WEBVTT - Wired for Belonging

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<v Speaker 1>Well, good morning. Thank you for tuning in as we

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<v Speaker 1>introduce a brand new series of conversations today. We are

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<v Speaker 1>kicking off a little series called Wired, and we're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe how you got to be who you are.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get to be who you are? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about it? Do you consider it? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it over? As early as Aristotle, there was

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<v Speaker 1>an idea that we are all just blank slates. When

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<v Speaker 1>we're born, there's really nothing to us, but our environment,

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<v Speaker 1>our upbringing, our circumstances will all write our personalities into existence.

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<v Speaker 1>John Locke brought that concept and idea into the 17th

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<v Speaker 1>century and B.F. Skinner brought it into the modern era

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<v Speaker 1>in the 20th century. You've probably heard it discussed in

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<v Speaker 1>these terms. Is it nature or nurture that causes people

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<v Speaker 1>to be who they are? On the other hand, There's

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<v Speaker 1>the ever-popular Popeye the Sailor Man approach, which clearly states,

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<v Speaker 1>I am what I am, and that's all that I am.

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<v Speaker 1>That idea stretches all the way back to Plato. I

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<v Speaker 1>was born this way, and I'm not changing much. In

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<v Speaker 1>the 19th century, the philosopher Schopenhauer gave us what is

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<v Speaker 1>called essentialism as a way of understanding human character. Essentialism

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<v Speaker 1>basically says, I am what I am and I don't change.

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<v Speaker 1>It argues that objects and people have a fixed, unalterable

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<v Speaker 1>core essence that defines them. And that perspective suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>your fundamental nature is innate, permanent. It's immune to transformation.

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<v Speaker 1>You were made this way. You were born this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Somewhere between those extremes is probably a truer experience than

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<v Speaker 1>most of us have of life. We can change. We

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<v Speaker 1>do come with hardwiring. There are personalities. If you've had

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<v Speaker 1>more than one child, you know this already, that they

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<v Speaker 1>come with a distinct personality. And if you just have one,

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<v Speaker 1>you may think that you're really shaping that personality. And

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<v Speaker 1>you are. But when you have another one, then you go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to take a whole different kind of shaping.

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<v Speaker 1>We can change. We are formed by our environment and experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Changing is hard work. And we may need help. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we grow and as we mature, even that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of help, it has to take into account how we're wired,

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<v Speaker 1>how we came equipped with a personality and a core essence.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that matters. That somewhere we understand, yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>are born with a specific personality. And yes, we do

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<v Speaker 1>grow and change. in the course of our lives and

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<v Speaker 1>are impacted by the people around us. The Bible seems

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge those two ideas. It suggests that we are

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<v Speaker 1>indeed made for something, that we are specifically gifted to

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<v Speaker 1>be who we are. 1 Corinthians 12 talks about the

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<v Speaker 1>body and how God has arranged it just as He

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<v Speaker 1>wants it, suggesting that God has given people personalities, abilities, talents, gifts, passions,

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<v Speaker 1>And then puts them into relational situations where they are

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to use. I say this often to couples who

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<v Speaker 1>are in premarital. You are not compatible, but you are complementary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure opposites attract, but I do think we

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<v Speaker 1>have an innate sense and are drawn to people who

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<v Speaker 1>have strengths that we know we lack. And that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of connects us. So there is a hard wiring that

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<v Speaker 1>goes with us. But then it also speaks of taking

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<v Speaker 1>off the old life and putting on the new life.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul discusses it in detail. In fact, if you just

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<v Speaker 1>want to listen to how this book of Romans finally

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<v Speaker 1>culminates with a big idea, chapter 12, therefore, brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>in view of God's mercy, present your bodies as living sacrifices,

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<v Speaker 1>holy and pleasing to God, which is your reasonable act

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<v Speaker 1>of spiritual worship. And don't conform any longer to the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind that you can prove what God's will is,

