WEBVTT - He Juggles Eggs

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. Armstrong and Getty. He

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<v Speaker 3>can't condemn Hamas. He can't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood. He

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<v Speaker 3>says his home is Egypt. This is all starting at

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<v Speaker 3>my home.

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<v Speaker 4>We are going to move along. We can continue this

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<v Speaker 4>conversation in the second half of the show.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't want a home in Florida. He took it

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<v Speaker 5>off the market. I don't know for why, but.

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<v Speaker 2>He just took it off his home in the United

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<v Speaker 2>Arab Emirates.

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<v Speaker 6>We're done.

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<v Speaker 4>Staying in the Middle East. Congressman Rogers, you pledged.

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<v Speaker 2>So that poor moderator in Michigan last night trying to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with El-Sayed and Mike Rogers, who are really getting

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<v Speaker 2>into it, man, that is a no-win situation. If you've

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<v Speaker 2>got two candidates that are going to go at it

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<v Speaker 2>like that and just speak whenever they want, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you'd do. I think probably the

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<v Speaker 2>best thing to do is just....

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<v Speaker 6>Well, in the words of Anderson Cooper, let them spum.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've got a bunch of people on stage, you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have to because... But if there's only two people,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you can you can let them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come off as. Way too much of a bully and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't let the other one speak or just let them

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<v Speaker 2>let them.

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<v Speaker 6>Unless you're going to put a shock collar on them

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<v Speaker 6>or a compliance belt, I don't know what you're going

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<v Speaker 6>to do. You're going to do your best and let

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<v Speaker 6>them come off to the voters the way they come off.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm less concerned about the niceties of debating than I

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<v Speaker 6>am about an Islamist takeover of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I'm not concerned about the niceties of debating at

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<v Speaker 2>trying to understand what they're saying. And when they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>over each other, I don't even know what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought I honestly got Hanson is batting a pinch

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<v Speaker 6>hitting for Michelangelo today, who is off celebrating his anniversary,

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<v Speaker 6>which is lovely. I thought you were playing to the

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<v Speaker 6>audio sources at once, Hanson.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that what it sounds like? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the debate people were watching in Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>to try to figure out who to vote for. Like

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't turn that on already knowing who you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for. I wonder, I don't know much about

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<v Speaker 2>either of these candidates. I'm going to turn on the

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<v Speaker 2>debate and listen to them have a good, solid discussion

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<v Speaker 2>about this and decide which person I'm for.

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<v Speaker 6>Again, and this time I don't think I'm arguing unfairly.

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<v Speaker 6>You've fallen into the trap of thinking most voters know

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<v Speaker 6>anything about anything. Huge numbers of voters, significant chunks of them,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe a third, don't know anything about Rogers or El

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<v Speaker 6>Sayed at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in this race?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in this race in Michigan, you think they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know El Sayed? Wake up and smell the ignorance. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they know if El Sayed's, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>he is? That's something. Then you shouldn't vote. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that wholeheartedly. Okay, so they were.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rogers was claiming, and I didn't look up whether

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<v Speaker 2>this is true or not, that El-Sayed owns a home

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<v Speaker 2>in Egypt, and I don't know if that's a deal

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<v Speaker 2>breaker or not. And then so El-Sayed's getting into Mike Rogers'

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<v Speaker 2>homes and all of his sort of stuff in this clip.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, 30 seconds. We're going to move on after this.

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<v Speaker 4>30 seconds.

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<v Speaker 7>How does a guy who's had less than four years

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<v Speaker 7>of work experience, who, by the way, on the campaign

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<v Speaker 7>trail said he had 10, own a luxury property in

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<v Speaker 7>the United Arab Emirates.

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<v Speaker 2>He's worth a million bucks.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody has to tell me how this math works. A,

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<v Speaker 7>his facts are wrong. Those are lies. But he is

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<v Speaker 7>consistently not telling the truth. Well, let me just say it.

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<v Speaker 7>He's lying. So he lied about being a physician. He

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<v Speaker 7>lied now about being an Egyptian citizen or not being

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<v Speaker 7>an Egyptian citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't figure out what.

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<v Speaker 4>He is today.

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<v Speaker 7>But this impacts what he's trying to tell you where

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<v Speaker 7>he wants you to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a con man. So what am I supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>do when I watch these debates? Well, sorry, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>get to bed. I'm going to be up for several

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<v Speaker 2>hours doing research on what's true or not of what

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<v Speaker 2>these people said for the next several hours.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah, I guess he does own properties and a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of properties in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the... I got the main point for you

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<v Speaker 2>from the whole thing from the wide world of news

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<v Speaker 2>I was reading this morning. We'll get to that after

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<v Speaker 2>some more clips. Just just run through these. We'll comment

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<v Speaker 2>after each other, each one of them. Hanson, starting with 91.

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<v Speaker 7>What my friend here just wants to do is he's

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<v Speaker 7>kind of like a glitchy AI chat bot is say

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<v Speaker 7>the same thing over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me tell you this. He has taken money.

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<v Speaker 7>From groups associated and support the Muslim Brotherhood. He has

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<v Speaker 7>taken money from individuals on his campaign who openly support Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda.

