WEBVTT - The Brutal Truth About LA’s Drug Crisis | Heather Mac Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone number one eight hundred two two two five

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<v Speaker 1>two two two. It is our pleasure to welcome our

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<v Speaker 1>next guest to the program. She is a fellow at

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<v Speaker 1>the Manhattan Institute, a contributing editor to City Journal, and

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<v Speaker 1>author of many best selling books, most recently when Race

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Merit available online at Amazon dot com. Heather MacDonald welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you John so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, thanks so much for stopping by.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have a big mayoral election going on in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles where we have I guess, two different brands

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<v Speaker 1>of the same flavor of ice cream. Where we have

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Bass, the incumbent mayor, who wants another four years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we have a DSA member of the City Council,

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<v Speaker 1>Nitia Rahman, who was chair of the homeless committee, who

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<v Speaker 1>now wants a promotion and she wants to be mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles. What was interesting to me is we

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<v Speaker 1>just had new homeless numbers that came out that showed

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<v Speaker 1>that the number of people living on the streets in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles went up despite the fact that we are

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<v Speaker 1>spending a record amount of money on homeless services. What

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<v Speaker 1>we are doing is not working. I should add it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't just Los Angeles. We saw the same thing happen

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<v Speaker 1>in Long Beach. While other parts of the country are

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing a decline in people living on the streets, big

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<v Speaker 1>cities here in California are going in the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>What was interesting to me was the reaction to these numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>because no one, whether it be Bass or Ramen or

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<v Speaker 1>anyone on the council that I can think of, looked

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<v Speaker 1>at these numbers and said, for Heaven's sake, what we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing is not working. Maybe it's time to try something new.

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<v Speaker 1>What they did was they looked for ways to assign

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<v Speaker 1>blame to other people. They blame the federal government for

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<v Speaker 1>cuts in funds, they blame the state government for cuts

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<v Speaker 1>in funds, and they said, what we need is more

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<v Speaker 1>money to spend on the programs that we're spending on

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<v Speaker 1>money now. This is a housing problem first, and we

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<v Speaker 1>need to double down, triple down, and quadruple down on

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing right now. And I thought to myself, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's hopeless your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>It sure does look hopeless, John. I mean, we have

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<v Speaker 3>the best opportunity in years to end this charade, this farce,

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<v Speaker 3>this absolutely dangerous public condition. In the primary, and voters

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<v Speaker 3>in LA show that they're simply not willing to speak

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<v Speaker 3>the truth to blame. Put the blame where it belongs

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<v Speaker 3>for the homeless, the vagrancy problem, which is squarely on

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<v Speaker 3>public officials. This is not some naturally occurring phenomenon or

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<v Speaker 3>the result of bad economy lack of funding that the

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<v Speaker 3>poor government officials are simply trying desperately to solve with

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<v Speaker 3>more money. It is the result of public officials decision

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<v Speaker 3>to allow street vagrancy, to not keep the streets clean

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<v Speaker 3>for the people who are paying taxes, who are contributing

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<v Speaker 3>to the city, and instead, government officials place all of

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<v Speaker 3>their attention, all of their funding on the most dysfunctional, dangerous,

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<v Speaker 3>anti social members of society. It is a complete application

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<v Speaker 3>of government responsibility. But the narrative is that vagrancy, street vagrancy,

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<v Speaker 3>street drug addiction, street mental illness is a result of inequality, racism, poverty,

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<v Speaker 3>the usual housing lack, which is the biggest fiction that

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<v Speaker 3>was ever generated by any kind of poverty industrial complex,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was wildly successful. And so the solution is

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<v Speaker 3>to throw more good money after bad. We just haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been spending money enough, and that's a lie. But it

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<v Speaker 3>seems like voters are simply not fed up enough with

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<v Speaker 3>seeing Los Angeles change its character in such tragic, radical

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<v Speaker 3>ways from what we who grew up in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 3>took for granted decades ago.

