1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: You've found Dirty Work with Adam Copeland and Derek Poppa, 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: where no job is too dirty on KNBR The Sports Leader. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: Dirty Work is sponsored by Jack's Restaurant and Bar and 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: All Day, any Day kind of plays. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: Dirty Work. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: On a Thursday, Adam Copeland deep hoop with you, Tim 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: web out watching March Madness as we all are here 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: in the studio joining us on the Yuma guest line. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: It's Sam Amy covers the NBA for the Athletic. We 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: do it with Sam every Thursday. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 4: Sam, what's up? 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: Probably you doing? 13 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 4: Man? 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: We connected with Sam yet? 15 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: I think we got him. You got me, Sam, I 16 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 3: would say, we don't have any I think the video connected. 17 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if you can hear me yet. Anyway, 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: we're working to make the connection. Were we got the 19 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 3: King Sam mc good Maybe talking to somebody else there. Anyway, 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: Dan's working to connect with him. The Sharks do played 21 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: it out at seven against Buffalo Huge Dame tonight at 22 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: seven for the Sharks. We will be at Jack's Restaurant 23 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 3: and Bar in Newark tomorrow from two to six. We'll 24 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: be hanging watching March Madness. Derek and I were just 25 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: talking about how we're getting down there. We decided probably 26 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: public transit, so we can we can have a few. Yes, 27 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 3: we can get into our. 28 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: Back of the jacks. 29 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 5: People are very generous people with shots and drinks, so 30 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 5: probably in our best. 31 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 4: Interest to it. 32 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: I think we have a choice, Like we show up 33 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: on the shots, start taking. We've made the connect you 34 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: with Sam Amy joins us on the Yuma guest line 35 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: covers the NBA for the athletic what's going on, Sam? 36 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 3: How you doing? 37 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Man? 38 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 6: Good afternoon, guys doing well. Just juggling a little bit 39 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 6: of the new stuff here. But sorry for the delay. 40 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: Did anything good? Anything you want to break? 41 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean it's already, to be honest, kind 42 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: of already out there is. 43 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 6: It's a little bookkeeping thing with the Miami Heat with 44 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 6: Terry Rosier and his looking likely that he will not 45 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 6: be on the Heat's playoff roster. Not done just yet, 46 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 6: but it appears that will be the case. 47 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: Well. 48 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 5: The other news today significant for the Detroit Pistons. Kate 49 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 5: Cunningham going to be out for I guess the regular season. 50 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: We'll see about the postseason. With the collapse lung and 51 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: people are comparing it to I guess CJ. McCollum a 52 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: couple of years ago where you have the same situation 53 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 5: and you know it's hard to tell with people's timelines, 54 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 5: but what do you think this means, Sam when it 55 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: comes to his return and what it means for the 56 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: number one seed in the East with the Detroit Pistons. 57 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: No, it's tough, I mean, Cay, you know, it's funny. 58 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 6: There's been a bunch of great individual seasons this year. 59 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 2: His has been on the shore list. 60 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 6: And so much fun to see the Pistons kind of 61 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 6: having this renaissance and have it be so similar to 62 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 6: the nostalgia of the bad Boys Pistons and just how 63 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 6: tough and gritty this team is, you know, And I mean, shoot, 64 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 6: you know, Kate is a bigger, more physical guy than 65 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 6: Isaiah Thomas back in the day, but special in his 66 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 6: own right, and so you kind of would like to 67 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 6: see a guy like that have his moment in the 68 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 6: spotlight with momentum right like he's going to be back, 69 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 6: but you know, this is a serious condition or situation 70 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 6: that he's dealing with. Like you said, got McCallum on 71 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 6: threw it years ago. It's a big deal. And so 72 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 6: when he comes back it's going to be how is 73 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 6: he feeling? 74 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: Is he? 75 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 6: All the way back they were already scuffling a little bit, 76 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 6: at least by their kind of elite standards. You know, 77 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 6: the other part of this, guys, as you know, is 78 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 6: that it certainly kind of reignited the debate and the 79 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 6: conversation about the sixty five game rule because cade that 80 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 6: I think, sixty games and it's really unfortunate for a 81 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 6: guy like that that he's going to miss out on 82 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 6: all NBA because of this new stipulation, which should you know, 83 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 6: I think at the time, To be honest, I was 84 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 6: I liked the sixty five game rule. I understood why 85 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 6: they did it because I was tired of seeing guys 86 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 6: sit and load manage. But it has not, you know, 87 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 6: worked out in practice as they had planned, and guys 88 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 6: like Kate are paying a price. 