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<v Speaker 7>He's taken money from the George Soros family. What we

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<v Speaker 7>found out is that this thing goes way back. Apparently

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<v Speaker 7>they paid for his education in Colombia. Now they're paying

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<v Speaker 7>for his campaign. By the way, that's a billionaire, last

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<v Speaker 7>I checked. What degree did I get at Columbia?

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<v Speaker 4>We're out of time. I'm going to give you a

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<v Speaker 4>30-second rebuttal.

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<v Speaker 2>What degree did I get at Columbia?

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<v Speaker 5>I get interviewed by him, not by you.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the problems that everyone has in the

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<v Speaker 2>modern world, unless you sit down and watch the debate

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<v Speaker 2>like a friend of mine did, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>read his text here in a second, is my algorithm

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<v Speaker 2>fed me all stuff that looked favorable to Mike Rogers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, OK, I know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I tried to seek out other clips, which

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<v Speaker 2>it was easy to find him on like MS Now

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<v Speaker 2>and places like that. But God dang it. The biggest

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<v Speaker 2>problem we got maybe in all of media is You

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<v Speaker 2>can't flip off your algorithm. Hey, I don't want you

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<v Speaker 2>to just give me clips that back what I already

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<v Speaker 2>think to make me feel good. All right. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see what actually happened. And that's hard to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really hard to do because it wasn't all Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Rogers getting in zingers on El Sayed is not the

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<v Speaker 2>way it worked. But anyway, so I asked a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, he said, hey, are you watching the debate?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, what is it?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, no.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your takeaway? He said, my takeaway is we're effed.

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to be more critical of conservative candidates performance

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<v Speaker 2>because he is a conservative. Rogers started off fumbling a

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<v Speaker 2>little and had a cringy, he's not a physician kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doctor moment. Syed's slick, but I'm afraid that the

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<v Speaker 2>left is going to overlook his obvious terrorist ties and sympathies.

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<v Speaker 2>Syed is good on the economy and really good at

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<v Speaker 2>dodging his anti-Israel pro-Hamas stance by saying, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>support our schools. And what have foreign wars gotten us?

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<v Speaker 2>Always turning it back to things that are very popular

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<v Speaker 2>with like mainstream people.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why he's so dangerous. But, yeah, he's campaigned over

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<v Speaker 6>and over and over again with various imams and activists

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<v Speaker 6>who support Hamas and Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood and

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<v Speaker 6>accepted money from organizations that also give money to those organizations.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really, to me, that's the only issue that matters.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's an enormous history changing issue. So I agree

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<v Speaker 6>with you on the stuff about algorithms and all, but

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<v Speaker 6>I'm less here as a political analyst assessing who did

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<v Speaker 6>better in the debate and more and calling out Al-Sayed

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<v Speaker 6>for that. It's the only thing that matters to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a little more on the whole doctor, are you

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor or not thing.

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<v Speaker 5>As a doctor, I understand exactly what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a physician.

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<v Speaker 5>He says I like to say the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a physician.

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<v Speaker 5>He says I like to say the same thing. He's

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<v Speaker 5>done the same thing over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what that is? Vote to keep your prescription

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<v Speaker 5>drug prices high 19 times. That's just not true. A

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<v Speaker 5>million dollars alone from Big Pharma. Another million dollars. from

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<v Speaker 5>the health insurance corporations. Of course, he is touting their

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<v Speaker 5>talking points. This is a guy who has not been

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<v Speaker 5>serious about providing people health care his entire career. What

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<v Speaker 5>he has been serious about is making sure that he

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<v Speaker 5>can monetize his time in public office, $ 14 million, two yachts,

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<v Speaker 5>a McMansion in Florida. So at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a doctor. I want people to have health care.

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<v Speaker 6>At what point is a boat a yacht? Do we

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<v Speaker 6>have a working definition of yacht?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So many of these people running have houses in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that because of the whole tax situation there? The

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<v Speaker 2>Republican in Kansas who might lose because he lives in Florida.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, maybe. Plus, you know, nice real estate. It's warm

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<v Speaker 6>in the wintertime.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one more that I want to get before I

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<v Speaker 2>get to some analysis that I think that's really important. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this, just because it keeps coming up, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the point of the analysis, 93. So El-Sayed, to

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<v Speaker 2>set this up, he has been asked now five times

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<v Speaker 2>in different settings, including in the debate, multiple times, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger threat to the United States, Israel or Iran?

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<v Speaker 2>And he won't answer it. So this sort.

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<v Speaker 5>Of like hypothetical, who's a bigger threat, is a dumb question.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>Dr.

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<v Speaker 4>El-Sayed, we didn't quite, we got the part that you

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was dumb, but we didn't understand or... kind

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<v Speaker 4>of get to that answer. So I'm going to ask

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<v Speaker 4>you again tonight, who do you think is a bigger

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<v Speaker 4>threat to the United States, Israel or Iran? You have

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<v Speaker 4>60 seconds.