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<v Speaker 1>This attitude that it's a housing problem and not a

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<v Speaker 1>drug problem and a mental illness problem. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>there's so wed to that because so many of their

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<v Speaker 1>contributors are developers who profit from housing that is subsidized

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<v Speaker 1>by the government, or do you think they honestly buy

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<v Speaker 1>into it, because if they buy into that, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not their permissive attitude about drugs that's causing this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's clearly not their permissive attitude about retail theft that's

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<v Speaker 1>contributing to this. It's clearly not their attitude about shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down the prisons that's contributing to this. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>housing issue, and we need to build more well.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's both a financial self interest, because yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there are huge lobbies interests that are have enormous profits

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<v Speaker 3>on the line with this phony narrative about it's the

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<v Speaker 3>lack of affordable housing. I think it's also an ideological

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<v Speaker 3>interest where I think for the advocates and for many

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<v Speaker 3>of these left wing politicians, having vagrants on the streets

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<v Speaker 3>is visual proof that America is a heartless society. Capitalism

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work, that the free market in housing doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 3>that we need government housing, that we need more transfer

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<v Speaker 3>of wealth from the hard working to the non working.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, I think there's an investment politically

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<v Speaker 3>in the status quo. But you know, let me just

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<v Speaker 3>reinforce what you're saying, John, anytime there's a brief whiff

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<v Speaker 3>of honesty in the mainstream media, occasionally you get Soto

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<v Speaker 3>Voce reporting on the shelter resistance phenomenon, which I have

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<v Speaker 3>witnessed numerous times. I've done reporting on the ground in

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<v Speaker 3>skid row, in the tenderloin in San Francisco, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you name it, in Santa Anna Civic Center, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>witnessed the vagrants be offered housing and services by these

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<v Speaker 3>feckless outreach workers who, again, they have a stake in

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<v Speaker 3>keeping the status quo as bad as possible. You can

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<v Speaker 3>offer the vagrants all the housing you want, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to turn it down because they would rather be

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<v Speaker 3>on the streets where they have easy access to drugs,

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<v Speaker 3>easy access to food. You know, I remember there's been

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<v Speaker 3>programs that delivered pizza to people's cardboard boxes in North

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<v Speaker 3>Face tents on skid Row, and I've talked to people

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<v Speaker 3>that have told me skid Row is known across the

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<v Speaker 3>country as a party scene. People come from as far

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<v Speaker 3>away as Iowa to just be able to hang out,

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<v Speaker 3>do drugs, sex, traffic, and get away with in some cases,

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<v Speaker 3>literally bloody murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Popular culture glorifies the use of drugs, whether it is marijuana,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is some of the harder drugs. You go

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<v Speaker 1>in any comedy club in America, and the quickest way

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<v Speaker 1>to get a laugh is to do jokes about weed,

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<v Speaker 1>to do jokes about marijuana, to do jokes about being high,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. And if you were someone

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't embrace that, if you're someone who doesn't think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's cute, if you're someone who doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's good for society, you kind of you're like the

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<v Speaker 1>dad and bye by Bertie. You know, you're looked at

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<v Speaker 1>as one of these stodgy people who just can't get

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<v Speaker 1>with the times.

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<v Speaker 4>You're from a different era.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there are so many politicians who

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<v Speaker 1>can intellectually connect the dots that a permissive attitude about

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<v Speaker 1>drugs has been bad for homelessness and bad for the culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But they are so afraid at the blowback and of

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<v Speaker 1>looking like a relic from a previous generation that they

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<v Speaker 1>will not publicly acknowledge that. But the permissive attitude about

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<v Speaker 1>drugs to me was original sin when it comes to homelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's when the domino started falling.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely they the vagrant population has two overwhelming characteristics, mental

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<v Speaker 3>illness and chemical addiction. The sort of medical industry refers

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<v Speaker 3>to this population as the MICA population mentally ill chemical abusers,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can see them on the streets of San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 3>these scarecrow white atticts that were absolutely destroyed in the

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<v Speaker 3>sixties and now here they are living off the public dime, stealing,

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<v Speaker 3>destroying any hope for urban renewal. I don't know quite though,

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<v Speaker 3>why you think, John, that people politicians know the truth

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<v Speaker 3>and yet are simply too cowardly to act upon it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure. I think they may still believe that

