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Speaker 1: Welcome to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. I'm Danelle Dadigan. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all for joining us as we celebrate the contributions of

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Speaker 1: Boulevard's Walk of Fame. Well Tonight's guests are an important

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Speaker 1: part of one of our newest special exhibitions. This joint

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Speaker 1: is Jumpin', a celebration of Black entertainers from film, TV

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Speaker 1: and song. It's on display at the Hollywood Museum in

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Speaker 1: the historic Max Factor Building and among the many well

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Speaker 1: Marla Gibbs, Michael Jackson, Ted Langevil, La Day, Davis, Idrise, Elba,

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Speaker 1: and joining us momentarily will be Heywood Nelson and Ernest Thomas,

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Speaker 1: and we will be seeing the costumes from Ernest Thomas

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Speaker 1: and Heywood Nelson from their show What's Happening. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it takes me back. This amazing exhibit showcases more than

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Speaker 1: fifty costumes and wardrobe warn during public appearances in their

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Speaker 1: films and TV shows, live performances, and at award shows.

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Speaker 1: You know, tonight we're talking with several friends of the

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Speaker 1: They are all part of this entertaining and educational exhibition.

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Speaker 1: This joint is jumping, a celebration of black entertainers in film,

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Speaker 1: share their personal stories, some never before heard about how

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Speaker 1: joys and hardships and the detours they took along the way,

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Speaker 1: their accomplishments, and some words of wisdom passed down from

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Speaker 1: generation to generation for many black entertainers represented in this

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Speaker 1: year's exhibition and on our show today. We're thrilled to

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Speaker 1: have with us here on Hollywoods Hidden Treasures several well

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Speaker 1: Winner of nineteen Emmys, the Governor's Award from the National

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Speaker 1: for Impact on Media. A wondering who this is, well,

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you it is Christine Devine. You know,

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Speaker 1: a Los Angeles Press Club Award and so many prestigious

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Speaker 1: She's best known for her nineteen seventy single Band of Gold,

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Speaker 1: her career into acting, appearing in films, television shows on

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Speaker 1: Broadway productions, and in their early nineteen eighties, Frida even

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Speaker 1: twenty three, This Woman's Songwriter Hall of Fame awarded Freda

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Speaker 1: Payne a Lifetime Achievement and Legacy Award. Now, this gentleman's

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Speaker 1: for Phil Morris, acting is definitely in his blood. Phil

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Speaker 1: The reboot incredible, But we've all loved Phil when he

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Speaker 1: joining us also this evening is Tyrone Dubois. He is

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Speaker 1: B historian. Dubois celebrates more than ten years of being

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Speaker 1: radio and television and joining us now my buddies, friends

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Speaker 1: of the Hollywood Museum. Ernest Lee Thomas, best known for

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Speaker 1: known for his role as Dwayne Nelson. You were so cute.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you both of you. You know, you

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Speaker 1: have starred in the original seventies ABC TV sitcom What's

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Speaker 1: both Haywood and Ernest, between them have appeared in film

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Speaker 1: performed on stage, on Broadway, in commercials and more. And

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Speaker 1: this is the fiftieth anniversary of What's Happening, Hey, Ernest, Hey, Heywood.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Hollywood Hidden Treasures. Oh my goodness, where you

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Speaker 1: guys sound just the same? I miss like I can

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Speaker 1: almost see you. What can I say? We had such

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Speaker 1: seventies TV hit comedy what's happening? And then the show

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Speaker 3: Yeah, espe Actually when you struggle and you know, that's

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Speaker 1: So what was it like for you when you were

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a lot of work. You work really

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Speaker 5: to the best of my recollection, it wasn't even an objective.

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Speaker 5: it was like skydiving, but there's no ground, no whoa whoa.

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Speaker 5: That makes your journey that much even more relevant because

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Speaker 5: be reported in that way, you realize, Wow, there is

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Speaker 1: and we all will in the next segment, but I

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Speaker 1: our Hollywood Museum's publicist, Roger Neil Hey Roger, good Evening,

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Speaker 1: Danelle whoa good evening, Roger, So tell us before we

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Speaker 1: hear more from our evening's guests, tell everyone how to

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Speaker 1: visit and learn more about the Hollywood Museum.

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Speaker 6: We can come visit us in person at sixteen sixteen

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Speaker 6: Hollywood Museum dot com, or on social media at Hollywood Museum.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we look forward to helping you, our listeners,

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Speaker 1: for a enjoyable day celebrating your favorite films and TV

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Speaker 1: shows at the Hollywood Official Museum. The Hollywood Museum, we

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Speaker 1: showcase more than ten thousand real showbiz treasures, spotlighting more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred years of Hollywood's entertainment history, from its

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Speaker 1: humble beginnings till today. Well, you know, I've just got

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Speaker 6: It's going to be an awesome evening. We've got a

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Speaker 7: Know we do.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to be hearing more from Ernest Thomas

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Speaker 1: you're listening to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. I'm Denel Daddigan. And

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Speaker 1: when we returned, like I just said, we're going to

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Speaker 1: continue our conversation with Ernest Thomas, Roge and Heywood Nelson

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Speaker 1: it's been fifty years since they first were on TV?

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable. Yeah, I remember watching it as a teenager.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I can still see Roge and Dwayne. You remember

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Speaker 1: they played the typical teenagers dealing with school life, love,

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Speaker 1: We've got lots to talk about. Welcome back, you're listening

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Speaker 1: once again is Ernest Lee, Thomas Roger and Heywood Nelson Dwayne,

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Speaker 1: What's Happening Now. I can't believe the show is celebrating

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Speaker 4: Well, hi, guys, Hey, what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Right? That's very good. That's very good. Hey, listen, let

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Speaker 1: me ask you, guys, teach you have to audition for

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Speaker 3: Ernest, oh, absolutely, and with over two hundred actors well

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Speaker 3: meaning for that role because they wanted an unknown they

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Speaker 1: Was so how many times did you have to audition?

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Speaker 3: Let me on Friday. So Saturday he calls me and says, hey,

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Speaker 3: Glenn Turman, who did the original role, because it's based

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Speaker 5: I think it's an for us are and something I loved. Really,

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Speaker 3: Thank you Roger and Tyrone Duvar for suggesting us as well.

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Speaker 1: our final moments together. Please tell our listeners how they

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Speaker 3: So, Ernest, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, Ernest Lee Thomas, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Oh it's been a great day, great day. Thank you

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Speaker 1: she mentioned Las Vegas, her mom, and seventeen years old.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a story.

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Speaker 4: Okay, since this is.

437
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Speaker 7: In a celebration of Breakfastory month, right, yes, my history

438
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Speaker 7: is sort of like they said, say my, how have

439
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 7: things changed. It's like we've come a long way, you know,

440
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Speaker 7: like as far as the racial you know, getting along

441
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 7: with one another is concerned, racial disparity, it still exists

442
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Speaker 7: when I was seventeen years old, which was wow. It

443
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 7: was like sweet, I've got yeah right right, oh wow,

444
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Speaker 7: I'm eighty three, y'all, Oh my god, you know what

445
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 7: I So, it's sort of like this was like late fifties,

446
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 7: early sixties in Vegas and we're driving down the strip

447
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 7: in our car. It was me, my mom and the

448
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 7: guy who was my mentor and my pianist. His name

449
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 7: was Mac Ferguson. And oh my god, when I think

450
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 7: about Mac, I have to you know, I have to

451
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 7: say he was the one that really taught me a

452
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Speaker 7: lot about show business and the fundamentals.

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Speaker 4: And as a young female, you know, well I guess

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 7: I guess I was kind of attractive back then, you know,

456
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Speaker 7: like you know what you are, you are, what to

457
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 7: watch out for, what schemes you know, men will you

458
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Speaker 7: know play on you?

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Speaker 1: He told you to watch out.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

461
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Speaker 7: He was just a good guy and he taught me.

462
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Speaker 4: I'll put it this way.

463
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Speaker 7: He taught me a lot, and so I appreciate that.

464
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Speaker 7: And this was in Vegas. We were driving down the strip.

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Speaker 7: I was seventeen. My mother was with me, and Mac

466
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Speaker 7: was in the car with us, and we kept going

467
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Speaker 7: from motel, you know, because I wanted to get a

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Speaker 7: couple of row one for my mother and I in

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Speaker 7: a room for Matt. And we kept driving down and

470
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Speaker 7: stopping at different motels on the strip, and outside it

471
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 7: would say vacancy, you know, like blame blame Blaine, vacancy.

472
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Speaker 7: Mac would go in and come back out, and like,

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Speaker 7: after three times, I said to myself, doesn't it seem

474
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Speaker 7: like they maybe they just don't want us here, you know,

475
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Speaker 7: staying in their motel. And so we finally saw a

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Speaker 7: guy walking down the street. He was the African American guy,

477
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Speaker 7: and it looked like he might have been a janitor

478
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Speaker 7: or something the way he was addressed, and we stopped

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00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 7: him and my mother said, listen, I'm with my daughter.

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Speaker 7: And we drove all the way from Detroit. It took

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Speaker 7: us two days, by the way, I forgot to mention it.

