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Speaker 1: Sence dropped two of three to.
Speaker 3: The Houston Astros in a game where man hold on
Speaker 3: to a one nothing lead late. Didn't feel great and
Speaker 3: then things go go off the hinges there in the
Speaker 3: in the seventh inning, Giants end up losing it late
Speaker 3: in this ballgame, drop it two to one. As Steven Oker,
Speaker 3: the former Giant, ends up getting the w in this game. Deepop,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: On the eve of the first forty nine.
Speaker 3: Or previow there we go because because you know what
Speaker 3: that's I said, By the way, I watched damn near
Speaker 3: the entire game with our guy jumping Johnny Lund.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sitting together.
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: I came out to the to the patio early, got
Speaker 3: to see some John. I want to see how he'd
Speaker 3: handle the diamond notes comparison to you one of them
Speaker 3: on Friday. I was like, we'll see, We'll see how
Speaker 3: Derek does relative to John.
Speaker 6: They will not be award winning diamondotes. They will be
Speaker 6: the Razzies of Domino of diamond ootes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Razzy diamond notes. And then giants read it will
Speaker 2: be all over it. He had losers.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if giants read it was all over
Speaker 1: diamond notes.
Speaker 2: Oh they are, I've I've seen it before. Stop better
Speaker 2: than their life. They are not all over diamond notes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah they are because as I said to you,
Speaker 3: as you guys know, when we do diamond notes, there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of sponsors. We got to get to your
Speaker 3: starting pitchers, or who's hot you're hitting the lumber your
Speaker 3: player at a bank on. My favorite is the weather
Speaker 3: report because that's the one that gets me out of
Speaker 3: a time jam.
Speaker 2: Put your head out the window.
Speaker 3: What people don't know, Derek, is that and you know this,
Speaker 3: But what people don't know is that diamond notes are
Speaker 3: all about sponsors. It's all about can you hit every
Speaker 3: sponsor you need to?
Speaker 1: And what people don't know, that's it.
Speaker 3: What people who know about diamond notes is you have
Speaker 3: to finish all ten of the sponsors within a certain
Speaker 3: amount of time, by an exact second.
Speaker 1: I don't think people know listening know this.
Speaker 3: So sometimes I do it like yesterday, you heard me
Speaker 3: do it pretty casual, laid back. I'm giving you notes,
Speaker 3: I'm giving you stats. We're talking about the scores. Then
Speaker 3: two days ago there was a game where we did
Speaker 3: the talk back.
Speaker 1: We had John it all.
Speaker 2: It depends on the talk back.
Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, if John Texas long,
Speaker 3: more power to him.
Speaker 1: I love John, Love John Miller. I love what he's
Speaker 1: got to say.
Speaker 3: I want you talk more than I want you or
Speaker 3: I'm doing this job because I like hearing John.
Speaker 1: Miller of course of course, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Uh, he was talking to us about like a Red
Speaker 3: Sox game that was going on against against Toronto up
Speaker 3: in Toronto, and he was waxing poetic and doing doing
Speaker 3: his John Miller bit, and I was loving pain.
Speaker 1: But then we get out of the John Miller talk.
Speaker 3: Back, you and I and I'm like, oh boy, I
Speaker 3: got to hit ten sponsors in like three and a
Speaker 3: half minutes with two minutes in between as a commercial break,
Speaker 3: so people don't know we've got to hit that as
Speaker 3: an exact second. So to me, the weather report, that's
Speaker 3: the one that bails us out.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: That's the one where I say, weather Report, we're a jacket.
Speaker 1: It's the ball. What are you doing?
Speaker 3: There's yea were doing? But beautiful day at the yard today.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately the Giants don't pull this one out. I do
Speaker 3: want to note real quick because we are going to
Speaker 3: talk more football. We're going to talk more about where
Speaker 3: we're going forward because and I do think there's a
Speaker 3: bit of a release for Giants baseball, Like there's a
Speaker 3: bit of a weight off your shoulders. Uh, Like do
Speaker 3: you remember do you remember when Tom got let go?
Speaker 2: Every day?
Speaker 1: How what makes you think of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, gigantic shoes to film.
Speaker 3: Do you remember though, that you and I kind of
Speaker 3: had that moment where we talked to each other and
Speaker 3: we're like, hey, man, like it's sort of it's there's
Speaker 3: something about like the ass screw it mentality of it, like, ah,
Speaker 3: if he's going, then anybody's going, Like there's something week too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: I was saying Tom because I didn't want to like
Speaker 3: hit it on the nose, you know, but there's something
Speaker 3: freeing about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think you and I had talked about it
Speaker 3: for a couple of months where I said, look, we
Speaker 3: knew this thing was going bad. We kept talking about
Speaker 3: is this the low water mark? Is this rock bottom? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not really important anymore. And I know we mentioned
Speaker 3: it yesterday they'd fallen twenty one below. I guess they're
Speaker 3: twenty one below again after winning.
Speaker 2: Last Is this rock bottom?
Speaker 1: Copes? It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: It does because it's almost unfair at this juncture to
Speaker 3: gauge or to judge any GM President of Baseball managerial
Speaker 3: move like I'd like to see Tony Vitello use this
Speaker 3: time in the same way that we see the younger
Speaker 3: players getting opportunity to play, not that you need to
Speaker 3: just try new things out, but give guys an opportunity
Speaker 3: to go longer than maybe they have in the month
Speaker 3: of May or in the month.
Speaker 1: Of June, right when maybe you're in the heart of
Speaker 1: the or in the thick of things.
Speaker 3: You want to see guys work through some things you
Speaker 3: haven't things that you haven't seen them do before. I
Speaker 3: want to see guys in situations you haven't seen him
Speaker 3: in before. I don't know if you've noticed we've seen
Speaker 3: a lot more of Bryce Eldridge at first base. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's almost like, yeah, why not now at the time,
Speaker 3: run that guy out there, let them play, let them
Speaker 3: make the mistakes they need to make. I felt that
Speaker 3: way today about Adrian Hauser, a guy who lost his
Speaker 3: job to go to the bullpen, a guy the one
Speaker 3: of the two guys the Giants signed this offseason, between
Speaker 3: he and Tyler Maalley, who was given a two year contract.
Speaker 3: So you and I keep talking about, well, next year,
Speaker 3: next year, next year, and I said, you know, they've
Speaker 3: got Logan webb they traded Robbie Ray. We thought maybe
Speaker 3: they'd have Trevor McDonald. They've got Landing groupe. But I
Speaker 3: think now looking at Adrian Hauser like they're going to
Speaker 3: go into next year with the plan for him to
Speaker 3: be one of the starters, whether it's the two, whether
Speaker 3: it's the three. I don't love the depth of that rotation.
Speaker 3: Even if he's the two or the three. I think
Speaker 3: he tracks more as a four or a five. But
Speaker 3: what I do love is his performance is out of
Speaker 3: the bullpen, and he's the guy who I think is
Speaker 3: more comfortable now than he was early in the season,
Speaker 3: and he's pitched up with a little bit of f
Speaker 3: you you know what I mean, which is the way
Speaker 3: you should go after it. Nothing to lose, put it
Speaker 3: all on the table, pitch inside. You hit a guy,
Speaker 3: let's go after him and try to get him in
Speaker 3: places that he's uncomfortable. I think that works in the
Speaker 3: same way for young players as it does for veterans
Speaker 3: who are gonna be here beyond this season. And I
Speaker 3: appreciate the way he's gone about it, and it makes
Speaker 3: me look forward a bit to more of the depth
Speaker 3: of what this rotation could be over the offseason into
Speaker 3: next season.
Speaker 1: Of course, if we have a season. We talked to it.
Speaker 1: I was at Morosi. Last week we talked to yes
Speaker 1: It said he believed. He's an optimist.
Speaker 3: He said, I believe we're playing baseball by May or
Speaker 3: by the end of May. And I'm like, I Honestly,
Speaker 3: to me, that was a little bit of a shock.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that's the optimistic part of it. That's
Speaker 3: tough that we're talking about missing a month.
Speaker 6: Well that's what every national guy has said so far,
Speaker 6: which is okay, okay, that's okay.
Speaker 3: But in trying to find bridespots, it's almost it's almost
Speaker 3: more relaxing and more enjoyable to go to a ball
Speaker 3: game like this today, where there's just kind of a
Speaker 3: you know, stress is off. Let's see what else we have.
Speaker 3: The Giants today by Baseball America, and I don't want
Speaker 3: to say Baseball America means more than any other entity,
Speaker 3: but in terms of covering prospects and raiding minor league systems,
Speaker 3: they have been the standard of that prior to ESPN,
Speaker 3: prior to MLB dot Com and all these other analysts
Speaker 3: who put out what their rankings are. And as of today,
Speaker 3: following the trade deadline, the Giants rank, according to Baseball
Speaker 3: America as the number four organization in terms of minor
Speaker 3: league system in all of baseball, and that to me
Speaker 3: in the month of August, where you've gone through the
Speaker 3: trade deadline, you know where the team stands. That makes
Speaker 3: it a bit easier to sort of digest a game
Speaker 3: like this because I want to see guys in certain situations.
Speaker 1: I want to see how they execute. I want to
Speaker 1: see how.
Speaker 3: They perform, and it makes the endgame or the results
Speaker 3: of the game itself almost secondary to what this season
Speaker 3: or the remainder of this season means for the team
Speaker 3: going forward. And it's my first game being here like that.
Speaker 3: I wasn't here last night or the night before, so
Speaker 3: first time since the deadline. Then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what it's going to be. And I'm I'm
Speaker 3: okay with that because we know what the goal of
Speaker 3: the team is. It's evaluate and it moved forward.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: I mean that should be the mentality of every fit
Speaker 6: at this point, where I've said it for the longest time,
Speaker 6: there's certain points of the season where Buster Posey goes
Speaker 6: into evaluation mode and that's what every fan should do
Speaker 6: the rest of the way. Where yes, last night, great
Speaker 6: to see Bryce Elidridge Haite a home run four hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty three feet. It's great to see Carson Wisdon
Speaker 6: and have that performance. It's not good to see Willia
Speaker 6: domis just I don't know what the hell that was
Speaker 6: that with the double play today and in the seventh
Speaker 6: inning there.
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I was going to say, he's
Speaker 3: got something going on with his back and uh. And
Speaker 3: I was sitting in the in the stands at that point,
Speaker 3: and my initial thought was I was with Lunda.
Speaker 1: I said he didn't forget how many outs there were,
Speaker 1: did he?
Speaker 2: And clearly before yeah.
Speaker 1: But that was kind of the initial thought. Clearly that
Speaker 1: was not the situation.
Speaker 3: He's dealing with the health issue with his back, and
Speaker 3: that's why he didn't sling it the second which means
Speaker 3: he didn't sling at the first base excuse me, Sabbly
Speaker 3: tried to fire it but didn't have any urgency there.
Speaker 3: And the injuries are concerning. But it seemingly it was
Speaker 3: a backfing more than it was a mental era and
Speaker 3: that's that's just part of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is part of the game.
Speaker 6: But then Victor Barracota and left field drops the ball,
Speaker 6: so not great.
Speaker 2: But then again, like, as John Lunz said the.
Speaker 6: Other day, I thought he hit it on the head
Speaker 6: where it's not about wins and losses anymore.
Speaker 2: It's about individuals.
Speaker 6: And it sucks that a lot of these guys are
Speaker 6: injured right now, Casey Schmidt, Daniel Sussex, Trevor McDonald's wait
Speaker 6: for those guys to come back. But yeah, it really
Speaker 6: is just evaluation mode as a fan and also cherishing
Speaker 6: the memories of my Kruco. That's the most important thing
Speaker 6: to me the rest of the way. So I know
Speaker 6: some fans will be like, screw that. You still got
Speaker 6: to win every game, and I'm sure Tony Vaitelo has
Speaker 6: some of that mentality, But.