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<v Speaker 3>this is somehow a right and was a release from

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<v Speaker 3>bourgeois norms. But all this did begin in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixties with the elevation of youth culture and the abdication

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<v Speaker 3>of adult responsibility. That said used to say, if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to succeed in life, you need to embrace certain

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<v Speaker 3>bourgeois norms above all abstinence or at least temperance, self

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<v Speaker 3>you know, deferred gratification, self discipline, working hard. And the sixties,

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<v Speaker 3>with the flower power and the tune in and drop out,

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<v Speaker 3>we were such a wealthy generation, more wealthy than any

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<v Speaker 3>time in human history, that parents were able to subsidize

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<v Speaker 3>their teenagers to go to Woodstock to you know, dance

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<v Speaker 3>as flower children. And somehow a good portion of those

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<v Speaker 3>kids were able to somehow get on their two feet.

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<v Speaker 3>The very poor that also had no more moral support

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<v Speaker 3>in the culture at large to be you know, abstinent, temperate,

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<v Speaker 3>uh and and and self disciplining. They're the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>had a very hard time keeping up and surviving in

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<v Speaker 3>this new celebration of Bacchanali and Dionysian self destructive behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>And and a lot of these people are on the streets.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, frankly, let's be honest, the vagrant population has

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<v Speaker 3>a strong racial divide.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got the white hate Ashbury vagrants that are you know,

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmingly stealing from Starbucks, and Whole Foods in in uh

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<v Speaker 3>in San Francisco. And then you've got the even more

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<v Speaker 3>dystopian situation of skid row in Los Angeles, which is

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<v Speaker 3>almost exclusively black, different drug of choice, uh uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>and that has even more more cause than the white,

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<v Speaker 3>washed up hippie addics.

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<v Speaker 1>If a county sheriff or a police chief were to

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<v Speaker 1>come to you for advice and say, Heather, it is

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<v Speaker 1>illegal to have drug paraphernalia. That is something that is

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<v Speaker 1>a violation of the law, and if we find it

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<v Speaker 1>on you, in theory, you're breaking the law and we

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<v Speaker 1>can take you in for.

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<v Speaker 4>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We have county public health departments that are passing out

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<v Speaker 1>drug paraphernalia on a daily basis as part of their

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<v Speaker 1>harm reduction idiotic idea that they all buy into, and

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<v Speaker 1>they are taking items that are illegal, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>giving them to people who they know are struggling with addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're giving.

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<v Speaker 4>Them the tools that they need to kill themselves with.

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<v Speaker 1>What should I do about these county public health departments

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<v Speaker 1>that are technically doing something illegal in my jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a great question, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 3>put in as an aside that harm reduction is almost

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<v Speaker 3>as brilliant as Madison Avenue rebranding as homelessness uh because

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<v Speaker 3>of course it's not reducing harm, it is perpetuating harm.

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<v Speaker 3>The only, the only possible hope for people and and

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<v Speaker 3>and Louisiana has has insticated this, but these have been

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<v Speaker 3>around for a long time is homeless courts uh and

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<v Speaker 3>and Louisiana is using a block grant from the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>administration that is finally moving federal funding away from the

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<v Speaker 3>housing first charade and and and travesty towards no your city,

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<v Speaker 3>Your city obligation if you want federal funding is to

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<v Speaker 3>enforce laws against public camping, against public drug use, uh

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<v Speaker 3>and and get people off the streets, that is number

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<v Speaker 3>one priority, off the streets into treatment, ideally as far

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<v Speaker 3>away from urban centers as possible. But the homeless court

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<v Speaker 3>idea is that you say, okay, you've you've violated the

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<v Speaker 3>law by camping in public or or drug use. You

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<v Speaker 3>have you have a criminal conviction hanging over you. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you enroll in treatment for a year, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to give you treatment. We're going to give you services,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to give you job training, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>give you housing access. If you stay in our program

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<v Speaker 3>for a year, we will wipe off your criminal record

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<v Speaker 3>and you can go about your ways with with with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, no no uh, serious consequences. That's the way