482
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Speaker 7: It was in the evening, like nine o'clock and we

483
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Speaker 7: were tired, so we were ready to like find a

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Speaker 7: motel and so we could like unpack our stuff and

485
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Speaker 7: go to bed. So anyway, we saw this guy and

486
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Speaker 7: we explained to him the situation and see my mother.

487
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 7: We were driving to Vegas for me to join the

488
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Speaker 7: Duke Ellington, who I had already auditioned for him, and

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Speaker 7: he already said, if you come to Vegas, you can

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Speaker 7: come up and we can take it from there and

491
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 7: you're with us, you know that kind of thing. So anyway,

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Speaker 7: what happened was the guy said, and this is a

493
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Speaker 7: black man, he said, ma'am, don't you all know they

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00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 7: don't allow us folks, meaning people of color, to stay

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Speaker 7: on the Strip. Wow, can you believe that? I mean,

496
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 7: when we think about it now, it's like it was

497
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Speaker 7: pure Jim Crow. And we thought that Vegas, the state

498
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Speaker 7: of Nevada, or at least Vegas like Sin City, you know,

499
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Speaker 7: wasn't like that. So my mother said, well, where can

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Speaker 7: we go? We need to find a place. He said,

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Speaker 7: you all will have to go to the West Side.

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00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 7: He said, that's where all of the African American people

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Speaker 7: are staying. My mother said, well, my daughter is here

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Speaker 7: to join this Duke Ellington orchestra and they're performing at

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Speaker 7: the Riviera Hotel on the Strip in the lounge. And

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Speaker 7: the guy said, well, ma'am, I guarantee you the band

507
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Speaker 7: and Duke Ellington aren't staying at the Riviera And she said, well,

508
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 7: where would they be. He said, they're probably staying over

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Speaker 7: on the West side at the.

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Speaker 4: West Most Hotel.

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Speaker 7: There was a motel that was owned by a dentist

512
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Speaker 7: named doctor West and that's where all the black people

513
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 7: who came to Vegas would go to stay. I also

514
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 7: remember there was a casino right next to.

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Speaker 4: It of.

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Speaker 1: Vegas.

517
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Mulin Rouge. I'll never forget.

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00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 7: It was right next door to this motel. And I

519
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 7: remember also at that hotel Harold and fair Nicholas. Wow,

520
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 7: they were staying at the same motel. So I saw

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Speaker 7: them and I said.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess we have no choice.

523
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Speaker 7: We gotta stay at least we got rooms here. So

524
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Speaker 7: we we stayed there, and I wound up we wound

525
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Speaker 7: up staying like about four months, but we only stayed

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Speaker 7: at the motel for like maybe a couple of weeks,

527
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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks, and then we found that we

528
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 7: could rent a house, you know, for less than what

529
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Speaker 7: the motel was gonna was gonna charge. So we wound

530
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Speaker 7: up running a house, like a two bedroom house. And

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Speaker 7: of course we already had our car because we drove,

532
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Speaker 7: you know, from Detroit to there.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, So that's my story.

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Speaker 1: Well I love your story. Well I got to tell you,

535
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, and there is a fabulous movie it was

536
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: called Green Book that came out several years ago, quite

537
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: extraordinary that actually discusses this exact situation. It was a

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00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: vacuum development.

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00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: And I saw that movie. I saw that movie.

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00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 7: It was a good movie. And what's the guy that

542
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 7: starred in it who played the his part was he

543
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 7: was a gay man. But at the same time he

544
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 7: was what's his name, He's an Oscar winning actor.

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Speaker 1: So that's my story, Marshalla Ali yes.

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00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 7: Marcilla yeah, Ali, Yeah, you got it, You got it,

547
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 7: Marsilla Ali. Wow.

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00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: Well let me ask the question because you know, we're

549
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: chatting and everyone is listening, and I want everyone to know.

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00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: You have got a fabulous display at the museum. So

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00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: with the museum's annual entertainment exhibition saluting Black History Month,

552
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: tell our listeners what does it mean to you to

553
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: have your live performance dress it's in a fabulous shade

554
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: of amethyst purple on display as part of the museums

555
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: This joint is jump in a celebration of black entertainers

556
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: from film, TV and song. What does it mean to

557
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you to see your performance dress on display? And I

558
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: think it's on a cover of one of your albums too.

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: It is.

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00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 7: That purple amethyst gown and it's, by the way, the

561
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Speaker 7: designer is Halston.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, oh for all of our listeners real Halston. Wow.

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00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, he doesn't exist anymore, but his name does and

564
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 7: his brand.

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Speaker 1: Oh and there's perfume. I bet that Perfumes still out

566
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Speaker 1: there to Halston.

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00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 7: Oh, it's on the cover of Come See About Me. Yes,

568
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 7: I think that came out on Capitol Records, and I

569
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 7: wore that gown as the cover.

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Speaker 1: Well, Frida, can you share with us and our listeners,

571
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Speaker 1: how important is Black History Month to you? I mean

572
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Speaker 1: tell us because I'm thinking, how can young people benefit

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Speaker 1: from Black History Month?

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Speaker 7: Well, some of these young people they don't really, to

575
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 7: tell you, the truth is kind of sad because a

576
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 7: lot of young people they don't really appreciate the real,

577
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 7: deep significance of Black history because right now.

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00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: They've never experienced discrimination.

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00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've never experienced hatred other than just you know,

580
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 7: somebody bullies you or whatever. You know, but nowadays, you know,

581
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 7: you don't hear much about that nowadays, of course you

582
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 7: do now and then, like if some kids want to

583
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 7: be nasty or bully and you're in a like a

584
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 7: really white neighborhood and they want to bully you because

585
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 7: they're thinking, well, what is this block doing in our block?

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00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 7: You know that kind of thing, and that still exists.

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00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 7: You know, It's funny thing I live in where I

588
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 7: live in Encino, I don't think there's a black family

589
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 7: on the whole block.

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Speaker 1: You know Michael Jackson and his family lived in Encino

591
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: for decades.

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00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 7: Well around the block. I live around the block from there,

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 7: from the Jackson compound.

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00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then you knew, no. So let me ask

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00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: this one question, this one last question to you. I mean,

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00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: you are so positive and upbeat as an entertainer. What

597
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: is the best advice someone gave you, maybe early on

598
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: or in your mid career, that you carry with you

599
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: to this day? And why does it mean so much

600
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: to you? Share it with our listeners because it may

601
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: help all of us too.

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00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 7: Oh wow, that's you know, it sounds like an easy question.

603
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 8: But it's not provoking.

604
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it is not provoking, you know, instead of

605
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 7: like it's not just one person, it's just maybe a

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Speaker 7: couple of people. My mother's one because she always felt like,

607
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 7: you know, she was old fashioned.

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Speaker 8: She came from the old school.

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Speaker 7: Always be a lady, never lower.

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: Your standards or anything like that.

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Speaker 7: And it's so funny thing I remember once I had

612
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: an aunt. She's long gone now, you know, but she

613
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 7: was of course older. She was an older aunt on

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Speaker 7: my mother's side, and she was one of those no nonsense,

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00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 7: I'm not taking any any mess, you know what, I

616
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 7: mean she was tough, and she said, you know, never

617
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 7: ever let anybody talk you into doing something that you

618
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 7: don't feel is right in your gut.

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Speaker 4: I like it, like sometimes you know it's wrong.

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00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 7: But you do it anyway because you feel like if

621
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Speaker 7: I don't, I'm going to lose the friendship.

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Speaker 8: Of this person.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I hear you loud and Clara, you know free. I

625
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: cannot believe how quickly our time has passed together. It's

626
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Speaker 1: just been a real pleasure having you once again here

627
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: on Hollywoods Hidden Treasures in her final moments together. Can

628
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Speaker 1: you tell our listeners how they can follow you on

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Speaker 1: Facebook or Instagram?

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00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 7: You can follow me on I amfreeapaying dot net and

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00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 7: also free topain dot com.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, Freda Payin. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us today. We've all loved your stories. Thanks for sharing.

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Speaker 7: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we have to take a quick break. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to Hollywood's Hidden Treasures. I'm Denel Daddigan, and when

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Speaker 1: we return, we'll be speaking with Tyrone du Bois. He

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Speaker 1: is America's premier R and B historian. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Hollywood's Hidden Treasures. We've got lots to talk about. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. I'm Denel Daddigan and

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Speaker 1: joining us now is Tyrone de Bois, the award winning

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Speaker 1: radio show host, actor, voice artist, television contributor who continues

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Speaker 1: to rain as America's premier R and B historian and

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Speaker 1: author of the Four Seasons of R and B top

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Speaker 1: ten picks of the greatest singers and groups of nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixties through nineteen nineties. You know, Tyrone's book is an

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Speaker 1: Amazon best selling book, and it has reached the top

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Speaker 1: ten on Amazon not once, but twice, and it continues

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Well, congratulations, hey, Tyrone, Welcome to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures.

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Speaker 2: Donelle readings and alliutations to you. Just let me make

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Speaker 2: it clear to you as well as all those people

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Speaker 2: out there, if I have a choice to make between

654
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Speaker 2: speaking to you or speaking to Beyonce, Beyonce will have

655
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: to wait. We'll always come fard.

