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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fools rejoins and look at young Tony in

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Speaker 2: his bag. Going back to Frankie Lyman and the teenagers.

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Speaker 1: Why do fools fall in love?

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Speaker 3: Good job, young Tone.

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed by your American graffiti. Seconds a deep bag.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you it is a deep bag. All right,

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Speaker 2: connection mate, All right, good man, we're doing April Fools rejoins.

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Speaker 2: We've done, of course, def Leppard fool and led Zeppelin

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Speaker 2: Fool in the Rain, Beatles fool on the hill, do

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Speaker 2: bees what a fool believes? And now I love a

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Speaker 2: classic from Tony there Frankielyman, but no fooling. The Giants

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Speaker 2: have won two in a row. Yes, I know, cringe,

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Speaker 2: I got you. George Kntos though, he's gonna join us,

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Speaker 2: and he's nobody's fool and he'll join us to talk

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Speaker 2: to us about these giants. To one three you're going

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Speaker 2: for the sweep today. Adrian Houser won ten start against

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Speaker 2: Nick Paveta. I'm sure the Padres will be a little

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Speaker 2: territorial about not getting swept. And we'll see what Tony

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Speaker 2: V's crew has up. We'll see what the lineup is today.

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Speaker 2: And George, it's great talking baseball with you anytime. Happy

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Speaker 2: baseball season, our first hit of the new year with you.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, man, Hey, what's up, George.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 5: It's nice. It's nice to turn the TV on and

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Speaker 5: see real, meaningful baseball again. And anytime the Giants are

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Speaker 5: going for a sweep, it's always a good getaway day.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So let's go back, because George, you wore the Yankee uniform.

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Speaker 2: You know what it's like if we were doing this

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Speaker 2: interview on Monday morning and you were like, Yo, Giants

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Speaker 2: just got flattened by the Yankees. Were you starting to

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Speaker 2: grip a little bit? And you know, give us your

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Speaker 2: take on that situation, like going to San Diego? How

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Speaker 2: bad was it?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean we got to be realistic, right, we

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Speaker 5: were three games into a new season. So when you

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Speaker 5: have one hundred and fifty nine left to go, it's

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Speaker 5: really not the end of the world. But I've always

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Speaker 5: been a guy that when a team comes out of

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Speaker 5: a really successful spring training, when they're close to winning

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Speaker 5: there's always that superstitious in the back of my mind

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Speaker 5: with the same momentum of sprint training. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's just a superstition in me. But you know, the

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Speaker 5: Yankee team is a very good team, and we saw that.

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Speaker 5: I mean obviously, you know, Max Freed and Schlitler, these

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Speaker 5: guys were really really good, and the Giants just weren't

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Speaker 5: wasn't over. You know, there's definitely not panic mode, but

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Speaker 5: you obviously wanted to go into this Padres series with

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Speaker 5: not a sense of urgency, but one of we got

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Speaker 5: which they've been able to do nicely.

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Speaker 4: We were just talking to Mike Kruco earlier about how

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Speaker 4: for all players, regardless if they're a rookie or they've

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Speaker 4: that first game of the season is always the hardest

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Speaker 4: of Tony Vitello making the transition from college to the

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't think there's any extra added pressure.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about guys who have been in the big

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Speaker 5: I mean, ketchup, mustard, relish, soap, whatever it was. I'm

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Speaker 5: I think the only thing that does is really just

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Speaker 2: In George. We already saw a characteristic of his managing

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Speaker 2: a couple of cuts from Tony where he talked about

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Speaker 2: Anderson and logan Web and Pat and how about that?

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Speaker 2: So what do you make ultimately, what does that say

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Speaker 5: You definitely earn the respect of your players when you

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, if you take away that one inning,

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Speaker 4: George, there was a noticeable difference in the mechanics of

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Speaker 5: You know a lot of times, a lot of times

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Speaker 5: The thought process that you've always heard is, you know,

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Speaker 5: So the fashion that you can recognize and rectify, that's

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Speaker 2: George Conso's a voice you hear World Series champ, of course,

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about the Giants getting this thing going here,

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Speaker 5: You want boring ninth innings, right, And when when a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really really fun to watch. And today

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Speaker 2: He's like deer in the headlights and you know, man,

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Speaker 5: You know, Look, what I've noticed in what I appreciate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, his passion and his personality sounds a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, to be honest, I was kind of

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Speaker 5: So I totally understand where he comes from in that

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Speaker 2: Last one is as a former pitcher, I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: Whether you want to.

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Speaker 5: I think that these I think that these reactions that

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Speaker 5: But you're gonna see these until people get the get

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Speaker 5: That's a good question. I think I think overall it's

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Speaker 2: Man, it's so fascinating and mint some of the we are,

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Speaker 1: A bad way.

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Speaker 2: we like our rumpires. You know, I went to UCLA

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Speaker 2: But it's definitely an adjustment period. Man, there's a huge

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Speaker 4: H Man.

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Speaker 2: All right, George, always fun catching up. Thanks for hopping on.

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Speaker 4: We'll look forward to the next Yeah, thanks George.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good morning, guys, thanks for having me there.

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Speaker 2: He is, George contest, good stuff, cooler at content stacked

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Speaker 2: next on the Sports Leaders