WEBVTT - SpaceX and Tesla Explore Merger!

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<v Speaker 1>all of your favorite podcast platforms. Breaking news this afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla stock moving higher in after-hours trading after Tesla CEO

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<v Speaker 1>and SpaceX CEO and pretty much CEO of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>CEO Elon Musk, revealing that the company is engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>merger talks with SpaceX. Elon Musk saying on SpaceX's third

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<v Speaker 1>quarter earnings call just a little while ago that both

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<v Speaker 1>the rocket launch company and the EV maker Tesla had

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<v Speaker 1>created special committees now made up of independent board directors.

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<v Speaker 1>to explore a possible merger. Elon Musk, as CEO and

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<v Speaker 1>a major shareholder, of course, in both Tesla and SpaceX,

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<v Speaker 1>has not officially clued into the talks, he said. Shares

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<v Speaker 1>of SpaceX moving higher here in after-hours trading, up more than,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, up more than $ 10, looks like for SpaceX,

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<v Speaker 1>$ 158 and change. Tesla had moved up today, up nearly

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<v Speaker 1>$ 6 at $ 370, $ 371. SpaceX stock moving higher after the

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<v Speaker 1>company announced revenue grew 161%, by the way, in the

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<v Speaker 1>third quarter. Elon Musk also said that SpaceX and Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>had formed special committees to discuss a merger, and we

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<v Speaker 1>saw the stock move higher following that announcement. The overall

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<v Speaker 1>stock market getting a boost today on slightly lower oil prices.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dow came in for a closing gain of 530 points.

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<v Speaker 1>The S &amp; P 500 up 22. The Nasdaq slipped 6%.

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<v Speaker 1>Oil prices ended the session slightly lower, with oil in

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<v Speaker 1>New York quoted down nearly 2% on the day to

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<v Speaker 1>101 and change. Higher in London, that Brent crude, that

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<v Speaker 1>global benchmark's been hovering around $ 109 a barrel. The earnings

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<v Speaker 1>parade continued, by the way, today, with shares of Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>moving down more than 5%. After Netflix reported third quarter

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<v Speaker 1>revenue that was pretty much in line with analysts' expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>Sales came up 12% year over year. We'll be keeping

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on Netflix here. On the Iran war, President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump slamming Iran as peace talks remain unclear. The Iranian

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister says Iran and Russia have never worked as

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<v Speaker 1>closely together as they are now. Secretary of State Rubio

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<v Speaker 1>accusing Iran of attacking commercial ships in the Strait of

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<v Speaker 1>Hormuz and targeting civilian crews. On another front, President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>warned the president of Ukraine of consequences if he refuses

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<v Speaker 1>to negotiate an end to the war with Russia. We're

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<v Speaker 1>following all these headlines closely and we'll discuss what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>with the retired U.S.

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<v Speaker 2>Marine Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Colonel Harold Kempfer, former Marine Corps intelligence officer and

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<v Speaker 1>currently host of the Strat podcast. Colonel Kempfer will be

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<v Speaker 1>joining us live later this hour. On the economy, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot to talk about, including the announcement by L.A.

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor Karen Bass today. announcing plans to allow LADWP customers

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<v Speaker 1>to pay what they can afford right now. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>she said. She's also asking the LADWP board to pause

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<v Speaker 1>shutoffs of power through the end of the year for

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<v Speaker 1>customers facing eye-popping bills after the recent record heat wave.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll discuss that and more with prominent local economist Kevin Clouden,

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<v Speaker 1>fellow at the Milken Institute in Santa Monica. But first

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<v Speaker 1>on your money, the markets, the economy, and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>works now, SpaceX, Tesla, and you name it. Joining us live,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Ives, partner and senior managing director, tech analyst at

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkville Ives, highly sought-after expert around the world, world traveler extraordinaire, fashionista, too,

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<v Speaker 1>with his own clothing line at Daniel Ives, or danives.danivesclothing.com,

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<v Speaker 1>that is. Best-dressed guy on Wall Street. And, Daniel Ives,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for taking the call here this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, great to be here, Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, take it from the top on the big SpaceX,

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla news. Give us your reaction today. to the earnings

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<v Speaker 1>call this afternoon?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, we've thought this was over an 80%

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<v Speaker 3>chance that SpaceX and Tesla would ultimately merge. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think Musk talking about it, I think confirms,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a matter of when, not if. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at SpaceX in terms of what they delivered,

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<v Speaker 3>massive results that just show they're turning this into a hyperscaler,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's good news for the rest of tech.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you see this playing out then, now that

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk says it's a good idea, I believe is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the way he said it, and they've formed committees now.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you expect this to play out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir. I think the committees are going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to ultimately look at essentially what's the price, like what

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<v Speaker 3>price would work for shareholders. Does it make sense? There'll

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<v Speaker 3>be some back and forth, but I think it really

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<v Speaker 3>just comes down to terms, in terms of where this

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<v Speaker 3>gets bought. Because for Musk, it makes so much sense

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<v Speaker 3>that this is all under one roof. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's part of the broader vision that he's always had,

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<v Speaker 3>to have all that AI technology essentially under one company.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so we're seeing SpaceX stock move higher in

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<v Speaker 1>after-hours trading. As well as Tesla, by the way. Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>shares up about $ 7 now at $ 3. 80 and change. SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>stock up more than $ 10 at $ 1. 58 and change. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you see ahead for those stocks?

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<v Speaker 3>I see bullishness. We'll get Tesla tomorrow, but Tesla really

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<v Speaker 3>right now, they're trying to convert to an AI player.