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<v Speaker 3>to get people clean. Giving them more paraphernalia. Literally, it

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<v Speaker 3>literally guarantees that they're never going to get clean and

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<v Speaker 3>that they will stay on the streets and the cycle

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<v Speaker 3>will just continue, to the enormous benefit of these anti

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<v Speaker 3>order nonprofits and the for profit providers that are taking

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<v Speaker 3>luxury housing, creating eighty thousand dollars a million dollar units

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<v Speaker 3>with taxpayer funding to allow addicts to have a crash

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<v Speaker 3>pad every so often.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's shift gears here for a second and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the street takeovers, because we cover these on a regular

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<v Speaker 1>basis here. They happen in southern California. They happen in

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<v Speaker 1>northern California. Vallejo is a community that has experienced a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these. When people hear street takeovers, they think

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<v Speaker 1>about the movie Fast and Furious, They think about donuts,

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<v Speaker 1>They think about teenagers having a good time. What they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know is that frequently pedestrians get hit.

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<v Speaker 4>Frequently, after the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Takeover is completed, they go loot an auto zone, or

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<v Speaker 1>they go loot a liquor store or some strip mall

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<v Speaker 1>gets obliterated by the crowd that's there. They overwhelm the cops,

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<v Speaker 1>So the cops frequently don't even show up until the

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<v Speaker 1>street takeover is over, because there's no point. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have two black and white show up and you have

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred people there, there's not much the cops can do.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops just write a report after it's over, and

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<v Speaker 1>many times zero arrests are made. There are some cities

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<v Speaker 1>in the Central Valley, however, that are getting very aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>at impounding cars that are found at the scene of

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<v Speaker 1>these takeovers, and oh boy, is that working. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you make of what they're doing right now in the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Valley compared to Los Angeles in the Bay Area,

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<v Speaker 1>it should.

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<v Speaker 3>Be zero tolerance. This is simply I'm not even going

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<v Speaker 3>to give them any credit and say, oh, well, people

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<v Speaker 3>think this is just fun teams doing donuts. It was

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<v Speaker 3>never fun. It was never okay. You cannot colonize public

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<v Speaker 3>streets unless, of course, your Black Lives Matter activists or

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<v Speaker 3>your vagrant encampment, or you're engaged in this extraordinarily reckless

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<v Speaker 3>behavior that that you know what if you're an emergency

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.080
<v Speaker 3>service worker, you're an ambulance or a fire truck having

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<v Speaker 3>to get through an intersection and there they are careening

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<v Speaker 3>around in circles. It's it's absolutely unacceptable, and yes, the

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<v Speaker 3>solution has to be declaring an emergency, emergency curfew and

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<v Speaker 3>emergency impoundment. This is going on in Florida as well.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a very tough sheriff, Mike Chitwood at Valusia County

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<v Speaker 3>that has sent out the same message there there has

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<v Speaker 3>to be zero tolerance for this. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>saw as soon as the sixth Avenue Bridge in La

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<v Speaker 3>opened up, everybody was glorying and it's it's it's uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, wonderful bridge and different communities of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only was it immediately graffiti written, but it also

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<v Speaker 3>became the site of more these takeovers. So there is

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<v Speaker 3>nothing fun about, or should be nothing that the public

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<v Speaker 3>regards as fun and acceptable about this assault on public order,

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<v Speaker 3>on the thoroughfares, the ability of law abiding people to

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<v Speaker 3>use cities for what they are for, which is getting around,

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<v Speaker 3>being able to get to work safely without fear, being

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<v Speaker 3>able to take your children to school safely, and without fear,

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<v Speaker 3>without having to witness people shooting up drugs, masturbating in public,

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<v Speaker 3>defecating and urinating in public. We have simply given up

0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 3>the ghost in Los Angeles on maintaining a civilized society.

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<v Speaker 2>It's up at over seven thousand views. And the more

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<v Speaker 2>that out there on YouTube, the more people might find

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<v Speaker 2>maybe something like Javier Besera is a chicken, because Javierbsera

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<v Speaker 2>is a chicken and refuses to agree to any debates.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone number one eight hundred two to two two two.