89 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: I got to say, an inecure of the athletic choins 90 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: on the Yumanjeessla. And it's funny we just kind of 91 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: we're talking about that, we're discussing Mark Badness being such 92 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: a fun tournament, how much consistency there is, and it 93 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: seems to deliver in the same way every year in 94 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: that the NBA playoffs, in my opinion, have kind of 95 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: become the worst of the postseason tournaments. It's twenty teams 96 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: are involved in it. Now you've got Steve kersam maybe 97 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: too many games being played. They try to put the 98 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: stipulation in for awards, but as you point out, it 99 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: hasn't hasn't materialized in more games being played by these 100 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: guys are changing in how they. 101 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: See these awards. 102 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: So does the expansion of two more teams have any 103 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: impact on on the direction of the league in terms 104 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 3: of games played, travel, how they renavigate some of the stuff. 105 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's a it's a good question. 106 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 6: I just haven't heard that, you know, as part of 107 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 6: the talking points just yet, you know it. The schedule 108 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 6: thing is is it's funny we have our annual anonymous 109 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: player poll coming out in a couple of weeks here 110 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 6: and is a little sneak preview to that. 111 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: One of the questions is if you could be commissioner for. 112 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 6: A day and push one thing through, what might it be? 113 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 6: And it's you know, some of the answers will make 114 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 6: Steve Kerr smile because it's a lot of players indicating 115 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 6: that they'd like to see fewer games. 116 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: And I do wonder to your point, if you. 117 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 6: If you add two teams and the map gets a 118 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 6: little even more complicated. You know, how does that change 119 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 6: the conversation? But so far not hearing that. And I 120 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 6: think that, you know, the dilution of talent question is 121 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 6: certainly a fair one. It's hard to get I think, 122 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 6: to me like clarity on even my own opinion there 123 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 6: because there's not a true line between tanking and talent 124 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 6: level in the NBA, because you are willfully sitting, you know, 125 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 6: capable players in order to improve your draft stock. 126 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: That's different than just having a bunch of bad teams. 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 6: When Bean Outabayo puts eighty three on the Wizards, it's 128 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 6: not because they have no good players. It's because the 129 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 6: few good players they have we're sitting on a bench 130 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 6: and shut down for the year. 131 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: So you know, but I think that's another fair concern 132 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: as well. But you know, money. 133 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: Makes the world go round, and right now, the business 134 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 6: kind of perspective from the NBA makes sense for them, 135 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 6: and then they're going to afford ahead. 136 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: So interesting, Sam is we're watching the NFL now, I mean, 137 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: their goal and this sort of made this clear is 138 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: to get to sixteen international games a year, and then 139 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: you know the Niners are going to Australia and they're 140 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: gonna play again in Paris this year. They've done Brazil, 141 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: They're going to Mexico City. Like they've gone all over 142 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: the globe now and their goal is have every team 143 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 3: play one every year. The NBA to me seem like 144 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: the league that was growing globally faster at one point 145 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: by the NBA Africa League and all that that's happening. 146 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: You look at all the international players being the top 147 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: talent in the NBA as it stands right now, I 148 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: think you could name five or six as the best 149 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: players of the league before you even get to an 150 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: American and Anthony Edwards or something. What's the NBA's logic 151 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: and the expansion of the league at home versus overseas, 152 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 3: because it seems to me the overseas game is where 153 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: you can find more here. But the dilution of talent 154 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: is one thing. But what's their logic here in the 155 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: expansion here in the US. 156 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 6: It's those two things go together. Because so the NBA 157 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 6: Europe venture that the league is growing on at the moment, 158 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 6: the money on that excuse me on that front. Is 159 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 6: my understanding is is kind of putting them in a 160 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 6: more advantageous position to do expansion. I mean, first of all, 161 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 6: you know, the the expansion fees that come with this 162 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 6: are are pretty exorbitant until a lot of pockets are 163 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 6: going to get filled around the NBA for every single team. 164 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 6: But it is it is interesting to your point that 165 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 6: it wasn't too long ago that it seemed like the 166 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 6: NBA was going to go for the world domination route 167 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 6: themselves and to actually have you know, NBA teams on 168 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 6: the other side of the globe, on the other side 169 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 6: of the pond, you know, and even not to get 170 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 6: to like Jetsons on everybody. But there was a minute 171 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 6: when they started talking about, you know, could the supersonic 172 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 6: kind of flight come flay apart and we didn't know 173 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 6: where air travel was going. 