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<v Speaker 3>This is all part of the vision that they would

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<v Speaker 3>do themselves. as well as obviously be accelerated in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the merger potentially with SpaceX. But when you look

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<v Speaker 3>at SpaceX itself, I think this is a seismic number

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of tech. If you think about the

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<v Speaker 3>jitters this week, core weave, and just what we see

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of the tech trade, you need to see

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<v Speaker 3>validation from the hyperscalers, validation from big tech. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>essentially what you saw front and center from SpaceX.

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<v Speaker 1>The other big news related to SpaceX, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty significant. Elon Musk says he's going to give SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>stock to every kid in America. How's that going to work?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I mean, obviously it follows sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Dell model, what he's sort of laid out. But look,

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<v Speaker 3>and then even the amount of anthropic in terms of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they talked about in terms of some of

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<v Speaker 3>the founders, their sort of donation to, you know, public good. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it speaks to just this environment that we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing where first time in 30 years, the US is

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<v Speaker 3>headed to China when it comes to tech. And these

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<v Speaker 3>companies that are leading it, I think it's the right

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<v Speaker 3>move because also it speaks to even the political environment

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<v Speaker 3>where the average person wants to make sure that when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to AI, it's not just about the billionaires.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you've talked about it. more jobs would be

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<v Speaker 3>created by AI than taken away over the next five years.

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<v Speaker 1>On the air live with Daniel Ives and leading tech

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<v Speaker 1>analyst here, live with us on the air here, tech

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<v Speaker 1>analyst at Yorkville Ives. And obviously it's a busy week

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<v Speaker 1>for tech earnings. You mentioned Tesla tomorrow. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>expect tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's, What we see for Towson's broader tech,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's all really about them converting into much

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<v Speaker 3>more of an autonomous player. CyberCab, the fleet, really to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of see this transition into much more of an

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<v Speaker 3>AI player. And I think that's why the stock's underperformed,

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<v Speaker 3>because they're in this sort of air pocket stage. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think tomorrow is a big step forward, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I expect to see.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, following that impressive demonstration recently where the Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>flew around with jets, that was pretty impressive, right? And

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<v Speaker 1>what do you expect the follow-up to be with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look, I think it's important because this is, look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a pivotal time to ultimately really show in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of this AI race who's ahead. And I think investors

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<v Speaker 3>are sort of looking for to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>who the winners are from the losers. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's this tech earnings season that's going to play. And

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<v Speaker 3>not just from Tesla, Meta, and many others.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It was jets or rocket, probably rocket thrusters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that were around that car. So that rocket car that

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<v Speaker 1>flipped around there, that was very, very impressive. And Any

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<v Speaker 1>other insights as to when you'll be driving one of those?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if the roadster, look, I think the roadster, again,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not necessarily moving the needle in terms of numbers

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<v Speaker 3>right now, but 2028, like, first of all, that shows

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<v Speaker 3>the synergies between SpaceX, Tesla. And, again, I can see

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<v Speaker 3>MoTeC driving that thing around L.A., Beverly Hills, 2028. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that is something I think it's a matter of when,

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<v Speaker 3>not if.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. And the police then will have to get

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<v Speaker 1>their own rocket vehicles. The police chases of the future

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly a little sort of night rider modern day.

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<v Speaker 1>All right what about uh the other big names that

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<v Speaker 1>you're following this week uh anything else what about netflix

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<v Speaker 1>with its earnings and that sector that's been under so

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<v Speaker 1>much pressure with uh with Skydance stock having a rough

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<v Speaker 1>debut on Wall Street now that the merger has occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>What about that sector here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look, I think when it comes to Netflix, like,

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<v Speaker 3>strong numbers, but competition's rising. You know, you try to

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<v Speaker 3>understand the ad business in terms of what that ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>will sort of play out and look like. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think good numbers, but maybe Street was hoping for more

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<v Speaker 3>But when you think about Paramount and you think about

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<v Speaker 3>just rising competition, I think that right now for Netflix,

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time, obviously, in so many years, you're

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<v Speaker 3>really starting to see competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like Skydance did move higher today after the recent

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<v Speaker 1>sell-off of $ 0. 30 to $ 7.

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<v Speaker 4>10.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on that one and also Netflix?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, Netflix, we.

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<v Speaker 3>We, of course, like Netflix longer term, just near term

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<v Speaker 3>because of the ad business. We continue to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd rather own other tech names than Netflix here, especially

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<v Speaker 3>AI exposed ones from Meta to Microsoft to Tesla, SpaceX.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of just skydance, just everything we see here, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it all comes down, everyone's trying to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what this is going to look like from a

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<v Speaker 3>content perspective. I think it's It definitely feels like there's

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<v Speaker 3>optimism in terms of what this is all going to

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<v Speaker 3>look like. But then it comes down to execution. In

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<v Speaker 3>a deal like this, that's where I think investors need

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<v Speaker 3>to see from Allison and everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at Netflix here, after hours moving lower by nearly

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<v Speaker 1>$ 4 at $ 64 and change. That was Daniel Ives, partner

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<v Speaker 1>and senior managing director, tech analyst at Yorkville Ives. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>world traveler extraordinaire in the fashionista, too. You've probably seen

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<v Speaker 1>him on CNBC many times. Very well dressed at danibesclothing.com.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll try to get Dan back on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, we thank him very, very much and appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time that we had today. The Dow coming in

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<v Speaker 1>for a closing gain today of 530 points at 52,495.