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<v Speaker 5>And again, Rick, I'm just going to say that that's

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<v Speaker 5>a ridiculous hypothetical because here's what's happening right now. Our

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<v Speaker 5>ostensible ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to

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<v Speaker 5>war with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded

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<v Speaker 5>by bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 5>and then choking off the world's energy supply. So This

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<v Speaker 5>is a situation in which I don't think we should

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<v Speaker 5>be apart. I don't want to be pushed into war

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<v Speaker 5>by Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's Mark Halperin's analysis of that whole thing, because

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<v Speaker 2>it started before the debate when El-Sayed was asked, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger threat, Iran or Israel? And that's just a

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<v Speaker 2>dumb hypothetical. Halperin's analysis is someone who, and Halperin bends

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<v Speaker 2>over backwards to be fair, like really goes the extra

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<v Speaker 2>mile to not be a partisan. Someone who won't say

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<v Speaker 2>if Iran or Israel is a greater threat to United

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<v Speaker 2>States security is a not someone who should be in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States Senate. That's a heck of a thing

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<v Speaker 2>to say as a nonpartisan journalist.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And B, someone who is in sync with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of America right now, no one should be in denial

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<v Speaker 2>about either one of those facts. Yeah, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a highly troubling situation. Somebody who won't say,

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<v Speaker 2>that is so insane that you're unwilling to say, obviously Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's one of the biggest threats to the United States

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<v Speaker 2>on planet Earth and have been for a half a century.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the number one sponsor of terror in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course. Working like crazy to develop nuclear weapons, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>etc.

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<v Speaker 6>Death to America, the constant chanting, yes. Yeah, well, that's

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<v Speaker 6>because Al-Sahed's on Iran's side. Constantly pivoting to the high

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<v Speaker 6>prices and stuff. Again, really, really smart politics. Really capable.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why he's so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that he doesn't... He won't even, for

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<v Speaker 2>the debate, say... Something along the lines of Iran has

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<v Speaker 2>been an exporter of terror, something like that, hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>his supporters know he's got to say it or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He won't even go that far.

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<v Speaker 6>Right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But that second part is also troubling because he knows

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of people in this country, lots of young

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<v Speaker 2>people especially, who agree. It's not clear that Iran's a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger threat to the United States than Israel. No way.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Israel's a bigger threat.

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<v Speaker 6>Partly because the Trump administration has done such a miserably

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<v Speaker 6>incompetent job of messaging about the conflict and the need

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<v Speaker 6>for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, we are in a weird spot where those two

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<v Speaker 2>things are true. For a U.S. Senate race? If he

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<v Speaker 2>gets elected, and I just don't think this gets said

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<v Speaker 2>enough in enough places, he will be by far the

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<v Speaker 2>most extreme person we've had in the U.S. Senate maybe ever,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly since the beginning of the 20th century.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, miles and miles. Hey, I want to hear 92, Hanson.

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<v Speaker 6>Can you dial that one up?

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<v Speaker 7>Yesterday was October 7th. This is why you should get

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<v Speaker 7>absolutely angry. He could not bring himself to even acknowledge

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<v Speaker 7>the pain, the terrorism, the rape, the murders, cutting off

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<v Speaker 7>of women's breasts, putting children in ovens. and killing them

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<v Speaker 7>in front of their families. Could not even muster. And

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<v Speaker 7>he could not even muster.

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<v Speaker 5>I've condemned that, but I didn't turn it into political

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<v Speaker 5>theater like you just did.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not. All right, let me tell you this.

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<v Speaker 5>I just need a response. No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>He's interrupted me for about half of my time.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm so sorry, but I'm not somebody who tries

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<v Speaker 5>to make... political theater out of other people's pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Your whole campaign is political theater. And you turn it

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<v Speaker 2>into political theater.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Including putting on a white jacket.

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<v Speaker 4>Gentlemen, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 6>Al-Sayed is on the side of Hamas. He may have

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<v Speaker 6>thought they made some sort of strategic error, but no,

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<v Speaker 6>he's on their side.

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<v Speaker 2>And he may.

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<v Speaker 2>Be right in thinking that if I just keep bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it back to grocery prices and gas prices, enough people

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<v Speaker 2>who are like, I don't know anything about the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know what you're talking about. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>gas is expensive. We'll get him over the top.

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<v Speaker 6>And get America one step closer to an English language

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<v Speaker 6>version of Submission, the great French novel.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy crap. Any thoughts on any of that? Text line 415-295-KFTC.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 3>And finally, I heard that Starbucks is exploring a takeover

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<v Speaker 3>of Chipotle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, customers said they can't wait for the E. coli latte. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a great show. Give it up for the Roots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on my way now.

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<v Speaker 7>The E.

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<v Speaker 3>Coli latte.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not fair to Chipotle. We're going to talk public executions,

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<v Speaker 2>pro or con, coming up in a little bit. Yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>on the One More Thing podcast, we got into something

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<v Speaker 2>that I just became aware of fairly recently. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it at a football game a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>high school football game. I heard a mom talking about, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm busy making a sign for my son because he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to ask a girl to the homecoming dance and

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<v Speaker 2>make a sign. I just pretended I knew what she

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about because I had no idea. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the way you do it now. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a big giant sign that you show up

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody knows you're going to do it. And everybody

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<v Speaker 2>has their phones out, including both parents. And you have

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<v Speaker 2>a video of them showing up with a sign and

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<v Speaker 2>flowers to say you want to go to the dance.