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<v Speaker 1>is good and pleasing and perfect will. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>this very clear idea that we are equipped and gifted,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're also invited to grow and change and mature

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<v Speaker 1>and be transformed and having our minds changed and renewed.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk a little bit about the book of Romans,

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<v Speaker 1>from which we'll talk over these next few weeks. The

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<v Speaker 1>book of Romans is very unique. Some people say it's

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<v Speaker 1>the very best writing of Paul in the New Testament.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be hard to argue that. The language itself

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<v Speaker 1>is very polished, and the ideas, the theology presented is

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<v Speaker 1>deep and powerful. Some call it Paul's Summa Theologia, the

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<v Speaker 1>summation of all of his theology. Paul, whose Jewish name

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<v Speaker 1>was Saul... was a child of privilege, coming from evidently

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<v Speaker 1>a wealthy family. He had quite the education. He was educated,

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<v Speaker 1>we're told, from Gamaliel, who was one of the top

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<v Speaker 1>teachers in the world at the time, and he could

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<v Speaker 1>afford an education at that level. He became a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Pharisees, that ruling party in Judaism. The group

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<v Speaker 1>that were legalistic wanted everything to be just right, to

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<v Speaker 1>abide by every small element of the law. The belief

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<v Speaker 1>was that if everyone would abide by the law, then

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<v Speaker 1>God would come and deliver Israel from Roman rule. And

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<v Speaker 1>Paul was a Pharisee. In fact, he said of himself,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a Pharisee of the Pharisees. According to the law,

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<v Speaker 1>he said he was faultless. He kept all the rules.

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<v Speaker 1>And he saw Christianity as a very dangerous threat to Judaism.

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a spinoff of Judaism. But those that

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this Jesus of Nazareth was the promised Messiah

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<v Speaker 1>were a danger. And he actively took place in persecuting

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<v Speaker 1>and killing Christians in the early church. In fact, we're

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<v Speaker 1>told in the book of Acts that he was on

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<v Speaker 1>his way to Damascus, still breathing out threats against the church,

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<v Speaker 1>that he was on his way there to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>some people, to throw them in prison, to persecute them

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<v Speaker 1>and prosecute them. When he saw a vision from heaven,

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<v Speaker 1>a bright light that knocked him off his horse, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had a conversation with Jesus. Now, he would claim

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<v Speaker 1>that he was an apostle. By definition, apostles are those

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<v Speaker 1>who were physically with Jesus, who knew Jesus in his

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<v Speaker 1>time on earth. Paul would say he was an apostle

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<v Speaker 1>born out of time, born unnaturally. He never saw Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>alive on earth, but he saw him in this vision

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<v Speaker 1>on the road to Damascus, and he changed. He converted.

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<v Speaker 1>And what a dramatic change. He went from persecuting the

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<v Speaker 1>church to being one of its strongest advocates. He became

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<v Speaker 1>a missionary to the non-Jewish world. Over in Rome, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a Jewish community, a strong Jewish community since around

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<v Speaker 1>63 BC. That's when Pompey annexed Israel and he took

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<v Speaker 1>captive a number of Jewish slaves and took them back

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<v Speaker 1>to Rome. And the Rome community of Jewish people began

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<v Speaker 1>to By the writing of this letter, it's almost 100

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<v Speaker 1>years old. And things have gone kind of interesting there.