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<v Speaker 1>The S &amp; P 500 of 22 at 7,713. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Nasdaq slipping six points today at $ 26, 425, the yield

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<v Speaker 1>on the 10-year note, which we've been watching closely lately,

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<v Speaker 1>at 5.11%. I was going to talk to him about

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<v Speaker 1>the cryptos here. We're watching Bitcoin at the moment, just

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<v Speaker 1>shy of $ 83, 000, $ 82, 900. ETH at the moment at $ 2, 448,

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<v Speaker 1>and DOGE hanging in there at $ 0.

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<v Speaker 4>08.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the latest on your ride this afternoon here

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<v Speaker 1>on 790 KBC. The Attack on Money continues here at

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<v Speaker 1>790k ABC, recapping our top story. Tesla and SpaceX could

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<v Speaker 1>be merging someday. Tesla shares as well as SpaceX shares

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<v Speaker 1>moving higher after Elon Musk revealed that companies are engaging

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<v Speaker 1>in merger talks. Tesla and SpaceX continuing the conversation here

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<v Speaker 1>now with top tech analyst Daniel Ives, senior managing director,

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<v Speaker 1>tech analyst at Yorkville Ives. Dan, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming back to the line here. Another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>might have come up in the earnings call SpaceX had

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<v Speaker 1>is the telecom aspect. Remember, it was just about a

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<v Speaker 1>week or so ago that the legacy wireless and telecom

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<v Speaker 1>companies took a hit as SpaceX announced it had reached

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<v Speaker 1>a deal to acquire a nationwide low-band spectrum license portfolio.

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<v Speaker 1>What about that part of the story today?

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I think if we were on Starlink, maybe the

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<v Speaker 4>call wouldn't have dropped, right? I think, look, but this

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<v Speaker 4>speaks to, like, Musk is not stopping here. Like, when

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<v Speaker 4>you think about where this is all heading, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you see it in terms of, you know, obviously where

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<v Speaker 4>so many fleets, United, American Airlines. But when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to telecommunication, like, they're going to, it's going to go

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<v Speaker 4>after the carriers. I mean, that's the next step.

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<v Speaker 1>On the air live with Daniel Ives. And it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like we see both SpaceX and Tesla shares moving higher.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of action are you expecting tomorrow with these names?

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<v Speaker 4>I think they'll both be up big because look, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>there'll be some arbitrage in terms of the complications with

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<v Speaker 4>the deal, but I think it's 80 to 90% that

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<v Speaker 4>SpaceX and Tesla ultimately walk down the aisle and, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>probably over the next six months. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all going to be now the analysis to see

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<v Speaker 4>if that happens. And I think very likely what that

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<v Speaker 4>price is for Tesla.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Right now, Tesla shares are moving higher by

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<v Speaker 1>about 650 or so after hours and SpaceX up about

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<v Speaker 1>$ 10 in after hours trading. What about Tesla and SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>and crypto. Has Elon Musk said anything about Doge lately

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<v Speaker 1>or anything crypto related?

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<v Speaker 4>No, but I will say, I mean, I think in

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<v Speaker 4>this risk on that we're seeing play on, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it is positive for crypto. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen a lot of volatility, not just in crypto,

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<v Speaker 4>but just what we see in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously sky high oil prices, what's happened with the 10

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<v Speaker 4>year But this is important in terms of this risk-on trade,

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<v Speaker 4>not just for tech, but I think ultimately what we'll

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<v Speaker 4>see for crypto as well, which is sort of, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>at technical levels, that could see it go a lot higher.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. We saw that nice bounce for cryptos recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the air has come out. Bitcoin right now

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<v Speaker 1>hovering at around just below 83K ETH at around 24.48,

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<v Speaker 1>Doge at 8 cents. What's the outlook here on the cryptos?

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<v Speaker 4>I think pretty positive, but it's an important few months

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<v Speaker 4>ahead because the big focus is can you get to

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<v Speaker 4>100K in Bitcoin? You've seen Ethereum have obviously a significant

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<v Speaker 4>move here as well. But Frank, like I said, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's all pieces of a puzzle because it's not

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<v Speaker 4>just crypto in isolation. It's what's happened with the 10-year.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what's happened with commodities. It's where oil is going.

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<v Speaker 4>I think these are all factors. You know, wars, does

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<v Speaker 4>it look like we have a hike at the next meeting?

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<v Speaker 4>I think these are all very important that are all

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<v Speaker 4>playing around to where I believe we'll ultimately see crypto

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<v Speaker 4>go higher.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to put the audience to sleep talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the yield on the 10-year right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is important. You're absolutely right. So we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at 5.11%.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you see ahead there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think likely we get a hike at the

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<v Speaker 4>next meeting. But I still believe the path is, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>mid-fours for the 10-year. I think it's very, very high

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of what we've seen play out here. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're going to start to see this come

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<v Speaker 4>down as we go into the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just think there's points when you take out oil–

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<v Speaker 4>Do you start to have inflation that then starts to cool?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's sort of right now the big narrative

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<v Speaker 4>that investors are all focused on.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Next Fed meeting, meaning this month or the next one?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this month. I think call it an 80 percent

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<v Speaker 4>chance now that we see a hike on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>See you tonight. Read about it tomorrow. But hear it

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<v Speaker 1>now on MoTeC on money. Any specific places, Daniel Ives,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're putting money now and or taking it off

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<v Speaker 1>the table?