Speaker 1: Well, did you hit him the other night, Derek Well,
Speaker 1: Monday night, one day night, there.
Speaker 3: Was there was a question, excuse me, a question about
Speaker 3: why he pulled Tidwell when he did, Yeah, play Tidwell
Speaker 3: and he'd been pitching really well. That slur of is
Speaker 3: nasty And again, love what I'm seeing from him. But
Speaker 3: for me, it's always about what is the second time
Speaker 3: through the league. Look Like in football, you can be like, wow,
Speaker 3: that quarterback's getting it, he's building, he's game. Same as
Speaker 3: in basketball, not that you don't have, you know, books
Speaker 3: that teams pick up on you. But it's different in
Speaker 3: baseball where you hit it, situationally, what pitchers you're swinging at,
Speaker 3: what you really struggle at. It's a little bit different
Speaker 3: in terms of how they view you because it's pitcher
Speaker 3: by pitcher trying to attack a different guy you're not
Speaker 3: In basketball, you're seeing different defenders every night, but that
Speaker 3: team has only got, you know, three guards that are
Speaker 3: going to go up against you. Right baseball, you might
Speaker 3: see eight different pitchers in one series, versus in basketball,
Speaker 3: in a series, you're gonna see the same starting five
Speaker 3: almost every single night.
Speaker 1: So I totally understand all that.
Speaker 3: But it's also about the adjustments you make to the adjustment,
Speaker 3: and we haven't seen a lot of that from a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys. So when Tidwall got pulled out
Speaker 3: of the game Monday night, Vaytella was asked after the game,
Speaker 3: why didn't you leave him in to let him get
Speaker 3: through that jam? And he said, we're trying to win
Speaker 3: ball games, And I was like, what is that? Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's important, and for him it probably means something different
Speaker 3: than it does to us, of course, right, like we're
Speaker 3: willing to accept where we are in the season. He's
Speaker 3: the guy who's in his first year as a manager.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not trying to lose games, and I
Speaker 3: do you do an extent appreciate that. I also think
Speaker 3: that the victory again and the winning means something, but
Speaker 3: winning how is important as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he's dictated by wins and losses, so
Speaker 6: I totally understand from his standpoint.
Speaker 2: But he knows the bigger picture here.
Speaker 6: He knows what Buster Posey and Zack Manasin are doing
Speaker 6: behind the scenes. He just has to says he just
Speaker 6: has to say that to the media right now. So yes,
Speaker 6: despite what happens, he doesn't really have a say in
Speaker 6: what goes on in the front office.
Speaker 2: So he just rolls with the punches.
Speaker 6: Okay, we're gonna trade away Elliott Ramos and Luisa Rise
Speaker 6: and Robbie Ray and all these guys, and I have
Speaker 6: to find a way to win games. Look, sure they're
Speaker 6: more of a plan in the off season. If there
Speaker 6: is there will be an off season. But we'll see
Speaker 6: if there's a season. But yeah, I think at this
Speaker 6: point it's evaluation mode for fans as well. Who do
Speaker 6: you like who you don't like and let's see what
Speaker 6: happens in the off season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who do you like as a fan?
Speaker 3: It's funny, right because you can see something like let
Speaker 3: me ask you, just me and you, dude fifty thousand,
Speaker 3: all right, you emia nobody else listening in, Like, how
Speaker 3: do you as a fan? You're a fan, I'm a fan.
Speaker 3: We're guys who've never played pro sports.
Speaker 1: How do you think.
Speaker 3: Fans view the game relative to whether or not they're
Speaker 3: right or wrong about what it is they're seeing?
Speaker 6: Oh, well, go ahead. You know that's where you and
Speaker 6: I step in and tell them how wrong they are.
Speaker 1: Right, you would answer this one, bro, well what do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 3: Cause, like, dude, I like, there's a great scene and
Speaker 3: I know people hate on it that movie Fever Pitch
Speaker 3: for Jimmy Fallon.
Speaker 2: I actually never seen it yet.
Speaker 3: It's to me, I don't hate it. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's a great baseball movie. But there are scenes in
Speaker 3: it that make me laugh. And there's one where he's okay,
Speaker 3: so he's like a middle school teacher. He's talking to
Speaker 3: Drew berrymore and they've been dating throughout the off season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's trying to tell her, like, a baseball season
Speaker 3: is coming, and you don't know who I am when
Speaker 3: baseball starts, right, So he goes. She invites him to
Speaker 3: like go to a birthday thing for her family, and
Speaker 3: he goes, I, So here's the thing. Every spring break,
Speaker 3: me and my buddies go down to spring training in Florida.
Speaker 3: She goes, you go to Florida for spring break at
Speaker 3: your age. He's like, no, no, no, no, it's not spring
Speaker 3: spring break. It's spring training. She goes in the Red
Speaker 3: Sox like, let you train with the team, and he goes, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: We don't get to train with him. But we look
Speaker 3: at the team and we decide who we like, we
Speaker 3: don't like, who they should keep, or who She goes and.
Speaker 1: The Red Sox listen to you, and he goes, well, no,
Speaker 1: not he not yet.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, when you bring it down like that, it sounds sad.
Speaker 1: It does. That's kind of the point of what I'm getting.
Speaker 3: But that's sports fandom, that's exactly it is. Like I'm
Speaker 3: evaluating these guys. I want to know who they should take,
Speaker 3: who they should keep, what they should do in the draft,
Speaker 3: who should be the starter next year. Yeah, because you're
Speaker 3: an informed fan and because it all comes back to
Speaker 3: your love and care for the success of this team. Yes,
Speaker 3: So it brings me back to like, fans are emotional.
Speaker 3: I'm emotional. Yes, you're emotional. We've been around the stuff.
Speaker 2: They're called fanatics for a reason, man.
Speaker 3: World, Yeah, that's exactly where the word fan comes from,
Speaker 3: that you're a fanatic about this team in and of itself.
Speaker 3: So I just wonder, like when we talk about, Okay,
Speaker 3: who do fans want to see? Who do they want
Speaker 3: to keep? For me, it's less about like does the
Speaker 3: fan like what's happening or does the fan understand how
Speaker 3: the team views this player. That's where That's how I
Speaker 3: view baseball at this point of the year.
Speaker 2: I think it's mixed.
Speaker 6: I think that we see, we hear fans call in
Speaker 6: in and it frustrates me. But the fans that call
Speaker 6: in and say, why would you trade Luisa Rise He's
Speaker 6: the heartbeat of the team right now, And I'm like,
Speaker 6: I understand, but guys, it's an expiring contract. You're gonna
Speaker 6: lose him anyway, probably in the offseason, so you would
Speaker 6: have to trade him. It's not about this guy inspiring
Speaker 6: your child at the game right now, it's about getting
Speaker 6: prospects for him.
Speaker 2: That's the ultimate goal here.
Speaker 6: It's not about putting smiles on children in the ballpark.
Speaker 3: Eight year old Charlie don't care about the single way
Speaker 3: prospects you got from the dr that's coming over.
Speaker 2: But neither does. But Buster Posey doesn't care about the kid.
Speaker 1: I mean he.
Speaker 3: Does because he's the memory making Yeah he is. I
Speaker 3: would say he does care about that kid. But like
Speaker 3: you got a job for the lawn hall, you got
Speaker 3: a job to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.
Speaker 3: My brother texted me today and said, with with that
Speaker 3: that article tag to the text, he said, number four
Speaker 3: Giants prospects system in all of baseball.
Speaker 1: He goes, Buster knows what he's doing. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I also think that.
Speaker 3: In the Hunter Pence's comment earlier today, he said, look,
Speaker 3: it's gonna take three years before it's Buster's team. I've
Speaker 3: been saying that to you since Paster took the job. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I told you that. I was like, dude, went far
Speaker 3: on took the job. People were pissed day one year
Speaker 3: one season. People are upset because it's the move on
Speaker 3: from Boach. It's the hiring of Dave Kapler's all this
Speaker 3: stuff people were upset about, and I go, dude, the
Speaker 3: guy doesn't even have his system in place. Now we
Speaker 3: find out his system wasn't operating at a super high level.
Speaker 3: There are pieces from that system that are working out.
Speaker 3: Bryce Eldridge's one Casey Schmid has won. There are pieces
Speaker 3: they've gotten that are going to be a part of
Speaker 3: this team going forward. That said, it's different than football.
Speaker 3: And by the way, even Kyle Shanahan needed a bit
Speaker 3: of time, took till twenty nineteen. He took over in seventeen,
Speaker 3: seventeen eighteen and into nineteen before you were the team
Speaker 3: that he was capable of winning with.
Speaker 2: And now we have the expectations, right Yeah, No, absolutely so.
Speaker 6: I mean you and I, I think have always had
Speaker 6: that mentality, and like I thought it a lot more
Speaker 6: last year when they brought in twenty vitto, like this
Speaker 6: is gonna get Rocky a little bit, And then I
Speaker 6: remember your mentality is doesn't matter he has to win
Speaker 6: right away, yes and no, Like the mentality from Buster
Speaker 6: Posey is I hope they win, but if it's not good,
Speaker 6: at least I have a guy that can speak to
Speaker 6: a younger generation if I have to flip it, and
Speaker 6: we're not there in Tyler yet, but there will be.
Speaker 2: There may be more moves in the offseason. We shall see.
Speaker 6: But as far as fans, I mean, you should anticipate
Speaker 6: this when you see six guys trade at the deadline,
Speaker 6: where wins and losses don't matter at this point.
Speaker 2: It's about evaluating players. And are fans evaluations right? Sometimes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course there are there's some fans that are like,
Speaker 6: I like this guy because you know, I think they
Speaker 6: could turn around, Like why they trade away? Why do
Speaker 6: they trade away Elliott Ramos? Why they trade away this guy?
Speaker 6: This team could turn around.
Speaker 2: Just like that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I test mean something, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: But I you know, I would say, you're probably wrong
Speaker 6: in that department.
Speaker 2: But who knows. I don't know. We act like we
Speaker 2: know as radio hosts. We don't know.
Speaker 6: I just think that I don't know whatever your heart
Speaker 6: feels as a fan by all means, but at this
Speaker 6: point you have to accept that wins and losses do
Speaker 6: not matter for this team right now.
Speaker 2: Obviously they're twenty one games, but five hundred.
Speaker 1: I think I'm.
Speaker 3: Just gonna I'm gonna parse what you said just briefly,
Speaker 3: and this doesn't meant as like a criticism of what
Speaker 3: you said. Matter to me, when it comes to wins
Speaker 3: and losses for a sports team, they always matter. To
Speaker 3: say they don't matter is in my mind, and again
Speaker 3: not putting this on you, Derek, I'm saying in my mind,
Speaker 3: to say it doesn't matter is almost taking away from
Speaker 3: the job that so many people within the organization are
Speaker 3: doing to try to get guys ready to win, right
Speaker 3: And it's baseball is a different game where it's not
Speaker 3: all on one guy. You know, Barry Bonds is the
Speaker 3: greatest hitter I've ever seen, and he went to the
Speaker 3: playoffs with the Giants a lot of times. He went
Speaker 3: to one World Series, right, the best if you have
Speaker 3: the best player in basketball, you're like in it every year,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, You're like in Lebron was
Speaker 3: the best player for a lot of us who have
Speaker 3: ever seen guy was in eight straight NBA finals. It
Speaker 3: doesn't always happen that way, right, But matter to me
Speaker 3: sometimes takes away from the work that they do behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. And just because you put in the work
Speaker 3: doesn't mean it's not real. It means it didn't it
Speaker 3: didn't meet the expectation that it took to get into
Speaker 3: the playoffs or succeed that year. I would say winning
Speaker 3: is just not, at this point in the season, the
Speaker 3: number one most important thing, because I do think winning
Speaker 3: is cultural. I do think they continuing to win and
Speaker 3: feeling that even when things aren't going well build something
Speaker 3: in somebody.
Speaker 1: Because to lose and lose and lose and.
