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Speaker 1: All right, less than twenty minutes to go before your

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Speaker 1: pregame Giants Padres some day Baseball one ten first pitch,

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Speaker 1: And as we do every Wednesday, we talked to the

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Shay? How are we well?

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Speaker 3: Good morning from seventy two degrees in sunny, which is

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Speaker 3: every day in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, kidding, right.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Maria Guardado on Monday and she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's actually a little overcast. There's some cloud covers rolling

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Speaker 1: in and I was like, what are you talking about

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Speaker 1: right now? So that's about as gnarly as it gets

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Speaker 1: down there on the coast. But you had the video

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Speaker 1: that you put out on Twitter, and that was the

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Speaker 1: whole aftermath of Tony Vaitello in that first win. Just

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Speaker 1: tell us about the difference in clubhouse atmosphere with the

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Speaker 1: and then obviously everything thereafter with the struggles at the plate,

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Speaker 1: to all of a sudden little bit of lightening up

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Speaker 1: the load where Logan Web gets a win, Tony Viitzelo

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of boxes are now being checked that

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Speaker 1: were not in that Yankee series.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it helps when you're not playing the Yankees.

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Speaker 3: The first three games of the season, deep in the lineup,

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Speaker 3: recent years, and especially last night Marquez. They beat up

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Speaker 3: ingredient for Logan Web to kind of battle from what

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Speaker 3: ten in a row. And I remember about a year

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Speaker 3: he said, he said, you know, the great pictures like that,

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Speaker 3: and he referenced Lesenam Cane bub Garner is their ability

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Speaker 3: So it was really a treat to see Logan Web

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Speaker 3: basically turned around his old season because he came back

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Speaker 3: opening night against the Yankees, and he was heading that

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Speaker 3: He just said, you know what, we just saw the

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're right, it's kind of cool to see

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Logan Webb hasn't seen a John Shay work out.

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Speaker 4: If he's seen that, that would have been speared to

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Speaker 4: throwing a no hitter last night. So maybe John you

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Speaker 4: anything of notes in his scrum today?

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Speaker 3: Well, you look at this lineup and it's the same

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Speaker 3: every day. It's like the big Red Machine. Not that

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Speaker 3: they're a big Red machine, but what the Reds did

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Speaker 3: same exact line up every day. Maybe the order is

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Speaker 3: this lineup all six games, and how rare is that

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Speaker 3: and so you ask, hey, when's Susak going to get in?

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Speaker 3: When's and Carnacione going to get in? And Susack the

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Speaker 3: backup catcher hasn't gotten any reps. You figure today a

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Speaker 3: day game after that game would be the perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 3: But you know, housers on the mound. He wanted the

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Speaker 3: around so we could see Sussack, you know, tomorrow in

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure his family will be there be

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Speaker 3: for Gerrar. As we speak, he's taking grounders and working

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Speaker 3: and and Parnacion going through the famous wash drills, you know,

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Speaker 3: time after time after time, just keep drilling home these

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Speaker 3: he's ready for first base. Obviously he looked really good

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Speaker 3: Jerrar in this lineup sooner rather than later, only because

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Speaker 3: it's nice to get some of the regulars off the

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Speaker 3: the bench. You got to get him some reps talking to.

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Speaker 1: John Shay of the SF Standard here on the UMA

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Speaker 1: the Freedman's difference. So for Adrian Hauser, he's the one

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Speaker 1: part of the rotation we have not seen yet. And

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Speaker 1: obviously we saw some good performances last year, notably the

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Speaker 1: White Sox won. But Adrian Hauser in a Giant's uniform,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be something new.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, he didn't even get that.

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Speaker 1: Much in the Cactus League, right like Team USAX ambition

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Speaker 1: I thought Malli was pretty solid against the Yankees. What

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Speaker 3: Yeah, health number one, just like Tyler Mallley. They got

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Speaker 3: these two guys to round out the rotation. They didn't

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Speaker 3: go after the elite starters. They went after guys who

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Speaker 3: have been there and done that. But maybe coming off

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Speaker 3: for a comeback season. And so obviously if you were

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Speaker 3: of him. He had like twenty one I think last year,

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Speaker 3: Cosey and his staff liked these two guys because because

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Speaker 3: suddenly we have a bullpen that's better than anybody thought.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of the strength of the team, right.

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Speaker 3: Every one of those guys has come in and done well.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not Tyler Walker, but he got to say, nonetheless.

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Speaker 4: John, did you talk to Raffi Devers after the game,

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Speaker 4: Because when I saw the lineup today, I was wondering

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Speaker 3: No, but he left at that joke as he left

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he's a loner, but he's on record

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Speaker 3: saying I don't want to be a leader. I don't

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Speaker 3: or with the media. But he certainly, you know, knows

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Speaker 3: Damas said, man, this guy's fastering Elliott Ramos. First thing

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Speaker 3: But you're right, Bevers is like record time and said, well,

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Speaker 3: why don't you play him at first base? And you know,

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Speaker 3: as we all know, first base is you know, there's

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Speaker 3: you know, And that's the last thing they want. They

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Speaker 3: want Devers healthy for six months because they know Devers

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Speaker 3: actually played one hundred and sixty three games last year,

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Speaker 3: and they would like to see him do that again.

