Speaker 1: Live from CAL Football Media Day at Memorial Stadium in Berkeley.
Speaker 1: This is Papa in Silver on the Sports Leaders.
Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, August fourth. We are here at California
Speaker 2: Memorial Stadium for Cal Football Media Day. One month from
Speaker 2: now in a day, it's going to be their opening
Speaker 2: kickoff against UCLA. And then a few days later we
Speaker 2: got opening kickoff down in the Southern Hemisphere on Netflix
Speaker 2: of all places. By the way, it'll be Niners Rams
Speaker 2: in Australia. Quite a bang to start off the season.
Speaker 2: Forty nine ers are off today after practice number six yesterday,
Speaker 2: and we had some more injuries that we noted to
Speaker 2: the wide receiver room. Mike Evans has a quad he
Speaker 2: did not practice. Dejon Shribbling continues to take it easy
Speaker 2: with that hamstring, and of course the big news over
Speaker 2: the weekend is that it became official after trending in
Speaker 2: that direction. Ricky Piersoll now done for the season. So
Speaker 2: with Deebo Samuel back, we're in number nineteen. All the
Speaker 2: more meaning this time to that reunion, Yeah, all.
Speaker 3: The more meaning. And we asked Derek Branch about it
Speaker 3: is Debo in the right position to be able to
Speaker 3: be you know, the most successful and sometimes you just
Speaker 3: have to throw that by the wayside. I mean, they
Speaker 3: just need them. They needed the body, They needed somebody
Speaker 3: that knows the system and can play the position. And
Speaker 3: so I mean we talked about the wide receiver room
Speaker 3: maybe being right up there in terms of talent going
Speaker 3: into training camp, if players were going to be healthy
Speaker 3: and the best version of themselves. I mean, have we
Speaker 3: reached have we reached shambles yet? I know we touched
Speaker 3: it and then maybe got away from it when they
Speaker 3: added Debo, But that's still when they at least had
Speaker 3: Mike Evans and Stribbling healthy. And it doesn't sound like
Speaker 3: either of these injuries are significant ones at this point.
Speaker 3: But and the forty nine ers are definitely gonna be
Speaker 3: careful considering that the history up and down the roster.
Speaker 3: But man, it's just the one saying that everybody's hoping
Speaker 3: is not the number one story has been the number
Speaker 3: one story, aside from the Kyle Shanahan accident there at
Speaker 3: the beginning of camp, it's been the injuries. Again.
Speaker 2: Well you can feel it too in the Bay Area
Speaker 2: when we're doing all these shows. People are rightfully really
Speaker 2: frustrated with the Giant season. People rightfully really disappointed by
Speaker 2: the Warriors offseason and lack of activity there. Everyone's just
Speaker 2: waiting for the forty nine ers. We're all excited for
Speaker 2: football to come back. We got to experience it being
Speaker 2: a training camp and it's like, Hey, I'd actually rather
Speaker 2: have August be a pretty dead month rather than having
Speaker 2: these headlines pop up. I'm not gonna go as far
Speaker 2: as shambles yet though it's August. I'm feeling that fall
Speaker 2: optimism before we really get into it. And because these injuries,
Speaker 2: particularly to Evans and Stribbling, don't seem to be anything
Speaker 2: consequential of significant cause and having them at risk for
Speaker 2: a week one or something, and for that reason, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna go there yet, but it is giving you
Speaker 2: a little bit of heak into that window right there.
Speaker 2: It's cracked open as to, oh, wait a minute, if
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk's out, Mike Evans could be out, Dajon Stribbling
Speaker 2: could be out. Hey, Deebo, any chance you could uh
Speaker 2: rewind the clock back to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna need you to be the number one
Speaker 3: wide receiver and Christian McCaffrey's backup because Kaylon Black was
Speaker 3: was banged up in addition to Jordan James and uh
Speaker 3: return kickoffs. So basically it's gonna be Deebo and McCaffrey
Speaker 3: as the wide receiver one and two and RB one
Speaker 3: and two just constantly interchanging roles and still trying to
Speaker 3: get George Kittle back and healthy into the mix. So
Speaker 3: can you, you know, can you debo? We know, we
Speaker 3: know you're in really good shape. Can you can you
Speaker 3: line up at tight end? Kidding? But I mean at
Speaker 3: this point it doesn't feel that that far off. So
Speaker 3: and you just look and it's it's all over the field,
Speaker 3: by the way, it's not just the wide receiver room
Speaker 3: in terms of of these injuries. It's you know, big
Speaker 3: big focus of training camp coming in is keeping Christian
Speaker 3: McCaffrey fresh and having the options to keep Christian McCaffrey fresh.
Speaker 3: And now you've got RB two and RB three both
Speaker 3: a little bit a little bit banged up. You look
Speaker 3: at you know, not having Kiddle obviously in the in
Speaker 3: the tight end room. I mean, Branch said, what seventeen
Speaker 3: defensive linemen on the ninety man roster and eight or healthy? Yep.
Speaker 3: At the end of the most recent practice it just
Speaker 3: I mean, it's everywhere and in a lot of ways
Speaker 3: the areas where the forty nine ers projected themselves to
Speaker 3: be the strongest, which is which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Now, if I am going to point to an area
Speaker 2: where people should be feeling more optimistic, it is August fourth.
Speaker 3: It's August fourth too.
Speaker 2: And it's also that a lot of the younger defensive
Speaker 2: players who we need to see a little bit more
Speaker 2: from in terms of stepping up their game good returns
Speaker 2: so far. And yes, to your point, it's August fourth.