656
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Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, Tyrone. I mean, we had a

657
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: great time the other evening, I have to say, at

658
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Speaker 1: the museum, So I'm just thrilled you said that and

659
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Speaker 1: you have made Well, it's not just my day. I

660
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 1: don't think it's my week. I think it's my month

661
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: or year. Wow. What a statement. Thanks Wow.

662
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you real quick to be here.

663
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Speaker 2: We get started. I'd say to you, I cannot thank

664
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Speaker 2: you enough for having all of us there at the

665
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Museum. What you do, not only for all people

666
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: in the energyman aspect, so particularly for Black History Month,

667
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: was something that was rare and so well done. I

668
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: just can't thank you enough. I was honored to be there,

669
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Speaker 2: as well as many of the other stars that were there.

670
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you Tyrone for saying that. I got to

671
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: tell you, the exhibit is so popular. I mean with

672
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Speaker 1: so many different folks involved. I mean whether it's Michael

673
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Speaker 1: Jackson or Whitney Houston, or Diana Ross or Sammy Davis Junior,

674
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Speaker 1: your point of view, the Pointer Sisters, Natalie Cole, Earth,

675
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: the kit we go down the list, you know, Denzel Washington,

676
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: everyone in Queen Latifah. This exhibit has been held over

677
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: and it will be held over till summertime. I believe

678
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: it's really quite something. It was a fun exhibit and

679
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: a fabulous evening. So let me just ask you the question.

680
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: We had these performance costumes on display, as we were saying,

681
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Speaker 1: worn by Michael Jackson, the Pointer Sisters, Whitney Houston, Sammy

682
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: Davis Junior, Diana Ross, Natalie Cole, and Eartha kit You know,

683
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Speaker 1: as America's premier R and B historian, how would you

684
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Speaker 1: describe the styles and sounds of these amazing performers? Are

685
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: there any similarities? Was there a certain style or sound

686
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: that these megastars especially liked?

687
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: What was unique about all of these people in which

688
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: you named, particularly with their costumes and the things in

689
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: which they dressed. What they did was they didn't make

690
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: their dressing of themselves relevant. They reinvented the addressing of

691
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: what they saw in years past. That's what made it

692
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: unique to me. It was a little bit of dowgia

693
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: in everyone's costumes that you saw, no matter whether it

694
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Speaker 2: was Fleet of Pane and Pointer Sisters or Diana Ross

695
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, all of these costumes are all the

696
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 2: things in which I saw were in large part a

697
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: bit of nostalgia from years past and created a trend

698
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Speaker 2: for the present.

699
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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you saying that we know we try

700
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Speaker 1: our hardest and we love what we do at the museum.

701
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: It's so much fun curating these exhibits, you know, and

702
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: our goal is not only to entertain our visitors, but

703
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: for them to walk away with having some knowledge.

704
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: They now walked away with knowledge, they walked away with appreciation.

705
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: Don Elle. It is rare that we see some collective

706
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: memory of such nostalgic shows that were a very important

707
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: part of all of our lives, particularly the one with

708
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: Ernest and Heywood and Fred Barry from Oh Yes, Yes,

709
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: that was major. And these people aren't forgotten. A lot

710
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: of times people would think that these people of the

711
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: past are forgotten or have moved on. They really haven't.

712
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Speaker 2: And thanks to you, you once again brought back the

713
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: importance of what it takes to celebrate these people and

714
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: it means a lot, and it's been a lots of

715
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Speaker 2: them as well.

716
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that so much. And as

717
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: I said, we just love what we do, so nothing's

718
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: too much for us to do and accomplish. So thank you,

719
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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you on all the kids from the

720
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Museum, thank you too. You know, Tyrone, I want

721
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Speaker 1: to ask you a question about your book, The Four

722
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Seasons of r and B. You know, top ten picks

723
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Speaker 1: the greatest singers and groups from nineteen sixty to nineteen ninety.

724
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Speaker 1: It's like an encyclopedia of R and B. I mean,

725
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: how long did it take you to create this? My goodness,

726
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: it's so comprehensive.

727
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. One of the things that helped

728
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: me a great deal was I was right when COVID began,

729
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: and I remember talking to a publicist and was asking

730
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: her for advice, and she said, to Ern, you're legitimized

731
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: as an R and B historian on television and around

732
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: the country. She said, outiver, but a book would solidify you,

733
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: and you know, people would have something to go to.

734
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, during COVID, of course, we were

735
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: all trying to find our way, and I thought that,

736
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, I was preparing myself for when COVID was

737
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: over by writing the book. And that's how it began

738
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Speaker 2: for me. And every day I just kept saying, I'm

739
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: going to do a page a day, and then I

740
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: just needed to figure out how, you know, to be different.

741
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: That was the number one thing. And I could hear

742
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: my mentor of mister K. G. Kasem in my my saying,

743
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: you know, to do it a certain way, and it

744
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: kind of helped me a great deal. Being in the

745
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame just meant so much to me in

746
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: that regard, and knowing that he would have loved to

747
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Speaker 2: have been there.

748
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Speaker 1: I got to share with you Casey Cassem's wife, Jeanie Casem,

749
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 1: if she were in the studio today, she'd be saying

750
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: hello to you. Let me just tell you, she really

751
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: enjoys you. So this is just wonderful. I mean, it's

752
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: so exciting because again, this is all about history going backwards,

753
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: going forwards, and you know, these great groups, you know,

754
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: they just didn't come on the scene. They all were

755
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: inspired with something that happened before them. And that's what

756
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: I really liked about your book because all of a

757
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: sudden I could start seeing similarities between the different groups

758
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: that I never thought about.

759
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, ironically, you know, someone had to develop they had

760
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: to develop a certain sound, and they had to figure

761
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: out a reason it made them different as well. And

762
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: remember in the sixties and seventies, it was based upon

763
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: radio airplay, not based on While sales was played with

764
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: somewhat of a role in it, it was really based

765
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: upon you know, radio airplay for a lot of these places,

766
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: and it was very important for people to find themselves.

767
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Whether it was flying the family Stone, whether it was

768
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: James Brown in seventies, whether it was Diana Ross. There's

769
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: so much trivia and so many of these memories that

770
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: are a vital part of not just African American history,

771
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Speaker 2: but American music history.

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Well, you know you are America's leading

773
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: R and B history And let's be honest, can you

774
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: share with us what obstacles did black entertainers face over

775
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: the years and how has it changed? Is it better now?

776
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: The obstacles in which they faced was if you begin

777
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: in the nineteen forties, it was called raceut and a

778
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: lot of times there were many stations that simply wouldn't

779
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: play you know, African American music. As time went on,

780
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: and just to give you a perfect example, in the

781
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties, R and B music began to, you know,

782
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: take a bit of form. And on the R and

783
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: B charts of the nineteen the number one R and

784
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: B act was Bad Domino by a mile, well believe

785
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: it or number second biggest act on the R and

786
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Speaker 2: B charts was none other than Elvis Presley, who reached

787
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: number one several times on the R and B charts

788
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: as well. So the beginning of the invention of R

789
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: and B music was the importance of crossing over to

790
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: the pop charts. That was the most important thing, which

791
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: meant that both white and blacks were buying your music

792
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: and it didn't become race music anymore. This became intertwined

793
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: and some of the biggest artists in R and B history,

794
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: believe it or not, competed with the Beatles. For example,

795
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: three times the Beatles reached number one, and three times

796
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: Diana Ross and the Supremes knocked them off.

797
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Of course they did. We love Diana Ross and the Supremes. Wow, indeed, wow.

798
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: I think makes it was so important. You know, R

799
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: and B music had to find its footing into mainstream

800
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: and the only way that was going to happen is

801
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: if it crossed over to the pop charts.

802
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know, in February, we've been celebrating Black History

803
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: Month and at the Hollywood Museum with our exhibit this

804
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: joint is Jumping. We're going to keep it over due

805
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: to popular demand until the end of May. You know,

806
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: we've been celebrating Black History Month with this exhibit. What

807
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: does this mean to you?

808
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Donnelle, and I really named this from

809
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: the bottom of my heart. I know we've been friends

810
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: for years, but I had a sense of pride like

811
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: so many other people there. But it wasn't just a

812
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: race of people, It was a world of people who

813
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: were all there to celebrate a very important part of

814
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 2: not just Black history, but American history. And being able

815
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: to see all of us come together in one place

816
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: and of course recognize the importance of this music and

817
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: the genre of not just music, but the films, you know,

818
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: the movies, the television shows, all of these these were

819
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: very important. And thanks to you with this absolute awesome

820
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: thing in which you did. I mean, you reminded full

821
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: of us not only about a part of our past,

822
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: but what could very well come again hopefully in our future.

823
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, in our final moments together. Let me just

824
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Tell me briefly, what do you

825
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: consider your greatest moment.

826
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: I would say my greatest moment was being inducted into

827
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: the California Music Hall of Fame. Yes, it didn't validate me,

828
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: it vindicated me so all of the hard work in

829
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: which done for so long, and that meant more to

830
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: me than anything, and I cannot thank so many people

831
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: enough of you know, using me and choosing me as

832
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: one of those people who study and preserve R and

833
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: B history. I did exactly what mister Kasum told me.