Speaker 3: Then find joy or find success in well, but that
Speaker 3: guy developed that doesn't feel great, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: So I think winning is important. I think winning is
Speaker 3: a cultural thing. And I think that's where Tony Vitello
Speaker 3: is when he says that, And that's why I respect,
Speaker 3: relate and understand what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I just go, yeah, but was losing this game.
Speaker 3: As important as letting Tidwell get out of that jam?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, that's where I weigh that difference. But I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't put myself in that chair, So I just
Speaker 3: have to do it as a fan. I won't say
Speaker 3: it won't matters, and I think that's I honestly think
Speaker 3: that's kind of what you're saying too. It's not that
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, it's just that it's not. It's not
Speaker 3: paramount on August twelfth or whatever day we're at now. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: when when you're twenty one games back.
Speaker 6: Is what I'm saying is to certain people, like if
Speaker 6: you're asking me in the grand scheme of things this
Speaker 6: giant season, no, And of course, like fans don't want
Speaker 6: to see a one hundred lost season, but we're turning
Speaker 6: in that direction right now. But does it matter to
Speaker 6: Bryce Eligerridge as a matter, to Logan Webb, all these
Speaker 6: guys on the team right now? Absolutely? Does it matter
Speaker 6: to Tony Vitello, Yes? Does it matter to Buster Posey,
Speaker 6: I'm sure he has pride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what he's doing right now, yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: But like as far as what the end goal is, no,
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. Like, yes, you can establish winning cultures
Speaker 6: when you're having a losing season. Like there's gonna be
Speaker 6: so many teams going into this NFL season, We're gonna
Speaker 6: write them off immediately. We don't think the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 6: are gonna be good, the Arizona Cardinals, the Jets.
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't think the Dolphins are gonna be good?
Speaker 2: Have you seen the roster?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't think that either, that's a that
Speaker 6: that should be a gim me Week two for the Niners.
Speaker 3: I heard their guy, Jeff Haffley talking their head coach,
Speaker 3: former Niner Stafford is right, Yeah, Jeff Haffley talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give h.
Speaker 1: N the ball like like eighty times a game.
Speaker 3: He's joking, but he's like, I'm gonna I'm gonna drag
Speaker 3: him off the field on for forty five carries. And
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, is this is Is it Devon
Speaker 3: h In or what's his name, Devon h Yeah or
Speaker 3: is it Travis A Is it Devon atn Devon Travis Agent?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 6: But the point with that is he for for the
Speaker 6: Miami Dolphins this season, wins and losses do not matter.
Speaker 6: It's about establishing a culture, to establish winning ways for
Speaker 6: the future. So yes, twenty five Telo wants to win,
Speaker 6: but it's really about establishing a culture.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 6: Have we seen that as media members or fans. No,
Speaker 6: it could be behind closed doors in the clubhouse. I
Speaker 6: don't know right now. So it matters to certain people.
Speaker 6: But like in the end, all be all, no wins
Speaker 6: and losses I think forever for most people do not
Speaker 6: matter at this point.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Cambre four one, five eight, five sixty seven the
Speaker 3: number to call the detection. You got thoughts of the Giants,
Speaker 3: we will take them. But we also now with the
Speaker 3: Giants finishing this series against the Astros, they have another
Speaker 3: series against the Rocky started on Friday.
Speaker 1: We have got an off day tomorrow.
Speaker 3: For the Giants, which means you'll hear your San Francisco
Speaker 3: forty nine ers right here on the Sports Leader on
Speaker 3: the blow towards starting what is it three o'clock tomorrow.
Speaker 3: We got pregame Derek and I from two to three,
Speaker 3: three to five. We got Niner pre game against the
Speaker 3: Volunteer State Tennessee Titans. They come to town to take
Speaker 3: off the Niners in a preseason opener. We got pregame
Speaker 3: with myself in Todd Hustack tomorrow, which means it's time
Speaker 3: to at least in some degree, really put the sites
Speaker 3: on the NFL season hard knocks out and dude, I've
Speaker 3: been catching I've been catching more hard knocks lately.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You see, uh, you see what's the what's the
Speaker 1: name of the the Spurscuts. Mitch mit Johnson, he was met.
Speaker 3: You see that that clip of him talking to Mike McDonald, Dude,
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is a Seahawks fan, I guess lives in
Speaker 6: the area and the off season and the GM joined
Speaker 6: him in a little meeting about how can I establish
Speaker 6: a certain culture that you got going on right now?
Speaker 2: I lost my championship. You won yours. Mike McDonald, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they lost their championship.
Speaker 3: He also, like the GAM also like openly admits to
Speaker 3: tanking the team two years in advance. Yeah, we looked
Speaker 3: at we looked at at Wemby, and we were like,
Speaker 3: we gotta get this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great player. We gotta started losing. We
Speaker 2: gotta start We're better start losing.
Speaker 6: And how see like that that's sports. He sometimes like,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying the Giants are intentionally losing.
Speaker 2: They're not doing that.
Speaker 6: But you got to set yourself up for failure a
Speaker 6: little bit and then but you establish something within the
Speaker 6: locker room and then you find that winning culture with
Speaker 6: whoever you have in place.
Speaker 2: As the coach.
Speaker 3: Ataway Cambre four one, five, eight, five, six, twenty seven,
Speaker 3: we will get into some football tog next. You gotta
Speaker 3: hear when Mike McDonald said it's gonna I think what
Speaker 3: did you say? Derek is gonna promote a lot of
Speaker 3: new drops for us.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, clip this is this this this clip last
Speaker 6: night featured Mike McDonald chewing into Derek Hall, So we
Speaker 6: can use a lot of these the these sound bites
Speaker 6: in this clip.
Speaker 1: Does he say Derek a lot?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: If you if you were looking for some new drops
Speaker 3: to rip Derek, you're gonna want to be here next. Also, dude,
Speaker 3: there better not be anything from Michael McDonald on Yamo
Speaker 3: be there, bro.
Speaker 6: If I'm a Yama, if I hear that song one
Speaker 6: more time, I yamo burned this place of the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to say the next person minute if
Speaker 3: I here, Yamo b there one more time. By the way,
Speaker 3: my guy Paul Road, he's wearing my shoes.
Speaker 1: He's in that movie.
Speaker 4: Yes he is.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 6: I thought Matt Dame was kind of like a Streisand,
Speaker 6: but he's a kicking ass in this movie.
Speaker 3: Kind of like bag sand All right, we'll take a
Speaker 3: quick break. Adam Copeland deep pop, Danny done hanging out
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 1: It's a Friday. It's a friday. It's a Wednesday afternoon.
Speaker 1: We're hanging out with you. I wish it was due.
Speaker 3: We're live from the well. I'm lie from the broadcast
Speaker 3: booth at Oracle Park. Giants fall to the Astros two
Speaker 3: or three, but we get the nighter preseason kicking off tomorrow.
Speaker 1: More to come. Dirty Work on a Wednesday on The
Speaker 1: Sports Leader.
Speaker 8: Now back to dirty Work Adam Copeland and Derek Papa
Speaker 8: on K and B R one O four, five and
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, Danny, Hell yeah, Dan.
Speaker 3: Dirty work on a Wednesday afternoon, Adam Copeland, deep pop,
Speaker 3: Danny done hanging out with you?
Speaker 1: Dude, I got I got on.
Speaker 3: A crow kick yesterday, Derek. Yeah yeah, dude, I was
Speaker 3: all over it this morning. It applies to what's going
Speaker 3: on with the Giants right now. If baseball makes you happy,
Speaker 3: it can't be that bad. They're twenty one games below
Speaker 3: five hundred.
Speaker 1: But then why said, oh it's a twenty one Oh
Speaker 1: yeah under yeah. Yeah. We're trying to laugh, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to have a good times, to
Speaker 2: some fun.
Speaker 1: It's a little easier when you're not in July.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean with things that I've long thought the worst
Speaker 3: thing for a baseball team, especially like in the job
Speaker 3: that we have is being like a seventy seven win team,
Speaker 3: seventy eight win team, because you're like, you're not good
Speaker 3: enough to be in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just out of it.
Speaker 3: You're clamoring all year. But at least at those points
Speaker 3: you're more interested in, like, can we do something to
Speaker 3: be relevant? Can we be a playoff team? Versus this
Speaker 3: year where it kept thinking, we kept thinking, they can't
Speaker 3: be this bad, right, They're not this bad. They've got
Speaker 3: more talent than this. They can't keep losing the way
Speaker 3: they're losing. They are, and they they just couldn't turn
Speaker 3: it around. And then after July you get to the
Speaker 3: trade deadline and Buster Posey, to his credit, has has
Speaker 3: made a change in his focus for the organization. I
Speaker 3: mean he took over with a team that he thought
Speaker 3: was capable of winning and made a move. I still,
Speaker 3: to this point, I am a little perplexed about the
Speaker 3: Vitello higher. Like if you hire Tony Vitello and you
Speaker 3: told me that they were going to go the path
Speaker 3: that they went at the deadline, I'd be like, this
Speaker 3: makes sense, Yeah, this is a somewhat rebuild, But it
Speaker 3: was almost like they tried to do the Joe Lakob
Speaker 3: two timeline thing, right, Like, let's try to win with
Speaker 3: this team, but also develop with a manager who we
Speaker 3: think is a guy who's capable of developing young talent
Speaker 3: like we saw at the college ranks, and instead of that,
Speaker 3: we saw a team that, not to his complete fault
Speaker 3: or detriment, has not succeeded.
Speaker 1: And yet anyway, we're in the spot where they need
Speaker 1: to rebuild and develop talent.
Speaker 3: But you look today and Baseball America's got them ranked
Speaker 3: as the number four pharm system in all of baseball.
Speaker 3: And more to that point, it's not just that their
Speaker 3: rant number four, it's that their top prospects are all
Speaker 3: having very good seasons and that means.
Speaker 1: A bit more so. Still perplexed about that, but we've
Speaker 1: got plenty of time to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Well, go ahead, real quick.
Speaker 6: Would you feel better about let's say they have the
Speaker 6: same season going right now, but Nick Hunley is the manager.
Speaker 2: Are you feeling better about the giant situation.
Speaker 9: Right now?
Speaker 6: We're going forward, Let's say the seasons the same thing,
Speaker 6: but Nick Cunley's in as manager.
Speaker 2: As a post a twenty Vitel.
Speaker 3: No, I don't feel much different Okay, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I don't. Okay, if it's if it's Bob Melvin, I
Speaker 3: actually feel worse. Yeah, to be honest with you, because
Speaker 3: they regressed. They would have regressed, yeah, and they were
Speaker 3: a worse team. Would they have been better with Melvin?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Incrementally, I don't know. And like what I'm saying when
Speaker 3: I mean my incremental is like five wins?
Speaker 2: Did I mean?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think there are a team that's over five
Speaker 3: hundred or add five hundred. I don't think I Tello's
Speaker 3: had that impact on this team. There's no way to
Speaker 3: actually measure that, right, There's no way to actually know,
Speaker 3: But I like, I understand the higher of Iello. If
Speaker 3: the thought is they gotta get younger, we got to develop,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a different situation, right, But that
Speaker 3: wasn't the plan. It was it's time to go, and
Speaker 3: this isn't the guy to help us go, so let's
Speaker 3: get somebody else. And instead it feels like, okay, Buster
Speaker 3: might have had one eye on this version of this
Speaker 3: team mm hmm, and then one eye on but we
Speaker 3: have this roster and I traded for Devers and we've
Speaker 3: got committed money to guys who can help us win. Now,
Speaker 3: it just didn't go the path.
Speaker 1: It didn't.