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<v Speaker 1>In their infinite wisdom, the geniuses in Sacramento think it

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<v Speaker 1>might be a good idea to completely overhaul the way

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<v Speaker 1>we deal with security guards right before the Olympics come

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<v Speaker 1>to town.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about doing the same thing to security guards

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<v Speaker 2>that we did to fast food workers. A blanket minimum

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<v Speaker 2>wage and a blanket training standard and all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>other things that might make it very difficult to hire

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<v Speaker 2>security guards for certain businesses. What does all this mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find out. Here's a report from k A three

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<v Speaker 2>and Ashley Zavalla, a.

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<v Speaker 6>Live look over the state capitol right now, where California

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<v Speaker 6>lawmakers face another key deadline this Thursday to move forward

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<v Speaker 6>with new proposed laws. One of the proposals close to

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<v Speaker 6>the finish line is one that attempts to set new

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<v Speaker 6>training requirements for private security guards and increase their minimum

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<v Speaker 6>wage three plas.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what we do now, and they've realized that

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to blanket increase the minimum wage outside of

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<v Speaker 2>what we have that goes up every year with inflation,

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<v Speaker 2>but like trying to do twenty five thirty, what have you,

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't an appetite for that. So what we do

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<v Speaker 2>is we get the unions to get the legislature to

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<v Speaker 2>pass these very specific minimum wages.

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<v Speaker 7>We see this at the state level.

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<v Speaker 2>We've also seen this at the city level, where the

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<v Speaker 2>City of Los Angeles, although they're trying to walk it back,

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<v Speaker 2>now authorized a thirty dollars hour an hour minimum wage

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty twenty eight to four tourism workers. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you work at the hotel at a Hilton, you make

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<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars an hour. If you work at the restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>right next to the Hilton, you make minimum wage, because

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you're dealing with security guards, I would

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that depending on the venue, the job description can

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<v Speaker 1>be very different. If you're a security guard at a bar,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're a security guard at a nightclub or at

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<v Speaker 1>a strip club, my guess is you might have to

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<v Speaker 1>get involved in a wrestling match every now and then. However,

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>if you're the security guard at a museum, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>the security guard at I don't know, a baseball stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>my guess is what you're doing is crowd control. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to get people to stay on the main thoroughfares,

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<v Speaker 1>go this way, go that way, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't need to know how to use a weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how many of those people when you go to

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<v Speaker 2>a big venue like a concert or a stadium, that

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<v Speaker 2>are in like those yellow shirts. How many of those

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<v Speaker 2>jobs are classified as security? So how many people would

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<v Speaker 2>this actually affect? It might be a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we have to include in the category

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<v Speaker 2>because it's what I made the picture for this. Mall

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<v Speaker 2>cops on segues they count to I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 2>but the AI Google Gemini made me much fatter than

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<v Speaker 2>I usually am.

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<v Speaker 7>When I said make me.

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<v Speaker 2>Look like a mall cop, I let it slide, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh wow, that's what I used to

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<v Speaker 2>look like.

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<v Speaker 8>Prizabollo explains the warning from private security and how the

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<v Speaker 8>bill's supporters are responding.

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<v Speaker 9>We're talking about Senate Bill twelve. Oh, three, which is

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<v Speaker 9>being pushed by SCIU California.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, where the SEIUS just got their hands into everything, same.

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<v Speaker 9>Group that sponsored the bill that ended up brazing California's

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<v Speaker 9>fast food minimum wage to twenty dollars an hour. The

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<v Speaker 9>private security industry says the cost of security in California

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<v Speaker 9>could become unaffordable if state leaders approve this. This latest

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<v Speaker 9>proposal related to security guards would specifically first prohibit private

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<v Speaker 9>patrol operators from providing de escalation training and instead put

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<v Speaker 9>that responsibility into the hands of an organization that has

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<v Speaker 9>yet to be determined.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's an organization represented by the SEIU.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sure, and I'm sure they're politically connected, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's going to be very woke.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how California politics works. It's honestly the main

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<v Speaker 2>issue outside of just the how you're going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the big issues with the billionaires tax

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<v Speaker 2>is that whether you're playing around with the legislature or

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting something on the ballot, this incredibly powerful union

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<v Speaker 2>can get legislation passed that specifically benefits them, and they

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<v Speaker 2>do it all the time.