834
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: I never called him kapy, always domistic, casey, but it

835
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: was so important for me to preserve that. He was

836
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: the one who actually told me to switch over to

837
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: R and B music. I knew the pop charts because

838
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: as a child I used to listen to him as

839
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: a teenager, and so he told me to make the switch,

840
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: and I did.

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Speaker 7: I love it.

842
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: I love it. Well, what belongs to me belongs to

843
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: him as well.

844
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Well, Tyrone, it's been a pleasure having

845
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: you once again here on Hollywood Hidden Treasures in our

846
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: final moments together. Please tell our listeners how they can

847
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: follow you.

848
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, they can follow me on all social media

849
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: platforms at Tyrone du bosc or they can go to

850
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: my website at R andbistorian dot com.

851
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Tyrone, it's been a pleasure having today

852
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: here on Hollywood Hidden Treasures. I'm so thankful that you

853
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: were able to join us and we all loved your stories.

854
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing.

855
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: Thank you very much and more importantly, your class act.

856
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: You've always been great to everyone. Thank you for always

857
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: being well.

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00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tyrone, and so are you. My goodness, oh my, well,

859
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: we have to take a quick break when we return.

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Speaker 1: Joining us the award winning television news anchor Christine Divine

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Speaker 1: of the five and ten pm weeknight News on Fox

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Speaker 1: eleven in Los Angeles. She's won nineteen Emmys. I won't

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Museum. The award winning television news anchor Christine Divine

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Speaker 1: of the five and ten pm weeknight News on Fox

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Speaker 1: eleven in Los Angeles. You know she is the winner

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Speaker 1: of nineteen Emmys, the Governor's Award from the National Academy

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Speaker 1: of Television, Arts and Science, This is Lifetime Achievement Award

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Speaker 1: from Radio and Television News Association, and the President's Award

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Speaker 1: for Impact on Media from the Los Angeles Press Club,

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Speaker 1: and she's won so many more prestigious awards. I can't

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Speaker 1: even list them all here in Hollywood and on the

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Speaker 1: national scene. You know, Christine is active in the Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles community and in Hollywood. Christine has been honored before

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles City Council, LA County Board of Supervisors,

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Police Department, and the LA County Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 1: Believe me, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: There is so much more to Christine, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to hear all about it. Well, Hi, Christine Donell.

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Speaker 4: That just means I've been around for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Now, We've been to me, now, we've been through this before.

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Speaker 1: You You are outstanding. I mean, I got to say

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Speaker 1: you have an astonishing record breaking number of Emmys, nineteen

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Speaker 1: of them for your news coverage, and one of your

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Speaker 1: many Emmys is currently on display here at the Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Museum in our new exhibition this joined us jump in

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Speaker 1: a celebration of black entertainers from film, TV and song.

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Speaker 1: What does it mean for you to have one of

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Speaker 1: your Emmy gowns and one of your Emmys on display

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Speaker 1: in the Hollywood Museum in this special entertainment exhibition dedicated

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Speaker 1: to Black History Month.

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Speaker 4: Yes, one correction, it's sixteen Emmys, but I'll take the nineteen. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 4: you're aim and high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm giving you nineteen. It's okay.

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Speaker 7: I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Actually, when I saw the display, I

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Speaker 4: was shocked that you have my gown and Emmys so

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Speaker 4: front and center, but of course fabulous display with icons

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Speaker 4: like Denzel Washington and Diana Ross. I mean, just the

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Speaker 4: people that you have garments from is incredible. Queen Latifa

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Speaker 4: and Lollo Me Hello, Los Angeles News anchor me.

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Speaker 1: Don't say that. Don't say that, because during these next

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Speaker 1: few segments, our listeners are going to learn a lot

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Speaker 1: about you, and I think that they are going to

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Speaker 1: be pleasantly pleased and a lot of it. I think

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Speaker 1: they kind of knew, but they didn't connect the dots,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean I always think about that. What

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Speaker 1: goes through your head when you think about your years

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Speaker 1: being so much more than an award winning newscaster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, your story is amazing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think we're all complex stories and different chapters

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Speaker 4: in our lifetime. So it depends which chapter you're looking

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Speaker 4: at Some have been more in the limelight than others,

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Speaker 4: some have been in service areas. And you know, my

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Speaker 4: new chapter is finding my biological father just two years ago.

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Speaker 4: So I think we're all very complex and news we

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Speaker 4: have the theory that everybody is a story.

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Speaker 8: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Can you repeat that again for our listeners?

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Speaker 4: You know, our theory is that everybody's got a story

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Speaker 4: to tell. I had somebody say to me once, Christine,

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Speaker 4: you could sit and talk to a squirrel for two

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Speaker 4: hours because everybody's lives are so interesting, you know, like

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Speaker 4: how they got to where they are, what were the obstacles,

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Speaker 4: what were the tough times, the highs and the lows.

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Speaker 4: And that's basically what we do in Los Angeles News.

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Speaker 4: We find people with a story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you do. And thirty years, maybe more than thirty years,

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Speaker 1: you've hosted Wednesday's Child on Fox eleven News. Yes, for

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Speaker 1: your work, you received the Anna Quinlan Award for Philanthropy

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Speaker 1: Journalism from the Society of Professional Journalists, and you have

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Speaker 1: been honored by the Child Welfare League of America. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain to our listeners exactly what Wednesday's Child is

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Speaker 1: and tell us why you chose the subject and it

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Speaker 1: is just something that people look forward to week in

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Speaker 1: and week out.

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Speaker 4: Well, Wednesday's Child is for what We also got the

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Speaker 4: Governor's Award, which is the highest of the Emmys you

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Speaker 4: can get, and that was just the shining moment for us.

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Speaker 4: Because Wednesday's Child is a segment, as it's done in

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Speaker 4: many other cities. It showcases children in foster care who

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Speaker 4: need to be adopted. That's a small percentage because the

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Speaker 4: goal is to reunite with your birth family, but there

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Speaker 4: are some kids where the court has ruled adoption is

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Speaker 4: a better route from foster care to adoption. And we've

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Speaker 4: been doing it not so much weekly anymore because COVID

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Speaker 4: was a real setback for us and time had changed

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Speaker 4: a little bit, but we still focus on children and

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Speaker 4: foster care. In fact, some of the kids that I'm

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Speaker 4: still in touch with. One just had a baby and

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Speaker 4: I went to you touch of your kids.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of incredible, Yah, tell us more about this.

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Speaker 4: Well, we used to have a reunion at Magic Mountain

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Speaker 4: or not very Farm, and that really kept us engaged

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Speaker 4: with the families. We'd see them from year on nearon,

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Speaker 4: and so that's kind of an entourage where I still

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Speaker 4: hear from them. One kid is one of my dog roomers.

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Speaker 4: This other young man has stayed in touch, and it

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Speaker 4: was just rewarding to see him and all the siblings

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Speaker 4: that had been on Wednesday's Child there for his baby shower.

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Speaker 4: It was just really a cool chapter.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my gosh. Well, you know, and as

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Speaker 1: I was reading about this, I had read that more

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Speaker 1: than four hundred and fifty five children have found adoptive

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Speaker 1: families through your segment.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, what I really love about Wednesday's Child is

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Speaker 4: that it focuses on harder to place cases, such as

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Speaker 4: large sibling groups. This young man had himself and three sisters.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's a talk order to ask for a

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Speaker 4: family to adopt that many children, or special needs for example,

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Speaker 4: or older kids that might be even eighteen years old.

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Speaker 4: And so what's really cool with social media is the

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Speaker 4: kids can find me now. Otherwise before there's always legal

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Speaker 4: issues about keeping in touch with children who are wards

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Speaker 4: of the state. True, and so I would pretty much

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Speaker 4: lose touch with most of them. And now some are

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Speaker 4: reaching out on Instagram saying, hey, do you have my

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Speaker 4: segment from twenty five years ago? And that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it certainly is. Oh my gosh, Well, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to just kind of flip to another subject. What's the

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Speaker 1: best advice that someone gave you that you carry with

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Speaker 1: you to this day And why does that advice mean

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Speaker 1: so much to you? Do you follow it?

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Speaker 4: I've read a Dale Carnegie book when I was in.

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Speaker 1: High school and how to Win Friends and Influence people.

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Speaker 4: I love that book because it really teaches you how

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Speaker 4: to care about I think, other people and engage into

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Speaker 4: what matters with them, through them, for them, by them,

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Speaker 4: and not so much about self. But I also live

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Speaker 4: by the motto to whom much is given, much is expected.

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Speaker 4: My mother and stepfather, Yeah, they both lived in third

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Speaker 4: world countries, and I feel just being in the United

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Speaker 4: States much is given to all of us, and so

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Speaker 4: I feel like we have an obligation to be of

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Speaker 4: service in some way to someone somewhere.

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Speaker 1: So who inspired you to want to do something extraordinary

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Speaker 1: in the entertainment business? I mean, did you always want

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Speaker 1: to be a newscastros?

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Speaker 4: My parents, mom and stepfather who adopted me, by the way,

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Speaker 4: they were both educators and they've both had been in

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Speaker 4: a peace corps. So that's where the service mind comes

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Speaker 4: from My father was in Tanzania and Africa, and my

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Speaker 4: mother was in Rio de Jano, Brazil, America. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: so their stories of giving of their lives to be

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Speaker 4: helped others really always stuck with me. And then being educated.