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Speaker 3: You know, even if it's one hundred and one hundred

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Speaker 3: think that'll be fine. Those jar A suddenly, at least

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Speaker 3: I don't know, he's kind of a work in progress

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Speaker 3: or two. Who knows, But I don't think they need

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Speaker 3: him to play first base every day to get where

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and talking about that, John, I didn't have Casey

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Speaker 4: before the season started. But when you watched Raffie run

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Speaker 3: In your opinion, Well, because you exercise different muscles when

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Speaker 3: you sprint from the place to first base versus when

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Speaker 3: you're playing third base or first base, when everything is

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Speaker 3: in a hurry. Everything's is instinctual, and you're going to

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Speaker 3: move to the ball without thinking about it, and you're

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Speaker 3: going to stretch that handy. Maybe not to the extent

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Speaker 3: of Pablo Sadoval doing the splits, but you know, the

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Speaker 3: hammy can stick with you for weeks, if not months,

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Speaker 3: during the season, and they don't. They just don't. They

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Speaker 3: just don't want to take that risk right now. So

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Speaker 3: it's one thing to run straight, but it's another thing

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Speaker 3: to zigzag it first base or make some fucking play,

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Speaker 3: or fall down on a bond or you know, go

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Speaker 3: go into file territory and fall into the net trying

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Speaker 3: to make a catch. You know, you know, these guys

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Speaker 3: are all out. They're not going to go half speed

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Speaker 3: because they feel a hamstring, and that's kind of why

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Speaker 3: let them go straight, but don't let them zigzag.

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Speaker 2: John, last one for you before we let you go.

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Speaker 1: And not to get ahead of myself because we do

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Speaker 1: have a game to deal with today before they come

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Speaker 1: back home, but the Giants probably are going to come

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Speaker 1: home to an eager fan base regardless of how this

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Speaker 1: goes today. And there was a lot of disappointment with

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Speaker 1: the showing over the weekend. Yes, the Yankees are very good,

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Speaker 1: but also not a lot of hits, a lot of

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Speaker 1: missed opportunities, and a lot of questions left. What do

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Speaker 1: you think the toughest test for them is going to

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Speaker 1: be as ballplayers? When they got to face the Mets

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Speaker 1: for four in the Phillies for three and seven straight

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Speaker 1: days coming home.

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Speaker 3: Well, it all starts with the pitching and whether the

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Speaker 3: bullpen can keep doing this, because you look at this

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Speaker 3: year's bullpen versus last year's or the year before going

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Speaker 3: into the season, and there's not a lot of proven

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Speaker 3: assets out there, and suddenly you got Keaton Win throwing

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Speaker 3: this crazy splitter and striking out the side in the

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Speaker 3: eighth innings, and who would have Pumpet I don't even

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Speaker 3: remember him in an eye leverage situation, let alone, you know,

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Speaker 3: in there to save Tony Botello's first game, you know,

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Speaker 3: handing the ball over to Walter in the ninth. So

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Speaker 3: I think these roles are there to be embraced and won.

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Speaker 3: And obviously they have other guys in the minors if

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Speaker 3: these guys aren't working out. But I think it starts

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Speaker 3: with the bultpen. I mean, it starts with the rotation.

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Speaker 3: But if these starters can go five innings and give

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Speaker 3: up two or three runs and the offense does what

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Speaker 3: it did last night to any extent, then suddenly there's

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Speaker 3: you know, there's actions. And Tony Botello pressed all the

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Speaker 3: right buttons yesterday with Webb and didn't hurry to pull

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Speaker 3: them in the third and let him go after ninety

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Speaker 3: two pitches and say, hey, go ahead and take the six.

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Speaker 3: And nobody's pitched one hundred and four made one hundred

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Speaker 3: and four pitches this year, you know, Logan Webb, I

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Speaker 3: think that's the only one. So it was kind of big.

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Speaker 3: And after the game, Web said he went up to

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Speaker 3: the manager and said thanks for trusting me man, And

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Speaker 3: I mean, how cool is that you win the trust

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Speaker 3: of your players, you win the clubhouse, and you win

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Speaker 3: games ultimately by doing what Vicello did last night with Webb.

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Speaker 2: John. Always good catching up with you. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We will read you in the SF Standard, and we

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Speaker 1: will also connect with you back home. And next Wednesday

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Speaker 1: it's going to be our first show out at the Patio,

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Speaker 1: so we'll catch you in person.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, I'll be out there. Thanks guys. John.

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Speaker 4: Make sure you don't zigzag today, all right.

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Speaker 3: You know what everybody's zigs is zag there.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks Jay, see you guys,