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<v Speaker 9>The security guard agencies would be responsible for paying for

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<v Speaker 9>this starting in twenty twenty eight. It would also require

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<v Speaker 9>all security guards to annually complete a minimum of eight

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<v Speaker 9>hours of this training.

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<v Speaker 7>Do ambassadors kunt of security guards?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's going to be like the online sexual

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<v Speaker 1>harassment training where you just have to watch the videos

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<v Speaker 1>and take the quizzes.

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<v Speaker 7>They're getting smarter at those.

0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>They know when you're not actively looking at the window,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 2>you got caught last time.

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<v Speaker 9>It also attempts to resurrect the now defunct California Industrial

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<v Speaker 9>Welfare Commission in twenty twenty seven. They would specifically be

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 9>responsible for increasing the minimum wage of security guards.

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<v Speaker 2>So we would have an unelected bureaucracy that would increase

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<v Speaker 2>these wages for this very specific kind of job without

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of vote.

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<v Speaker 7>That sounds like the SEIU.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have that with the Fast Food Council. I

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>guess that's the model.

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Although apparently that council has disbanded because they haven't met

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 2>in like two years.

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<v Speaker 4>Too much Heartburn.

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<v Speaker 9>Spoke with the leader of the California Association of Licensed

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<v Speaker 9>Security Agencies, Guards and Associates, who said, this is a

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<v Speaker 9>solution to a problem. The state does not have.

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<v Speaker 7>To put it in a perspective.

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<v Speaker 9>How many businesses could especially be impacted by this.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I believe over ninety percent of businesses or small

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 10>businesses that have security. Grocery stores, of pharmacies, schools, hospitals, buildings, transportation,

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 10>everywhere you turn those security now and it's going to

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<v Speaker 10>have a big impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now you actually have to wonder how many security

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 2>guard jobs are in the state of California, how many

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>security guard jobs in California, because it sounds like a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just at the outlet mall in Cabazon, and

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<v Speaker 1>at that mall, they have a lot of high end

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<v Speaker 1>stores that sell things like women's purses, and each one

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of those stores that sells high end women's purses will

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<v Speaker 1>only allow like five people in at a time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they keep a line outside and they have more

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<v Speaker 1>security then. I don't know, the Queen's Crown Jewels. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just security guard, security guard, security guard, everywhere you turn.

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<v Speaker 4>How often do they get robbed?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, there's two things going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>One, if they do get robbed, it's a massive thing,

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<v Speaker 2>like what happened at you know, many years ago in

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco with the Louis Vauton. But Also, having that

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>massive line of people waiting outside to get in attracts

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>more people to be like, well, what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>this line?

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<v Speaker 1>It was all old Asian ladies who were having heat stroke.

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<v Speaker 2>California, according to Gemini, applies employees over one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three thousand security guards. This would affect a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of small businesses.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, currently we don't have enough law enforcement officers

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<v Speaker 10>in California to do the job that they want to do.

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<v Speaker 5>All.

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<v Speaker 10>This bill is supposed to implement two weeks before the

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<v Speaker 10>Olympics takes place in Los Angeles, which is going to

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<v Speaker 10>be genested.

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<v Speaker 6>I was going to ask you about that. In July

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<v Speaker 6>first of twenty twenty eight is when this would take effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, of course it would, because we're going to need

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of security guards for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy, it's like they try to find out what would

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<v Speaker 1>be the worst possible timing.

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<v Speaker 6>What impact would it have specifically on the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we'd have to train three hundred and sixty thousand

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 10>guars in two weeks. I'm not sure who's going to

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<v Speaker 10>do that or how they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 10>do that.

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<v Speaker 9>Now we've been working on this story for a week.

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<v Speaker 9>SCIU California in that timeframe would not make anyone available

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<v Speaker 9>for an interview with me on this bill.

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<v Speaker 7>What the hell is that about?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they don't have the answers to any of these questions.