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Speaker 4: I feel like in news, you're you're always telling a story.

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Speaker 4: Every single day is like homework and doing a report.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, well, as an entertainment professional, you've seen

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Speaker 1: so much just sort of touching on it little bits

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Speaker 1: and pieces. You've had so many experiences.

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Speaker 4: I did do a book on foster care and it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like the Wednesday's Child storyline, kind of more

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Speaker 4: than just complete my thoughts as to what we were doing.

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Speaker 4: And that's called finding it for other family.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow when you think about it, because these children

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Speaker 1: need to have such guidance to grow up to have

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Speaker 1: full lives.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what we've done is we've given voice to kids

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Speaker 4: who might have been overseen or overlooked. And our social worker,

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Speaker 4: doctor Will Wong, who heads at the program, has a

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Speaker 4: theory that every child has a dream and a career

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Speaker 4: goal and hope and light, and we wanted to capture

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Speaker 4: that and tell them that their voice mattered, that we're

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Speaker 4: there at their story's okay that that's their story to

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Speaker 4: tell and allow them to advocate for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well, let me just ask you in

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Speaker 1: the final moments of this segment, what was your first

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Speaker 1: big break and how long did it take for you

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Speaker 1: to become an overnight success?

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Speaker 4: They always say it's not overnight, right. I went to

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Speaker 4: Arizona State University studying broadcast journalism in high school. Attended

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Speaker 4: Arizona State University, which gave me the tool to do

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Speaker 4: the craft you need to learn to shoot, write, edit,

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Speaker 4: and then I got my first big on air job

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Speaker 4: at Pay the Bills in San Angelo, Texas. And what

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Speaker 4: we do in our bus we work our way up

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Speaker 4: to different stations and market sizes. So I went to

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Speaker 4: an NBC station in Tucson and then to Fox eleven

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Speaker 4: here in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well, I just have to say. We

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Speaker 1: have so much more we're going to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: when we return, we're going to continue our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Christine Devine, sixteen time Emmy Award winner, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to learn more about her family and her Brazilian roots

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Speaker 1: in her background and how she met her father, and

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Speaker 1: she has got a very very interesting relative. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's actually a very famous Brazilian actress. Stay tuned to

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Speaker 1: hear more of Hollywoods Hidden treasures. We've got lots to

1053
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Speaker 1: talk about. Welcome back here listening to Hollywood's Hidden Treasures.

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Speaker 1: I'm Denel Daddigan and joining us once again is a

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Speaker 1: great friend of the Hollywood Museum. The sixteen time Emmy

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Speaker 1: Award winning television news anchor Christine Devine. We can hear

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Speaker 1: her weeknights on the five and ten pm News on

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Speaker 1: Fox eleven in Los Angeles. And you know, she made

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Speaker 1: changes for so many young people in their lives through

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Speaker 1: her segment Wednesday's Child And you know she was honored

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d c. By the Congress as an Angel

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Speaker 1: in Adoption as well as the Child Welfare League of America.

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Speaker 1: And you know in Hollywood, Christine has played reporter roles

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Speaker 1: in films and on TV. Of course, Christina, and I

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Speaker 1: got to tell everyone this. You were a reporter on

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Speaker 1: Independence Day, Cable Guy, Wag the Dog, American Horror Story

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Speaker 1: twenty four, Rosewood, Beverly Hills nine O two one zero,

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Speaker 1: Melrose Place, and prison Break. Christine, You've been a busy girl.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you, it's really funny because sometimes those

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Speaker 4: reporter roles, then they're always a reporter role. We have

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Speaker 4: restrictions from our company this to what we can do.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes you'd be on for six seconds. My moll would

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Speaker 4: go to theater and she'd say, that's it. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: but it was me. And then you get your residual

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Speaker 4: check and sometimes it would be for thirteen cents. But

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Speaker 4: it's really fun. And your friend's like, oh wow, I

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Speaker 4: saw you.

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Speaker 1: So exciting. Well, you know, Christina, in one of our conversations,

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Speaker 1: you shared that after a long search, you found and

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Speaker 1: connected with your birth father. Yes, what was that like

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Speaker 1: for you after all that time?

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Speaker 4: My goodness, Well, I've never met my father. My mother,

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Speaker 4: as I'd mentioned, was in the Peace Corps in Brazil

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Speaker 4: and she opted not to stay with my father at

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Speaker 4: the a story I will never fully understand because she's

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Speaker 4: passed away. But as she was ill with terminal cancer,

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Speaker 4: she said, here's your father and showed me his picture

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00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 4: on Facebook. I've never seen a picture, never met him.

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Speaker 4: The family kind of said, you know, let that storyline

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Speaker 4: of Brazil go, let's just move on from there. And

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Speaker 4: so several years later, a friend of hers, who was

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Speaker 4: also in the Peace Corps, said we're going to go

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Speaker 4: find family about.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh wow. Yeah, and you've subsequently visited him several times.

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Speaker 4: Well, we went through his son, and when his son

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Speaker 4: told him, his father wanted to connect. So we did

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Speaker 4: a zoom that he speaks only Portuguese from Brazil, so

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Speaker 4: I had a translator come in. I had little cameras

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Speaker 4: all over my office to capture literally every angle of

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Speaker 4: that zoom, because you know, the first time seeing your father,

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Speaker 4: you want to capture that excitement. And from there, the

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Speaker 4: family invited me out. And this was two years ago

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Speaker 4: and I've been five times, which is it's something that's

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Speaker 4: not an easy flight to go to Brazil. It's like

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Speaker 4: twenty hours to get there.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And when you were there, you learned

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Speaker 1: you are related to a black icon, the Brazilian actress

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Speaker 1: Leah Garcia. Now I know she passed away several years

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00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: ago at ninety years old, but she was a critically

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Speaker 1: acclaimed and popular actress who starred in soap operas, movies, television,

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Speaker 1: and I believe she was most recognized for her performance

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Speaker 1: in the internationally known Oscar Award winning film Black Orphia.

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Speaker 1: What was that from nineteen sixty.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it won the Oscar for Best International Film.

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Speaker 4: And I remember my mother had told me that when

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Speaker 4: she was in Brazil, we used to hang in an

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Speaker 4: actor's crowd, so I knew of that, and Leah had

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Speaker 4: passed the very week I found my family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was it like when you first learned that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what went through you? I mean, here you

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00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: are a very famous entertainment professional and here you are

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Speaker 1: related to this. Well, she was an icon, a Brazilian actress.

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Speaker 1: I mean what was that like? I mean, she was

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Speaker 1: a icon.

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Speaker 4: The family kept saying, do you know Leah Garcia? You

1126
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Speaker 4: have to know Leia Garcia. This is your aunt. I've

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: never heard of her. I didn't you know in the

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Speaker 4: United States. How many Brazilian projects are we watching on

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Speaker 4: our TV and movies?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Pretty much? Are only the few that get an Oscar

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Speaker 4: nomination from time to time like this year. So it

1133
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: said not somebody I knew, But the family kept pushing

1134
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Speaker 4: the knowledge of her onto me. So I had no

1135
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Speaker 4: choice but to accept that this was my family. Thank

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Speaker 4: you to them. And then when I went out there

1137
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 4: there was always some thing going on. There was a

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Speaker 4: theater named after her. On my first visit, so the

1139
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: family brought me up on stage and then recognized me

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Speaker 4: as part of the family. Then the second visit, as

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00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 4: she was being honored at City Hall and there was

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Speaker 4: a big exhibit and they brought me up to meet

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 4: politicians and gave me a certificate.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And then this last time I just got back a

1146
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 4: few weeks ago, she was highly honored at Carnival. Exact,

1147
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 4: the whole Zamba School had their theme based on Lea Garcia.

1148
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 4: It was floats and the song and costumes all dedicated

1149
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 4: to Lea Garcia.

1150
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 7: Wow.

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00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: And you went to this with your birth father.

1152
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wrote on the flow it's crazy. And one

1153
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 4: float had all the photos of her over a lifetime

1154
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: of career and it's just so great to see him

1155
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: on that float sing in a little heart out pictures

1156
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 4: of his sister by them.

1157
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: Christine, you really have led such a full life. And

1158
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: if you could pass on a few words of advice

1159
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: to a young boy or girl wanting to follow their dreams,

1160
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: what positive message can you share with our young people

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: out there who may be listening to the show.

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Speaker 4: I always say that life is a journey, that the

1163
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 4: highs and the lows, the ups and downs. They never

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00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 4: really end. They're just different chapters that we have to

1165
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: process through as they happen. Right now, finding my father,

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00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 4: I get to experience tremendous highs they couldn't have imagined.

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Speaker 4: But also there's a lot of sadness because he's so

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 4: far away and he's eighty three years old, and you know,

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00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: I can only get out there maybe every six months,

1170
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 4: if I'm lucky, maybe once a year. And Father, he

1171
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: just cries, he send to me one visit. I want

1172
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 4: you to live in Brazil. I've got a job, I've

1173
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 4: got to work. So my point being is that we

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 4: all have unexpected chapters, unexpected journeys. Some are truly high,

1175
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 4: others are truly sorrowful. But that's part of being a

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00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: human and it's how we grow through the chapters. And

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Speaker 4: you never know what next door is going to open. Wow,

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00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 4: experience is going to open?