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<v Speaker 2>And that way you can post it on Instagram. We

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<v Speaker 2>got this text. Listening to your one more thing, homecoming

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<v Speaker 2>posters and proposals things. What a nightmare. My 17-year-old introverted

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<v Speaker 2>daughter would have gone to the dance with a boy

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted to go with her, but she didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>the sign or the public asking. He was pressured to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. She got embarrassed and said no. And now

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<v Speaker 2>the group of friends is going without her because she's

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<v Speaker 2>not part of a couple and the pictures would look

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<v Speaker 2>uneven if she went with them without a date. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's nice. And this is for Joe. This is from

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<v Speaker 2>the fabulous I'm Just Diane, who responded to this all saying, promposals.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, Joe, there's a cute name for it. They're called promposals.

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<v Speaker 6>I better grip my head hard with both hands to

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<v Speaker 6>keep it from exploding. It became a thing in the 2010s,

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<v Speaker 6>which is also when Instagram started. Disney made a movie

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<v Speaker 6>called Prom in 2011 that heavily featured promposals. Promposals can

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<v Speaker 6>be found all over Instagram, TikTok, giving those who peaked

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<v Speaker 6>in high school something to look back on, I guess

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<v Speaker 6>she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 6>Dryly withering is always dying. Yeah, I made my thoughts

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<v Speaker 6>clear on the podcast. I think turning an intense private

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<v Speaker 6>moment into a public spectacle for public approval is a mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>It's always a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>It's rough all the way around. I mean, because once

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes a thing, then the girl might be like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>can I say yes to a guy who just asks

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<v Speaker 2>me and doesn't do the sign flowers thing, the promposal thing?

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<v Speaker 6>Does he really care?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make me look like a lame-o? I would have.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't ask anybody out anyway in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>but I definitely wouldn't have if it required a sign

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<v Speaker 2>and doing it around everybody with cameras out to get

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<v Speaker 2>her yes or no. Not a chance. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>once again, it's extroverts rule the world. They make all

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<v Speaker 2>the rules because they're fine with it. If you're not

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<v Speaker 2>an extrovert, though, you're like, how do I participate?

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<v Speaker 6>Right, right. And then you go off to college like Cornell.

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<v Speaker 6>And things take a dark turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow!

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<v Speaker 6>That was an excuse to get this anonymous email on.

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<v Speaker 6>One aspect of the Cornell so-called gang rape is that

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<v Speaker 6>the fact that the men who were not rapists when

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<v Speaker 6>the sex happened because it was consensual only became rapists

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<v Speaker 6>when she changed her mind about what happened. They are

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<v Speaker 6>retroactive rapists. It's the only crime I know of where

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<v Speaker 6>the alleged offender can change from innocent to guilty at

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<v Speaker 6>any time due to a change in the mental state

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<v Speaker 6>of another person. For your science-minded listeners with a twisted

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<v Speaker 6>sense of humor, they are Schrodinger's Rapists.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Speaking of dryly hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good about a horrifying topic. That's really good.

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<v Speaker 6>Well played, friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Well played.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 8>A firing squad execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik

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<v Speaker 8>Hassan will be live streamed. This comes after War Secretary

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<v Speaker 8>Pete Hegseth said the execution would be public. Secretary Hegseth

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<v Speaker 8>says it will take place at Fort Hood on December 3rd.

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<v Speaker 8>Hassan was convicted of killing 13 people and injuring 32

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<v Speaker 8>others in a shooting at the military base in 2009. Monday,

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<v Speaker 8>a Pentagon spokesman said President Trump had approved the execution.

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<v Speaker 2>Has Major Hassan made any final requests, reached out to

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<v Speaker 2>the president, anything like that, to your knowledge?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see him on December 3rd. That was Pete Hegseth there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you care about the company you keep. Currently,

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<v Speaker 2>the only other two countries that do public executions, besides

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<v Speaker 2>the United States soon, Iran and Afghanistan. Over the last

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<v Speaker 2>half century, the only countries that have done public executions

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<v Speaker 2>are Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Somalia, and Yemen.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't see your point.

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<v Speaker 2>One reason I can laugh about this is Mark Halpern writes,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, there's no way this is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Cooler heads will prevail and it will not happen.

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<v Speaker 6>So I don't know. May I respond on behalf of

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<v Speaker 6>all of us who think this guy needs to be

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<v Speaker 6>executed immediately and are at least semi-comfortable with a public execution?

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<v Speaker 6>Your little list of our bedfellows there. My official response

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<v Speaker 6>is no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know, yesterday we talked about capital punishment and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on the whole a no on capital punishment. But

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<v Speaker 2>not hardcore. It doesn't bother me that these scumbags with

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<v Speaker 2>all their appeals get killed. This one.

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<v Speaker 1>One?