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<v Speaker 4>It's tech. I mean, when you think about this earnings

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<v Speaker 4>season called the next week and a half, it will

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<v Speaker 4>be a validation for what we're seeing in AI. And

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<v Speaker 4>I've always said, look, the bears have called 10 of

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<v Speaker 4>the last two downturns. This is a fourth industrial revolution.

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<v Speaker 4>It's playing out in front.

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<v Speaker 2>Of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Ives, thank you very much for coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>the line here with us live, and I look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to our next conversation. We wish you a great evening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I look forward to seeing you again very soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Daniel Ives. Thank you, Daniel Ives,

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<v Speaker 1>partner and senior managing director, tech analyst at Yorkville Ives.

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<v Speaker 1>Live with us here on MoTeC on Money on 790 KABC.

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<v Speaker 1>MoTeC on Money continues here, 790 KABC. Doing it live,

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<v Speaker 1>live at five here. Great speaking with Daniel Ives a

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<v Speaker 1>moment ago about today's market action. Switching now to what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening with oil in the Middle East and the price

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<v Speaker 1>of diesel, which recently kissed a record high over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and is still flirting with the all-time highs. We're

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<v Speaker 1>watching what's happening with the Middle East with President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Iran today at the White House. President slamming

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<v Speaker 1>Iran today as peace talks remain still unclear, accusing Iran

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<v Speaker 1>of killing Americans with roadside bombs and hanging protesters from cranes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranian foreign minister says that Iran and Russia have

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<v Speaker 1>never worked as closely together as they are now, as

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<v Speaker 1>we follow the latest headlines here, including the latest Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News headlines here, embattled French President Macron has pinned some

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<v Speaker 1>of the blame on the U.S. war in Iran for

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<v Speaker 1>the widespread riots and looting unfolding across France. Qatar says

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<v Speaker 1>peace talks between the U.S. and Iran are ongoing, but

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<v Speaker 1>neither side has confirmed the negotiations. We also heard from

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Rubio accusing Iran of attacking Iran commercial

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<v Speaker 1>ships in the Strait of Hormuz. On another front, we're

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<v Speaker 1>watching what's happening between Russia and Ukraine. The president spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time talking about that today, warning the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukrainian leader of consequences if he refuses to negotiate an

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<v Speaker 1>end to the war with Russia. The president said that

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<v Speaker 1>hatred between President Putin and the president of Ukraine, Zelensky,

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<v Speaker 1>is a major obstacle to ending the war in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining us live now, is retired U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Health Kemper, former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, currently

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Strat Podcast, based here in Southern California. Colonel,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much once again for taking the call

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<v Speaker 1>here this evening.

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<v Speaker 5>Frank, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Let's go to Russia and Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, with President Trump spending quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of time discussing that as the death toll monthly is absolutely...

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<v Speaker 1>horrific as that war continues. What's your assessment of what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening there?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think the biggest thing that came out today

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<v Speaker 5>is that President Zelensky says that the Starlink or StarShield,

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<v Speaker 5>which is a military version of Starlink, that the feeds

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<v Speaker 5>are now back to where they were before. That does

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<v Speaker 5>a number of things. It helps them with launching drones

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<v Speaker 5>against Russian positions, but also Sounds like the intelligence feeds

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<v Speaker 5>to include the early warning system of ballistic missile launches

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<v Speaker 5>by Russia is back to normal again, too. That was

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<v Speaker 5>a big problem. That was a crucial early warning thing

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<v Speaker 5>that would allow people to evacuate buildings and hence the death,

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<v Speaker 5>not just the damage, but the death and the suffering

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<v Speaker 5>had increased dramatically because people just didn't get any warning

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<v Speaker 5>that the missiles were coming in. That's back to where

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<v Speaker 5>it was. The question is, what caused it? Wall Street

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<v Speaker 5>Journal is saying that Elon Musk or the shutdown. Of course,

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<v Speaker 5>Elon Musk had earlier said, no, he has no control

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<v Speaker 5>over that. That's a White House or Pentagon decision, but

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<v Speaker 5>that appears to have been at least fixed, although no

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<v Speaker 5>one knows what exactly the cause is. A lot of

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<v Speaker 5>back and forth between President Trump and President Zelensky, but

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<v Speaker 5>Aside from that, we're still buying the diesel. That seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be going forward. Big talk of a trilateral meeting

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<v Speaker 5>coinciding with an international conference in Beijing where President Xi, Putin,

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<v Speaker 5>and President Trump will all be there. And so they

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<v Speaker 5>may sit down and talk about a number of things

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<v Speaker 5>to include Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine is not thrilled about

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<v Speaker 5>the fact they're talking about Ukraine without Ukraine being there.

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<v Speaker 5>But that seems to be about where it's going. Also,

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<v Speaker 5>they had a big meeting today. Steve Witkoff came in.

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<v Speaker 5>He had a number of European leaders. President Zelensky was there.

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<v Speaker 5>And there appears to have been a lot of discussion

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<v Speaker 5>to include a phone call that was made with President

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<v Speaker 5>Zelensky and Secretary of State Rubio. And that may have

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<v Speaker 5>also been part of getting everything back to where it

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<v Speaker 5>was in terms of the Star Shield, Starlink feeds and

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<v Speaker 5>everything else. So war continues.

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<v Speaker 1>See you tonight. Read about it tomorrow. But here now

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<v Speaker 1>on the air live with retired U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Hal Kemper. Yes, according to the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Elon Musk who ordered a slowdown of Starlink

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<v Speaker 1>service used by Ukraine's military. Have you had a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to take a look at that report? And what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think is going on here?