174 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: And that that's just not feasible, you know what I mean. 175 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: So now it's plan B. 176 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 6: Is you have kind of a you know, assister product 177 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 6: if you will, on the other side of the pond 178 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 6: that has your brand on it. You make a bunch 179 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 6: of money that way by by kind of you know, 180 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 6: reshaping the euroleagues that have had a hard time making 181 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 6: money and then you know, you just go the expansion 182 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 6: route back home. Now, the backstory with the two cities 183 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 6: in question or in the spotlight with Vegas and Seattle 184 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 6: is obviously the Seattle. You get to finally put a 185 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 6: team back there and and right the wrong that was 186 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 6: the Sonics leaving town, and then Vegas has just been 187 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 6: it's it's long since become a partner of the league's, 188 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: you know, the Summer League being there every single year, 189 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: all Star Games, NBA Cups, things of that nature. You know, 190 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 6: they had this deep, long relationship with Sin City and 191 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 6: and you know now want to make that more of 192 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 6: a thing as well. 193 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: So we'll see how it goes. 194 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 5: Talk to Sam Amic on the UMA guest line. The 195 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: Warrior's still hopeful this offseason they could pull off the 196 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: Giannis trade. And we're always curious about what's going on 197 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 5: with Giannis and his relationship with the Bucks. They want 198 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 5: to shut him down for the rest of the season 199 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 5: with the Bucks pretty much being out of it and 200 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: he wants to play kind of a Max Crosby situation 201 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 5: going on. 202 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 4: But how do the Bucks view this right now? 203 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: Sam? 204 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 4: Where they are they trying to make it? Where they 205 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 4: don't want him to. 206 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 5: Play because they're in hopes of trading him this offseason, 207 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 5: or they're gonna do what he wants because they want 208 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 5: him ind fences at the moment, it's. 209 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: Interesting they yeah, I mean, not a good look. 210 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 6: You know, it's not been a great look all year, 211 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 6: but you didn't really have times when Giannis and the Bucks. 212 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 6: The reality of this situation is they are at odds 213 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 6: with with you know, the way they see his health 214 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 6: right now. He wants to play, and I mean, listen, 215 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 6: I've covered so much of his career. The reality is that, Okay, 216 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 6: the team is saying that he's not medically cleared, and 217 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 6: then he hyper extended his knee, and then it's black 218 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 6: and white that he should not be playing. He is 219 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 6: adamant that he is ready to go and that he 220 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 6: can play and that he should play. What I do, 221 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 6: you know, think is fair to highlight as context. 222 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,359 Speaker 2: Is that, you know, when they were in the NBA. 223 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 6: Finals against the Phoenix Suns and he had also hyper 224 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 6: extended his knee. You know, they were none too pleased 225 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 6: when he was able to drag his battered body out 226 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 6: there and play on the behalf of the Bucks because 227 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 6: of the stakes and he did that and it was 228 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 6: in sports terms, it was pretty heroic stuff, and then 229 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 6: won the championship. You know now that they need to 230 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 6: lose because the season is lost and it would help 231 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 6: their position draft wise. 232 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 2: Suddenly you know they don't want the heroics. 233 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 6: And when it comes to a guy like Giannis, who 234 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 6: a wants to compete if he can compete and be 235 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 6: you know, I think, and I can't read his mind, 236 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: I think if you look at the summertime and the 237 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 6: question of that, if he's gonna finally really push his 238 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 6: way out in a more aggressive type of way. The 239 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 6: optics of this situation, in my opinion, they make the 240 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 6: Bucks look like the bad guy and make it a 241 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 6: little bit easier for him to skip town where he 242 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 6: can say, look, they wouldn't even let me compete. So yeah, 243 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 6: it's it's frickly out there right now. But they are 244 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 6: absolutely at odds on this situation. 245 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: Is there a case for the deb she's doing this 246 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: with staff too. 247 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: I mean. 248 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 6: That's a good question, no, because I mean the drafts, 249 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 6: you know, incentive is not the same for the Warriors, 250 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 6: you know what I mean, It's just not And on 251 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 6: top of that, you know, I mean it's you have 252 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 6: a puncher's chance and you're gonna be on the tenth 253 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 6: spot the Bucks or they're. 254 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: They're deep in the eleventh spot. They're unofficially out of 255 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: this thing. 