Speaker 3: It doesn't take him off the hook for how they
Speaker 3: went about the offseason. I still I won't let them
Speaker 3: off the hook for how that went for the bullpen
Speaker 3: and the pitching staff. I don't agree with it, and
Speaker 3: we've watched it play out. That said, we're seeing more
Speaker 3: of the howser they thought they were getting than the
Speaker 3: hawser that started the season in the rotation.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I understand the sentiment as well from fans
Speaker 6: that are like, Okay, I get it, like, yes, this
Speaker 6: the rest of the season really doesn't matter. But we've
Speaker 6: been seeing this for a long time now, and this
Speaker 6: is by far the worst Since twenty twenty one, this
Speaker 6: team has been mediocre or just downright terrible, and that's
Speaker 6: this season. So I understand the frustrations. It needs to change.
Speaker 6: I just don't know when it's going to change. Probably
Speaker 6: not anytime soon right now.
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3: Anyway, came to our four one, five eightyweight, five sixty seven,
Speaker 3: the number to call and the number of ten, let's
Speaker 3: go out to Chris. Chris is on the the phone
Speaker 3: lines before we get into some NFL stuff. Chris, you're
Speaker 3: in Santa Clara, You're on the Sports Leader.
Speaker 1: What's up, dude? Hey?
Speaker 4: Thanks. You know, guys, I'm curious when you look at
Speaker 4: who played today for the Giants, what I see is
Speaker 4: I see the Giants twenty twenty seven, and frankly, I
Speaker 4: see Giants twenty twenty eight. And I'm going to ask,
Speaker 4: out of today's life, who do you suggest may not
Speaker 4: be on the opening day lineup, not even opening day
Speaker 4: roster or twenty twenty seven, whenever that does happen, and
Speaker 4: eight who played today is on the roster.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Chris.
Speaker 3: This is why Chris, let's run through the lineup today,
Speaker 3: because because I'm with you, dude. Like, we had a
Speaker 3: couple of calls right after the deadline and a couple
Speaker 3: of people were calling this a fire.
Speaker 1: Sale, and I was like, well, not really, because a fire.
Speaker 3: Sale is like selling off everything you've got for parts,
Speaker 3: get rid of, everything must go. And that was another
Speaker 3: Giants went about it. They went about it in the
Speaker 3: in the the scope in my mind of like, anybody
Speaker 3: who's not necessarily guaranteed to be under contract next year
Speaker 3: is somebody we can get something for So if we
Speaker 3: run through it, Chris and Danny Mitchull, he's potted up here.
Speaker 3: If we go Jung Hou Lee Lee's in the opening
Speaker 3: day lineup next year?
Speaker 2: Right, yep?
Speaker 1: Chris, you with me?
Speaker 4: Yep, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I agree, okay. Williadomas yep, yep, yep. Bryce Heldridge yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Raphile Devers yep.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: Barrakoto's the one where you go, I gotta see something
Speaker 3: and you don't even have to show it all this year.
Speaker 3: You got to show it this year and in spring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 4: Agree, He's a he's an interesting one. Let's watch and
Speaker 4: see what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also Chris would add that like Barracoto's in the spot,
Speaker 3: Like there's some guys who we anticipate will be here,
Speaker 3: like Casey Schmidt. He's going to be an opening day
Speaker 3: starter for the Giants. I would assume health permitting next year.
Speaker 3: But he's a guy who's like they have an option
Speaker 3: to figure out is he going to be the second baseman,
Speaker 3: is he the left fielder?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Where is he playing?
Speaker 3: But Schmid's a guy I think gives them versusile. So
Speaker 3: Barrakoto to me, is not an absolute for sure, he's
Speaker 3: out there, Drew Gilbert, I'm gonna go opening day roster,
Speaker 3: not necessarily starter, but I think he's opening day roster.
Speaker 1: Are you with me there?
Speaker 3: I think he's a platoon guy unless they find somebody
Speaker 3: who's an everyday center fielder. He's a left handed bat
Speaker 3: who's not good against left handed pitching, but has been
Speaker 3: pretty damn good against Righty's connection.
Speaker 1: To yeah, connection to Tony.
Speaker 3: Dude, a slave. This pasab is maybe my favorite. Didn't
Speaker 3: know he existed, dude in the last two years, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's been kind of intero. I mean
Speaker 4: he's gonna say that's actually interesting just to kind of
Speaker 4: watch him. He really hustle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's and he's a guy who's got a glove.
Speaker 3: He swings out of his ass, which I love, dude,
Speaker 3: you guys swinging, swinging hard every time out. Also a
Speaker 3: guy with a little bit of big league experience. He's
Speaker 3: a dude I look at is like he'll have a
Speaker 3: chance to make the team next year because he's versatile.
Speaker 3: I see him as a guy that could be the
Speaker 3: Christian cost version of the around the diamond infield or
Speaker 3: backup that the Giants are looking for, because I don't
Speaker 3: see Costs as a guaranteed every day guy.
Speaker 4: Do you see Costs as being on the roster.
Speaker 3: I think he's in competition. I think he's I think
Speaker 3: if a guy like Basab performs here at the end
Speaker 3: of the year the way he has, I think it's
Speaker 3: a spring competition. I think bench rolls, oftentimes, unless under contract,
Speaker 3: are kind of up for grabs, and for a team
Speaker 3: like the Giants, who have been lacking in a lot
Speaker 3: of areas, I think there's a true opportunity for some
Speaker 3: guys to make noise or to try to claim a spot.
Speaker 3: So I would say it's up in the air. But
Speaker 3: I would say Besoe aban cost one of the two
Speaker 3: is an opening day guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough. And I think Kavanaugh's got a shot
Speaker 4: to at least be on the roster, right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, I think he's a right now what
Speaker 3: I've seen from him, And he had a nice game today,
Speaker 3: hit the ball hard a couple of times, had a
Speaker 3: nice swing a couple.
Speaker 1: Of nights ago.
Speaker 3: I think he's struggled a bit at the plate, but
Speaker 3: his numbers aren't as bad as you might think, but
Speaker 3: I view him as more of a if he gets
Speaker 3: comfortable catching a game, I love a backup defensive catcher,
Speaker 3: and I think he offers you that if if Sue
Speaker 3: Sack is your opening day, dude, yeah sounds good.
Speaker 4: So the reason why I asked the question, I really
Speaker 4: appreciate the conversation, Yeah, man, is that this is not
Speaker 4: This is not what used to be a late September
Speaker 4: calling up a bunch of minor league right chapter of
Speaker 4: a sucky season, right, yep, this is the next two
Speaker 4: hundred games before the guants are going to be right.
Speaker 4: And I think it's important to kind of approach it
Speaker 4: that way because, you know, it kind of feels like
Speaker 4: what it used to be when we were younger. Right, hey, September,
Speaker 4: you know, dog and a whole freaking minor leagues come up.
Speaker 4: Let's go watch what's maybe gonna happen? Sure, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: this is it. This is the best that they have
Speaker 4: to offer for the next year, if not two years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do agree with you.
Speaker 3: And what's funny is I don't hate this lineup, man like,
Speaker 3: and I know Chapman's probably a guy who's a part
Speaker 3: of this as well, right in Casey Schmid, who we mentioned.
Speaker 1: But that's that was kind of my point is like,
Speaker 1: I think we enter.
Speaker 3: Next year, dude, with like seven of at least seven
Speaker 3: of the same guys that we opened this year with
Speaker 3: on opening day.
Speaker 4: What's gonna be different?
Speaker 3: Hopefully the pitching staff, that would be my hope, because
Speaker 3: that's the side that really let him down.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I figured I would at least just kind
Speaker 4: of kind of bring it up because now you're right,
Speaker 4: I don't disagree, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of
Speaker 4: how we look at the rest of the season because
Speaker 4: I think it's easy to go, oh, you know, it's over.
Speaker 9: You know, let's just see.
Speaker 4: But you know that's what it used to feel like
Speaker 4: when we were younger, right, and we just think it's different.
Speaker 4: So anyway, Hey, I just wanted to kind of chip
Speaker 4: that in, and I you know, to me, it means
Speaker 4: that if they really can't cut it now, I'm not
Speaker 4: talking on the pitching side. I mean today pitching was great, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, what are you gonna do complain two runs?
Speaker 1: How's it was great?
Speaker 3: And it's the offensive. Let you know, today I appreciate
Speaker 3: the conquerors, thanks so much. And that's the thing too,
Speaker 3: is is look at what was it, seven or eight
Speaker 3: games now they've led at the end of the eighth inning,
Speaker 3: and they've lost those games this year. Seventeen blown saves,
Speaker 3: like that doesn't mean you lost. I mean you didn't
Speaker 3: close the door when you had the lead late in
Speaker 3: the game. And that's not neither here nor there, but
Speaker 3: it is. It's part of the game. That's too many
Speaker 3: times to have that happen. And I do think not
Speaker 3: naming a closer was a big issue. I mean, look
Speaker 3: no further than than Caleb Killian's numbers in the ninth
Speaker 3: inning versus outside of the ninth, right, Like, the ninth
Speaker 3: inning is different. Sergio Romo has told me as much.
Speaker 3: Different Different guys who have been in the ninth across
Speaker 3: baseball for years will tell you the eighth is different
Speaker 3: than the ninth because the ninth it's almost like you
Speaker 3: blow it in the eighth, Derek. The mindset for me
Speaker 3: is like, man, that's stunk, but we have a chance
Speaker 3: still to win this game. Right, you blow it in
Speaker 3: the ninth, You're like, dude, we were about to win. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was over and you didn't get you didn't close
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 6: No, I mean that's been the case for most of
Speaker 6: the season. And yeah, you're hoping that the pitching turns
Speaker 6: around next year. But if this is the lineup we
Speaker 6: have next year too, I mean, yeah, to his point,
Speaker 6: what changes, hopefully the pitching, but it's gonna be the
Speaker 6: same product on the field as far as wins and losses. Yeah, maybe, yeah,
Speaker 6: I like I would I would really hope not. You know,
Speaker 6: of course not hope not, but say, is it the
Speaker 6: same as wins and losses? Like I if you if
Speaker 6: you go into that year where a bullpen constructed the
Speaker 6: same way as you did this year, you're asking for trouble, right,
Speaker 6: Like I would expect them to say that can't happen again.
Speaker 6: If anything, that will be something that's fixed.
Speaker 2: I would hope.
Speaker 1: I would hope they overcorrect on that front.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would think that Busher would take accountability for
Speaker 6: his mistakes. And it may not be him, and maybe
Speaker 6: the whole you know, as far as the front office
Speaker 6: and you know, the owners as well, like putting some
Speaker 6: value into the into the bullpen and hopefully the rain
Speaker 6: of Rodriguez comes back. But yeah, I mean, if this
Speaker 6: is what we're looking at I get it, like you know,
Speaker 6: it is what it is at this point, and you
Speaker 6: hope that things are turned around, but I do not know.
Speaker 2: I don't know about the future right now.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Cam yours and I'm gonna call four and five
Speaker 3: eighty eight five six said, let's go to Donald Donald
Speaker 3: is in Stockton.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 7: Donald?
Speaker 1: You're on the Sports Leader. Hell you guys.
Speaker 7: I was kind of upset that Logan Web pitched that's
Speaker 7: a great game the other day, and uh, I wish
Speaker 7: he would have like taken a day off and they
Speaker 7: moved him into the second game. Uh, but it's the
Speaker 7: leadoff game for some reason. Is uh, I don't know.
Speaker 7: The picture was fantastic for the other for who the
Speaker 7: help we play? Yeah, the Asters and the leadoff spot
Speaker 7: is a questionable thing. I don't think Jung Ho Lee
Speaker 7: should be a leadoff position. I mean, he plays great
Speaker 7: when he's batten five and uh, you know he's got
Speaker 7: men on base. Maybe he's just not a leadoff hitter.
Speaker 7: We don't have a Mike Hargrove or a who's he
Speaker 7: as leadoff hitter man? Ricky Anderson, My god, the guy
Speaker 7: was slamming slamming Hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean you mean the greatest leadoff hitter who
Speaker 1: ever lived?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 7: They don't have a Yeah, and you're not going to
Speaker 7: find players like that. But you know, how about how
Speaker 7: about Devers? The guy can smack the ball out of
Speaker 7: the park and you get on base too. Right, But
Speaker 7: we lost Matt, we lost Matt Chapman, we lost Casey.