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Speaker 1: What powerful words?

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Speaker 8: Wow?

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I'm just listening to you and just almost overwhelmed by

1183
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It is so true, you know, you know,

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00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: right now we celebrating Black History Month, and this exhibit

1185
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood you see him, this joint is Jumping

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01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: is going to remain available for our viewers and our

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01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: visitors through the end of May. Tell us how important

1188
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: is Black History Month for you? What does this month represent?

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Speaker 1: And tell us how young people can benefit from this.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm truly humbled and grateful to be included because

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 4: growing up I was not really aware of the black

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 4: history or that side of my family, my mom being Caucasian,

1193
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 4: my stepdad as well. So really going to Brazil has

1194
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 4: helped solidify that side of me and my younger brother,

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 4: my father's son, is very much into the ancestry and

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 4: the history. Ala Garcia is honored so much because of

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01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 4: her work to uplift the black actor. Her husband had

1198
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: founded Black Theater kind of to do away with blackface. Oh,

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01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 4: uplifts the black actor. So both of them have been

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01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 4: icons when it comes to uplifting the black community in Brazil,

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 4: a history that I never knew. I knew my mother

1202
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 4: wanted to be of service, working enough. Avella's the very

1203
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 4: poor of the poor, and there are photos of her

1204
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 4: and magazine covers of her and brochures of her that

1205
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 4: illustrate that. So it's always in my conscientious but I

1206
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 4: never got to live it and No'm living it learning it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, would you make me take a deep breath?

1208
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: And I'm going to just ask one more question behind.

1209
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: But you know it's true, Christine, you've been in the

1210
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: biz showbiz as a newscaster for more than thirty years.

1211
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine you've chosen a very competitive and

1212
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: difficult career. How have you been able to keep your

1213
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: career going for these years? And Christine, you're always so positive?

1214
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: How do you do this?

1215
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if I always am. Yeah, it's coming

1216
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: up on probably forty years. I've been at Fox eleven

1217
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: at thirty five alone, and remember I was at two

1218
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 4: other stations before that. I'm just very grateful to get

1219
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: to tell stories still. You know, it's a changing business.

1220
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 4: We're much more into streaming now and our website and

1221
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,959
Speaker 4: access twenty four to seven. I just believe that whether

1222
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm at a TV station or not, I probably always

1223
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 4: will be telling some kind of story somewhere somehow, because

1224
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 4: I'm interested in people. I'm interested in the house and

1225
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 4: the whys this day and age. With our cell phones, yeah,

1226
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 4: we can shoot all of that ourselves. I don't need

1227
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 4: to hire a crew necessarily, and so there's no shortage

1228
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: of stories. There never will be. It's just how much

1229
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: effort you want to put into creating that and getting

1230
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 4: that content up.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well, throughout the decades, what's maybe the one

1232
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: story that you think about that just puts a smile

1233
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: on your face that you feel just joy from.

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 4: I've covered a lot of stories.

1235
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: This may be, honest, it must be the one that

1236
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: we were together in the blondess only room at the

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01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: Hollywood Museum, either one of us blondes.

1238
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 4: No, but tell us it's funny having done that story

1239
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 4: on the museum. As you know, I was with a

1240
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: young actor when I saw you recently, and I got

1241
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 4: to show him around and explain the different rooms to

1242
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 4: him of the museum and him being a young actor,

1243
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 4: he hadn't been to the Hollywood Museum yet, and I

1244
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 4: thought it was great for his own history and knowledge

1245
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 4: to realize that so many have come before him to

1246
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: pave the way and to lay the groundwork for the

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01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: industry that we witnessed today.

1248
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: Well, that is so true, you know, And I just

1249
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: can't believe how quick our time together has gone by.

1250
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a real pleasure having you Christine

1251
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: Devine here on Hollywoods hidden treasures in our final moments together.

1252
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: Please tell our listeners how they can follow you in.

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01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 4: This day and age. The best way is Foxlocal, our

1254
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 4: app foxla dot com. We always stream, and my social

1255
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 4: media is Divine News and I spell it this way,

1256
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 4: the easy and I'm happy to take story ideas and

1257
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 4: happy to hear from people. And I thank you for

1258
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 4: including me because just you know, as newspeople, we don't

1259
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 4: always think of ourselves as getting to be a part

1260
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 4: of the rich Hollywood history. We're kind of like the

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01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 4: stepchild in a way.

1262
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Speaker 1: Oh you're so funny, but you are part of the

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: Hollywood's rich history. Absolutely. Well, thank you Christine Devine for

1264
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: joining us today. We've all loved your stories and thank

1265
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: you for sharing well.

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I will be in my pajamas with

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 4: the bowl of popcorn, enjoying the oscars and the comforts

1268
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 4: of my home and probably social media and comments and

1269
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 4: celebrating our actors who bring other stories to life in

1270
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 4: such a different way. There is a Brazilian film. There

1271
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 4: is a Brazilian film Secret Agent that's up this year.

1272
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well we'll have to watch for that, Yes, well,

1273
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: thank you, Christine, thanks for joining us today.

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate it always.

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01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: Well, you're listening to Hollywood Hidden Treasures. I'm Deanel Daddik

1276
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: and when we return, we'll be speaking with the critically

1277
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: acclaimed film and television actor, son of the actor and

1278
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: director Greg Morris. You remember him from Mission Impossible and

1279
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: he's a voice actor for numerous animated projects and he's

1280
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: a very wise man, Phil Morris. So stay tuned to

1281
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: hear more as we celebrate black entertainment history. Our guests

1282
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: have been recognized with more awards than you can imagine.

1283
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: And these guests tonight, they've all showcased in our newest exhibition.

1284
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: This joint is Jumpin', a celebration of Black entertainers from film,

1285
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: TV and song on display at the Hollywood Museum in

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01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: the historic Max Factor Building. Where you're listening to Hollywoods

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01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: Hidden Treasures and we've got lots to talk about. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. I'm Danel Dadigan. Joining

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01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: us is Phil Morris, you know, acting as in his blood.

1290
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: His first TV role was on Star Trek as a

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01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: child in nineteen sixty six, and we got to hear

1292
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: all about this. Phil co starred in the eighties remake

1293
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: of Mission Impossible, playing the son of Barney Collier, who

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Speaker 1: was played in the original Mission an Impossible series by

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Speaker 1: Phil Morris's real life father, Greg Morris. You know we

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Speaker 1: all love Phil Morris when he played his recurring character

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Speaker 1: law school student turned attorney Tyrone Jackson in the ever

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Speaker 1: popular soap The Young and Restless and I can still

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Speaker 1: see Phil as the Johnny cochrane inspired defense attorney Jackie

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Speaker 1: Chiles in Seinfeld. Phil enjoys voice acting and is known

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Speaker 1: for providing voices to numerous animated series, video games, and

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Speaker 1: superhero projects. What can I say about Phil? He's a

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Speaker 1: great friend of the Hollywood Museum. So Phil, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood Hidden Treasures.

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Speaker 2: Dn't no.

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Speaker 8: It's so wonderful to hear your voice. And I just

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Speaker 8: was laughing because whenever I hear the theme of Mission Impossible,

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Speaker 8: it's here.

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Speaker 1: Well, which one was that?

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Speaker 2: Was that?

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Speaker 1: Your Mission impossible or your dad's Mission Impossible?

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Speaker 8: I think that was I don't know, I can't do

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Speaker 8: the same thing. I think that was my dad's actually,

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Speaker 8: but it's all Lallo Schifferent the Genius lawa shifferent. Definitely beautiful,

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Speaker 8: But it's just what I was going to say. It

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Speaker 8: just reminds me of so many magical moments in my life,

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Speaker 8: the gratefulness that I have for my parents raising us

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Speaker 8: the way they did. I think about Hollywood, I think

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Speaker 8: about you, I think about the museum, and it's just

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Speaker 8: Hollywood is a magical world, some magical place, and I've

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Speaker 8: been very fortunate to live it. It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to agree with you on all of it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I would love for you to share

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Speaker 1: with our listeners. How did you get your start and showbiz?

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Speaker 1: I mean, tell us about your frisk gig?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Star trek Oh?

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Speaker 8: Actually, you know you've mentioned my father, Greg Morris, and

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Speaker 8: thank you for that. He was so influential in so

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Speaker 8: many ways in television and in the industry as one

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Speaker 8: of the first African American actors to kind of really

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Speaker 8: really make it on a national network television level. So

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Speaker 8: him having that situation, we of course were pretty to

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Speaker 8: so many things and got so many opportunities in One

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Speaker 8: of them was to voice little projects or be involved

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Speaker 8: in little projects when we were younger. One of the

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Speaker 8: ones that I did as a voiceover actor. The first

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Speaker 8: one I did was called Easter Is. It was a

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Speaker 8: bit of a religious themed project and I played a

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Speaker 8: little kid who was a best friend of the lead

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Speaker 8: kid in the series or in the movie. And then

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Speaker 8: I followed it up with another one called Christmas Is.