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<v Speaker 2>100% yes. Because he's a combatant in a war, among

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<v Speaker 2>other things. I mean, so 100% yes, executing this dude.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's not even a question. Well, and a United

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<v Speaker 2>States officer in the military had sworn an oath. And

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<v Speaker 2>did what he did.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Up against the wall. It's a military code of

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<v Speaker 6>justice handles this just fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we doing it public? Hegzeth says it's to

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<v Speaker 2>send a message that there's consequences for this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, indeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't actually don't. I actually don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>because it's been a question we discussed this yesterday. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>is the death penalty a deterrence? And people have been

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<v Speaker 2>arguing that forever. And then people bring out statistics that

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<v Speaker 2>back up their argument that may or may not be accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time is the death penalty deterrence. I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a deterrence for jihadists. That I know.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's an incentive. Yeah, yeah. Look, Halpern's right, and

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<v Speaker 6>you're right, and I am right in what I'm about

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<v Speaker 6>to say. They say in coaching it's easier to slow

0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.390
<v Speaker 6>them down than speed them up. Well, that's the Pete

0:20:53.410 --> 0:20:59.550
<v Speaker 6>Hegseth situation. And by golly, I appreciate his zest for justice,

0:20:59.630 --> 0:21:04.570
<v Speaker 6>his lack of patience with jihadis. and his, uh, being very,

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<v Speaker 6>very angry because I've heard him talk about this at

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<v Speaker 6>the way these, this offense, this horror was approached at

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<v Speaker 6>the time by the Obama administration, trying to pass it

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<v Speaker 6>off as workplace violence. And, and Pete is, uh, his

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<v Speaker 6>vehemence is in response to that. But here's where the

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<v Speaker 6>head coach Trump has to step in and slow him

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<v Speaker 6>down a little bit and say, you know, that's not

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<v Speaker 6>really a great luck. We'll just, uh, We'll just do

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<v Speaker 6>it and let people know it's done. I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>we'll stream it.

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<v Speaker 2>So a live stream, where would it be on? So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be the halftime of the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, but it could be sponsored, brought to you

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<v Speaker 6>by Remington Rifles. I don't know. I'm just spitballing here.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a hospital chain. Tonight, right after Dancing with the Stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Brought to you by Humana Health. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, I, uh, well, is it going to be

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<v Speaker 2>on C-SPAN? That's the official government channel. Well, it's going

0:22:03.270 --> 0:22:05.410
<v Speaker 2>to be live streamed. So if you want to pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the stream, that's where it is. Um, whether networks

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<v Speaker 2>will pick it up or not. I don't want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be like the chiefs Raiders game where I got

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<v Speaker 2>to try to figure is it on prime? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>on Netflix? Where the hell is it? I want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch this guy get shot. I hate that. I hate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>So you said earlier you would not watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you standing by those lily-livered words? I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's good for the soul to watch these sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet I have killed more live beasts than anybody

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<v Speaker 2>on this show and most people listening. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>watch videos of it. I don't think it's good for

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<v Speaker 2>the soul to watch this stuff, personally. It's an unpleasant

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<v Speaker 2>and awful but necessary duty.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that what you would say?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You could make the argument, I was making the argument yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>that the government shouldn't be snuffing people if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>okay with, like, participating in it. I wouldn't participate in it. Because, okay,

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.180
<v Speaker 2>then you are participating in it. This is a democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>We vote. And you're participating in, like, voting, enough people

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<v Speaker 2>voting for doing this that we do it. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>participating at some level. There is that argument. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like the sort of thing you bring up in a

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<v Speaker 2>classroom to get people to argue while you scroll your

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<v Speaker 2>phone as a professor. But I so you could make

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<v Speaker 2>the argument that if the government's going to take a

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<v Speaker 2>life like this, it should be it should be televised.

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<v Speaker 2>So people know exactly what we're doing. But it still

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean I don't know what my soul gets out

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<v Speaker 2>of watching.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. And again, it's not going to happen. I think

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<v Speaker 6>to do it the usual way, take pictures up until

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<v Speaker 6>the moment of the execution, have witnesses who volunteer to

0:23:58.590 --> 0:24:01.369
<v Speaker 6>be there, et cetera, done under the strict code of

0:24:01.410 --> 0:24:03.369
<v Speaker 6>military justice. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I got another question. Is it barbaric? But first, we

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<v Speaker 2>list of countries that do this got to mean something. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>they're ahead of the curve. They're innovators. You know, Saudi Arabia,

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<v Speaker 2>North Korea, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 6>I see your point. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's rough. Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 6>But again, it won't happen. But do you think it's

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<v Speaker 6>100 percent?

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<v Speaker 2>But we have often had Josh Rogan to the Washington

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<v Speaker 2>Post on about rice, variety of things, expert on China,

0:25:44.650 --> 0:25:47.030
<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff. But he he posted barbaric.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I feel like it's barbaric, but,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you see that list of countries, those

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<v Speaker 2>are barbaric countries. Yeah, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 6>It's an interesting contrast. There is so much mayhem that

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<v Speaker 6>people watch, including kids, online. Well, I don't think they should.

