WEBVTT - Steve Hilton reacts to last night's debate 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.200 And we continue at one five in the afternoon on 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.760 the John Phillips Show, mister Randy Wlggs in Culver City. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.600 Well, John, we have a new poll out in the 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.360 governor's race. Now this is an internal Besserah pole, so 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.560 take that for what it's worth. But this poll shows 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:20.400 that Javier Bacheriea is tied for first place with Steve 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.160 Hilton at nineteen percent, followed by Bianco and Styre tied 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.360 at fourteen percent, Porter at eight may And at seven, 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:34.560 Viragos at two, and Tony Thurmond at one percent. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.279 Scrub it. What do you know? 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.239 A Bserah pole shows Besara doing well. Now here's the 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.040 thing that's funny. They also, again, take this poll for 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.480 what it's worth, they looked at favorability ratings among all 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.440 the other candidates, and John, can you guess which candidate 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.240 among all of them has the highest unfavorable rating? Now, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.000 this is Democrat and Republican. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.480 Now, in a deep blue state like California, in theory, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:08.720 it should be both Republicans. However, because Katie Porter slammed 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.760 dunked a plate full of mashed potatoes on Dad's head 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.560 and Tom Steyer is in our face every time the 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.960 game goes to a commercial, my guest would be those 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:19.960 two are at the top. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:21.959 Of the list Winter Winter Chicken Dinner. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.680 Katie Porter has the highest unfavorable rating, followed closely by 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.360 Tom Steyer, and then a few below that is Chad Bianco. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.319 But yes, the top two vote getters when it comes 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.800 to people that they don't like is Katie Porter and 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:36.679 Tom Steyer. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.640 I'm pulling in to the bakery. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.679 Now, did they pull likely California voters or did they 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:51.560 pull former Katie Porter students. Eight hundred two two two 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.320 five two two two is a telephone number one eight 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.440 hundred two two two five two two two. It is 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.680 our pleasure to welcome our next guest to the program. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.400 He is a Republican candidate for governor, former host on 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:06.120 the Fox News Channel. You can follow him on exit 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.680 Steve Hilton X. Steve Hilton, welcome. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.160 Well, it's great to be with you, John, especially now 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.400 you clearly have your finger on the pulse. You accurately 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.480 predicted the two most unpopular in the state Porter and Steyer. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.200 Who would have guessed. It's amazing, isn't it. He spent 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.680 one hundred and forty million dollars in order to be 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.480 the most unpopular catt at It's incredible. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.880 There is a thing as oversaturation where you can't do 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.960 it too much. And I think Meg Whitman did that 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.919 back when she ran for governor. I think Alchecki did 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.880 that when he ran for governor. I think Rick Russo 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.359 did that when he ran for mayor. And I think 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.000 that Tom Steyer is repeating that this cycle. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.120 Do you think that he'll get the message and stop 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.240 or he's got nothing else. It's interesting, isn't it, because 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.320 he's not quite there yet. You know, in some of 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.720 the polls he's in the top two, and others he's not. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:11.160 This falling back now back area surging as they say, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:13.880 I don't know what do you do if you're Tom's 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.360 stye I mean, look, my view has always been I 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.280 don't care who the Democrats sent to run against me. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.680 We're sick of them. They've completely failed. We got the 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:24.600 highest cost of living in the country, all the other 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.800 issues we know about, and the time for change argument, 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.880 even the time for balance argument, is just going to 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.760 be incredibly strong whoever they send. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.000 So Randy and I were in the audience last night 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:41.800 in Claremont at Pomona College for the debate, and a 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.080 couple of things popped into our heads after watching the debate, 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.200 and I'm curious to see what you think about them. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:53.240 First and foremost, it was shocking. It was shocking to 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:55.800 both of us for the first time seeing Tom Dyer 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:01.480 in person, how old he looked, and how sickly he looked. 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.400 He looked like someone who just escaped from the old 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.480 folks home. Especially we're in a suit in those sneakers. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.680 I was kind of surprised because in his ads they 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.760 portray him as this guy who swearing right and left. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.320 He's this ass kicker. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.640 He's going to go to Washington, DC and tell Donald 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.040 Trump what for, and he's going to bring socialized medicine 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.359 to California, something that Gavin Newsom couldn't do. He's going 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.160 to give the teachers union everything they want. And then 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.040 you see him in person, and the framing of him 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.960 as a candidate that the ad makers portrayed and the 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.120 person who walked onto that stage in the same room 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.599 as us, it was like night and day, like two 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:45.360 different people. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.080 Yeah, to me, I totally agree. That was exactly my 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.720 first resht. I mean I've seen him up close. I 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.160 guess I'm not as surprised now because I've seen him 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.960 quite a few times. Because apart from these TV debates, 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.960 we do a number of these forums that don't get 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.640 anything like the attention that they're mostly not televised, And 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.440 I remember thinking exactly the same, He's like some grumpy 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.520 old man. You mean, John, You don't think that the 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.960 sneakers make him look like a cool kid with the 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.400 kind of hip vibe he's going for. He just looks ridiculous. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.080 I agree with you. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.680 The other thing that kind of surprised me was how 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.960 unimpressive Javier Besserra was for a guy who is surging 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.680 in the polls, for a guy who I think the 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:32.640 Democratic establishment is kicking tires on getting behind. Last night, 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.360 he seemed unsure of himself. He said things that were 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.080 not only fact checked by the other candidates, but by 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.280 the moderators of the debate. He wanted to do things 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.279 that were patently illegal. As someone who is the attorney 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.080 general of the state of California, you'd think he would 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:49.000 be aware of that. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.360 He seemed not to be aware of it. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.040 This is in line with how he performed in the 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.960 last debate where he kept confusing I ran for Iraq 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.240 and a whole bunch of other things. He seems like 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.600 that Joe Biden in the race. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.760 To me, it's so funny you should say that. I 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.320 was just thinking about that last night and thinking, that's 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.919 who does this guy really, what does he really represent? 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.920 What's he all about? And that's exactly what he's literally 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.720 the Biden of this race. That's exactly what I thought 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.480 last night, just total career politician, doesn't believe in anything, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.280 does what he's told by the unions, by the activist, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:31.240 by the machine. In that sense, he's the perfect candidate 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.320 for them because he's exactly the puppet that they've been 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.480 looking for that they just put him in there and 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:37.960 he'll deliver whatever they want. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.560 He's running to be the figurehead of the coalition in 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.840 the same lane that Kamala Harris ran in, that Joe 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.560 Biden ran in, that Karen bass in Los Angeles ran in. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.400 And I just can't imagine, given how awful her numbers 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.800 are and how badly Kamala Harris lost, and how Joe 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.400 Biden was pushed out of the election, that there's any 0:06:58.440 --> 0:06:59.720 appetite at all for that. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.640 I agree with that. I mean, if the basic argument 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.960 in this election is going to come down to, are 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.520 you happy with the way things are going in California? 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.880 Do you want another four years of one party rule 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.600 or do you think it's time for change. There's no 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.640 one that represents more of the same more than him. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:26.640 I mean, he's just absolutely the Democrat machine turned into 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.480 human form, just like Biden was, just like all those 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.040 people you mentioned. That's exactly right. Machine politicians will just 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.440 do whatever the especially in California. Of course, the Unions won, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.720 and so I don't know. I mean everyone always asks 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.040 me who would you rather face? There used to be 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.600 Stire or Porter, and before Swolwell dropped out, and now 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.360 of course Bessa is in the mix. I really can't decide, because, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.440 in their different ways, each of them is so deeply flawed. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.480 I thought Matt Mahan, the mayor of San Jose, had 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.040 a good night last night, and I thought he had 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.080 a good night in the first two. The problem I 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.840 see with him is that he's put his poll in 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:05.760 a pond with no. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:06.800 Fish in it. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.720 He is appealing to people who hate Donald Trump, but 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.920 who believe that the state of California does an awful 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.440 job delivering services. And I just don't think there are 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.960 any Democrats out There are many Democrats out there who 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.560 feel that way. He's selling peanut butter without jelly, and 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.440 I just see them buying into the whole thing or 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.240 not buying into it at all. Because the Democrats I 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 know who are fed up with how the state of 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.720 California has been run, They're not happy with Pelosi, They're 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.640 not happy with Hakim Jeffries. They weren't happy with Joe 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.040 Biden either, And it seems like he's trying to thread 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.360 the needle in this way that's too cool for school, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.480 and I just don't see any appetite at all in 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.440 the Democratic Party for the product that he's trying to sell. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.800 Yeah, exactly, And I said that right from the beginning. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.200 By the way, I felt the same way about Rick Caruso, 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.080 who's obviously backing Mayhan. And really the only the only 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.400 reason Mayhan is in the race is because Caruso decided 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.320 not to run, and then almost overnight, all of the 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.280 money that was lined up to support Rick Caruso in 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:19.720 the belief that what this state needs is a moderate Democrat, 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.160 as they describe it, and it all switched to mayhan 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.080 and he's had a huge amount of money. I mean 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.840 he's spending not not quite stire money, but you know, 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.560 a lot. And he's still on single digits. Four, five, six, seven. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.520 I think seven is high for him. And he's not 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.400 going anywhere because remember it's a Democrat, it's a primary election. 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.199 The people who tend to vote in a primary are 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.720 the most you know, the party loyalists. They don't want 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.000 what mayhansney. You're completely right. I always thought there was 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.000 no lane for him in the top two system, and 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.360 just as there wasn't for Rick Caruso, which is I 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.040 guess why Rick Caruso didn't run, amongst other reasons. But 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.880 I think what Mayhanon's done, it's going to be for 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.400 Sarah Stile. Maybe still. Katie Porter, I thought she did 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.199 all right last night. 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.480 Honestly, well, during some of the commercial breaks she walked 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.800 up to you and I believe Matt Mahan as well, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.520 and she was talking to you during the commercial break. 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.079 What was it that she had to say? 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.840 Well, she was complaining a lot about the format. So 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.480 the thing about her was that she basically she was 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.880 not going to be in last night's debate until the 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.800 very last minute. She waited for Ages to confirm, and 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.839 then she said she wasn't coming, and then she changed 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.079 her mind. As she was saying, she was complaining about 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.280 the format and the way they structured it. So we 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.480 were chatting about that. Look, the truth is that we 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.439 you know, we've seen each other a lot on these 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.800 on these occasions, and on a personal level, actually get 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:49.319 on pretty well. Obviously totally disagree on policy and politics. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.719 But I think that it's interesting. I just look at 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.520 these three that are in the top tier for the Democrats, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.640 and I really could see any of them making it. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.800 And I don't know, we've got to. I mean, the 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:03.720 ballots go out next week. I mean, the election is 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.439 basically here. One other thing that's very important to bear 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.960 in mind, and this poll from the Bessarah's team, you know, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.280 illustrates that today is that we can't take for granted 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.760 that as a fact that I'll be in the top two. 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.680 Obviously I'm leading in all of the polls, and my 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.360 lead is growing, but you know, you could even see 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.400 the way that that because you've still got Chad in 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.679 the race, you know, polling lower, but taking you know, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.680 a big chunk of Republican votes, you could end up 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.120 with two Democrats if we're not careful. So I do 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.160 think we need to face up to that on the 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:42.120 Republican side and really make a clear decision that we've 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.520 got to have a Republican in the top two. If 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.520 we don't, it's a disaster for California. There'll be no 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.560 chance of change. It's a disaster for all the down 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.000 ballot races, even for voter ID And so we've got 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.280 to wake up and get serious. And so I'm very 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.600 strongly saying to everyone, Look, it's pretty clear now who's 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.120 the leading Republican, leading in the polls, leading on fundraising, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.520 endorsed by President Trump. Let's get together as a party 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:07.680 and make this happen. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.920 I disagree because when you look at the poll particularly 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.800 put out by the California Democratic Party, they still have 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:21.160 a Democrat lockout on the November ballot as a distinct possibility. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.760 They wouldn't be putting that poll out if they didn't 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.720 have their hair on fire worried about a Democratic lockout, because, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.760 let's face it, if it's you and Chad Bianco on 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.880 the November ballot, not only does that mean that there 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.559 will be a Republican governor. It means good luck getting 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.720 any Democratic voters to turn out or to get ginned 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.800 up about the election, which means the Republicans have a 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.040 much better shot hanging onto that isis seat in San 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.679 Diego and Riverside County, that seat that's being contested by 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.560 both parties in the Central Valley, the Valadeo seat, and 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.240 certainly the Kevin Kyley seat in Northern California. I mean, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.440 if that were to happen, that could determine not only 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.880 who is in the next governor of California, but who's 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:09.079 in charge of the Congress in Washington, d C. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:09.480 Too. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.199 And I think that they see that as being the 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.480 worst case scenario for the California Democratic Party, as they should, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:21.640 but they certainly still see that as a distinct possibility. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:23.080 Yeah. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.160 Look, of course that would be an incredible outcome, But 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.040 for all the reasons you give, couldn't agree more. It's 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:34.520 just very difficult to see how we engineer that, especially 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.360 considering how much money they've got on their side to 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.400 muck about with the with the system to meet their goals. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.920 I mean, look what, that's why Katie Porters so angry 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.920 with them all, because they really took her out in 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.240 order for Adam Schiff in the Senate race to make 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.040 sure that he faced Steve Garvey. And so my view 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.880 has always been that if there's any real possibility of 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.440 the two Republicans being in the top two, they would 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.000 spend a ton of money to stop that from happening. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.559 The machine, you know, the Union money and so on, 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.800 and so I don't know. I just think that trying 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.760 to get to that outcome might actually mean that we 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.680 end up with no Republican. But in the end, it's 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.160 very difficult for us to affect this other than for 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.640 both me and Chad to do what we're doing, which 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.320 is to campaign hard and get our message out. Then 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.720 that's what I'm doing, and I guess that's what he's doing, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.520 and we'll see how it goes. But I do worry 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.960 that we might end up with two Democrats if we're 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:37.520 not careful. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.880 Last night's debate was different from the first debate and 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.520 other forums that you have participated in with Chad Bianco 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.400 in the sense that you two really didn't mix it 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.040 up together. He got into it with Tony Thurman, the 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.400 state Superintendent of Public Instruction. Those two mixed it up 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.240 a few different times. He certainly went at it with 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.360 the moderators, went at it with Katie Order at various 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.440 points in time, but you and him certainly never were. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:06.640 At each other's throats. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.880 The callers, we had callers call in the first hour 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.920 react to the debate last night, and it's quite interesting 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.720 to me because typically when you have a contested primary, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.920 people who support one candidate hate the other. If you 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.440 support candidate B, you hate candidate A. And it seems 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.240 like the people who say they're going to vote for 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.840 Bianco still have a really good impression of you. The 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.960 people who are voting for you still have a pretty 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:34.720 good impression of Bianco. Was the decision to not go 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.640 at it with each other last night something that you 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.800 walked into that building knowing would happen, or did it 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.440 just happen that way organically? 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.280 A bit of both, honestly, John, I mean, I feel 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:50.040 like we've got to in a forum like that and 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:53.840 or an event like that where it's a statewide TV audience. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.120 It's not just Republicans, it's not just Democrats. It's really 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:02.600 important that we just make who's responsible for this mess. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.200 It's not the Republican has nothing to do with Republicans. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.200 It's the Democrats and both of us in different ways. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.120 And you know, you don't get unlimited time. You have 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.400 a certain amount of time, and so you've got to 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.120 use it to make the points that are most important. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.680 And the most important point is that we're desperate for 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.040 change in California. You've got to hold the Democrats accountable, 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.040 and we need a new direction. And the fact is 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.000 that Chad and I do agree on the direction for sure. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.520 On most policy areas, we're completely in agreement. There's a 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.080 couple of exceptions. We've talked about that before, and immigration 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.800 is probably really the only significant issue where we don't 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.440 actually agree, and our disagreement is really on you know, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.760 who's best able to deliver that and so on, and 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.840 we don't need to get into that now. But in 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.280 terms of the argument, the argument is you cannot have 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.680 another four years of Democrat one party rule. And I 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.720 think that both of us, you know, we didn't we 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.960 certainly didn't discuss it or in any way talk about 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.160 our respective strategies, but I think we both understand that 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.560 it's our responsibility as leaders for the Republican Party in 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.320 this situation to pin the blame where it lies, which 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:13.919 is with Democrats. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.919 What did you make of the format last night and 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:18.479 the moderators? 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.800 Ah, I mean it was way too over engineered. I look, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.679 I liked this debate more than the last one. I 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.080 thought the last one was very bloodless and two micromanaged 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.720 and everyone just delivering their lines. And in fact, the 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:38.119 last one it was, you know, we're all in a 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.960 tiny little studio right next to each other. It just 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:45.000 felt very restricted in every way. This one was much looser. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.199 I think there was more energy to it, and I 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.000 liked that. But I thought the structure, with all these 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.320 different sections and the fact that you know, you're not 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.439 everyone to answer the same question, it meant just weird. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.960 And I think that there was way too much. You know, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.399 I'm made too much speaking by the motivators. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:08.679 Frankly Steve Hilton, Republican candidate for governor here in the 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.399 state of California, the man who was pulling first and 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.800 just about every recent poll. You can follow him on 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.399 x at Steve Hilton X. Steve, thanks so much for 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.280 stopping by. Well chat again real soon. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.680 Thank you, Joe. Great to be with you. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.640 Let's go to Charlotte and Woodland Hills. Charlotte. Hello, Hi, 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.080 how are you good? 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.960 Yeah? So I'm just my comments about the debate last night. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.919 I definitely thought Hilton was the best. I thought that 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.960 Matt Mahon was the second best. I thought he was 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.199 actually pretty good looking from the TV. I know you 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.040 said he looks better in person. I think he's too skinny. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.280 But I thought he was pretty good looking, which surprised 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.800 me because I didn't notice that before. I thought, but 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:56.480 Sarah was mean spirited, which I was surprised because I 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.920 never thought that until last night. He made some comment. 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:02.840 He made a couple of snide remarks, and I think 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.359 one of them was to Helton about his dad, but 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.520 he was really talking about Trump apparently, So I wasn't 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.679 impressed with that. I thought, I think stier, he just 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.879 tries too hard, he jumps around, he's not likable, he 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:20.160 talks too much, and Katie Porter is just not likable. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.280 And Bianco came off was angry and mean, you know. 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.000 So that was kind of my take on it. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:26.920 All right, thank you for the call. 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.640 If you went to weigh in on last night's debate, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.600 give us a call at eight hundred two two two 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.840 five two two two eight hundred two two two five 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.240 two two two is the telephone number one eight hundred 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.320 two two two five two two two. If you'd like 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.520 to email the show, you can do so at Johnny 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.879 don't Like show at gmail dot com. 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I agree with your strategym for Sheriff Biankell 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.280 and mister Hilton winning the top two primary. I'm a 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.320 little bit more than a little worried that they are 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.600 mad candidacy. We'll get a lot of independent voters that 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.679 might have gone to our candidates and will reduce all 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.239 percentage of the vote overall, so it won't be an 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:15.320 impressive going into the fall. 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.320 I think that you're right to be worried about that. However, 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.800 I assume that in primaries, more than anything, what you're 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.280