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>They don't know what they're going to how they're going

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to make this happen.

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>The public unions in this state and the SEIU represents

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>public workers and private workers, but they have so much

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>influence in this state. We should not have a system

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>where they can lobby for things that specifically just benefit them,

0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>because we've seen what the result.

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<v Speaker 7>Is with that.

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<v Speaker 9>CiU California's David Whatta gave us this statement in part.

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<v Speaker 9>He said, every day security officers face split second decisions

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 9>that can change lives, yet current law requires only eight

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 9>hours of initial training before sending them into high stakes situations. This,

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 9>paired with low wages that lead to higher turnover, has

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 9>undermined officers readiness for the grave responsibility of protecting the public.

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<v Speaker 9>He went on to say SB twelve O three and.

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<v Speaker 7>Then imagine whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say they make the minimum wage twenty five dollars

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>an hour, and right now hospital workers are getting twenty

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>five dollars an hour like, wait a second, they're getting

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty five dollars an hour just to be the security guard.

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 7>What the hell, where's my thirty dollars an hour?

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<v Speaker 2>And then you have all these different industries screaming at

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the legislature, where's my raise?

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, this is also in an industry.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>This is an industry that is based on graft. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a security guard and you're sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>front of a bar and you decide who gets in

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and who doesn't, guess what a guy with a fifty

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>dollars bill doesn't have to wait in line, and guess

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>what a guy with one hundred dollars bill is going

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to get you to look the other way if you're

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>with someone whose id doesn't look totally legit. If all

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, you're going to make these people operate

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<v Speaker 1>by the book and you're going to institute all of

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>these rules, you're going to kill their ability to make money.

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<v Speaker 9>Urgently modernizes state law by establishing standards for training, wages,

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<v Speaker 9>and working conditions, including de escalation training that could save lives.

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<v Speaker 9>He continued, Private security is a thirty four billion dollar industry,

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<v Speaker 9>and here in California, the workforce faces a staggering ninety

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 9>one percent annual turnover rate.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that because of high wages or is that security

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>guards that get caught stealing.

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<v Speaker 9>End quote. Now, the bill is part of the suspense

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 9>hearing that's happening in the Assembly Appropriations Committee this upcoming Thursday.

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 9>That's when bills basically pass or die without discussion. Wlilemakers

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 9>have until the end of this month to pass new

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 9>laws for the year back to you.

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<v Speaker 7>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Another industry might be getting their own carve out minimum wage,

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:14.800
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Every politician in the state of California runs on the

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>subject of affordability. They claim that it's too expensive to

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<v Speaker 1>live here and they're going to do everything they can

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>to make it less expensive. Yet, Randy, it seems that

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<v Speaker 1>all they seem to do is spend their time making

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<v Speaker 1>things more expensive in California. For California homeowners, the.

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco bard Is Supervisors a few years ago passed

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<v Speaker 2>a new mandate to the fire code that condos in

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<v Speaker 2>buildings that were built before I think the seventies that

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>were at least twelve stories tall, had to have sprinkler

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>systems in all the units. And that mandate might cost

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>condo owners hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>Great For more, here's NBC in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm Audrey Cistia and I'm Roj Mathi.

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<v Speaker 8>A sprinkler mandate coming to San Francisco is going to

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 8>be costly for a lot of people. According to a

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.879
<v Speaker 8>new analysis from the city, upgrades for some homes could

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 8>range from fifteen thousand bucks to nearly a quarter of

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 8>a million.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy cow, imagine two hundred and fifty thousand dollars just

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to be compliant with some government regulations.

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<v Speaker 11>A lot of condo owners are complaining that this mandate

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 11>is too expensive. The new analysis will be part of

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 11>an Advisory council review of how this mandate may actually

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 11>be carried out. Here's Nbcbay Area Serrio Kintana.

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<v Speaker 12>At the Heights condominium building in this corm you got.

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<v Speaker 2>To add bad times all the units. Wouldn't it be

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>cheaper to tear down the whole building and start from scratch?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 12>These Pacific Heights neighborhood. Steven Stiller showed us the sprinkler

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:14.399
<v Speaker 12>systems at.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.960
<v Speaker 7>All Ocivic Heights that is a ritzy part of town.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 12>Already exist in the building's too, external fire escapes and

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 12>inside the building's halls.