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Speaker 8: They really went out of the lambor with that one,

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Speaker 8: and that's how I really got my start. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it was the first time I ever spoke in front

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Speaker 8: of a microphone professionally. And then after that, I think

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Speaker 8: the Star Trek was after that, and that was an

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Speaker 8: amazing experience because that episode of Star Trek called Mary

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Speaker 8: starred Michael J. Pollard and Kim Darby, and it was

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01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 8: a bit of a stunt cast because they wanted kids

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Speaker 8: in this show who weren't actors, right, who weren't polished actors,

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Speaker 8: but really understood how to behave on a television set.

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Speaker 8: Who better than actors, Children who know when they go

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Speaker 8: to see mom or dad on the set that they

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Speaker 8: have to be quiet when they have to be quiet,

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Speaker 8: and they can do whatever when they want to be whatever.

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Speaker 8: So my sister Iona was there, I was there, Carrie

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Speaker 8: and John Grys. John Grys is on Lotus Something Lotus

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Speaker 8: he's a wonderful actor I've known in my whole life.

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Speaker 8: But that was that episode. And so those are the

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Speaker 8: two experiences that really started me even thinking about being

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Speaker 8: in this business, which I didn't get into until I

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Speaker 8: was the ripe old age of seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to say, I mean, for our listeners, Phil,

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Speaker 1: you made television history when you were on The Young

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Speaker 1: and the Restless. You played two characters, one white man

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Speaker 1: and one black man. How did The Young and Restless

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Speaker 1: reveal it was you playing both roles?

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Speaker 8: How did they do that right to the reveal? Well,

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Speaker 8: the reveal happened. I played this character, this Anglo character,

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Speaker 8: will call him.

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Speaker 1: There was that you were both going to law schooler.

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Speaker 8: Well, Tyron Jackson was a law student, as you said

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Speaker 8: inter opening, and he came to Generala City, which is

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Speaker 8: the city, that pictious city where Young and the Restless

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Speaker 8: it takes place as the brother, the very studious law

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Speaker 8: student brother of Jazz Jackson, who was the leg breaker

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Speaker 8: for the local mob. I mean, it doesn't get Wowow.

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Speaker 8: He was the yin and yang of it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 8: He was the yang and I was the yin. And

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Speaker 8: he would send me money to go to law school,

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Speaker 8: never telling me he made his money by breaking legs

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Speaker 8: and murdering people for the mob. So up unannounced in

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Speaker 8: Generous City, shocking him because now he's got to dance

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Speaker 8: double time to cover his tracks, and ultimately I find

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Speaker 8: out that he's a leg breaker for the Mob. It's

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Speaker 8: a terrible scene. He and I have a horrible coming together,

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Speaker 8: and we decide that we're going to join forces and

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Speaker 8: go back in and I'm going to infiltrate the mob.

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Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, it doesn't get better. So Young and

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Speaker 8: the Restless and Bill Dell, in their their wonderful creative wisdom,

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Speaker 8: tried me in a couple of different guys. Is I

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Speaker 8: tried a street corner like pimp, drug dealer from Detroit,

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Speaker 8: A low level drug dealer from Detroit. Is the first

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Speaker 8: guys that I played under for a few months and

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Speaker 8: then I got found out. So they figured I would

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Speaker 8: go back undercover as a white guy. And I spent

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Speaker 8: hours in the makeup trailer and I went on for

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Speaker 8: a minute a long time, and they won Best Show,

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Speaker 8: best Writing, best makeup, best best everything. And the reveal

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Speaker 8: was that I was going to get married to the

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Speaker 8: mob boss's daughter, and on my wedding night. I had

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Speaker 8: to I had to reveal who I actually was. No,

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Speaker 8: it's no, you can't really, I can't make it up.

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Speaker 2: It was all scripted.

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Speaker 8: It's in the annals. Roger Neil, who is our great friend,

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Speaker 8: he knows this story well, like you're sitting.

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Speaker 1: Here in the studio with me laughing and laughing, so

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Speaker 1: he knows.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 8: Really, honestly, it couldn't have done. They were so good

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01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 8: to me, danell I Roger will speak to it. They

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 8: treated me beautifully. It was I was a young actor.

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Speaker 8: These emotional shifts were mega, and it couldn't have been

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 8: better training to be honestly.

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Speaker 1: Did So let me ask you the question, what was

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Speaker 1: the reaction of your fans to all of this.

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Speaker 8: I think, on the whole, ninety percent of the people

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Speaker 8: absolutely loved it. I mean they're ten ten percent were

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01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 8: like especially you know, I mean really, but just be real.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's like, I'm a black guy, Frina white guy.

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Speaker 8: So some of the community, my community was like, really, bro,

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01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 8: let mean, what's up with that? I couldn't care less

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Speaker 8: quite Frankly. My father and I talked about it, and

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Speaker 8: he was like, son, I mean a million white there's

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Speaker 8: a Plato fellow, and you're an actor. You're not making

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Speaker 8: a sociological statement. You're regurgitating somebody else's vision and that's

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Speaker 8: my job. And I thought I did it really, really well,

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Speaker 8: and I'll be proud of it forever.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I can hear that, so whey you start now,

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Speaker 1: I really can. And it's a kind of amazing. You know,

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Speaker 1: all that you have done, and you're so humble and modest. Phil.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say, when you start on the new

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Speaker 1: Mission Impossible TV series, did you feel any kind of

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Speaker 1: pressure that you would be compared to your dad from

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Speaker 1: the original series the most.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if there's more pressure really gotten in

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Speaker 8: any industry than following your parent, whether it's a mother

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Speaker 8: or a father. You know, and you know, because we

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01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 8: all are trying to be better. You know, they want

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01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 8: you to be better than they were. They want you

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01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 8: to excel and acceed where they were. And how do

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 8: you do that when that light is so bright, you know,

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01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 8: when the shoulders of giants that you stand on you

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 8: wake up and have breakfast with every morning. So yeah,

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 8: it was incredibly daunting. But you know, as we know

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 8: each other a little bit, you've gleaned. I'm quite certain

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Speaker 8: in my life, and I listened to signs that are

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01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 8: greater than other things in my life, and I try

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 8: to adhere to those things, whether they're comfortable or they're not.

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01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 8: This certainly was questionable. As much as I think I

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01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 8: wanted to do it, my dad and I did not

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Speaker 8: think I would get it. Actually, I know we didn't

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01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 8: think i'd get it because we thought, you know, it's

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01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 8: too close, it's too under those And to be honest

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Speaker 8: with you, I got the role of Barney Callier. It

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Speaker 8: was a writer strike, the precipitated mission, impossible coming out

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 8: of mothballs. They could not change a word of anything, dialogue,

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Speaker 8: plot points, characters, nothing. So when we got the roles,

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Speaker 8: I got Barney Callier, Tayl Pengliss got roll in Hand,

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Speaker 8: Tony Hamilton got Willie Armitage, and Peter Graves of course

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Speaker 8: with Peter Gris. But I was the last person they saw.

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Speaker 8: They saw just about every one of my friends prior Wow,

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 8: and they kept calling me and say, you know, let

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Speaker 8: me the paramount and I read for Barney's role. Are

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Speaker 8: you good and are you going in? I was like, no,

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 8: I haven't gotten a call and so finally, I think

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01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 8: the last week they called me in, I walked in.

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Speaker 8: I nailed it. I got it like that day a boom,

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 8: I was Barney Collier, like overnight it was crazy, smashed up,

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Speaker 8: damn and then the registruct finished and you know, and

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Speaker 8: there was them.

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Speaker 1: They made me the son of Oh wow, that is

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01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: just amazing. So I guess gott to ask the question,

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Speaker 1: as a film and television star, how important is Black

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01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: History Month to you? And tell us how young people

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01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: benefit from this?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mentioned the shoulders of giants that we

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 8: stand on. I mean no more gigantic or broad shoulders

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 8: than African Americans who achieved anything in this country when

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 8: the game was not made for them. Right, the rules

1483
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 8: are not written for immigrants and others. Let's say so

1484
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 8: people of color certainly did not have any advantage. So

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 8: when we celebrate them, we're celebrating people who were not denied,

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01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 8: who cannot be told no and had its stick. And

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01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:54,799
Speaker 8: those are lessons that all of this as human beings,

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 8: can benefit from. And so the young people of today,

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 8: when you run against certain challenges and certain obstacles, just

1490
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 8: put into context what the people who came before you

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 8: went through just so that you could go through those

1492
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 8: obstacles and not fear your life. And when I think

1493
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 8: of those things months like Black History Month and people

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 8: like you, Danelle, people who are not from my culture

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01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 8: who recognize it, I realize how resonant it really is

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01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 8: and how important it really is. And it does mean

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,480
Speaker 8: that we are all wont because.