Speaker 2: There's a ways to go. But JayR Brown, Diamere Lenoor,
Speaker 2: Ornardo Green Siegel have all had their moments and everyone
Speaker 2: seems to really feed off the energy that Raheem Morris
Speaker 2: is bringing in the building as the new DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and they will get their opportunities. And no,
Speaker 3: I would say in August fourth in terms of let's
Speaker 3: see how many of these guys are able to come
Speaker 3: back over the course of the next five weeks. In essence,
Speaker 3: there's still time. You don't need to be completely fretting
Speaker 3: about it. But I think everybody's got the PTSD from
Speaker 3: the year's past in terms of the injuries and just
Speaker 3: the impact that they've had. I mean, the thought coming
Speaker 3: into this year, again not to belabor it, Greg, was
Speaker 3: that the forty nine ers, like all that they had
Speaker 3: to deal with last year, well, it's got to be
Speaker 3: a better situation. And I think, I mean, to this
Speaker 3: point it probably still is a better situation because you
Speaker 3: haven't had the major ones other than the Ricky Piersoll
Speaker 3: injury to this point. But it just feels like, at
Speaker 3: what point are the forty nine ers going to have
Speaker 3: a little bit more injury luck, be a little bit
Speaker 3: on their side and you know, not have to have
Speaker 3: it be something. Look, all teams, all teams in some
Speaker 3: form of VASH have to overcome it, and all teams
Speaker 3: deal with it. And it's not just a forty nine
Speaker 3: or specific thing, but in the Bay, I mean, it
Speaker 3: is just compounded by the fact that a year in,
Speaker 3: year out, it just seems to be the number one
Speaker 3: issue right with this team is what could have been
Speaker 3: had so and so remained healthy. Well, there's two parts
Speaker 3: of it. Also.
Speaker 2: One is that we see that when injury luck is
Speaker 2: closer to the forty nine ers side than not, they
Speaker 2: generally have a really successful season. Right the two years
Speaker 2: that it was better than average, shall we say, and
Speaker 2: maybe you have a better way of were the two
Speaker 2: super Bowl years? Those are the two years they went
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl when they were in the on
Speaker 2: the high end of the spectrum in terms of fewer
Speaker 2: injuries or fewer season ending injuries, fewer injuries to keep players.
Speaker 2: The two years that stand out in the entire Shanahan
Speaker 2: era were nineteen and twenty three. That's not even including
Speaker 2: all the late runs in a road playoff wins that
Speaker 2: got them to NFC championships. Then the other part of
Speaker 2: that is the they also haven't been able to capture
Speaker 2: that Lombardi Trophy. And I know we went through the
Speaker 2: comparison of teams in this era, right it's really I'd
Speaker 2: say the forty nine ers, Buffalo and Baltimore as the
Speaker 2: teams that are tortured by being continuously competitive, feeling like
Speaker 2: they've got a lot of stars, not able to get
Speaker 2: past the Kansas City Chiefs in most cases as the
Speaker 2: team that brings them down. And you can look at
Speaker 2: the Eagles and the Rams as others. But they also got.
Speaker 3: Their one that they did and that's the part that
Speaker 3: if the Niners had gotten there one you'd take a
Speaker 3: deep breath, I think, and say, all right, as at
Speaker 3: least all of what has happened, there was some kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, the ultimate end game at the forefront of it,
Speaker 3: but they haven't been, which only compounds the pressure year in,
Speaker 3: year out that comes into wanting to have this be
Speaker 3: the year where we're not looking up in the middle
Speaker 3: of January or the early to middle part of February
Speaker 3: and saying what could have been. And that's where the
Speaker 3: draft picks part comes back in to it, too, right,
Speaker 3: because it also compounds the pressure for hitting on your
Speaker 3: big draft picks. And I understand that every team you
Speaker 3: can look through and say, here was a high pick
Speaker 3: that didn't pan out, or here was one that actually
Speaker 3: you got pretty good value on. But the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers have had crazy ends of the spectrum where they
Speaker 3: have found future Hall of famers in the fifth round,
Speaker 3: they have their franchise quarterback with the last pick of
Speaker 3: the draft, and generally speaking they've struggled on a lot
Speaker 3: of picks in the higher rounds Day one or at
Speaker 3: times day two. I know Fred was a Day two,
Speaker 3: So whatever point being is now you're looking at, hey,
Speaker 3: here's another first round pick. We hope to make a
Speaker 3: big leap this year in availability, turns out he's not
Speaker 3: going to be even playing a snap this year, and
Speaker 3: that's Ricky Piersoll. So at some point you just wonder
Speaker 3: how much it can all be held together. And if
Speaker 3: you can't have players like a Ricky Piersoll playing or
Speaker 3: a Mikel Williams to start the season, then who are
Speaker 3: the ones that are going to be those pleasant surprises
Speaker 3: picking up some of that slack. Well, the one thing
Speaker 3: I would say that that should still give forty nine
Speaker 3: er fans some optimism is the fact that they were
Speaker 3: able to navigate last season at the level that they did,
Speaker 3: and that had been something that they had not really
Speaker 3: been able to do in the Kyle Shanahan era and
Speaker 3: even most recently in twenty twenty four when that year
Speaker 3: got completely away from him. Twenty twenty obviously you throw
Speaker 3: that one out a lot of injuries, COVID all of
Speaker 3: that eighteen was completely wrecked by the Jimmy Garoppolo injury
Speaker 3: Week three at Kansas City at Arrowhead, and so you
Speaker 3: look at it and it really has been the number
Speaker 3: one story. But last year was really the first year
Speaker 3: that they overcame a ton, maybe more than any other year.