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<v Speaker 5>I have had a chance to look at it. And

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<v Speaker 5>the thing that seems to come up is that when

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<v Speaker 5>this got into the press, when it got into, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was being carried by publicly into the media, that

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<v Speaker 5>Musk and President Trump had a phone call. And it

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<v Speaker 5>was certainly implied that they had a phone call prior

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<v Speaker 5>to going public again, public. So it may be that

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<v Speaker 5>out of that prior phone call, that's where the decision

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<v Speaker 5>was to slow down the feeds. Somewhere, somebody made a

0:24:15.830 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 5>decision to slow down the feeds. Obviously, Musk owns Starlink.

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<v Speaker 5>The Starshield system is Musk-owned, but it's also controlled by

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<v Speaker 5>the Pentagon. And somehow, that feed got slowed down, and

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<v Speaker 5>that just caused huge problems. And I think we're going

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<v Speaker 5>to find out. I think there's calls for congressional investigation,

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<v Speaker 5>and hopefully out of that, we'll find out exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And supposedly it blocked connections for objects traveling faster than

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<v Speaker 1>100 miles an hour and impaired Ukrainian drone and interceptor operations.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I read, the New York Post apparently is

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<v Speaker 1>also on this story now. So very interesting and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>relates to modern warfare, how important those connections are.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. In fact, you know, warfare is changing so dramatically.

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<v Speaker 5>But the problem is that when they would send out interceptors,

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<v Speaker 5>that the feeds would just stop, so the interceptors were

0:25:13.590 --> 0:25:18.109
<v Speaker 5>not as effective in stopping or intercepting incoming drones. One

0:25:18.130 --> 0:25:19.810
<v Speaker 5>of the big things is the Russians are using these

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<v Speaker 5>Jaron jet-powered drones, and they just weren't as effective in

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<v Speaker 5>doing that. That's still a problem with those jet-powered drones. And,

0:25:28.890 --> 0:25:32.130
<v Speaker 5>of course, the other side is ballistic missiles. That doesn't

0:25:32.170 --> 0:25:36.980
<v Speaker 5>appear so much tied to the Starshield system. as another

0:25:37.020 --> 0:25:40.300
<v Speaker 5>system that we have that detects ballistic missile launches. But

0:25:40.340 --> 0:25:43.459
<v Speaker 5>that also appeared to have been either shut down or

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<v Speaker 5>slowed down dramatically. So they weren't getting those feeds either.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. We heard President Trump discussing the Iran situation,

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<v Speaker 1>that this thing is going to end nicely, as he

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<v Speaker 1>put it, or not so nicely. What do you see

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<v Speaker 1>the end game here, Colonel? It looks like after the

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<v Speaker 1>midterm election, which is hard to believe, is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>It's two weeks away. I don't think anything's going to

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<v Speaker 5>end particularly nicely, but President Trump does have a certain

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<v Speaker 5>way of phrasing these things. But the question is, are

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<v Speaker 5>we going to go back to full kinetics? There's a

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 5>number of calls out there to go back to full

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<v Speaker 5>kinetics again. Of course, the problem that we just can't

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<v Speaker 5>get over is that we can't produce any more Patriot missiles,

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<v Speaker 5>any PAC-3 missiles. production line things any faster than we are.

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<v Speaker 5>That's impacting across the board. That doesn't just hit the

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<v Speaker 5>Strait of Hormuz and our Persian Gulf allies. It hits

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<v Speaker 5>everywhere in the world. It hurts our stocks in Europe.

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<v Speaker 5>It hits particularly our stocks that we have for Asia.

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<v Speaker 5>And so there is a price to be paid for

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<v Speaker 5>going back to full kinetics because Iran can and will

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<v Speaker 5>retaliate by hitting critical infrastructure and hitting other things out there.

0:27:03.420 --> 0:27:06.899
<v Speaker 5>Iran is still hitting ships. Most of the ships are

0:27:06.940 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 5>getting through. There is a lot of oil coming out.

0:27:10.060 --> 0:27:11.460
<v Speaker 5>One of the problems is you're not seeing as much

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.850
<v Speaker 5>refined product coming out, which, of course, is diesel is

0:27:15.290 --> 0:27:19.230
<v Speaker 5>one of the big things there. And that impacts dramatically

0:27:19.250 --> 0:27:23.870
<v Speaker 5>the price of diesel worldwide. So that's a problem. You know,

0:27:24.010 --> 0:27:31.129
<v Speaker 5>I saw something, the commander, U.S. Central Command, basically was

0:27:31.150 --> 0:27:33.790
<v Speaker 5>saying that 97% of the ships are getting out of

0:27:33.869 --> 0:27:39.570
<v Speaker 5>the Strait of Hormuz without Iran targeting them. But I

0:27:39.869 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 5>looked at that, I said, well, that means 3% of

0:27:41.820 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 5>the ships are being targeted by Iran. That's a pretty

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 5>high percentage. And certainly when you look at maritime risk,

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.540
<v Speaker 5>that would be a particularly high percentage. And of course,

0:27:50.580 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 5>if I was doing risk insurance, I would look at

0:27:54.010 --> 0:27:56.850
<v Speaker 5>that and put a premium on that if you had

0:27:56.890 --> 0:28:00.380
<v Speaker 5>that high of a high of a targeting rate, but

0:28:00.540 --> 0:28:03.180
<v Speaker 5>it's better than what it was. And it does say

0:28:03.220 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 5>that a lot of ships are getting out of there.