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:24.360
<v Speaker 7>But these sprinkler.

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 12>Systems are not enough to satisfy the city's sprinkler mandate.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's why you can't have a blanket law that

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 5>covers every building indiscriminately.

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<v Speaker 7>This has to be tailored the height.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would ever be brave enough to

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<v Speaker 2>wear leopard glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think of leopard glasses I think of Paul

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Schaeffer from the CBS Orchestra.

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<v Speaker 12>Is one of one hundred and twenty six buildings in

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 12>the city that falls under the requirements of a San

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 12>Francisco Bord of Supervisors approved update to the city's fired

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 12>Code in twenty twenty two. It mandates all buildings built

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<v Speaker 12>before the nineteen seventies that are more than about twelve

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 12>stories high must inspace.

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<v Speaker 7>I did get all that right, see, I retain information.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, sprinklers in every living unit that comes to about

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 12>nine thousand residences. People who live in those buildings say

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 12>many of them don't have enough space in the walls

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 12>or have ceilings that are too low to install the

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 12>pipes for these sprinkler systems.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they made this regulation and made these changes

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 2>to the fire code, they didn't actually find out if

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 2>this was feasible in some of the buildings that they

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>were trying to put this onto.

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 4>This is like going to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Great Pyramids in Egypt and going this isn't eighty

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>eight compliant, and.

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<v Speaker 12>They don't have space or enough power for the pumping

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 12>machinery needed to support these systems. What's more, this is

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 12>the latest expensive mandate the city has issued.

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<v Speaker 5>The earthquake, what's it called the falling hazards. Yeah, and

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 5>we spent several million dollars accommodating that. We went through

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 5>the annunciator mandate, which was the replacement of the fire horns,

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 5>again an enormous expense, and now the city is slapping

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 5>another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just unaffordable, right, you know what these hoa

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>people are right. The city's acting like an hoa.

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<v Speaker 12>Now, the deadline forgetting all the permits to start any

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 12>construction on the fire sprinkler mandates has been delayed for

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.440
<v Speaker 12>five years. In the meantime, a Technical Advisory Council made

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.759
<v Speaker 12>up of members of the Board of Supervisors, residents, the

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 12>Fire Department, and builders will convene next month. That committee

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 12>will decide how to implement this mandate. Asha Safais, a

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.720
<v Speaker 12>spokesperson for the San Francisco Building and Construction Trades Council.

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<v Speaker 13>We're going to approach each building on an individual basis

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.280
<v Speaker 13>and we're going to come up with a real path

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 13>for public safety. There will be some buildings based on

0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 13>a hardship, based on the city's infrastructure, based on water

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 13>that might get an exemption.

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 7>Some of the biggest thing and what do we need

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:56.799
<v Speaker 7>the blanket mandate for?

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<v Speaker 1>This is why what they do is so stupid, Because

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>if you have a blanket mandate and then you have

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>carve outs, what you create is you create a perfect

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.439
<v Speaker 1>storm for people to be paid off if you don't

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>want to follow the city rule, because the city rule

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>makes it so unaffordable that you can't stay living there

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.799
<v Speaker 1>or you can't comply even if you wanted to, then

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it becomes cheaper to bribe the inspector, and the inspector goes,

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>oh okay, well yeah, we can go ahead and give

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you an exemption. You don't need to follow this rule here.

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 12>Critics of this mandate have been raised by residents in

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 12>Supervisor Steven Cheryl's district. He's on the technical committee that'll

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 12>be convening next month in San Francisco, said Hukindana.

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 7>And BC they are you News, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of condo owners in Pacific Heights worried about this

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 2>sprinkler mandate that could cost them between tens to hundreds

0:38:56.239 --> 0:39:00.120
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of dollars per unit to comply.

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>In a city that is already one of the most

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>expensive cities in the country to live in. Instead of

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to make it more affordable, the city government is

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>doing everything they can to push these people out.