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<v Speaker 1>This group of Jews in Rome have established synagogues. They've

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<v Speaker 1>gone about their Jewish life. You can still today visit

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish ghetto where the Jewish community lived for hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>and hundreds of years. Still a Jewish community today. And

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<v Speaker 1>so something begins to happen in the early part of

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<v Speaker 1>the first century in that Jewish community in Rome. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>knows who founded the church in Rome, but historians speculate

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<v Speaker 1>that there were some Jews in Israel, in Jerusalem, at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the Passover, when Jesus was crucified and

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<v Speaker 1>then resurrected, and that on the day of Pentecost there

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<v Speaker 1>were Jews present when The Holy Spirit was given and

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<v Speaker 1>the apostles and believers spilled out of the upper room

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<v Speaker 1>and began to teach everyone in their own language. And

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<v Speaker 1>speculation is that some of those Jews who heard on

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<v Speaker 1>that day made their way back to Rome and started

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<v Speaker 1>the church. Some of that speculation is centered around what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening historically in those Jewish communities in Rome. There

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<v Speaker 1>was unrest. There were riots. There were civil uprisings going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the Jewish community. So dramatic was this. One

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<v Speaker 1>Roman historian wrote that the problem in the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 1>was at the instigation of one named Crestus. We believe

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<v Speaker 1>that's a corruption of Christ. That these Jews coming back

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<v Speaker 1>from Israel were introducing this Christian cult, this Jewish cult

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<v Speaker 1>called Christianity. into the synagogues in Rome, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the Jews believed and some of the Jews rebelled, fought

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<v Speaker 1>against it just as they were doing in Israel. So

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic did this conflict become that Claudius expelled the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>from Rome. That story is held for us historically, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also recorded in Acts 18. And so the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>who had been a part of the Christian church, they

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<v Speaker 1>were expelled along with all the other Jews. And a

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<v Speaker 1>church in Rome that had been some Gentile and some

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish struggling to figure that all out as the entire

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<v Speaker 1>world is doing in the New Testament. Paul being a

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<v Speaker 1>great advocate for the Gentile world and sharing the gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter coming to believe in the gospel is not just

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<v Speaker 1>for Jews, but it's also for the Gentiles. the early church,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jerusalem Council, all in the New Testament, all recorded

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Kind of the way of the evolution of

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<v Speaker 1>coming to believe that it wasn't all about being a Jew,

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<v Speaker 1>that in fact it was all about God's love for

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<v Speaker 1>all people. And so once expelled, the church in Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been both Jewish and Gentile, got into some conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we're going to continue to unpack

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<v Speaker 1>this story. We'll be right back. Welcome back. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Healing Conversations on KABC 790. I'm Dave Roberts. So

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<v Speaker 1>the church in Rome... Sounds like started from grassroots. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a founding personality, a person named. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a thriving, growing church. Gentiles meeting with Jews in Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no slave or free Jew or Gentile, male or female,

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<v Speaker 1>but all are one in Christ. It's happening in Rome.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Claudius expels the Jews. And five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>they return. And when they come back, they find a

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<v Speaker 1>very different church, a church that's been largely operated and

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<v Speaker 1>functioning today. with the Gentiles. So it's far more Gentile

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<v Speaker 1>and Roman than it was when the Jews left. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there's conflict between the Jews coming back into the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian church in Rome and the Gentiles who have remained

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of been running it and in charge for

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<v Speaker 1>the last five years. And that is the occasion upon

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<v Speaker 1>which Paul, who has longed to come to Rome, but

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<v Speaker 1>never has, but is planning to, sits down in Corinth,

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<v Speaker 1>that city just south of Athens and And he writes

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<v Speaker 1>a long letter to the church at Rome, encouraging them

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<v Speaker 1>to unity, to come back together, to end the divided

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<v Speaker 1>way in which they are thinking and functioning. He has

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<v Speaker 1>three purposes in writing the letter, probably written around 57 AD.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is that he wants them to come together

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<v Speaker 1>and put aside their differences. And he's articulating the power

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<v Speaker 1>of the gospel to look up instead of around. but

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<v Speaker 1>also because he wants to introduce himself and also because

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to prepare them for a visit that's coming

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. As he concludes a letter in Romans 15, 22,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, Paul, in writing this letter, displays an incredible

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<v Speaker 1>amount of transparency. No one's really better qualified to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about bringing division together than Paul. He openly speaks in

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<v Speaker 1>chapter 7 about his own inner life that's so divided.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the most famous passages in all of Scripture.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how a piece of it reads, Romans 7, 15.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not understand what I do. For what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do, I do not do, but what I hate,

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<v Speaker 1>I do. And if I do what I do not

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<v Speaker 1>want to do, I agree that the law is good.