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.060
<v Speaker 1>On the air live with retired U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.379
<v Speaker 1>Colonel Hal Kempra. On another front, the Houthi attacks on

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:17.530
<v Speaker 1>Saudi infrastructure continue following that dramatic attack on the Riyadh

0:28:17.570 --> 0:28:22.890
<v Speaker 1>airport recently. What's happening there and how are the chess

0:28:22.930 --> 0:28:25.110
<v Speaker 1>pieces positioned on that board at the moment?

0:28:26.100 --> 0:28:30.340
<v Speaker 5>Well, some pretty fascinating chess pieces. The internationally recognized humanity

0:28:30.380 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 5>government is making great progress along the land, the coastal

0:28:34.619 --> 0:28:38.660
<v Speaker 5>area around the Babamandeb Strait. I don't know if they've

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:42.219
<v Speaker 5>taken that key city yet. They're already up there for

0:28:42.290 --> 0:28:45.690
<v Speaker 5>quite some time, Mocha. We'll find out if they take

0:28:45.730 --> 0:28:48.690
<v Speaker 5>that port, but they've been making pretty good progress. The

0:28:48.850 --> 0:28:53.290
<v Speaker 5>UAE Because of some of the interesting stuff, it wasn't

0:28:53.350 --> 0:28:56.340
<v Speaker 5>just the Houthis versus the Yemeni government. There was actually

0:28:56.380 --> 0:28:58.300
<v Speaker 5>a lot of different factions, a lot of different militias.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.180
<v Speaker 5>They all came together this last year and said, look,

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 5>we've got to work together as one against the Houthis.

0:29:06.740 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 5>But there's a lot of disparate parts in there.

0:29:09.580 --> 0:29:10.500
<v Speaker 3>The UAE was.

0:29:10.420 --> 0:29:13.430
<v Speaker 5>Back, and the militia that is key to this Bab

0:29:13.450 --> 0:29:18.650
<v Speaker 5>al-Mandeb Strait thing They're paying them now, and they seem

0:29:18.670 --> 0:29:21.660
<v Speaker 5>to be making some progress, although the city of Taiz

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 5>is surrounded by Houthis. They're trying to get through and

0:29:24.460 --> 0:29:28.340
<v Speaker 5>leave that. But we are seeing a lot of progress

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.700
<v Speaker 5>with the U.K. sending in typhoon jets to help protect

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:39.610
<v Speaker 5>Saudi Arabia, and there's a number of international groups, Egypt, Pakistan,

0:29:39.690 --> 0:29:43.660
<v Speaker 5>and and possibly Turkey may join in to help defend

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 5>Saudi Arabia, which will free up Saudi forces to help

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.959
<v Speaker 5>more directly, uh, support the Yemeni government forces.

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:51.420
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:29:51.940 --> 0:29:53.959
<v Speaker 1>A lot going on, Colonel. Well, thank you very much

0:29:54.140 --> 0:29:56.380
<v Speaker 1>for handling all of this, uh, with us this evening

0:29:56.420 --> 0:29:58.950
<v Speaker 1>and look forward to, uh, Speaking with you again very soon.

0:29:58.990 --> 0:30:01.670
<v Speaker 1>In fact, we keep an open line to you as

0:30:02.410 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the situation demands. That is retired U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.580
<v Speaker 1>Colonel Harold Kempfer, former U.S. Marine Corps intelligence officer, currently

0:30:09.620 --> 0:30:13.270
<v Speaker 1>host of the Strat podcast based here in Southern California. Colonel,

0:30:13.310 --> 0:30:15.630
<v Speaker 1>thank you again very much for joining us live this evening.

0:30:16.670 --> 0:30:17.230
<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Frank.

0:30:18.210 --> 0:30:22.290
<v Speaker 1>Out to the freeways now on 790 KBC. Sounds like

0:30:22.330 --> 0:30:25.970
<v Speaker 1>a good idea, says Elon Musk. SpaceX and Tesla merging.

0:30:26.010 --> 0:30:29.130
<v Speaker 1>It looks like some committees are working on that. That

0:30:29.170 --> 0:30:32.770
<v Speaker 1>was big news coming out of the SpaceX earnings call today.

0:30:32.850 --> 0:30:37.990
<v Speaker 1>Both SpaceX and Tesla shares are moving higher in after-hours trading.

0:30:38.570 --> 0:30:41.770
<v Speaker 1>Closer to home, another big story impacting consumers as well

0:30:41.810 --> 0:30:44.810
<v Speaker 1>as businesses. The announcement coming from L.A. Mayor Karen Bass today,

0:30:45.390 --> 0:30:49.570
<v Speaker 1>announcing plans to allow L.A. DWP customers to pay what

0:30:49.590 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 1>they can afford right now. She's also asking the LADWP

0:30:53.460 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>board to pause shutoffs, power shutoffs through the end of

0:30:56.810 --> 0:31:01.110
<v Speaker 1>the year for consumers facing higher bills after the recent

0:31:01.270 --> 0:31:04.510
<v Speaker 1>record heat wave. And joining us live now, prominent local

0:31:04.590 --> 0:31:08.930
<v Speaker 1>economist Kevin Clouden, fellow at the Milken Institute in Santa Monica.

0:31:09.170 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Clouden, thank you very much for taking the call

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:12.260
<v Speaker 1>here this evening.

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:14.300
<v Speaker 2>My pleasure, Frank.

0:31:14.980 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 5>All right.

0:31:15.220 --> 0:31:17.700
<v Speaker 1>You're one of us. You're right here in Los Angeles, Sierra.