Speaker 3: They were able to overcome and still be in a
Speaker 3: position where they could win twelve games and win a
Speaker 3: playoff game and have an opportunity to even go to
Speaker 3: Seattle and have a shot at possibly knocking off the
Speaker 3: Seahawks or maybe beating them in Week eighteen and not
Speaker 3: having to go to Seattle had they been able to
Speaker 3: do that. So the fact that and this is where
Speaker 3: I think, and we talked to Branch about the return
Speaker 3: of Kyle Shanahan and starting to make his presence felt
Speaker 3: I think more and more by the day at this
Speaker 3: point at forty nine ers camp, he really is. He
Speaker 3: really is the ace in the hole in terms of
Speaker 3: the ability. Like you feel like if you've got Kyle
Speaker 3: Shanahan's leadership, and you've got his ability to call plays,
Speaker 3: and you've got the culture that he's fostered with with
Speaker 3: John Lynch, then you've got a shot to overcome a
Speaker 3: significant level of adversity. And so I think, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: there was the favorable schedule last year, to the extent
Speaker 3: that it won't be this year. All of those things
Speaker 3: are in play. The Niners, I think, were in large
Speaker 3: part off the radar last year, which I think for them,
Speaker 3: given how on the radar they had been, was refreshing
Speaker 3: and they benefited from that in some ways, I think
Speaker 3: similarly to maybe the way the Warriors benefited from it
Speaker 3: in the Warriors twenty one to twenty two championship run,
Speaker 3: Like nobody was talking about them as a contender, and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, they're eighteen and two and
Speaker 3: they're forty one and thirteen, and they're in the in
Speaker 3: a spot where they are a contender before anybody really notices.
Speaker 3: So you know, they're not going to necessarily have those
Speaker 3: things working for them this year the forty nine ers,
Speaker 3: But I think really the leadership of Kyle Shanahan and
Speaker 3: the offense, and you know, the energy of a Raheem Morris,
Speaker 3: I think they're counting on to hold it all together.
Speaker 2: Well, there's two names above all else that if they're available,
Speaker 2: then the forty nine ers always have a chance. That's
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey, as was displayed last year, and that's Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 2: who's also working his way back from the accident. So
Speaker 2: I want to play some sound coming back from John
Speaker 2: Middlecoff on the three and out podcast about just how
Speaker 2: valuable Kyle Shanahan is to this organization. He compares him
Speaker 2: to the likes of an NBA star. Let's unpack that,
Speaker 2: and then Susan Slusser at eleven fifty Pop and Silver
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Speaker 2: Yeah, clearly it must be Tim running the board. That's
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Speaker 2: are out here in Berkeley, cal Football Media Day. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk to Tash Lupoi and Sharon Kiave Sagapola Tela
Speaker 2: coming up in about an hour or two, an hour
Speaker 2: and a half, So stay tuned for that twelve thirty
Speaker 2: to one fifteen window. Really looking forward to an exciting
Speaker 2: young team up and coming, potentially uh proud members of
Speaker 2: the ACC in today's world of college football. I almost
Speaker 2: asked Christian McCaffrey about the demise of the PAC twelve
Speaker 2: and then I was like, h he's got other things
Speaker 2: to worry about.
Speaker 3: You gotta tell me though, And like is this right?
Speaker 3: Like that people picking him? I mean, what a what
Speaker 3: a prognosticators know. But but people are picking Cow to
Speaker 3: be twelve. Yeah, I don't buy it. I don't buy twelve.
Speaker 2: I think, like we can be looking at seven maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe higher.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the schedule early on,
Speaker 2: they got a chance to get off to a very
Speaker 2: hot start. They're not Miami or SMU. Not saying that,
Speaker 2: but no, but I didn't really twelve. I was surprised
Speaker 2: to see that in doing my prep, like I was.
Speaker 3: I know, it's you know, first, your coach and a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of young players that are that
Speaker 3: are coming in the recruiting all of that. Like you
Speaker 3: you you feel better. I guess about maybe the what
Speaker 3: the twenty seven or twenty eight cal team, then maybe
Speaker 3: you do about the twenty sixteen. But twelve, come.
Speaker 2: On, twelve transfer portals looking goods, receivers can tight ends.
Speaker 3: You can flip it in an instant. You can flip
Speaker 3: it in an instant.
Speaker 2: So h No, I don't buy number twelve, which was
Speaker 2: not Aaron Rodgers Cow number by the way, because that
Speaker 2: was retired.
Speaker 3: Although off, although I will say, I mean, did you
Speaker 3: see who was seventeen? Yeah? I did.
Speaker 2: I actually most of the rank. I saw it was
Speaker 2: Boston College the bottom. Don't tell, We'll tell John Lynch.
Speaker 3: Don't tell Todd Husa or Christian McCaffrey or Todd who's sick.
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Speaker 2: Middlecoff about Kyle Shanahan being an NBA star equivalent to
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers organization.
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say on the Three and
Speaker 3: Out podcast.
Speaker 4: It's interesting with the forty nine ers is that Kyle
Speaker 4: is so respected that it sort of bulldozes any mistakes
Speaker 4: or missteps in his life.
Speaker 3: You're very close to the Niners.
Speaker 5: What are you forecast?
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan, is the most important guy in the organization.
Speaker 4: They went to Philly last year a playoff game without
Speaker 4: George Kittle, without Fred Warren, with down Nick Bosa. If
Speaker 4: they got Kyle Shanahan, they're gonna be okay. I think
Speaker 4: actually parallel might be a little Sean Payton and his dad.
Speaker 4: They are tough. Kyle to me, is the equivalent of
Speaker 4: like an NBA star. He's that important, like if you got.
Speaker 3: Jokic, your floor is still pretty high, or Lebron in
Speaker 3: his prime or Curry. That's what Kyle is. It's pretty rare.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really exist in the NFL.
Speaker 4: I think if they just had a notch below him,
Speaker 4: it could have unraveled multiple times.
Speaker 2: I agree with what middle Koff is saying that you
Speaker 2: don't really talk about that in the NFL. When it
Speaker 2: comes to a coach, usually it's a quarterback, it's a
Speaker 2: key defensive player on the edge. Head coach, and I
Speaker 2: know hasn't won at the Super Bowl. You could gripe
Speaker 2: about maybe some mismanagement late in games and fourth quarters.