Speaker 7: They're probably gone for the rest of the year. And uh,
Speaker 7: now we've got players that I don't know who they are.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's like it's tough. And Robbie Ray was
Speaker 7: pitching great, he gets traded? What else happened?
Speaker 1: Boy? Hold on? Hold on, Hong Hong.
Speaker 3: You thought they should have kept Robbi Ray? You thought
Speaker 3: they should have kept Robby Ray when they were like
Speaker 3: seventeen games under five hundred.
Speaker 7: Though, Well, if they if they're going to trade him
Speaker 7: and get something for him, he.
Speaker 1: Did they do? They got something for him.
Speaker 3: They got something for him, to the point that now
Speaker 3: the Giants are raided by Baseball America the number four
Speaker 3: team in all of baseball in their minor league system.
Speaker 3: Like that's something we as Giants fans, have talked about
Speaker 3: for it decade at not being good at So if
Speaker 3: you're not gonna win games, isn't the alternate, Like, let's
Speaker 3: get better somewhere else. And I think they did at
Speaker 3: least on paper, and the guys they got are having
Speaker 3: good years. Like I can't I can't do and honestly,
Speaker 3: I can't keep thinking back to, well they shouldn't have
Speaker 3: traded away. I wanted to see a rise play. Does
Speaker 3: it really matter who you're seeing? Like the guys you
Speaker 3: saw today, So many of these guys we just named,
Speaker 3: like five of them. You're saying you don't know who
Speaker 3: they are. They were in the opening day lineup. Lee
Speaker 3: Adamis Eldridge wasn't there, but you expected him to be
Speaker 3: here at some point. Drew Gilbert we saw last year.
Speaker 3: You knew he'd be up at some point this year.
Speaker 3: Raphael Devers, Christian Kass was on the roster most of
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 1: That's six of your.
Speaker 3: Opening day lineup right now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Or not opening day line that's six of your lineup today.
Speaker 3: And those guys were all guys we expected to see
Speaker 3: this year. So like, I get what you're saying, but
Speaker 3: we also don't have to our previous collegs point dude,
Speaker 3: we don't have the forty man roster or the rosterer.
Speaker 3: You have the forty man roster, we don't have the
Speaker 3: roster expansion to forty guys. In September, you only get
Speaker 3: to go to twenty eight. So when the Giants were
Speaker 3: in it in the Dusty Baker era, in the Bruce
Speaker 3: Bogi arrow with Sabian, we would be in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 3: Then you get to September and you'd see all these
Speaker 3: guys come up that maybe we don't remember or weren't
Speaker 3: factors in the postseason, but they were there to alleviate
Speaker 3: some of the pressure and stress on the guys who'd
Speaker 3: been grinding through the first five months. When you're out
Speaker 3: of it, these are the guys you got to take
Speaker 3: a look at. Eddi's Leonard's already gone, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Barracota they're getting a look at because they
Speaker 3: traded Ramos, So they need to know are we going
Speaker 3: to go into the offseason looking for a left fielder
Speaker 3: or do we have a guy we think can be
Speaker 3: a left fielder. Like I really do think that we
Speaker 3: got more scope on the vision forward, whether it means
Speaker 3: succeeding now or in three years when the minor league
Speaker 3: system gets here. I think we've got more vision for
Speaker 3: this team going forward because to my point from earlier,
Speaker 3: man like the wins and losses at this point in
Speaker 3: the season, twenty one games under, it's not the most
Speaker 3: important thing. I think it's important because I think it's
Speaker 3: culture for the team and for the organization. But I
Speaker 3: don't think that's the end all, be all goal for
Speaker 3: the month of August.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I'm just I'm glad they didn't get
Speaker 7: rid of a few players. I mean, I heard Jung
Speaker 7: Ho Lee was on the block, and I'm like, oh, please,
Speaker 7: don't get rid of Jung Ho Lee.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 7: He was hurt, he got hurt last year, but he
Speaker 7: he is just tearing it up this year. But uh no,
Speaker 7: I agree, and uh Casey Smith is going to be
Speaker 7: uh back in next year and look at Yeah, next
Speaker 7: year is what we're looking at. I know, but we've
Speaker 7: got to be positive for this year. I don't want
Speaker 7: to hear this. We might win, we might lose a
Speaker 7: hundred games. I don't want to hear that because we're
Speaker 7: not going to lose a hundred games. You know, We're
Speaker 7: gonna win enough to you know, we're not gonna be
Speaker 7: in the playoffs, of course, but you know, I just
Speaker 7: wanted to get past this year and get Chapman and
Speaker 7: Casey Smith back and we'll be fine.
Speaker 3: I appreture the call brother thinks so much, but they might.
Speaker 3: I don't ye, I don't know what they're gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Or what they're gonna win. N I will say this, Uh.
Speaker 3: I love the idea of a guy like Eldridge coming
Speaker 3: up when it's not going good and then things turning around.
Speaker 3: Like I like when guys you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like you see that with the The best example of that,
Speaker 3: Derek is like NFL quarterbacks because the number one guy
Speaker 3: gets drafted to the worst team right where the Bengals good.
Speaker 1: When they got Burrow. No, don't want to look at
Speaker 1: them now, like, dude, they have a shot.
Speaker 2: Every they turned it around, Yes they have Burrow.
Speaker 1: Right, Like we look at that them, We're like, dude,
Speaker 1: they got a shot.
Speaker 6: So you're hopeing Bryce Eldridge is the quarterback that changes
Speaker 6: the franchise, except the baseball doesn't work exactly like it's
Speaker 6: It's it's very different. Like Cam Warren needs to be
Speaker 6: that guy for the Tennessee Titans right now. But you
Speaker 6: need pitching. You need a ton like not not a
Speaker 6: ton of guys on the Giants right now.
Speaker 3: He's could hit seventy three and miss the playoffs. Like
Speaker 3: I don't know, Barry Bonds, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He hit seventy three and they didn't go.
Speaker 1: To the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like that's that's my point.
Speaker 1: He threw seventy three touchdowns, dude, I swear to god,
Speaker 1: you're you have a buye Like.
Speaker 2: If you throw seventy three, only a bye, my friend,
Speaker 2: you are seventeen to oh, you might.
Speaker 1: Get a buy into the NFC championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventy three touchdowns?
Speaker 1: Good lord. That's what I'm saying is like.
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow through sixty to college season.
Speaker 3: You can give up all the touchdowns you want. He's
Speaker 3: gonna throw seventy three. I don't care how good your
Speaker 3: defense is. Dude, throw seventy three teddies. You're going to
Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's happening, yes, without question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, come on, you hit seventy three, But Madden seasons
Speaker 6: you play, you don't get seventy three touchdowns thrown.
Speaker 3: You hit seventy three bombs. You're like, oh, dude, that
Speaker 3: team's got showing Anne Johnson, we're not going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's really how it worked out.
Speaker 3: An away camby are four one, five, eight, five, sixty
Speaker 3: two seven Dandy a little on air producing were we behind?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what my clock is, brother, I think.
Speaker 2: We're in the four.
Speaker 4: We're behind.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're really behind.
Speaker 1: I think, well, say you know what, Danny, stuff, you're stuff.
Speaker 1: You're behind in a sack? You asked. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like it came on the air and be like,
Speaker 2: guys were behind.
Speaker 1: He's in my ear.
Speaker 2: He's like, we got it going. Okay, it's come on.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's my birthday, It's we're twenty three. All right.
Speaker 3: This is never a time we've ever gone to break.
Speaker 3: This is actually an exact time we would never break, right, Derek.
Speaker 2: Not usually at this time. We come back. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, Danny, I don't need you talking ask either. Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't need you to tell me I'm late off.
Speaker 2: I like this, Come on, Daddy, let's go. Let's go
Speaker 2: take them off.
Speaker 1: In a way camp we are, y'amo, b there a
Speaker 1: little Michael.
Speaker 2: McDonald's service down Seahawk's action.
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Speaker 3: Dirty Work with You on a Wednesday afternoon, Adam Coupling
Speaker 3: depop Danny Down hanging out with the online from.
Speaker 1: The broadcast booth at Oracle Park.
Speaker 3: Giants fall to the Astros two to one, But I
Speaker 3: don't think the end results is really what.
Speaker 1: What we should be focused on now.
Speaker 3: People have been calling in at eight o a KMBR
Speaker 3: four one five eight five sixty seven, Derek, I was
Speaker 3: just discussing behind the scenes here with Danny. Now, in
Speaker 3: front of the scenes. Nobody ever talks about in front
Speaker 3: of the scenes. It's always behind you ever know that?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's the right term, behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's talk about in front of the scenes.
Speaker 6: Is it ever really in front of the scenes, like
Speaker 6: in front of the scenes would be us. It's just this, Yeah,
Speaker 6: this is the scene. Danny's behind the scenes. And sometimes
Speaker 6: on the scene.
Speaker 3: I said to Danny, you know, Danny, when the Giants
Speaker 3: lose like a heartbreaking game, and today it was frustrated.
Speaker 3: Of course they lost, but I'm like, it's I'm sort
Speaker 3: of bey on that at this point, you can't hurt me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you can't hurt me and you can't break me.
Speaker 1: But you won't break me now, not in August, when.
Speaker 2: You can't break out of these cuffs. I can break
Speaker 2: out of these cuffs.
Speaker 3: Now when preseason starts tomorrow, I can break out of
Speaker 3: these cuffs. I said to Danny, I said, why we're
Speaker 3: getting calls? Man, I didn't know we'd get calls today
Speaker 3: on the Giants. He's like, yeah, I thought we would
Speaker 3: really damn Now, Dan, why would you say that fans
Speaker 3: are frustrated, Derek?
Speaker 2: They want to vent Okay about this game, No about
Speaker 2: the season? All right, Okay, that that.
Speaker 6: Makes more sense if we're analyzing every game at this point.
Speaker 6: I'm like, come on, guys, but I get it, Like,
Speaker 6: it's not just this season. It's been a long time
Speaker 6: now that the Giants have been mediocre, or as fans
Speaker 6: have said, ass, here's here's where.
Speaker 1: I would feel better though, Derek.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think people who are calling
Speaker 3: in we got Mario Patrick and Jonathan on the line,
Speaker 3: We'll get the calsure in just to say.
Speaker 1: You think people calling in turn on the radio and
Speaker 1: we're like, I'm I'm provoked. I'd like to call. Or
Speaker 1: do you think they saw the Giants lose the game
Speaker 1: and they were like, I gotta get this off my chest?
Speaker 2: A little bit of both.
Speaker 1: I like to think it's us.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's probably us. We probably provoked them a little bit.
Speaker 6: But also I'm sure people are like, I kind of
Speaker 6: want to hear that Mike McDonald's sound too.
Speaker 1: People, are you gonna play that Yamo b there?
Speaker 10: Or what?
Speaker 3: Let's go to Mario Mario's and Mario, when did you
Speaker 3: decide to call You're on the Sports Leader.
Speaker 5: Oh, I decided to call after the game because I
Speaker 5: honestly believe that the Giants, I will believe they will
Speaker 5: lose one hundred games for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: And I'm come on, lose one hundred games. We got
Speaker 1: a buster voodoo dollar there? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, this is the biggest buster voodoo doll I've ever created,
Speaker 5: because think about he's gonna be gone. He's gonna be
Speaker 5: and it's gonna take at least six years for these
Speaker 5: players to come up and do what you guys want
Speaker 5: to do. That's assuming that they developed them in they perform,
Speaker 5: which they won't. That guy they got from the Yankees
Speaker 5: is a stiff. Jackson Florida dropped at number four because
Speaker 5: his slider speed is off. That means the draft is
Speaker 5: gonna be a bust. Those guys are not gonna perform.