256 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 6: So you know that's the idea that would be more 257 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 6: akin to the Mavericks years ago. If you guys remember, oh, yeah, 258 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 6: although this well this, but it actually paid off. So 259 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 6: I mean, flat yeah, it worked. But you know that 260 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 6: was you know, seeing as kind of sacrilege that you 261 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 6: had to play in chance and you and you kind 262 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 6: of kick. 263 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: That away to me that the Warrior situation is different. 264 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 5: You always remember Jason kid that press conference announce everybody 265 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 5: that was gonna be out of that game Sam and 266 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 5: then saying, well, you know you you can't cheat the game. 267 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 5: It's like, well, yeah, that's exactly what you're doing, Jason. 268 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: You can't tell people you're cheating the game. 269 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: No, exactly. One more for you. 270 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 5: You wrote about Victor wiman Yama, and you know, if 271 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 5: he's not MVP, you know he truly is this season 272 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 5: with what he's accomplishing, and you know SGA a year 273 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 5: ago getting MVP in finals. MVP, he's the favorite right now. 274 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 5: But in the truest sense of MVP. Doesn't that belong to? 275 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 5: Because I know that maybe SGA is having a better season, 276 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 5: but taking a team that was below five hundred and 277 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 5: now that the two seed in the Western Conference, I 278 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: would say he's kind of epitomizing what an MVP is. 279 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 5: At the same time, do you think that writers this 280 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 5: time around would have it's only one year removed Sam, 281 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 5: but would they have SGA fatigue after. 282 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: One year of him getting MVP? 283 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: I'll thank the last question first. 284 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 6: I don't think so, And I'm probably a good case 285 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 6: study for that because you know, honestly, at times SGA's 286 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 6: you know, antics and salvating have driven me crazy. 287 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Like they have a lot of the fans. 288 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 6: But my goodness, you know, the way that he took 289 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 6: on that challenge of Joker and the Nuggets last week 290 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 6: and hitting you know, kind of unofficially two game winners 291 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 6: in the same game, and and just the way he's 292 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 6: competed and played for quite some time now, I was 293 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 6: very comfortable voting for him again and probably would still 294 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 6: right now. To your point though about Webby, Admittedly, when 295 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 6: I wrote this column, I was kind of straddling defense 296 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 6: of like, all right, is this an MVP column most 297 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 6: Valuable Player or am I riding a most Valuable Person column? 298 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 6: Because I do believe that a lot of the things 299 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 6: he's done this season have really helped the NBA when 300 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 6: it comes to its pr and the optics around the league. 301 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 6: He's been a real bright spot amid a bunch of controversies. 302 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 6: But when you dig in on the basketball stuff, I'm 303 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 6: kind of with you, Derek that I was like, Man, 304 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 6: I mean net ratings, Just to give a few quick stats, 305 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 6: the net rating swing for both guys tells you just, 306 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 6: you know, point blank how they look when the guys 307 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 6: on the floor versus off. The Spurs are sixteen points 308 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 6: better with Wemby on versus off with SGA. It's just 309 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 6: shy of ten, a pretty significant margin between the two. 310 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 6: And it's the defense. Like, the bigger conversation is why 311 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 6: don't we, you know, why don't we continue to undervalue. 312 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Defense in this game? 313 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 6: Because what Wenby does on that side is tremendous and 314 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 6: it far exceeds what SGA provides for the Thunder on 315 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 6: the defensive side. And then you talk about narratives like, yeah, 316 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 6: a team that had thirty eight wins last year didn't 317 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 6: make the playoffs looking like an actual title contender, and 318 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 6: I think the only chance he has is they've got 319 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 6: to pass the Thunder in the standings and have the 320 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 6: league's best record, because that will force voters to really 321 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 6: look at it. I don't think the voter fatigue thing 322 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 6: is there yet with SGA. I think most people are 323 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 6: are pretty comfortable voting for him. 324 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: Boys, you hear Sam, and it covers the NBA for 325 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: the athletic makes you're reading him following him, Sam, I 326 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: appreciate the time as always, enjoy the weekend, and we'll 327 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: talk to you next week. 328 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: Thanks Sam, all right, boys, be good, Thank you. 329 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: You go the great Sam a maker of the athletic. Yeah, 330 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: I hear among the difference between the situation the Warriors 331 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: and the Bucks are in. But I think just in 332 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: terms of like what you're hoping for for the future, 333 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: it's sort of I think there's a case to be made. 334 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: But for the season itself, No, it's a much different 335 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: different spot. Both organizations are in where Yeah, Giannis may 336 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: be traded this offseason, that's not the case for Steph either. 