Speaker 2: I understand all of that, but I'm also talking about
Speaker 2: the course of an entirety of a season and always
Speaker 2: giving you a chance Christian McCaffrey Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3: To me, those are the two names. Those are the
Speaker 3: two names and have been able to in many ways
Speaker 3: hold this thing up in times where there's been some
Speaker 3: pretty adverse circumstances. I think the defense as well. I mean,
Speaker 3: the truly dominant defense that they had going back to
Speaker 3: twenty nine. I'm sorry, going back to twenty I'm going
Speaker 3: back to nineteen and twenty and twenty one. You know,
Speaker 3: the defense was on a different level twenty two. I
Speaker 3: think it started to fray really in twenty three and
Speaker 3: they didn't quite have enough maybe to get over the hump.
Speaker 3: Needed a little bit more offense in that twenty three
Speaker 3: season to offset the fact that the defense was was
Speaker 3: kind of falling apart on him in twenty three and
Speaker 3: then really did in twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's never just one individual. You could also
Speaker 2: point to Eddie Pinero helping save special teams last year,
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Robert sla of course, but Kyle Shanahan being
Speaker 2: the guy that's always going to give you a chance,
Speaker 2: and last year to me really proved it. Not because
Speaker 2: of the amount of games they won, but you could
Speaker 2: look there at the end of the team and say
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers were a very good football team
Speaker 2: even with all of what they lost. You know how
Speaker 2: we know that because they do what good football teams do,
Speaker 2: which is beat up on bad teams, which they had
Speaker 2: a lot of on their scale. And then they also
Speaker 2: won a playoff game on the road. That's not counting
Speaker 2: for nothing. It wasn't just some odd juxtaposition of yeah, well,
Speaker 2: Seattle dominated them twice at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and they never really looked comparable. It's a better competition,
Speaker 2: but they also beat up on the bad teams too.
Speaker 2: They have been, I mean, really Seattle the Seattle game,
Speaker 2: and they were they were clearly, as we talked to
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, just just out of gas right when it
Speaker 2: came to everything they put into the Philly game and
Speaker 2: the injuries and the run that they had to get
Speaker 2: on to get to that point where they were just
Speaker 2: going to be going to Philly and and missing out
Speaker 2: on the division championship in the final week of the
Speaker 2: season and all of that. They just ran out of
Speaker 2: gas against a team that was at that point in
Speaker 2: Seattle still ascending to what they ultimately had had become.
Speaker 2: But I think, I mean it truly. I mean you
Speaker 2: look at that that team. You know, Trent acknowledged the
Speaker 2: fact that they've won. They've won multiple playoff games every
Speaker 2: year up until this year, they've won multiple road playoff
Speaker 2: games like there has never been an instance and this
Speaker 2: is why I brought up Seattle. There's never been an
Speaker 2: instance when you throw that game, when if you take
Speaker 2: that one game out where the forty nine ers have
Speaker 2: been just completely unprepared in a playoff game, like there
Speaker 2: have been games that they haven't played well, even the
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Right the Super Bowls, they were they were
Speaker 2: prepared to play at the beginning of the game and
Speaker 2: in both of those games to the point where they
Speaker 2: were able to have leads in both of those games.
Speaker 2: And again that doesn't always mean you're going to be ahead.
Speaker 2: We've seen them have to come back and be able
Speaker 2: to do it against Green Bay and the Lions in
Speaker 2: the in the twenty three season. But they they are
Speaker 2: always prepared to the point where you feel like they've
Speaker 2: they've got a shot to win every single big game.
Speaker 2: I really, I mean you can count. I mean how
Speaker 2: many games like Seattle have there even been in big
Speaker 2: spots in years where in years where it hasn't just
Speaker 2: been hey, this isn't a good football team twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Getting into the post. I mean, I mean that's the one.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the only one, real one. Even the
Speaker 3: bigger regular season games that have set up. GEM mean,
Speaker 3: you go to Seattle and you win in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: You've wanted Seattle a bunch over the year, just like
Speaker 3: you look at some of the games on the road
Speaker 3: against the Rams, like they're they're always prepared and held
Speaker 3: together even in the even in the biggest games. Well,
Speaker 3: remember last.
Speaker 2: Year in August when we were going through the different
Speaker 2: joint practices of preseason, and some of that was with
Speaker 2: the Chargers at the end, so we got into the
Speaker 2: conversation about Harbov versus Shanahan and the legacy as a
Speaker 2: head coach of the forty nine ers. Wildly different styles
Speaker 2: and personalities, but when you looked at the resume, it
Speaker 2: was awfully similar in terms of the heights they reached,
Speaker 2: coming so close, neither one able to quite capture the
Speaker 2: six Lombardy, some championship game heartbreaks as well. Generally very
Speaker 2: physical and competitive teams. And I remember saying at the
Speaker 2: time last year like, if Shanahan could get this team
Speaker 2: back into the playoffs and have another shot at being
Speaker 2: in that bubble, then that clears the winner for me.
Speaker 2: And then to do it in the fashion he did
Speaker 2: with losing Fred Warner, Nick Bosa, guys along the way,
Speaker 2: I think it's no question that he's definitely the best
Speaker 2: coach they've had since all the way to George Seaffert.
Speaker 3: I mean, just look at the length of time. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just I mean, nobody's been able to be successful
Speaker 3: and mad I mean Harbaugh. I mean you think about
Speaker 3: it in terms of I mean, this is Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 3: tenth season. As you said, I mean, Harbaugh lasted four
Speaker 3: and it was really cooked after three when it was
Speaker 3: all said and done, so different circumstances. The forty nine
Speaker 3: ers win Harbaugh took over, were ready to be good.
