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Speaker 2: joined by one of our favorite guests, Matt Mayoko, our

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Speaker 2: joined us on the UMA guest line and on our

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Speaker 2: video stream. What's going on, Matt? How are you am? I?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing well. Everything going there pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Did you how did you take in March Madus this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any do you have March Madness traditions?

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Speaker 3: Well, I travel with same areas only a year and

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Speaker 3: so it's been five years running, and so of course

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Speaker 3: big news. I don't know if you've talked much about it,

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Speaker 3: but Randy Bennett took the job at Arizona State and

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Speaker 3: it got what a what a fun twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: I think I've been a season ticket holder for the

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Speaker 3: past fifteen years at Saint Mary's. But yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: with them in Oklahoma City, and it seems to me,

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Speaker 3: as far as just the old the entire nc TOO

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Speaker 3: and there are certainly reasons for that, but the ones

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Speaker 2: Some really fun games this weekend. And yeah, Randy Benett

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Speaker 2: takes the job with Arizona State.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm saying, wow, that's I mean, I know, I

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Speaker 4: obviously sad to see Saint Mary's lose in the first

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Speaker 4: round to Texas A and M. But I mean, grass,

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Speaker 4: Randy benn And it's gotta be devastating news for a

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because now, uh that's this guy. Yeah he'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, absolutely shatters Tom's heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he might be rooting against him for every game.

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Speaker 4: Right, The scum devils is what he calls him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's uh yeah, I guess Randy

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Speaker 2: weird to talk to you today and still have no

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Speaker 2: news really at all on Frent Williams. Right, like we

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Speaker 2: the Niners were not going to pick up the option.

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Speaker 2: Tell us where we are and how all that played out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as I guess, as it turned out that

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Speaker 3: the team. That wasn't the situation at all. You know,

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Speaker 4: So, Matt, what are the ramifications of them declining the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the dead cap refers to whenever a player

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what do you think about this NFL esque

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I I've always liked baseball because of

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Speaker 2: Here in the Bay Area now before you before you go,

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Speaker 3: It it was until it wasn't Yeah, does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: There's there's some guys in there that were vets. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for sure, that man did the voice. Here are forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers Insider NBC Sports. Barry and Matt always appreciated

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Speaker 2: the time on Mondays, enjoy the week, enjoy opening a day,

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Speaker 3: Dude, absolutely all right. I think that's