Speaker 5: They passed on all the hitters. There's not gonna be
Speaker 5: hitters for the next ten years. And what are you
Speaker 5: gonna do? How are you gonna You're digging yourself a hole.
Speaker 5: How are you gonna dig yourself out of that hole?
Speaker 5: And then come up above all these other teams that
Speaker 5: have their younger players getting experienced and getting better and better.
Speaker 5: The Giants always believes that the other the rest of
Speaker 5: the league stays the same, and then they're gonna get
Speaker 5: better and then they're gonna win. They're crazy. This is
Speaker 5: the curse of Buster Posey. It will live forever. People
Speaker 5: will die before they have a championship. He said, we
Speaker 5: make memories here. We make memories here.
Speaker 4: Hitters hit.
Speaker 5: We have the best left side of the infield in baseball.
Speaker 5: Those were all lies. You have the worst left side
Speaker 5: of the infield in baseball, and it costs you three
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty million dollars. And then you got Devers
Speaker 5: for another two hundred and eighty million, and you got
Speaker 5: Harrison Bader, and you got the Justin Verlan.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, they're not paying baby, going hold on, they're
Speaker 1: not paying him. Okay, Mario, let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: One thing I totally respect and love about Mario already
Speaker 3: is the dudes got to take and the dude is
Speaker 3: just standing buy it.
Speaker 1: And that's you know what.
Speaker 3: I don't agree with you, Mario, but I'm good with
Speaker 3: with you having your take in believing it. What I
Speaker 3: would ask you is this, do you believe gms are
Speaker 3: presidents of baseball? In any sport? Let's call it baseball
Speaker 3: but for now, But in any sport? Do you think
Speaker 3: they're capable of changing who they are? Especially early in
Speaker 3: Buster's tenure here, do you think they can change? Because
Speaker 3: you have no idea. I have no idea if Buster's
Speaker 3: capable of putting together a minor league system that can develop.
Speaker 3: Because I'll tell you what, dude, I never thought for
Speaker 3: a long time that Brian Sabian was capable of developing
Speaker 3: talent until the end of the Bonds era, when all
Speaker 3: they did was develop talent because they were not a
Speaker 3: team that brought up young players that were of great success.
Speaker 3: They were not a team that had tons of young pitching.
Speaker 3: They would acquire it from other teams. They would acquire
Speaker 3: fielders from other teams, and then they would become stables.
Speaker 1: Like Ken, like Richard really who they brought up. But
Speaker 1: there weren't a ton of guys like that.
Speaker 3: So until that era, when Tim Let's come out here,
Speaker 3: Matt came down here, Buster Posey got here, Madison Bumgunder
Speaker 3: got here, Joe Panic, Brandon Crawford, Brandon Belt, like, they
Speaker 3: weren't developing tons of talent. Do you do you not
Speaker 3: believe that a guy is capable of doing that? Because
Speaker 3: I don't think we've seen any We have not to
Speaker 3: this point seen any player Buster Posey is drafted, So like,
Speaker 3: how can you be so sure when we've seen a
Speaker 3: season and change of a guy's system.
Speaker 2: How could you be so sure?
Speaker 1: How could you be so sure?
Speaker 5: I'm positive? Is this because pos not developed talent? Because
Speaker 5: he is not a Billy Martin? That the information? Okay,
Speaker 5: So these hitters in these minor league hitters are intellectually
Speaker 5: dependent on him. The draft is intellectually dependent on him.
Speaker 5: But he's deferring all this stuff to Zach Manasian and
Speaker 5: the other troops, so he's really not doing any of
Speaker 5: the filtering. That's how he's not going to be able
Speaker 5: to develop all these players. And another thing, all those
Speaker 5: players you develop, You're right, Brian Samian didn't developing in
Speaker 5: those players. Brandon Crawford was ready made.
Speaker 3: But hold on, hold on, hold on, No, he was not.
Speaker 3: Bro hold on, now, I'm gonna stop you. Brandon Crawford
Speaker 3: was ready made. Brandon Crawford was a defensive shortstop that
Speaker 3: they drafted to be a defensive short stop. The guy
Speaker 3: came up, ended up making multiple All Star teams, became
Speaker 3: a guy who had multiple seasons of twenty home runs.
Speaker 3: He was ready made. He went from rookie ball to
Speaker 3: the majors over a.
Speaker 1: Number of years. What do you mean he was ready made?
Speaker 1: What do you mean, sod so, bron hold on, so.
Speaker 3: Brian Saban couldn't draft a guy who was ready made
Speaker 3: until Brandon Crawford showed up.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Buster Posey was ready made?
Speaker 1: Madison Bumguard was an eighteen year old a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old when they drafted him in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: He was the same grade I was in high school.
Speaker 1: He turned eighteen in August of that year. He's four
Speaker 1: months younger than I am. None of these guys were
Speaker 1: ready made. Matt Cain was a high school pitcher.
Speaker 3: Tim Linsekam was a guy who was drafted three times
Speaker 3: and wouldn't go as high as he did because he
Speaker 3: was a five foot nothing threw one hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3: They thought he'd break down, and he did with the
Speaker 3: Giants capitalized on what he was capable of. You're not
Speaker 3: gonna look at a player now and say, well, he
Speaker 3: doesn't count, So you're gonna take away credit from Buster
Speaker 3: when you haven't seen any of his results from anybody
Speaker 3: he's drafted. But you're not going to give credit to Sabian. Also,
Speaker 3: because you think that Brandon Crawford was ready made, Brendan
Speaker 3: Crawford would tell you to your face he was not
Speaker 3: ready made.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, Brandon Crawford, I knew him and
Speaker 5: he was seventeen years.
Speaker 1: That's not what I asked you.
Speaker 3: I don't care when you knew him I'm asking you
Speaker 3: who else was ready made? And why don't you think
Speaker 3: Buster is capable of developing talent when you've seen a
Speaker 3: year in change?
Speaker 5: Okay, Buster Posey was ready made?
Speaker 1: Now he wasn't he was ready made?
Speaker 5: How Florida State made him into a superstar. He would
Speaker 5: not be anything. If he didn't go to Florida State,
Speaker 5: he would have been nothing. He'd have been a fat
Speaker 5: short stop. Is so?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 5: Then? So?
Speaker 1: Then who's who's the best GM in baseball? Who do
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 5: Right now the best GM in baseball? Wow, that's a
Speaker 5: good question.
Speaker 1: How many? How a better question? How many GMS can
Speaker 1: you name in baseball?
Speaker 5: I can name all. I've met almost all of them, and.
Speaker 1: They didn't name one named the best one?
Speaker 7: Then?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Rand Brandon dom date, Okay, Dave Cavo said he wanted
Speaker 5: me to work with.
Speaker 1: David Cowell was the president of a team and he's
Speaker 1: not even there anymore. Wrong, Give me another one, David
Speaker 1: Forest days ago?
Speaker 3: Give me another one. You named all of the ones
Speaker 3: in but you know all the ones in baseball. You
Speaker 3: named a dude who's not employed anymore in a former president.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, give me another one.
Speaker 5: How about John Moselek.
Speaker 1: How about David John Mazeliak. Yeah, okay, so you've met
Speaker 1: him and you know him, he's the best of baseball.
Speaker 1: I met, I met Who's the best GM? And how
Speaker 1: many rings does a J. Pereler have?
Speaker 3: Who's the best GM in baseball? Because you clearly don't
Speaker 3: value them? How do you guys if you think they're
Speaker 3: who mey?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm just saying like, he's met all
Speaker 2: these gms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do you hang out, dude?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: No, I want to know.
Speaker 3: I want to know who you think the best one
Speaker 3: is and what they're what their good qualities are. How
Speaker 3: do you gauge a GM by saying no, they were
Speaker 3: ready made? Don't you get credit for drafting a guy?
Speaker 3: By the way, Buster won the number one pick one,
Speaker 3: the number two pick one, the number three pick one,
Speaker 3: the number four pick. How are you gonna say that
Speaker 3: this guy was ready made, had to go through years
Speaker 3: of monorn League baseball before he got here, and that
Speaker 3: he was he was ready made and you shouldn't get
Speaker 3: credit for drafting him.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Bro?
Speaker 9: Oh mate?
Speaker 5: You're you trying to say Ron Wotis helped Brandon.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. You're the only person saying names. Brother,
Speaker 1: you are the only guys saying names. I haven't brought
Speaker 1: up a name. You came with a name.
Speaker 3: I'm asking you to answer the question because you're naming
Speaker 3: things as fact that are completely your opinion.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I'm gonna drop another name. Mike Martin made
Speaker 5: Buster Posey. There, he made Cal Rawley, Okay. JD Drew, Stephen.
Speaker 1: Drew, Stephen J. D Drew and Stephen Okay. JD Drew.
Speaker 3: Who was the greatest college baseball player we'd ever seen
Speaker 3: since like the great We thought he was gonna be
Speaker 3: Mickey Mantle and he wasn't. So I guess the GM
Speaker 3: of the uh who drafted the Cardinals, the Braves, whoever
Speaker 3: was what team? Whatever team drafted you saying they ruined him?
Speaker 3: Then he was ready made and they ruined him.
Speaker 1: I guess right.
Speaker 3: Oh no, And I didn't say any of what you claimed.
Speaker 3: I was saying about Ron Wotis. So give me back
Speaker 3: to who's the best GM in baseball?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: You named three guys. One of them was a president,
Speaker 3: and two of them weren't employed anymore.
Speaker 11: Okay.
Speaker 5: I met Brian Cashman of the Yankees.
Speaker 1: Her a call, dog, thank you for the call.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he lost me on the original point that they
Speaker 6: would lose one hundred games the next ten years.
Speaker 1: I just want to I just wanted to hand him
Speaker 1: the shovel.
Speaker 2: No, it's fair. I was like, you take the shovel.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 6: I mean, he made some good points initially with the
Speaker 6: Giants when it came to you know, why they would
Speaker 6: lose one hundred games, But that's not happening. Like, what
Speaker 6: is he Stephen Colbert in Kirby Enthusiasm, you shall lose?
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I love him there.
Speaker 3: And finally, Cavil, the guy I saw at Connecticut Yankee
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you talking? He's hanging out with GM's all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hanging out with you?
Speaker 2: I met Maziliak Okay, that was interesting.
Speaker 1: I met. I said, who's the best? I met Cashman once?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah good.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: He's been winning a lot lately, a lot of rings
Speaker 3: since O nine. And also, dud Judge was ready made.
Speaker 3: I don't know why you're giving him credit. Yeah, Judge
Speaker 3: was ready made. Let's go to Patrick and Sider for Cisco. Patrick,
Speaker 3: I promise I'll be Oh no, he's gone, all right,
Speaker 3: we're gonna wait. We gotta break again. Dan, you're being
Speaker 3: real communicative dog? What was all get that other?
Speaker 1: Danny? Why don't you tell me who the best at?
Speaker 2: Did you start yelling at him? Start yelling at I
Speaker 2: don't know all the gms.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Camby are I'm not even mad. I'm I told
Speaker 1: the her to keep that around. Iim I get that call.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 1: That was like, Yeah, Webb was great the other night against.
Speaker 2: Uh play same team you played today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yesterday to eight away? Canvy are four and five?
Speaker 3: Over to call dirty work on a Wednesday afternoon. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many more breaks? Danny's just rolling him
Speaker 3: out at you.
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Speaker 3: gms being judged or presidents being judged by the amount
Speaker 3: of success that they're able to get from the team
Speaker 3: that they put on the field.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: They're responsible for the acquiring of talent, for the drafting
Speaker 3: of talent, for the developing of talent. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times we give credit to gms or presidents
Speaker 3: of baseball, and mostly it's baseball. I mean, because it takes,
Speaker 3: as I said, a long time for guys to reach
Speaker 3: their potential. Right, Like in football, Kyle Shannon had showed
Speaker 3: up in twenty seventeen, and I talk to you about
Speaker 3: this all the time, Derek, that first press conference they
Speaker 3: had where they had like eight guys up there on
Speaker 3: the podium.