Speaker 3: They just needed to be more disciplined, better organized, figure
Speaker 3: out the quarterback like all those kinds of things. So
Speaker 3: they were much more a win now or be competitive
Speaker 3: now team than what Kyle Shanahan inherited going back to
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, when I think he had the worst roster
Speaker 3: in the NFL and they were still trying to purge,
Speaker 3: and they were still trying to add their guys. So
Speaker 3: there was gonna be a two year you deconstruct to reconstruct.
Speaker 2: And that's credit to at York for finally showing patience
Speaker 2: after two consecutive one and done.
Speaker 3: But that were the wrong higher But I mean he's
Speaker 3: I mean, you said it. I mean even even George
Speaker 3: Seaffert was. I mean, Kyle Shannan's been around longer than him.
Speaker 3: Now to this point, I mean, you gotta go back.
Speaker 3: You go back to Bill Walsh at this point in
Speaker 3: terms of length of time and impact, no question.
Speaker 2: So we'll get more into the Niners maybe in the
Speaker 2: one o'clock hour. We got Susan Slusser coming up. Then
Speaker 2: we got some Cal football guests for you, and we
Speaker 2: can take this any direction we want because we're here
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Speaker 2: pack of starts, most scoreless starts of six plus innings
Speaker 2: for the Giants over the last six fifty years. Pardon me,
Speaker 2: logan Web last night passed both Jason Schmidt and Barry
Speaker 2: Zito by getting to number twenty three, the only three
Speaker 2: above him. Tim, Let's go in with forty mad bum
Speaker 2: thirty six, Matt Caine thirty four. So the Giants held
Speaker 2: onto their ace and trying to keep good company for
Speaker 2: franchise records.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's company. I mean I joke from time
Speaker 3: to time that that Web gets kind of thrown in
Speaker 3: with the Big three from the Championship era because of
Speaker 3: his makeup, right, and he he pitches like somebody that
Speaker 3: would have fit very easily on those those Championship core teams.
Speaker 3: And I sort of say it jokingly, but you look
Speaker 3: at at the the numbers that he's put up, and
Speaker 3: I mean he's he really has been terrific. I think
Speaker 3: because the team has not won as much during his tenure,
Speaker 3: it gets lost a little bit. But even in a
Speaker 3: year where you know, he struggled mightily at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the year and you know into March April, ended
Speaker 3: up on the injured list, in May, was terrific, in June,
Speaker 3: had a disappointing July. Like this has not been a
Speaker 3: great Logan Web year by any stretch.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, really it all happened in one month.
Speaker 2: But I feel like he's had three different seasons within
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he was, like I said, he was
Speaker 3: bad till he was injured and by his own standard
Speaker 3: and admission, and then had the Great June ended up
Speaker 3: being an All Star, which I thought was stunning, Like
Speaker 3: that was that was big time like reputation, reputation, you know,
Speaker 3: with the fact that it was I think at the
Speaker 3: forefront that he had pitched so well in June and
Speaker 3: then it was really bad in July. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: but you look up at the overall numbers and it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: Logan Webs had a pretty good year. He's had a
Speaker 3: pretty good year, which which tells you how good the
Speaker 3: Great has actually been for those those stretches like June,
Speaker 3: and we'll see. I think primed. I think Logan Web
Speaker 3: to have a big time August and September finish here.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we talked about local Bay area media
Speaker 2: throwing the word rebuild out there and saying, I know
Speaker 2: the Giants don't ever want to sell that, but that's
Speaker 2: effectively what the trade deadline is. You and I broke
Speaker 2: that down. I wouldn't go that far as calling it
Speaker 2: a rebuild, but it wasn't aggressive retool and more so leaning.
Speaker 3: Into the Bryce Eldridge timeline. That's something we talked about yeah,
Speaker 3: although again I mean, it's funny you've said that, and
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily disagree with it about the Bryce Eldridge timeline.
Speaker 3: But then I start thinking, you know, you know, six
Speaker 3: years before free agency might turn into five, and this
Speaker 3: is going to be one, and maybe twenty seven is two,
Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden, you're you know, twenty eight,
Speaker 3: twenty nine to thirty, are the rules going to change?
Speaker 3: Like all of a sudden, it is still the Eldridge timeline,
Speaker 3: by shoot you for sure. But I started to sort
Speaker 3: of have those thoughts about how the landscape of Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball and the Collective Barting Agreement could potentially change
Speaker 3: and maybe alter those timelines, even with a star player
Speaker 3: that's still a rookie and trying to figure himself out.
Speaker 3: So I wonder, again, that doesn't mean it's necessarily going
Speaker 3: to change it to the negative, to where you're not
Speaker 3: necessarily going to be able to keep somebody. Maybe you
Speaker 3: are going to be more up to keep those guys
Speaker 3: longer term. But that timeline goes fast, even though it's
Speaker 3: just starting out, is the main point.
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I wanted to read, and it was
Speaker 2: a snippet from Ankillian's article. She said, it's hard to
Speaker 2: sell seventy five dollars tickets, twenty two dollars beers, and
Speaker 2: twenty eight dollar crab sandwiches for the privilege of watching
Speaker 2: kids learn on the job and get bullied by the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: But that's what's happening this year with a veteran team.
Speaker 2: The Giants utter ineptitude forced them to change their long
Speaker 2: standing philosophy. Now harsh last line, but also fair and accurate.
Speaker 2: My I guess my point is I'm glad that Buster
Speaker 2: Posey was not living in some kind of alternate reality.
Speaker 2: He was very upfront about what the team was where
Speaker 2: it's like, yes, it's hard to sell we're gonna be
Speaker 2: a team that's gonna be in the dumps for a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: But guess what.