0:26:05.070 --> 0:26:09.530
<v Speaker 6>It's a different time. Well, it just doesn't stand out

0:26:09.570 --> 0:26:11.230
<v Speaker 6>like it used to, is my point. I agree with

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<v Speaker 6>you completely. It's terrible, especially for youngsters. It's just awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fact that it doesn't, when people, my kids say,

0:26:18.369 --> 0:26:21.330
<v Speaker 2>because my high schoolers, teenagers, all this stuff floats around,

0:26:21.350 --> 0:26:24.570
<v Speaker 2>they say, it doesn't bother me. That's the problem. The

0:26:24.609 --> 0:26:26.790
<v Speaker 2>fact that it doesn't bother you is a bad thing,

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<v Speaker 2>not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:26:29.060 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 6>Speaking of crime and horror, there are new texts out

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 6>between Jane Doe and some of the frat brothers there

0:26:36.580 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 6>at Cornell, and the case has not gotten less murky.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because then you do have the whole what you felt

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<v Speaker 2>the next day or the whatever is not the same

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<v Speaker 2>as two weeks later. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, there's a big, uh, YouTube star that was in

0:26:58.210 --> 0:27:01.070
<v Speaker 2>my town that I just became aware of Gideon. You

0:27:01.090 --> 0:27:02.870
<v Speaker 2>know what he does going around the country? He did

0:27:02.890 --> 0:27:06.290
<v Speaker 2>it in our town. When, when, when my son said,

0:27:06.550 --> 0:27:09.190
<v Speaker 2>did you know Gideon was town in town? His brother

0:27:09.210 --> 0:27:13.189
<v Speaker 2>was like, Whoa, Gideon was here. I'd never heard the

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<v Speaker 2>name before in my life.

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<v Speaker 6>Give me five guesses what he does.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:27:18.070 --> 0:27:18.650
<v Speaker 6>Juggles eggs.

0:27:24.210 --> 0:27:25.790
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're going to... No. That was one guess.

0:27:25.810 --> 0:27:29.889
<v Speaker 6>Makes incredibly realistic barnyard animal sounds while crawling around on

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<v Speaker 6>all fours.

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<v Speaker 2>His YouTube channel has 9 million subscribers. His second YouTube

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>channel has 6 million. His TikTok has 7. His Instagram

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:44.700
<v Speaker 2>has 4, among other things. He is a giant star,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.230
<v Speaker 2>whether you've heard of him or not. He's only 25

0:27:47.230 --> 0:27:52.629
<v Speaker 2>years old. God, how much money is he making? This

0:27:52.670 --> 0:27:56.970
<v Speaker 2>is what he does. He busts pedophiles. He sets them

0:27:57.109 --> 0:27:59.730
<v Speaker 2>up and then videos them being busted. He gets the

0:27:59.770 --> 0:28:02.060
<v Speaker 2>cops involved. And they did that in my town yesterday.

0:28:02.380 --> 0:28:05.140
<v Speaker 2>Somebody from Sacramento coming to Davis thinking he was meeting

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.860
<v Speaker 2>a kid for sex. And it's the cops. And he

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.869
<v Speaker 2>YouTubes it. And he's right there. Mocking the guy and

0:28:12.910 --> 0:28:13.730
<v Speaker 2>talking to the guy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there are a handful of those guys doing that

0:28:17.100 --> 0:28:19.540
<v Speaker 6>sort of thing online. The New York Times, of course,

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:20.940
<v Speaker 6>because it's the New York Times, I'm pretty sure it

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.459
<v Speaker 6>was them, did a profile on one guy who was

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 6>set up wrongly and his reputation was ruined.

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.420
<v Speaker 2>And how irresponsible.

0:28:29.450 --> 0:28:32.570
<v Speaker 6>These online would-be vigilantes really are.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how often that happens.

0:28:34.510 --> 0:28:38.570
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if it's one out of a thousand vigilantes. You know,

0:28:38.610 --> 0:28:40.610
<v Speaker 6>this is one of those difference in quantity is a

0:28:40.650 --> 0:28:44.690
<v Speaker 6>difference in kind. If it's one out of a thousand, great.

0:28:44.730 --> 0:28:48.100
<v Speaker 6>If it's like 30%, then we got a serious issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that'd be pretty awful, though. I think you got

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.300
<v Speaker 2>the wrong guy here as he's putting out on his

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and his TikTok with all his millions of followers.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys are getting constant death threats who've been incorrectly identified. Look,

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<v Speaker 6>I was just walking through the park.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right. But that aside, I just find it interesting.

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:17.050
<v Speaker 2>This wasn't true with my parents. Where the big giant

0:29:17.090 --> 0:29:19.470
<v Speaker 2>celebrities that ever we were all talking about, my parents

0:29:19.510 --> 0:29:23.130
<v Speaker 2>had never even heard of or couldn't even conceive of

0:29:23.190 --> 0:29:24.730
<v Speaker 2>what they do in some cases.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>So odd.

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<v Speaker 2>And it varies from age to age. You got the

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<v Speaker 2>huge stars that my kids wouldn't know that eight-year-olds know

0:29:34.930 --> 0:29:37.090
<v Speaker 2>and vice versa. Right.

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<v Speaker 6>Indeed, there are some that five-year-olds know. I was reading

0:29:39.690 --> 0:29:42.310
<v Speaker 6>about some. punk musician who's now the biggest thing in

0:29:42.570 --> 0:29:45.670
<v Speaker 6>kiddie music. Kind of a Rafi thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. God, why haven't I gotten into something like that?