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.140
<v Speaker 1>You've been feeling the heat and, uh, seeing these eye-popping

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:25.580
<v Speaker 1>bills as well. This is somewhat unprecedented, this announcement today,

0:31:26.500 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the folks being told to pay what they can for

0:31:28.940 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>their power bills. Give us your reaction to the big

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:32.240
<v Speaker 1>news here today.

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, politically, it's almost a necessity because the DWP, for

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.380
<v Speaker 2>everybody who's been a DWP customer for forever, and I

0:31:43.420 --> 0:31:47.100
<v Speaker 2>will admit, I'm actually an Edison customer, so a little different,

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:54.130
<v Speaker 2>but the fact is that DWP is run higher energy costs,

0:31:54.230 --> 0:31:58.570
<v Speaker 2>electricity costs than a number of other areas. This has

0:31:58.630 --> 0:32:01.190
<v Speaker 2>always been a complaint from businesses that the cost of

0:32:01.270 --> 0:32:04.770
<v Speaker 2>electricity in LA is higher. And part of this is

0:32:04.890 --> 0:32:10.850
<v Speaker 2>because the DWP has these very specific arrangements on where

0:32:10.910 --> 0:32:14.090
<v Speaker 2>it buys power, how it supplies it. And the fact

0:32:14.190 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>is that unlike a conventional private company, the profits that

0:32:19.260 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>come out of DWP get diverted into balancing the city budget.

0:32:24.110 --> 0:32:27.750
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes that can be a problem for investing in

0:32:27.830 --> 0:32:33.030
<v Speaker 2>capacity or efficiency or anything else. All right.

0:32:33.110 --> 0:32:36.670
<v Speaker 1>And so it seems like things have evolved quite a

0:32:36.690 --> 0:32:40.990
<v Speaker 1>bit over recent decades. It used to be pretty reasonable,

0:32:41.550 --> 0:32:44.590
<v Speaker 1>the power bills here, but then something happened, right? I

0:32:44.610 --> 0:32:49.850
<v Speaker 1>know we had... all that craziness in the early 2000s

0:32:50.050 --> 0:32:52.630
<v Speaker 1>under Governor Davis, and the state was being ripped off

0:32:52.830 --> 0:32:56.890
<v Speaker 1>left and right. What's happening, aside from the heat that's

0:32:56.930 --> 0:32:59.310
<v Speaker 1>caused these eye-popping builds recently?

0:33:00.530 --> 0:33:03.730
<v Speaker 2>Well, some of it is, you know, it dates back to,

0:33:03.850 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, it does date back to the late 90s,

0:33:06.850 --> 0:33:09.810
<v Speaker 2>early 2000s. I mean, if you really want to bring

0:33:09.850 --> 0:33:12.100
<v Speaker 2>a specter up, the company that was really gaining the

0:33:12.130 --> 0:33:15.710
<v Speaker 2>system back then was Enron. But part of this was

0:33:15.930 --> 0:33:19.610
<v Speaker 2>that Governor Davis made a point of shifting how the

0:33:19.650 --> 0:33:25.220
<v Speaker 2>state bought power. And the idea was that a certain

0:33:25.260 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>amount of it would be bought at market rates. It

0:33:27.180 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>would allow more. The idea was to encourage more power

0:33:31.060 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>to flow into the system when it was needed. You know,

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.900
<v Speaker 2>it's worth noting that even to this day, the number

0:33:36.940 --> 0:33:39.450
<v Speaker 2>of blackouts that we've been seeing recently is not as

0:33:39.530 --> 0:33:46.100
<v Speaker 2>bad as some other times. Blackouts, brownouts. various shortages. But

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.239
<v Speaker 2>the downside of this is that it can get really expensive.

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the most extreme example of this is that

0:33:51.460 --> 0:33:55.370
<v Speaker 2>in Texas, when they've had extreme heat waves or extreme

0:33:55.430 --> 0:33:59.030
<v Speaker 2>cold snaps, and they've been setting their energy prices for

0:33:59.070 --> 0:34:02.410
<v Speaker 2>the low customers based on the spot market, suddenly people

0:34:02.450 --> 0:34:05.330
<v Speaker 2>have had like $ 10, 000 bills out of nowhere. And it's

0:34:05.390 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>not been as bad here, but we've definitely been feeling

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.580
<v Speaker 2>the pinch. And some of the things that we run

0:34:11.620 --> 0:34:16.509
<v Speaker 2>into is that we we were against nuclear power. We,

0:34:16.700 --> 0:34:19.060
<v Speaker 2>you know, you think about there's only one functioning nuclear

0:34:19.100 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>plant left in California. We've been made it difficult to

0:34:23.580 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 2>put more conventional power plants and even building solar in California,

0:34:28.700 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>we haven't been able to build nearly as much. And

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.700
<v Speaker 2>even if we are able to, and that's effective, solar

0:34:34.820 --> 0:34:39.170
<v Speaker 2>obviously only works during the day. And unless you have

0:34:39.230 --> 0:34:43.049
<v Speaker 2>battery storage and, It means that when the nighttime hits

0:34:43.910 --> 0:34:46.750
<v Speaker 2>and the temperature doesn't go down like it's been with

0:34:46.790 --> 0:34:49.950
<v Speaker 2>the El Nino effect, that means that we're stuck paying

0:34:50.030 --> 0:34:52.750
<v Speaker 2>much higher electric costs at night than we've ever been

0:34:52.830 --> 0:34:53.150
<v Speaker 2>used to.