Speaker 2: You also tried to sell everyone on a team that
Speaker 2: was gonna win and compete this year and you got
Speaker 2: bullied by the Diamondbacks. Anyway, here's the way I would
Speaker 2: put it as it relates to next year, because we're
Speaker 2: talking about oh, the you know, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, and
Speaker 2: again I think if you want to say rebuild, it's
Speaker 2: fair given the sheer raw number of prospects that they
Speaker 2: not only have in this year, but have already drafted
Speaker 2: here a month ago and brought in yesterday right or
Speaker 2: over the last two days. But here's where I think
Speaker 2: I stop short of rebuild. I'm looking at next year,
Speaker 2: like I just thinking out loud. Next year, Jung who
Speaker 2: Lee's on the team and starting, Willie Adamas is starting,
Speaker 2: Devers is starting. Like none of those guys scream rebuild.
Speaker 2: I will bet you that.
Speaker 3: There is a left fielder or a center fielder that
Speaker 3: is not currently on the roster that's a veteran that's
Speaker 3: a starter at least one of those two spots. Yeah,
Speaker 3: next year, So you go around the horn. You know, catcher,
Speaker 3: maybe they're young, but how much do you want to
Speaker 3: bet that the Giants in the offseason, after they look
Speaker 3: at all three of their young catchers here go, you
Speaker 3: know what, we need a veteran catching presence at some point.
Speaker 3: So and then even Logan Logan web still at the
Speaker 3: front of the rotation. Guess what, Adrian Houser's probably got
Speaker 3: a rotation spot at least.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of next year. And even he's a veteran,
Speaker 2: they might open for him. But he's going to take
Speaker 2: a lot of anything. He's a veteran. They're gonna, I think,
Speaker 2: probably look to sign multiple starting pitchers again that can
Speaker 2: help to fill out the rotation while they're waiting for
Speaker 2: the young guys to come up through the minor league system.
Speaker 2: So I think, and that's not even talking about the
Speaker 2: bullpen that needs to be completely redone. And I think you're,
Speaker 2: you know, in an eight man bullpen you're probably gonna have.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would guess it's probably gonna be five
Speaker 2: veterans and three young guys, maybe even six veterans and
Speaker 2: two young guys based on the way things currently look.
Speaker 2: So I say all that to say, when we get
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty seven and it's opening day, whenever that
Speaker 2: opening day is, I'm gonna bet you that the giants
Speaker 2: twenty six man roster looks a lot more veteran than
Speaker 2: it does that of a rebuilding team. But I guess
Speaker 2: my question would be, depending on who those vetsterans are
Speaker 2: that could come in, to what degree are they getting
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 3: Those starting reps? I think, well, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: I mean, so, like you know, you said veteran catcher,
Speaker 2: But is Daniel Sue's gonna be the opening day guy.
Speaker 3: By the veteran catcher is probably a backup. But but
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is you're gonna and Eldridge obviously is
Speaker 3: a young a young, but you're still gonna You're gonna
Speaker 3: be I think, veteran at second, veteran at short, veteran
Speaker 3: at third. I think you're gonna be probably veteran at
Speaker 3: the two open outfield spots at least one of them.
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna sign two pitching veterans in your rotator.
Speaker 3: Like it's this is gonna be a veteran laden team
Speaker 3: next year, Like they're gonna filter through the young guys
Speaker 3: that are keepers, but they're not gonna have a team
Speaker 3: that looks as young as this team is gonna look
Speaker 3: between now and the end of the regular season.
Speaker 2: And because of what they expect from the end of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven or maybe twenty twenty eight, with some
Speaker 2: of the prospects that they are developing and or just
Speaker 2: traded for, do you think that it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot more one year type of contracts and short term
Speaker 2: offseason stuff once this lockout stuff could settled.
Speaker 3: I think they'd probably prefer it to be shorter term deals.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I don't know that they
Speaker 3: necessarily have the front office that that's proven to go
Speaker 3: get the guys on the on the shorter term deals
Speaker 3: like that was like you look at the short term
Speaker 3: deals that this regime's done, Howser Malley, short term deals
Speaker 3: that the prior regime did, Gosman Rodn like that, like
Speaker 3: those are those are Blake Snell as well, although that
Speaker 3: that one didn't work out and they probably should have
Speaker 3: moved on from them. So I think they'd like it
Speaker 3: to be. But are they going to be adept in
Speaker 3: finding those guys. I think it's going to be a big,
Speaker 3: big question because a lot of the appeal for the
Speaker 3: pitchers to come to the giants, the guys that were
Speaker 3: higher end but took those those deals with opt outs
Speaker 3: in short term was the fact that they really believed
Speaker 3: in the analytically driven pitching philosophy that was in play
Speaker 3: at that point in time. That doesn't necessarily exist now.
Speaker 3: So I think it's a nuanced conversation. But I think
Speaker 3: to your point that the giants would prefer that it's
Speaker 3: it's younger, I mean, shorter term deals.
Speaker 2: You're listening to K and B R and K ANDBR FM,
Speaker 2: San Francisco, the Sports Leader, a Cumulus Media station. As
Speaker 2: we hit the midpoint of our show, waiting on making
Speaker 2: the connection with Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Speaker 2: And while we wait to see if we're able to
Speaker 2: connect with her, let's hear from Buster Posey from his
Speaker 2: zoom yesterday, just on his message to fans as to
Speaker 2: what he's going to try to sell now that this
Speaker 2: deadline is coming gone.
Speaker 5: I guess the messages. We're not satisfied with the way
Speaker 5: that we've played this year, in the last few years,
Speaker 5: and we're trying everything we can to to continue to
Speaker 5: build a product that we can all be, you know,
Speaker 5: excited to come and watch. And that was really the goal.
Speaker 5: And this is can we even if we have to
Speaker 5: subtract a little bit now, can we potentially add some
Speaker 5: players that we think our fans are going to be
Speaker 5: excited about and hopefully wear a Giant's uniform for a
Speaker 5: long time.