Speaker 2: Oh we're up there.
Speaker 3: They had you check up there. You're like good Win
Speaker 3: Western Richburg. I mean that all kinds of guys.
Speaker 2: I remember recom.
Speaker 3: Minute for Kyle de Bick. These are the guys that
Speaker 3: are gonna fit into my system. Then you draft. It
Speaker 3: took a couple of years for dudes to work out.
Speaker 3: In baseball, it takes amount of time. Also in football,
Speaker 3: I always think it's a little bit ridiculous, not always,
Speaker 3: not always ridiculous. Sometimes you act a guy after year
Speaker 3: one and you're like, yeah, but you see something coming,
Speaker 3: or you see a system and things get ripped down
Speaker 3: and guy's development goes out the window.
Speaker 1: And baseball it's a bit different.
Speaker 3: Guys will take over an organization and Buster inherits all
Speaker 3: of the talent or lack thereof that far Anxiety put
Speaker 3: into the system.
Speaker 1: Right, he brought in.
Speaker 3: So it's going to take a number of years. But
Speaker 3: I'm not the one saying that the number fourteen or
Speaker 3: minor league system in baseball, that's evaluators, that's Baseball America.
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer that it's going to take a
Speaker 3: couple of years before we actually see that talent hit
Speaker 3: the field. The difference is that Farhun was here from
Speaker 3: nineteen until two years ago. Right, that's a long time,
Speaker 3: and we didn't see a lot come from his system,
Speaker 3: And that was something I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I understood all of the the margin moves, all the
Speaker 3: small moves, and I've actually not hated a lot of
Speaker 3: the moves on the margins for Buster Posey this year.
Speaker 3: It's the moves of magnitude of things that are supposed
Speaker 3: to be tectonic plate moving moves that are supposed to
Speaker 3: make a difference for the organization, And it's the margin
Speaker 3: moves that can make you better, incrementally better than teams
Speaker 3: that are also quality teams. The margins don't matter as
Speaker 3: much when the meat and potatoes aren't doing what they're
Speaker 3: supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Right, That's where I'm at.
Speaker 3: So when you're telling me that this isn't gonna work
Speaker 3: because Buster doesn't know what he's doing and developing talent,
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Why do you know? How do you know? None of
Speaker 1: us know? And to tell me that I don't know,
Speaker 1: or that you know and nobody else.
Speaker 3: Does is outrageous because you're just giving an opinion.
Speaker 1: You're preaching it as fact.
Speaker 3: And there are gms and talent like Brian Sabian. In
Speaker 3: twenty sixty there were people wearing and this was a
Speaker 3: whole thing with Ralph on the air and Tom. There
Speaker 3: was a fire Sabian dot com that was out there.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing guys at the ballpark wearing shirts with
Speaker 3: a cartoon face of Brian Zabian that said fire Brian Sabian.
Speaker 3: Because we were any of the end of the Bonds
Speaker 3: era and to that group of fans or that mindset then,
Speaker 3: and I was not a big believer in that. But
Speaker 3: at that point we hadn't seen an NLCS, they hadn't
Speaker 3: been to a World Series. They'd been invested in the
Speaker 3: Bonds era. But like Steph Curry, your job was to
Speaker 3: put talent around the best player in the game or
Speaker 3: the best player of the organization had seen. And that's
Speaker 3: what Brian Sabian did. As soon as Brian Sabian's gone
Speaker 3: or not gone, as soon as we know it's the
Speaker 3: end of the Bonds era, what happens. Tim Moltagon came up,
Speaker 3: Tim Moldzgabon, Berry, Bonds played together Bro from May until
Speaker 3: September of that year. They were on the same team
Speaker 3: in O seven. Brian Wilson was on the seven Giants,
Speaker 3: played with Barry Bonds. I think people forget that they
Speaker 3: were moving towards that generation three years prior to winning
Speaker 3: a World Series. Matt Kine was here in two thousand
Speaker 3: and five, he made his debut. He played with Berry
Speaker 3: for three seasons. Right, So you've got to be willing
Speaker 3: to look forward and say, all right, we've got a
Speaker 3: vision for the future. I think now based on what
Speaker 3: happened at the trade deadline. We've seen Buster has and
Speaker 3: he told this as much, we've got to shift gears,
Speaker 3: We've got to focus on that while also probably trying
Speaker 3: to fix a two timeline system where I don't think
Speaker 3: the talent on this team right now is incapable of
Speaker 3: being a team that is competitive, far more competitive than
Speaker 3: what we saw this year. But in my mind, you
Speaker 3: do not compete in baseball if you can't pitch it.
Speaker 3: It's the number one thing. I'd rather be a pitching
Speaker 3: team than a hitting team eight days a week, because
Speaker 3: you can win games like you won today, right, You
Speaker 3: can win it two to one, and winning eight seven
Speaker 3: is sometimes harder to do. You gotta keep scoring, and
Speaker 3: you gotta keep runs off the board. Defense wins championships,
Speaker 3: as they say in every sport, because it turns into
Speaker 3: offensive opportunities. In baseball, that's not exactly the same, right,
Speaker 3: Because you make a great defensive play, you don't get
Speaker 3: a good field position, you don't get a transition bucket
Speaker 3: out of it, but you do build momentum, and you
Speaker 3: do shut down the opposition's offense, and you build momentum
Speaker 3: for your offense. So it's a different situation. But I'm
Speaker 3: a big believer in drafting and defense and pitching for
Speaker 3: the future, and I'm to say that Buster is incapable
Speaker 3: of that or is not able to do that, I
Speaker 3: think is ridiculous.
Speaker 6: No, I would agree. I don't think we can say that. No,
Speaker 6: And let's not act like Buster is not gonna get
Speaker 6: like a huge leash here. He's Buster posey. Some people
Speaker 6: are saying like, well, he's not gonna be here, why
Speaker 6: because he chooses not to. Yeah, I could see that,
Speaker 6: but he's not gonna be fired, so he'll get plenty
Speaker 6: of time to develop players.
Speaker 2: I think that's ridiculous to say that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Could you question him and what.
Speaker 6: He did this offseason, yes, absolutely, But as far as
Speaker 6: what he'll do in the future, No, that's ridiculous. But
Speaker 6: we should be able to criticize gms, especially when they
Speaker 6: have press conferences yesterday or whatever it was, media zooms
Speaker 6: and you give up a hypothetical though maybe you'll trade
Speaker 6: away your.
Speaker 2: Star athlete if he wants to have that conversation.
Speaker 1: You're not talking, Steph Curry, are you? Oh? I am
Speaker 1: you know I'm not hearing. I'm not hearing.
Speaker 3: Mike Greer being like, yeah, dude, we'll listen and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about it with Macklin because.
Speaker 6: Uh, I gotta say, dude, I've not criticized Monk Michaelivy
Speaker 6: Junior in a lot of things. He's in a hard position.
Speaker 6: But that quote yesterday, like unprompted, Danny Amerman asked him
Speaker 6: like about Steph Curry's future, but out of nowhere at
Speaker 6: a left field to be like, now Steph wants to
Speaker 6: have a conversation about, you know, being traded away.
Speaker 2: We'll have that conversation with him, and he's earned the
Speaker 2: right to be granted that. Why would you say that?
Speaker 2: What the hell would you say that? You don't need
Speaker 2: to bring that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I'm with you. I don't know what are
Speaker 1: you talking about. I don't want to It almost sounded
Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about it.
Speaker 3: Almost sounds as though they were like greasing the skids
Speaker 3: for Steph to request the trade, until.
Speaker 6: Joe Lakeup went on Tim Kellacami's podcast and said no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: no no no a I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no.
Speaker 6: So there's a lot of audio we'll get to, but
Speaker 6: I think Joe went on Tim's podcast today to be like,
Speaker 6: let me put out the fire a little bit eight.
Speaker 3: Away, cambe our four one five eightyway five sixty seven
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Speaker 2: Okay, uh, the sports.
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Speaker 3: if it seekins or seconds.
Speaker 1: Four all of seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I bet you do, he says a side note.
Speaker 3: I went into a local dispensary over the weekend. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the dirty Work song was being played. Felt like I
Speaker 3: was walking into heaven.
Speaker 2: Helly, that's our audience, BA boy, I like you, dude, my.
Speaker 3: Tablet down here, Danny, I can't find my charger while
Speaker 3: we're in Sigmiquele. You know who's next on the on
Speaker 3: the phone lines.
Speaker 2: That's to Patrick in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Patrick in San Francisco. You're on the sports lead. What's up, bro?
Speaker 11: What's up?
Speaker 7: Guys?
Speaker 10: I'm gonna take the opposite track of Mario and his
Speaker 10: fifty year old Billy Martin reference here. Have a little optimism,
Speaker 10: all right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, me too. I'm trying to be more optimistic.
Speaker 10: Bro. There's you can look twenty four months from now.
Speaker 10: August of twenty twenty eight, There is a very good
Speaker 10: chance if they keep playing like they are that Parks Harbor,
Speaker 10: Gavin Kielin, and Johnny Level could be on the major
Speaker 10: league roster, with Bryce Eldred's under team control and Casey
Speaker 10: Schmidt in his first year of arbitration behind that. A
Speaker 10: year after that could be Luis Hernandez and Joshua ar Gonzalez.
Speaker 10: That seems to be a pretty solid foundation if we're
Speaker 10: basing it on their current minor league production. Sure that's
Speaker 10: some optimism for the future. Now you go back to
Speaker 10: that Joe Lake up two track thing and who's blocking
Speaker 10: and clogging up the infield. We all know who. I
Speaker 10: think the hope for the next year or two is
Speaker 10: somehow Chapman, Adamis and Devers can hopefully have bounce back
Speaker 10: seasons and we can maybe get out of these contracts.
Speaker 11: Somehow.
Speaker 10: We'll have to pay him down. But I would encourage
Speaker 10: for the optimism every Giants fan out there, if they
Speaker 10: haven't already, go download the Minor League Baseball app and
Speaker 10: I look at the box scores. There is hope for
Speaker 10: the future. Thank you, guys, Love you guys. Billy Martin, really.
Speaker 3: Billy Marten, Billy Marden, do you remember in a by
Speaker 3: the way, just just uh you know, I'm a big
Speaker 3: ocean's eleven.
Speaker 2: Twelve, Yeah, twelve, not so much. I love Julia Roberts
Speaker 2: is here.
Speaker 1: She's playing how many of her?
Speaker 2: Ridiculous? That was a choice, said Julia Roberts.
Speaker 1: That test.
Speaker 2: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: What the hell?
Speaker 3: She looks just like Julia Roberts. You know, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: forget that the Night Fox. I don't need twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 3: forget twelve. Okay, thirteen is great, Yeah, it's a perfect
Speaker 3: it's good. You know how I feel about thirteen is
Speaker 3: how I feel.
Speaker 1: About the Hangover. If you eliminate two, one and three
Speaker 1: are fun.
Speaker 2: Actually never saw three. I was so turned off by two.
Speaker 3: Three is a good sequel to two because it's a
Speaker 3: virtual it's like sort of the same not the same thing.
Speaker 3: But they didn't just try to put it in Thailand
Speaker 3: and Bangkok, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Has there ever been where a comedy had like three
Speaker 6: great like movies? I guess Austin Powers that's about it.
Speaker 3: See, I would would, just it's funny. In hindsight, I
Speaker 3: didn't love three as much as I do now. Oh,
Speaker 3: come on, goal member, No, I like it better now,
Speaker 3: but when it kept like I don't I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Sequel eight away came to our best.
Speaker 3: That's the only one of my book that's comedic. Sequel
Speaker 3: Are we going to Meet the Fox?
Speaker 1: Don't say? Schindler's List two.
Speaker 6: It's good, but it's not as funny electric boogloo.