337 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, they're. 338 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: Looking for value here and also draft pick status versus 339 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: the Warriors where they're not looking for that pick to 340 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: change their fortunes next year. 341 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 4: I mean, it'll get me wrong. 342 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 5: I want stuff to return and then we have a 343 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: better chance of that playing game where it's probably gonna 344 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: be nine versus ten. But it's only you know, it 345 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: only increased their chances by a little. 346 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: Bit at this point with OK, is that what you're 347 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: staring done? 348 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: I mean, I even think that's a tall order where 349 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 5: I don't even know if they're gonna beat the ninth 350 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 5: seed in this planet. 351 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: That's kind of where I'm at. 352 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: A SI what you get out of that and you 353 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: gotta beat another team, you get a date with OK? 354 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? Cool? 355 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 5: And I have no idea, like sick, Let's be honest, 356 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: I have no idea how STEP's gonna play with uh 357 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 5: Christaps porzingis at all, Like he still needs that acclamation, Perio. 358 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: He's probably gonna get it because Tegus Pengers. 359 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 5: Yeah tekas ping is because sham Shawani yesterday said that 360 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 5: most likely he's gonna come back by the end. 361 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 4: Of the month here, But I don't know how it's 362 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: gonna look. 363 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 2: He's in tenders. 364 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna run around, Yeah, you find me you 365 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: Basically it's. 366 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 4: With Steph Curry. But some guys can't play with Steph Curry. 367 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: He's off the ball. Adam Copland deep pop Dan done 368 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 3: with us. We did his double dip just a little 369 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: while ago. I feel good being one to know in 370 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: my first dip. Yeah, take pride in that it felt good. 371 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: You've how many dips have you done? Anything like four? 372 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: I've done on a little dips here, I've I've done. 373 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: One against me, one against Silver, yes, one against uh 374 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: I filled. 375 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: Its tip, Pops left early. I did one. Do we 376 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: do want with Ted Dan? 377 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 5: No? 378 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: Yes, uh, I don't know if we didn't want to tag. Yeah, 379 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: we did Tittle and we did Krueger. So I think 380 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: this was. 381 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: Your fifth then me Silver, Tittle, Krueger fourth, oh, fourth, 382 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: So you're one and three three. 383 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: Yes, that's a tough deal in this. Well we'll start 384 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: off good. Yeah. Well Dan's a hard judge. 385 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you that there's parameters that you weren't. 386 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 3: You gotta like you have to pay attention to his 387 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: exact rules. Give me one example. 388 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 5: Well, he gave me a point because I went first. 389 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 5: I should I guess I should go first every time 390 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: you kind of. 391 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: Got sort of the one point you got was kind 392 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: of sad too, sort of sorry, what just by going first? 393 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was a good point though. 394 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 3: We'll take a quick break when we come on back. 395 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 5: Nothing for Khalil mack in or cesspitus Jesus. 396 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 3: Since you know tomorrow we have we have our show 397 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: at Jack's Restaurant and Bar in Newark. Come on out 398 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: by New Park Mall, come on by, say what up. 399 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: We're gonna be eating, drinking, watching March Madness. Giving an 400 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 3: update on some of the March Madness games going on 401 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: right now North Carolina against VCU the eleven six matchup. 402 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: The Rams trail by four right now, nine minutes to 403 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: play in the first half. We've got some of that 404 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: going on over on my Kohler's k MBR ten fifty. 405 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: But what we also have to get into is tomorrow 406 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: is the deadline for the Trent Williams ten million dollar 407 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: contract bonus? Right yes, is this Trent Williams thinking to 408 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 3: be ironed out or figured out by tomorrow? 409 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 4: Run out of time here because I think it's midnight. 410 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 4: By to night, they can. 411 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: Also push that deadline. We'll find out more talk a 412 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: bit about this, we'll give you the update. And people 413 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: are asking, outside of Jack Tomorrow, how are they spending 414 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: their weekend? And even without Tim here, Dan Dunn has 415 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 3: delivered and you can be our Dirty Work unsponsored Area 416 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: weekend sports calendar that's coming your way next. 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