Speaker 2: So pretty generic message there from Buster, But I would
Speaker 2: always go back to, well, the actions speak louder than
Speaker 2: the words, and that's why I brought up the whole
Speaker 2: timeline part of it of, yes, you understand the players
Speaker 2: you're still stuck with. I kind of alluded to the
Speaker 2: fact that, based on the players that Buster shipped off,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess that they were pretty open to moving
Speaker 2: on from maybe Devers, but certainly Chapman and a Damas
Speaker 2: Chapman got injured, Adamis probably didn't have any takers in that,
Speaker 2: so that wasn't going to stop him from still looking
Speaker 2: ahead to the future. As to look, what I tried
Speaker 2: in year one and two did not work as plan A.
Speaker 2: Now Buster Posey has a shot though through the draft,
Speaker 2: through the additions to the farm system, and yes, farm system,
Speaker 2: it's all a conceptual ranking. So even if they're a
Speaker 2: top ten or top five farm system and the next
Speaker 2: time they go through everything, that's still all conceptual. But
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I haven't felt the Giants farm sat have this much
Speaker 2: potential since probably back in the late two thousands. And
Speaker 2: that's not to say it's going to lead to three
Speaker 2: World series. But if Buster Posey, maybe his legacy as
Speaker 2: PBO is ultimately the guy that can lead them through
Speaker 2: that next wave of development. I think they were open
Speaker 2: on as Buster said, like, I think they would have
Speaker 2: traded anybody had there been the right deal.
Speaker 3: Maybe with the exception of Logan Web. I think that's
Speaker 3: the one, And eventually I guess it got to the
Speaker 3: point with Jung Hulee, but I think they probably listened
Speaker 3: on Jung Hulee just to see what was out there. Hell,
Speaker 3: I think they listened on logan Web even though they
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily. I'm sure teams called them about logan Web
Speaker 3: and you know, I know, I think it was Andy
Speaker 3: Baggerley was on with the Morning Guys, and you know,
Speaker 3: logan Web would have netted more than the schoobl trade,
Speaker 3: like when you look at what the Tigers are able
Speaker 3: to get for Schoobl. Again, I'm not going down the
Speaker 3: road of should I promise today is going to be
Speaker 3: the last day of this because he's on the team
Speaker 3: and you can't make a move. And maybe we revisited
Speaker 3: in the offseason. But I'm sure teams called and the
Speaker 3: Giants listened, but they just didn't have the appetite to
Speaker 3: be able to do it. But I think if if
Speaker 3: somebody really wanted to do a deal realistically for any
Speaker 3: of the big contract guys, I think the Giants would
Speaker 3: have would have been ready to do it.
Speaker 2: I think we got the text of the day from
Speaker 2: six to six nine, says Susan. Slusser is another one
Speaker 2: like John Lynch, Todd Hughes, sat Christian McCaffrey that you
Speaker 2: talk with or refrain from talking about the demise of
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3: I think I know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Susan might have gotten wind of our location and then
Speaker 2: boycott the hit, which honestly.
Speaker 3: I think i'd respect. Yeah, she heard me ask who's
Speaker 3: seventeenth in the in the preseason ACC College Football Poll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she She's like, oh god, they're gonna hear bash Stanford.
Speaker 2: We got this background right now.
Speaker 3: I didn't say I didn't mention anybody by name.
Speaker 2: Oh let me tell you some of these former PAC
Speaker 2: twelve and now ACC fans. I'll include people in this
Speaker 2: building too. Everyone gets sensitive, all right. People get protective
Speaker 2: over their schools, and as the Beach Boys once said,
Speaker 2: beat true to your school once again.
Speaker 3: I respect it. Eh, Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stand down on business there well. Susan also
Speaker 2: probably exhausted from a lot of the chaos that she
Speaker 2: was dealing with in real time. You know, I shared
Speaker 2: the note yesterday that from John Shay, Elliot Ramos has
Speaker 2: a locker here, and then Evan Weebeck put out there
Speaker 2: that everyone was smiling at Elliott Ramos and he's like,
Speaker 2: why are you so happy? And they're like, you're still here,
Speaker 2: and he just points to his wrist and goes, there's
Speaker 2: still time. There was, in fact still tell and apparently
Speaker 2: they needed a whole new locker room for all the
Speaker 2: extra guys that were kind of waiting to see if
Speaker 2: they were going to be on the roster come come,
Speaker 2: post trade deadline, a lot of guys on the taxi scoring.