Speaker 1: It's not as funny as the first. Oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding you know what I mean on that one?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Godfather too, not quite as funny as.
Speaker 2: The first one either.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: Got from the three is hilarious though, Sophia Coppola, she
Speaker 6: makes me laugh.
Speaker 3: Dying on the steps and all that du Yeah, get
Speaker 3: Andy Garcia the yeah, uh just what I thought out
Speaker 3: they pulled me back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, I saw somebody and don't get back
Speaker 3: to Oceans thirteen. OK, speaking of Pacino, I saw somebody
Speaker 3: put out a video on Twitter earlier today. It was
Speaker 3: a bootleg VHS of Heat, the original movie Heat, and
Speaker 3: it's you could tell, it's like literally, it's like somebody
Speaker 3: brought a video camera into a theater right in. Whenever
Speaker 3: you hear that movie, you're talking about the audience reaction,
Speaker 3: And yeah, did you see this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when he when he screamed, she had a great ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, but you hear the whole crowd in
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: How could you not laugh at that?
Speaker 1: I laughed? Still you got your head all the way
Speaker 1: up it.
Speaker 6: And then Hank Kazaria like it's not scripted. He actually says, Jesus, he's.
Speaker 1: Quoting gregor greg.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: But in Oceans thirteen and just back to Billy Martin,
Speaker 3: remember in the Oceans movies, they've gotten names for all
Speaker 3: the moves that they put on. So in like Ocean's Eleven,
Speaker 3: they're looking for somebody and they end up getting at
Speaker 3: Carl Reiner, who plays Saul. They said, we need the
Speaker 3: biggest el Fitzgerald there is right, we need to have
Speaker 3: all these names for it. Right, He's gonna play our
Speaker 3: Elephantzgerald A sall will be a great one. In the
Speaker 3: third one, when they screw over Saul, they steal his
Speaker 3: hotel and all that. Willie Bank is the character and
Speaker 3: it's al Pacino and the group of guys Danny Ocean's
Speaker 3: eleven are talking about, well, what should we do to
Speaker 3: get back at him? And he goes out of respect
Speaker 3: because he's an old school guy. He shook Sinatra's hand,
Speaker 3: and there's a cote amongst guys that shook Sinatra's hand. Right,
Speaker 3: He goes, you got to offer him? And out it's
Speaker 3: the Billy Martin. It's almost a second chance.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Billy.
Speaker 3: I always try to figure out what the meaning is
Speaker 3: of the fake names they use for it. My understanding,
Speaker 3: and just because I've seen the movie a thousand times,
Speaker 3: I assume that Billy Martin is the second chance to
Speaker 3: make it right. Because Billy Martin got fired by George
Speaker 3: Steinberg three times. Right, that's the story, right, So fired
Speaker 3: by Billy Martin three times?
Speaker 1: He goes.
Speaker 3: And then at one point, Danny Ocean George Kliney goes
Speaker 3: to meet with alput you know, and he goes, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna give you a chance to make it right.
Speaker 1: Give u what's his name?
Speaker 2: Car now?
Speaker 3: The other guy who steals a hotel from blanking, He goes,
Speaker 3: give him his give him his half share, give him
Speaker 3: his no, not talking about it's the dude Elliott Gould.
Speaker 2: Oh, Elliott Gould.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm blaking on his name of oh the character
Speaker 3: because he goes give him his half share. And then
Speaker 3: at one point out of nowhere. You get, you get,
Speaker 3: but you know going, is this a Billy Martin? I
Speaker 3: pass if he was too dumb or too stupid, did
Speaker 3: not know what was coming to him. But he knows
Speaker 3: that Billy Martin is a second sho like that. I
Speaker 3: like that reference better than I like Mario's reference to
Speaker 3: Billy Martin.
Speaker 6: No, it's code amongst the Vegas you know, it's it's elitist,
Speaker 6: not even elites.
Speaker 3: It's the guys who are in that crime community, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: connartist passed Rubin, that's his name anyway, the Billy Martin
Speaker 3: and Ocean's thirteen Danny. Who's our next collar on the line?
Speaker 2: Jonathan leaving the game?
Speaker 3: Jonathan, Well, I bet he's long left because I'm looking
Speaker 3: at seagulls now, Jonathan, you're on these sports leader, Hey.
Speaker 10: What's up?
Speaker 7: Coach with de pop love your should.
Speaker 11: Thanks for letting me on.
Speaker 9: Yeah, leave that game sitting in traffic on the way
Speaker 9: home the.
Speaker 11: Second So I'm obviously extra frustrated, but totally understand your
Speaker 11: guys's view. I'm letting the young guys play it. That's
Speaker 11: super exciting.
Speaker 9: I just I do get a little frustrated with we're
Speaker 9: all excited that a bunch of Pods they made all
Speaker 9: these great moves at the trade deadline this year and
Speaker 9: last year. But it's a little frustrated, and it's like
Speaker 9: he's making those moves to get back to five hundred,
Speaker 9: which you know, we fired farm On and Melvin for
Speaker 9: being five hundred, and he's like trying to make up
Speaker 9: for what he kind of is already best up, you know,
Speaker 9: And I know that bunch of pod is he's god
Speaker 9: as far.
Speaker 11: As a player, right, I mean, that's that's a different thing.
Speaker 11: But as a GM it's like, man, like we're we're
Speaker 11: just trying to get back to normal, which normal apparently
Speaker 11: it's five hundred, and it's like we're like, yeah, great moves,
Speaker 11: but I mean that's all we're doing. It's getting back
Speaker 11: to like being average. And it's just I thought he
Speaker 11: was hired to like excel us to the next level,
Speaker 11: not break us back to evening, if you know what
Speaker 11: I mean. And sorry guys, but you know, thank you
Speaker 11: for letting me on to the laid off leader kN
Speaker 11: the art.
Speaker 2: So no, I appreciate the laid off leader. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, better than who is that guy the A's had
Speaker 1: who is that leadoff.
Speaker 2: Guy is, oh, yeah, have a Ricky the greatest of
Speaker 2: all time?
Speaker 1: Do we have that call?
Speaker 2: I thought I was asking, like their current lead off.
Speaker 1: I thought he was too if any.
Speaker 3: I was like, Jacob Wilf, who as you talking about
Speaker 3: right now? And I was like he was like that
Speaker 3: leadoff in of the A's had.
Speaker 1: I was like Ricky.
Speaker 3: He's like yeah, yeah, Ricky, oh yeah, Ricky. He's out
Speaker 3: there smacking him out.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're right, you got.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, Ricky, let's rick up to these days.
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, the Giants will have one of those.
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody, nobody does. No, he's the greatest
Speaker 1: lead off inter of all time.
Speaker 6: No, but I mean I understand what he's saying, like, yes,
Speaker 6: it's it's hard to say. Are these moves great? I
Speaker 6: mean right now? Yeah, to set yourself up for success,
Speaker 6: But we don't know, we have no idea. I mean, like,
Speaker 6: are you saying, like they me these moves to get
Speaker 6: back to five hundred in time or right now? Because
Speaker 6: they're not going back to five hundred right.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this right now, Buster, Posey's goal is
Speaker 3: not to get to five hundred. Yeah, Buster, Posey's goal
Speaker 3: is not he wants to blow past five hundred. His
Speaker 3: goal last year was to finish in the playoff race
Speaker 3: or in the postseason. I would be I think Buster
Speaker 3: would tell you to your face and Derek, you know
Speaker 3: I'm big on truth serum. I've always got vials of
Speaker 3: it laying around. If Buster were to drink some of that,
Speaker 3: some of that truth serum, it's more hooch than truth zerum.
Speaker 3: Prison wine and my toilet if you in my but
Speaker 3: it is, don't forget my toilet's it's nice, Derek. Remember, yeah,
Speaker 3: got that big shower.
Speaker 2: The smurfs, the yeah whatever, this stirst of joy?
Speaker 3: How many smurfs could I fit in the showers, the
Speaker 3: free and the toilet apparently? Yeah, well that's that's a
Speaker 3: little smaller room, but it is off the main forget
Speaker 3: about We won't get into the dynamics enough from at home.
Speaker 3: But the Buster Posy's goal is not to get to
Speaker 3: five hundred. Buster Pos's goal is to make the postseason
Speaker 3: and to compete for world titles. So to say, the
Speaker 3: goal is to get back to the status quote. The
Speaker 3: status quote unfortunately became five hundred, and Buster didn't want
Speaker 3: that At all, he doesn't want mediocre. Buster wants to
Speaker 3: be elite, right, So to say these moves are just
Speaker 3: to get back to five hundred. If they got back
Speaker 3: to five hundred next year, I don't think people are happy,
Speaker 3: do you, Derek, I don't. I think we're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's better than last year.
Speaker 1: Happy.
Speaker 3: That's just back to where we were when you took over.
Speaker 3: That's not what's gonna make anybody happy, and that's not
Speaker 3: what's gonna make Buster or this organization happen. No, it's
Speaker 3: progress is turning the pit to that college point. I
Speaker 3: don't know that that's progress depending on how you get there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: Well, if you just compare it to what's going on
Speaker 6: this season and say that Tony Vaitello mates tries as
Speaker 6: a manager, then yes it is progress. But in the
Speaker 6: grand scheme of things, what we've seen for the last
Speaker 6: five or six years, No, it's still disappointing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the goal is five hundred. But
Speaker 3: I hear what he said, the goal. He made these moves,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I think they underachieved this year.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Once you say, even with the roster they had.
Speaker 1: I think that was an underachievement, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like even like I just even though they didn't add
Speaker 3: to the bullpen, even though the rotation wasn't where we
Speaker 3: hoped it would be, I can't help but feel like
Speaker 3: this team underperformed even what we thought they were capable of,
Speaker 3: which means I still have got some hope for next year.
Speaker 3: And I think people will have lower expectations next year
Speaker 3: because of what happened this season. But I do not
Speaker 3: think that you should be in the mindset that Buster
Speaker 3: Posey's trying to get back to five hundred, Buster Posey's
Speaker 3: trying to make the playoffs. The goal is not next year,
Speaker 3: all right, well, let's just get back to where we
Speaker 3: were two years ago. That's that's not a way to
Speaker 3: come about building a winning team.
Speaker 2: No, he's not trying to do that.
Speaker 6: That may be the case, but no, his end goal
Speaker 6: is to get this team back in the memory making
Speaker 6: business to win World Series.
Speaker 2: That's what he wants to do. This may take longer
Speaker 2: than anticipated.
Speaker 3: Eight away came to our four one, five, five to
Speaker 3: sixty seven. We got to take a quick break another one, Danny,
Speaker 3: is anybody still on the liner, come and get into
Speaker 3: some some sound from uh from around the sports world.
Speaker 1: Now we're okay with Danny. We can do niners. We'll
Speaker 1: get to niners. We doing niners. We're getting into Michael McDonald.
Speaker 6: I'd say, let's let's let's save Mike McDonald's. Let's let's
Speaker 6: get to this Joe Lake up in. Dun't leavey Sudi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this McDonald sounds better.
Speaker 3: Live up to it, all right, as much as five
Speaker 3: and teas in it. Dude, let's get into this because
Speaker 3: I think this is a big story.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You got Mike Dunleavy yesterday saying, hey, you know, if
Speaker 3: Steph Curry, if some team called for a trade, we
Speaker 3: would ask Steph about it because he's earned that right.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, yo, yo, why are you talking
Speaker 3: about trading Steph? After you're like, hey, by the way,
Speaker 3: we took a lot of calls on a lot of players.
Speaker 3: I cold called a lot of teams. I'm trying hard.
Speaker 1: I just haven't succeeded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to.
Speaker 3: That's maybe the most frustrating part of this away KMBR
Speaker 3: is a number to call. Mike dunleyvy taking calls on
Speaker 3: how he would go about trading Steph Curry. Why is
Speaker 3: he even talking about this. We'll do it next.
Speaker 1: On The Sports Leader, she got off great ass