0:34:54.010 --> 0:34:57.820
<v Speaker 1>That's really something. Well, certainly energy costs and energy policy

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.780
<v Speaker 1>certainly arising in the list of concerns for business people.

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.779
<v Speaker 1>So thanks for tackling all of that. While we have

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.420
<v Speaker 1>a few moments here, I wanted to get your reaction

0:35:06.500 --> 0:35:11.060
<v Speaker 1>to Elon Musk's comments today that– that merging SpaceX and

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Tesla sounds like a good idea and looks like there

0:35:13.980 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>are some committees working on that. What's your reaction to

0:35:17.820 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that other big news here today?

0:35:20.340 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's been hinting at this for a couple of years.

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 2>He's had this idea in mind. This is him publicly

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>saying we're that much closer. I think from his standpoint,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.660
<v Speaker 2>it's a way of creating excitement and propping up the stock,

0:35:34.739 --> 0:35:40.780
<v Speaker 2>particularly of Tesla. And the idea is that he's selling

0:35:40.820 --> 0:35:43.660
<v Speaker 2>the future. And if you look at Tesla, you know,

0:35:43.739 --> 0:35:49.339
<v Speaker 2>he just had the big demo of the flying roadster, which,

0:35:49.460 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, isn't a practical vehicle by any means, but

0:35:52.500 --> 0:35:57.580
<v Speaker 2>it catches attention. And between that and obviously pushing forward

0:35:57.620 --> 0:36:00.660
<v Speaker 2>with SpaceX's products in terms of the rockets, everything else,

0:36:01.340 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>the idea is that it means that there's more possible

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.100
<v Speaker 2>things to sort of capture the future. The big concern is,

0:36:08.500 --> 0:36:11.540
<v Speaker 2>in looking at Tesla and how it will fit into

0:36:11.580 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 2>SpaceX is, does Tesla actually have a genuine future-ready product?

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:22.850
<v Speaker 2>Because it's been pushing the idea of robotics, but there

0:36:22.910 --> 0:36:27.589
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been any successful marketable robotics out of Tesla. And

0:36:28.290 --> 0:36:32.089
<v Speaker 2>so then if it's the vehicles, then everybody's like, okay, great. Well,

0:36:32.370 --> 0:36:35.460
<v Speaker 2>we love the idea of a flying car, but what's

0:36:35.500 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>the price point? What's the market? What's any of this?

0:36:38.020 --> 0:36:41.899
<v Speaker 2>And I think that it's definitely, I can see why

0:36:41.980 --> 0:36:44.620
<v Speaker 2>for Elon Musk, that it would make a lot of sense.

0:36:44.660 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 2>He's made this argument for a while. But from an

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.070
<v Speaker 2>investor standpoint, I think everybody's got to look at it

0:36:50.140 --> 0:36:52.930
<v Speaker 2>and say, what are these products and do they really

0:36:53.010 --> 0:36:54.710
<v Speaker 2>mesh together before they commit?

0:36:55.350 --> 0:36:58.410
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, what is flying are these energy prices

0:36:58.570 --> 0:37:03.460
<v Speaker 1>for gas-powered cars and now electric vehicles as well, by

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:08.150
<v Speaker 1>the way, with these eye-popping products. rates going higher, it seems.

0:37:08.190 --> 0:37:13.390
<v Speaker 1>So circling back to energy costs, certainly energy policy, and then,

0:37:13.410 --> 0:37:16.110
<v Speaker 1>of course, data centers require a lot of energy, too.

0:37:17.090 --> 0:37:19.590
<v Speaker 1>What can we look forward to here in California as

0:37:19.650 --> 0:37:25.100
<v Speaker 1>far as adjusting these energy policies to meet the tremendous

0:37:25.140 --> 0:37:26.660
<v Speaker 1>demand that's obviously ahead?

0:37:27.980 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, the one advantage that California in some degree had

0:37:31.700 --> 0:37:35.070
<v Speaker 2>up to this point is that the amount of renewables

0:37:35.130 --> 0:37:37.890
<v Speaker 2>in the system is turned out to definitely be a

0:37:37.910 --> 0:37:42.620
<v Speaker 2>bonus in terms of creating some relief in terms of

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 2>energy price, but we're seeing the limits of those. And

0:37:46.100 --> 0:37:50.359
<v Speaker 2>the fact is that California as a state has, you know,

0:37:50.460 --> 0:37:52.779
<v Speaker 2>the most expensive gas in the country. And part of

0:37:52.820 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>this is because we not only, we have specially formulated gas,

0:37:56.980 --> 0:37:59.980
<v Speaker 2>but we've actually been shutting down refineries rather than keeping

0:38:00.020 --> 0:38:03.060
<v Speaker 2>them open. So the number of refineries that are available

0:38:03.100 --> 0:38:07.360
<v Speaker 2>to make this gas is reduced. And the effect it's

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>had on California air quality is amazing. But there is

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.670
<v Speaker 2>a real issue in terms of state policy looking at

0:38:13.710 --> 0:38:17.450
<v Speaker 2>these refineries and having that impact on the gas prices.

0:38:17.750 --> 0:38:18.650
<v Speaker 2>Is there something we could do?

0:38:19.650 --> 0:38:22.350
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Cloudon, thank you very much for taking the call today.

0:38:22.530 --> 0:38:25.980
<v Speaker 1>Economist Kevin Cloudon, fellow at the Milken Institute in Santa Monica,

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.660
<v Speaker 1>live with us here on MoTeC on Money. Stay tuned

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 1>now for the Harvard Howard Jarvis, Taxpayers Association, here on 790-KABC.