Speaker 2: Although the Giants I believe played with twenty five last night,
Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't quite have the ability to get
Speaker 2: everybody up and activated it on the scene there in Arlington,
Speaker 2: So they played a man short, but it didn't matter
Speaker 2: because Logan Webb and Junghu Lee carried the freight. How
Speaker 2: much of these final what forty nine games now now
Speaker 2: are you going to be watching for in terms of
Speaker 2: Tony Vitello and management as a whole, Because yes, I
Speaker 2: understand that the roster got worse for the rest of
Speaker 2: the season. Then you would also hear people say, well,
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, isn't this what he theoretically would have
Speaker 2: been hired for, as we brought up many times, a
Speaker 2: team that's more apt to be in kind of a
Speaker 2: rebuilt stage. And you know Andy Baggerly also you talked
Speaker 2: about him on the Hit with the Morning Show. He
Speaker 2: wrote in depth about how he felt like this managing
Speaker 2: staff between Vitello and the pitching coaches, have not done
Speaker 2: a great job managing the bullpen, and even just cited
Speaker 2: the example of how come when you're winning sixteen three,
Speaker 2: you're putting Keaton went out there in the ninth when
Speaker 2: overuse was an issue that caused him to go to
Speaker 2: the IL in the first place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a lot of things, and I don't
Speaker 3: think in the last forty nine games that Tony Vitello
Speaker 3: has much to gain, to be perfectly honest, like, I
Speaker 3: don't think there's anything that really can happen between now
Speaker 3: and the end of the year, barring some kind of
Speaker 3: weird miracle turnaround right where there's going to be anything
Speaker 3: to tangibly look at and be like, oh, he's he's
Speaker 3: doing this well compared to where it was earlier in
Speaker 3: the season. I think you and I might battle on
Speaker 3: that a little bit at times when we talk about
Speaker 3: the Giants, But but for me, it's it just they're
Speaker 3: just there. Aren't going to be things now that are
Speaker 3: going to stand out unless they just start winning at
Speaker 3: a really high level. And now we may and I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you, but I think people may want to
Speaker 3: do the thing where it's where it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you know, he had a younger team to manage, and
Speaker 3: if they somehow have a better record over the last
Speaker 3: forty nine games, better winning percentage than they have over
Speaker 3: the first one hundred and ten, then maybe that will
Speaker 3: we'll have some sort of attached meaning to it. I'm
Speaker 3: not really going to do that. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: a lot that he can lose on the day to
Speaker 3: day management portion either. To me, it's all about how
Speaker 3: does the clubhouse and the veterans that are still going
Speaker 3: to be in the clubhouse next year that we talked about,
Speaker 3: how do they feel about the way this season has
Speaker 3: gone and the way the job that Tony's done and
Speaker 3: the coaching staff that they put together, and what are
Speaker 3: the stories that come out, are their stories that come
Speaker 3: out toward the end of the year about what a
Speaker 3: bleep show. Maybe it actually was that we don't know
Speaker 3: to be true at this stage. To me, it's all
Speaker 3: about that, and I don't think there's anything that he
Speaker 3: can do that's where you're gonna say, oh, Wow, he
Speaker 3: was awesome at this or that, or he was terrible
Speaker 3: at this or that to a greater extent, I'm still
Speaker 3: looking for and I don't think we're going to get
Speaker 3: the answer this year. Greg. I'm still looking for the
Speaker 3: one thing that he's brought to the table that's made
Speaker 3: a meaningful difference in a positive way. I don't think,
Speaker 3: like I said, there's been a lot of dramatic negatives.
Speaker 3: There have been some tactical issues that have been discussed
Speaker 3: to where maybe he wasn't in the best position to succeed,
Speaker 3: but equally has not handled them well. First year manager
Speaker 3: type stuff that doesn't jive with trying to be a
Speaker 3: team that's contending for a playoff spot, and it's a
Speaker 3: big part of the reason why they haven't in addition
Speaker 3: to the way this roster was built. So I don't
Speaker 3: know that that's kind of long winded way of where
Speaker 3: I am with it. I don't think there's much to gain,
Speaker 3: but equally not tactically as much to lose, but some
Speaker 3: of that ancillary stuff that maybe is built up through
Speaker 3: the through the season could be where it could lose out.
Speaker 2: No, that's interesting because I've kind of written down very
Speaker 2: limited stock in the final forty nine games. If these
Speaker 2: young guys have great stretches or Junghu Lee continues to
Speaker 2: hit really well, okay, it's not going to lead to
Speaker 2: a playoff appearance unless they went out right something absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not focused too much on Hey, they
Speaker 2: played so well for a stretcher, maybe they're gonna sweep
Speaker 2: a It's not any about that, I guess for me,
Speaker 2: it was more in the thought of is there a
Speaker 2: lot more to lose where there could be discussions of hey,
Speaker 2: maybe this is not gonna be a relationship that goes
Speaker 2: beyond one year. And I don't believe they're going to
Speaker 2: fire him. I've never been in that camp. But with Vitello,
Speaker 2: the narrative all along this season has been, well, he's
Speaker 2: been dealt a really bad hand and it's hard to
Speaker 2: manage a bullpen when you don't really have a bullpen,
Speaker 2: and I think that's all completely fair. But looking at
Speaker 2: the final stretch, here. I don't want to just go
Speaker 2: into every single game, every single series and say, well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter, like there's nothing for him to
Speaker 2: learn in the final stretch, Like yeah, there's not much
Speaker 2: the game, but also there's nothing to lose. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he needs to find that one thing
Speaker 2: to bring to the table where you say this is
Speaker 2: the guy. I also don't think that he gets a
Speaker 2: free pass, nor any of the staff on the home
Speaker 2: stretch just because the roster got worse. There are things
Speaker 2: that I'm sure he will learn and has learned over
Speaker 2: the course of the season and will continue to I
Speaker 2: just don't know that those things are gonna be tangible.
Speaker 2: I don't know that those things are going to be noticeable,
Speaker 2: you know, as to you can point to it. I
Speaker 2: think again, some may look at certain performances and attach
Speaker 2: him to that between now and the end of the year,
Speaker 2: especially if it differs from maybe the way that they
Speaker 2: were functioning in the first four months of the year.
Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily think that that would be an
Speaker 2: accurate representation either way. All right, Well, maybe we'll catch
Speaker 2: up with Susan Slusser a bit later on in the show.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, Maybe she's doing the rightful boycott here as
Speaker 2: we are in Berkeley at California Memorial Stadium. And again,
Speaker 2: if that's the case from a Stanford alum, I kind
Speaker 2: of respect it. Who doesn't love a good rivalry out
Speaker 2: here in the Bay. We will continue some of these
Speaker 2: topics and then coming up at twelve thirty, Tash Lupoy
Speaker 2: is going to join the show, So start getting those
Speaker 2: ACC rankings back, those preseason rankings, and we can start
Speaker 2: warming up some of those topics a month and a
Speaker 2: day away from kickoff right here in this building, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be the old school Pac twelve after
Speaker 2: dark because the UCLA Bruins are coming into town. It's
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