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.650
<v Speaker 2>Come up with an idea. Get a channel.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:55.980
<v Speaker 6>Get millions of viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as easy as that. just need the idea we

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.940
<v Speaker 2>need something here all right we need to get to

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:07.730
<v Speaker 2>those new text messages cornell not rape case let me

0:30:07.790 --> 0:30:09.790
<v Speaker 2>be the first to call it that joe putting his

0:30:09.870 --> 0:30:12.330
<v Speaker 2>thumb on the scale for justice i've got no what

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<v Speaker 2>that's next.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and getty the armstrong and getty show She never

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<v Speaker 1>said no.

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<v Speaker 8>She never stopped him physically.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not see her doing drugs.

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<v Speaker 4>He did not see her drink.

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<v Speaker 9>He did not do drugs. Defense attorney Andrew Miltenberg says

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<v Speaker 9>Giglio Lopes, one of the seven Cornell fraternity brothers accused

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<v Speaker 9>of raping Jane Doe in 2024, is innocent. She was

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<v Speaker 9>very much innocent.

0:30:49.780 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 4>In his view, capable of consenting to sex.

0:30:53.580 --> 0:30:57.220
<v Speaker 9>Jane Doe's attorney tells ABC News she was incapable of consenting,

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<v Speaker 9>was gang raped at the Chi Phi fraternity by seven men,

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<v Speaker 9>some of whom are accused of pressuring her into taking drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, this story.

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<v Speaker 6>I will repeat what I said, I think it was yesterday.

0:31:09.510 --> 0:31:12.890
<v Speaker 6>Media and politicians are doing to this story what the

0:31:13.070 --> 0:31:15.310
<v Speaker 6>fellows did to that girl. Took it way too far,

0:31:15.430 --> 0:31:17.420
<v Speaker 6>exploited it, and lost their souls.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize how big the protests are there.

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.660
<v Speaker 2>I saw them on the news last night. I was like, whoa.

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Free Press had some great writing about it. And one

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<v Speaker 6>of the points that this gal made that wrote the article.

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<v Speaker 6>was that it was extremely difficult to find anybody who

0:31:36.930 --> 0:31:39.450
<v Speaker 6>would say, allegedly, or we need to figure out what

0:31:39.470 --> 0:31:42.250
<v Speaker 6>the facts are, or we need to slow down, or

0:31:42.290 --> 0:31:45.190
<v Speaker 6>there's a difference between the guys involved, number one and

0:31:45.230 --> 0:31:49.050
<v Speaker 6>number seven. She made it clear it's an angry mob

0:31:49.090 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 6>howling for their version of justice, which I think a

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:53.430
<v Speaker 6>lot of this is.

0:31:53.580 --> 0:31:56.020
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking to my oldest son this weekend about this story,

0:31:56.060 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 2>about the, if you come upon this scene like this

0:31:59.340 --> 0:32:01.180
<v Speaker 2>sometime in your life, here's what you should do.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so there's so much to this story, and as usual,

0:32:05.580 --> 0:32:08.250
<v Speaker 6>my reaction to the mainstream media is not only are

0:32:08.270 --> 0:32:11.290
<v Speaker 6>you idiots and simpletons and biased, but you're missing the

0:32:11.330 --> 0:32:15.350
<v Speaker 6>most interesting parts of it, too, which to me is

0:32:15.410 --> 0:32:19.260
<v Speaker 6>this utterly unworkable situation where the university itself, in its

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.700
<v Speaker 6>welcome-to-campus materials about sex.

0:32:25.220 --> 0:32:28.980
<v Speaker 6>Was like incredibly sexually liberal. Hey, what you need to

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 6>think about, would you be willing to have sex with

0:32:32.260 --> 0:32:34.660
<v Speaker 6>two people at once, three people at once, more than

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:40.890
<v Speaker 6>three people, cyber sex, open sexual relationships, sex toys, blindfolding, bondage, biting, scratching, spanking,

0:32:40.910 --> 0:32:43.810
<v Speaker 6>slapping for sexual pleasure, sexual clamps, toys.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes through the university itself. And why do they

0:32:47.430 --> 0:32:48.469
<v Speaker 2>do that? What's the point of that?

0:32:50.830 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 6>Allegedly in their campus health self-exploration guide which is tells

0:32:56.100 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 6>them they're entitled to experience all the pleasures their bodies

0:32:58.580 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 6>can provide they need.

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<v Speaker 2>To think about i mean i don't get why they're

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<v Speaker 2>getting involved in this.

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<v Speaker 6>And they state that nudity is optimal but they're just

0:33:06.460 --> 0:33:08.860
<v Speaker 6>saying you need to think about which of this stuff

0:33:08.900 --> 0:33:13.260
<v Speaker 6>you're up for um which is an interesting take and

0:33:13.300 --> 0:33:18.650
<v Speaker 6>then um The Cornell Daily Sun student newspaper ran a column.

0:33:18.690 --> 0:33:21.050
<v Speaker 6>They have a sex advice column, and this one ran

0:33:21.110 --> 0:33:24.690
<v Speaker 6>just last year, talking about how great it is to

0:33:24.730 --> 0:33:27.660
<v Speaker 6>be spanked. And I knew a girl who liked to

0:33:27.700 --> 0:33:31.740
<v Speaker 6>feel absolutely terrified during sex, like prey animal awaiting her predator.