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Speaker 1: We all yes, it's part of American history.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't believe. We have got to jump because

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: we have to have our station break. So let me

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: just say, you're listening to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. I'm Danell

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01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: Daddigan and when we return, we'll continue our conversation with

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01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: Phil Morris. You know, that critically acclaimed film and television

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01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: actor and as you can tell from this last segment,

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 1: he is a very wise man. So stay tuned to

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01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 1: hear more from Phil Morris sharing his inspirational, personal and

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01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: professional stories. You're listening to Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. We've got

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01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: lots to talk about. What welcome back. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Hollywood's Hidden Treasures. I'm Danielle Daddigan and joining us once

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: again the critically acclaimed film television actor Phil Morris. You

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: know he's the son of the actor and director Greg Morris,

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: and he is a voice actor for numerous animated series,

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Speaker 1: video games, and superhero projects. Well, hey, Phil, thanks for

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: joining us once again here on Hollywood's Hidden Treasures.

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01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 8: So good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks. Well, let's just jump right in. I mean, I

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: quit ask if you could pass on a few words

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: to a young boy or girl wanting to follow their dreams.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: What positive message can you share with our young people

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: out there maybe listening to the show right now.

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 8: If you're dreaming of something special, You're special, You're a

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01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 8: special energy. Invest in that invest in that energy, whatever

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01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 8: that is.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 8: For me, as you hear, I'm an actor, but there's

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Speaker 8: so many other things that I do. I'm very very

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01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 8: passionate about and I invest in every single one of them. Yeah,

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 8: because they can carry the day for you. What that

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01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 8: means is for me is acting as an actor or

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01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 8: I tell young actors find the best class. Get into

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01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 8: a class that is the best suited for you. If

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01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 8: your child, get into a child acting class, but get

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01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 8: on stage find out if you really do have the

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01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 8: sense of performing. You know, a lot of people say

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01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 8: they want to do it, they have a said that

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 8: parents go, you're so funny, You're cute as a button,

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01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 8: and then you know, they get in front of an

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 8: audience and they freeze up. So best to get the

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 8: experience under your belt and really see if that is

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 8: what you are and who you need to be. I mean,

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01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 8: experience it first and then dive as deep as your

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01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 8: passion will let you.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say. The other night, when we

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01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 1: were at the Hollywood Museum opening up the new exhibit,

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: this joint is jumping. You mentioned something about some advice

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: and a comment that your dad gave you when you

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: were starting in the business, or you overheard him always saying,

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01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: do you carry that throughout your career?

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Speaker 8: Sure, even though my father had given him so much advice,

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 8: so much incredible advice. Could you do an entire segment

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 8: about that? And many African Americans understand this. You had

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01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 8: to work twice as hard to get half a look, right,

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01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 8: you get half a chance, work at least twice as hard,

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01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 8: which is difficult to understand if you had not experienced it,

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 8: and if you've experienced it's difficult to accept. But it's

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 8: the thing that in the paradigm that we have lived

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01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 8: in as African Americans, we have to challenge ourselves to

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 8: push through so that hopefully one day it will not

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01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 8: be that way. Women go through a very similar situation.

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 8: It's different in terms of how it's couched, but the

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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 8: obstacles and the filters are still in place. Because they

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01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 8: are in place, you have to sometimes be ten times

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01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 8: as strong to go half as far.

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Speaker 1: That's very true.

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Speaker 8: That's why I respect the people who came before me,

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 8: because they were a million times stronger than I was.

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01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 8: Don't know what I would have done, so I honor them.

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Speaker 8: I honor their journey.

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Speaker 1: Well, I have to say we honor your words, because

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: really it's extraordinary that you can vocalize these thoughts and

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01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 1: our listeners can hear them and recognize the lives that

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: everyone has led. You know, they think, oh, well, you know, Phil,

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01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: he comes from an entertainment family. But just think of

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 1: all that knowledge and inspiration you know your father passed

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01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 1: on to you. But what he did is he opened

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01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: your eyes so that you could continue and become successful

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01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: on your own merits in this industry.

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Speaker 8: So true, so true, and all the time it's being

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01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 8: made known to me. You know, as kids, we don't

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 8: really light on the genius of our parents. You know,

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01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 8: we're pigeonholing them as our parents are not cool. They

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01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 8: couldn't know they know everything? How could they know what

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01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 8: we know? And you know, even though I'm an independent

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 8: soul and fiercely myself, ironically enough, I have had a

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 8: long term marriage like my father did. I'm in the

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 8: exact same business as my father, and I think his

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01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 8: influence was obviously incredible on me. And in learning these

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01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 8: things and kind of walking on similar walk that he did.

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01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 8: A lot of the things that he said to me,

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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 8: they ring true and I have AHAs all the time. Oh,

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 8: I love that he said to me that I'm now

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 8: experiencing that I could have gotten.

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 4: No other way.

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 8: If I was in a different profession. Maybe it would

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 8: come later or not at all.

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01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: Can you share with us one AHA moment?

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Speaker 8: I said it denied at the museum. The thing that

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01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 8: happened for these people that we were honoring where they

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01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,799
Speaker 8: could not be denied was the art was not racist.

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01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 8: The art didn't see color, the expression didn't see gender. Yes,

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01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 8: to be a certain culture, you bring that to the art,

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,679
Speaker 8: but the art doesn't require you to be anything except

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01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 8: truthful and honest, and that's why they succeeded, because you

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01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,719
Speaker 8: can't deny that and so begrudgingly or not, the universe

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 8: opened the door and my father showed me that he

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 8: was like as an actor, as an artist, you are

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01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 8: as valuable as anybody on the planet. It's a human

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01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 8: of course, but in my art, don't limit yourself to

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01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 8: being a black actor. Ah, aren't. I'm exactly right?

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01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 7: Awaken.

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, we bring this full circle. Yeah, it was beautiful. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well you know, I mean, you're so successful in your career.

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01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: It's quite something when I think about it. If you could,

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: what advice would you give your younger self?

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01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 8: God, I don't know if I've said it sees, but

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say it again because it's so true. Don't

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01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 8: take it so seriously. Brother, Well you.

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01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: Haven't told me that, but now everyone's heard it. So

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01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: that's great. Well, if you just ease up.

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 8: On yourself, you know, keep playing. It's a play, it's

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 8: a teleplay, it's a screenplay. It's a play play.

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01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 7: You know.

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01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 8: I love it. So that was that right there. I

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 8: would hopefully give myself that tip.

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 1: This evening show has gone by with lightning speed. Phil

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01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: I can't believe we've come to our end of our

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01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: time together this evening. It's been a pleasure having you,

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01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: Phil Morris here on Hollywoods hidden treasures in our final

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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: moments together. Tell our listeners how they can follow you.

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01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: Maybe your website, social handle.

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01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 8: Sure, I'm at the Phil Morris almost everywhere, Instagram, Facebook,

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01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 8: all that stuff. I know the other one of its

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 8: acts the other or two at the Phill Morris everywhere.

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01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 8: That's such a dinosaur. But yeah, that's where you can

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01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 8: find me.

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01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Phil Morris, thank you for joining us

1639
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 1: this evening. It's been truly a delight having you here.

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01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 8: Always a pleasure to know earn so much.

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01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you.

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01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 4: Well.

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01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: I just have to say I love tonight's stories, Roger,

1644
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: what was your favorite story?

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01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 6: Had several? I love Christine Divine's story about how she

1646
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,679
Speaker 6: just pursued and found her dad. And I love Phil's

1647
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 6: story about the advice his dad gave him to really

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01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 6: work twice as hard.

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01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 8: So it was good.

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01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it's quite something. Christine's story is just amazing. And Phil,

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01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: every time we chat with Phil and every time I

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: see him, I learned something new. And I think that's

1653
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: one of the goals of having rich and fulfilling life

1654
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: is to learn from your friends.

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 7: Wow.

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01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: Well, before we sign off this evening, let's tell our

1657
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: listeners how to visit the Hollywood Museum in the historic

1658
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: Max Factory Building.

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01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 6: Well, you can come on down in person to sixteen

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01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 6: sixteen North Island Avenue in Hollywood, or follow us at

1661
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 6: the website Hollywood Museum dot com or on our social

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01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 6: media at Hollywood Museum.

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01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: Bravo, Roger, thank you, thank you. We'll come and visit

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01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Museum in the historic Max Factor Building and

1665
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: see ten thousand real Showbiz treasures showcasing more than one

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01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: hundred years of Hollywood entertainment. There's something for everyone at

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01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Museum in the historic Max Factor Building. This

1668
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: evening here on Hollywood Hidden Treasures once again has just

1669
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: flown by. Tonight was amazing. I enjoyed hearing the personal

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,959
Speaker 1: stories from our friends. It was so enlightening and entertaining,

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01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 1: I mean all at the same time. A big thank

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01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: you to our guest Christine Devine, Free to Payne, Phil Morris,

1673
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: Heywood Nelson and Ernest Thomas and Tyrone du Bois. And

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01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: thank you to our listeners for joining us. This evening

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: with our guests, the award winning actors and entertainment professionals,

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01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: celebrating Black entertainment history, sharing their inspirational and personal and

1677
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: professional stories. So what was your favorite story? Thank you

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01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: for joining us this evening from all of us here

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: at Hollywoods Hidden Treasures. Stay strong, stay safe, and stay well.

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01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed my time with you, and be sure to

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01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: tune in next week to discover more of Hollywood's Hidden

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01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: treasures with me, Danelle Daddigan and some of Hollywood's finest

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01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: right here on Talk radio seven ninety k ABC