0:33:31.780 --> 0:33:34.479
<v Speaker 6>That's power, too. It's not a reflection of bad character

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 6>or immoral behavior if you enjoy it. Sex is defined

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:38.300
<v Speaker 6>by consent.

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<v Speaker 2>Blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 6>So what they're asking, we need to get to the

0:33:41.890 --> 0:33:44.900
<v Speaker 6>new text messages, but what they're asking is for the

0:33:45.140 --> 0:33:48.830
<v Speaker 6>full panoply of the, you know, the Kama Sutra to

0:33:48.870 --> 0:33:50.910
<v Speaker 6>be open to everyone all the time and to be

0:33:50.950 --> 0:33:54.350
<v Speaker 6>seen as healthy and normal. But if at any point

0:33:54.450 --> 0:33:56.830
<v Speaker 6>anybody thinks, you know, I'm kind of weirded out by

0:33:56.870 --> 0:33:59.370
<v Speaker 6>what happened, then that's rape and somebody needs to go

0:33:59.410 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 6>to jail. Those two things existing at the same time

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 6>are utterly, almost hilariously, if it wasn't so sickening, unworkable.

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:11.850
<v Speaker 6>So More and more text messages are coming out. Four

0:34:11.870 --> 0:34:14.770
<v Speaker 6>days after the Kai Fry fraternity party and the incident

0:34:14.830 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 6>we've been discussing, Jane Doe texted student Matthew Ingalls, that's

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.540
<v Speaker 6>male number one who she originally wanted to have sex with,

0:34:22.980 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 6>claiming everybody knows about them having sex, leaving her incredibly

0:34:26.380 --> 0:34:31.700
<v Speaker 6>stressed out. Ingalls sympathized and said, dude, I have no

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 6>effing idea that some random biatch was telling her friends, okay?

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 6>Because the rumors were sweeping around campus, and that was

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 6>really stressing out Jane Doe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a heck of a story. I mean, yeah, you'd

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:44.380
<v Speaker 2>be talking about it if you heard it.

0:34:44.940 --> 0:34:48.090
<v Speaker 6>And so Engel's response, dude, I have no effing idea.

0:34:48.110 --> 0:34:50.890
<v Speaker 6>This S is incredibly frustrating, and I know how fast

0:34:50.969 --> 0:34:57.350
<v Speaker 6>nonsense spreads at the school. It's fan behavior from, oh, yeah,

0:34:57.430 --> 0:35:00.340
<v Speaker 6>he says, it's fan behavior from everyone talking about it.

0:35:00.410 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 6>Boring people who have nothing to do with their time.

0:35:03.550 --> 0:35:07.370
<v Speaker 6>Doe said, the rumors are effing ruining my life, and

0:35:07.410 --> 0:35:10.740
<v Speaker 6>I want to sniff out the rats. My reputation is destroyed,

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm utterly ashamed. I'm effing pissed because this many

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<v Speaker 6>people shouldn't know, and I feel like I know who

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<v Speaker 6>some of the rats in the room were. She added

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<v Speaker 6>that the rumors were not only spreading like wildfire, but

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<v Speaker 6>were growing crazier every effing day. Stupid bitches like to yap,

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<v Speaker 6>and the fact that they're doing it shows that they're

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<v Speaker 6>jealous of you for any number of reasons. Ingalls shot back.

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<v Speaker 6>Doe agreed the gossips are jealous and threaten to beat

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<v Speaker 6>anyone up who gives them S, and also opening up

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<v Speaker 6>about how she's open-minded about sexuality, but also like everyone

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<v Speaker 6>needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and S

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<v Speaker 6>is changing, and stuff like this is going to be

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<v Speaker 6>more common, she said, while admitting that she is also

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<v Speaker 6>really open-minded, though.

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<v Speaker 2>How old was she at the time?

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<v Speaker 6>She was a sophomore, so.

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<v Speaker 2>From 18 to 20.

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<v Speaker 1>Um.

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<v Speaker 6>And then upperclassmen may have been spreading the word. Doe

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<v Speaker 6>responded that a female student who confronted her wouldn't tell

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<v Speaker 6>me who she heard it from because it's one of

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<v Speaker 6>her friends. Ingalls apologized, promised these idiots will move on

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<v Speaker 6>and it'll be done with. More than a week later,

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<v Speaker 6>on the 7th, Ingalls tells Doe that his ex-girlfriend told

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<v Speaker 6>him he's now being labeled a sexual abuser on campus

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<v Speaker 6>and asked if Doe had made those allegations against him.

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<v Speaker 6>Doe said she stayed mum, but added, quote, people are

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<v Speaker 6>changing the narrative because like in any sexual scenario with

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<v Speaker 6>one woman and many men, the woman was probably a victim.

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<v Speaker 6>I know there are rumors I was gang banged, she said.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the same day that she requested a rape

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<v Speaker 6>kit in an emergency room, etc. There's zero chance of

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<v Speaker 6>any convictions in this.

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<v Speaker 4>Zero. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Not that it wasn't unfortunate, immoral. But the whole hardcore

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<v Speaker 6>porn Kama Sutra thing plus this puritanical notion, they can't

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<v Speaker 6>go together. It doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how long this story sticks around.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.