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<v Speaker 1>As it is, it's no longer I myself who do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sin living in me. For I know the

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<v Speaker 1>good itself does not dwell in me that is in

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<v Speaker 1>my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do

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<v Speaker 1>what's good, but I can't carry it out. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I do not do the good I want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but the evil which I do not want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>this I keep on doing. Now, if I do what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do, it's no longer I who

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<v Speaker 1>do it, but it's sin living in me that does

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<v Speaker 1>it since I find this law at work. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do good, evil's right there with me. For

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<v Speaker 1>in my inner being, I delight in God's law. But

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<v Speaker 1>I see another law at work in me, waging war

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<v Speaker 1>against the law of my mind and making me a

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<v Speaker 1>prisoner of the law of sin that work within me.

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<v Speaker 1>What a wretched man I am. Who will rescue me

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<v Speaker 1>from this body that is subject to death? Thanks be

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<v Speaker 1>to God who delivers me through Jesus Christ, our Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I myself, in my mind, am a slave

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<v Speaker 1>to God's law, but in my sinful nature, a slave

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<v Speaker 1>to the law of sin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's some honest conversation there. To this divided church, people

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<v Speaker 1>feeling this great passion, Paul writes and makes it very personal. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a division among Jews and Gentiles is

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<v Speaker 1>not just a division in the life of the church.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a division in the world, in the community, but

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<v Speaker 1>inside each one of us, we're wired in certain ways.

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<v Speaker 1>That in us, there's a distinct imprint of God's divine personality,

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<v Speaker 1>and it calls us to live better, to live higher,

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<v Speaker 1>to live for higher purposes. But there's also some other

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<v Speaker 1>forces at work. And so Paul has sought to speak

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<v Speaker 1>clearly about how this all works and what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>And so as he's now gone through seven chapters, let

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<v Speaker 1>me highlight quickly what he's been teaching. Chapter one, Paul's

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<v Speaker 1>introducing his mission. He's talking about the gospel that reveals

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<v Speaker 1>God's righteousness, that it's available to everyone through faith. He

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<v Speaker 1>explains that both Gentiles and the moral world are guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of suppressing the truth of And turning to idolatry, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that's money or sex or whatever it is, other gods, paganism,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. Chapter two. Now he speaks specifically to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish believers, saying they possess the law, but that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really mean much. That you're supposed to keep the law,

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<v Speaker 1>not just have it. And that God judges all people impartially,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't care about where they come from or what their

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<v Speaker 1>traditions are, their nationality. but he cares about their deeds,

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<v Speaker 1>what they actually do. And then as he builds the

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<v Speaker 1>argument in chapter three, he says, and so no one

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<v Speaker 1>is righteous. Everyone's fallen short of the standard, but God

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<v Speaker 1>solved the problem because he sent his son to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the price that allows each of us to come into

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with God. So he doesn't compromise his holiness,

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<v Speaker 1>but he also doesn't compromise his mercy and his love.

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<v Speaker 1>So God remains just as he is. freely justifies broken,

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<v Speaker 1>fallen people. Then in chapter four, he uses Abraham to

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<v Speaker 1>remind them that it's always been about faith because Abraham,

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<v Speaker 1>his righteousness was credited to him because of faith, not

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<v Speaker 1>because of what he did, but because of his trust

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<v Speaker 1>in God. Chapter five, he continues in that conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>justification by faith. that there is peace with God through

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<v Speaker 1>this process, that through Adam, sin came into the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but through Christ came this new deliverance, grace, and abundant life.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in chapter six, he talks about the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of Christians who think, here's an idea because God's full

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<v Speaker 1>of grace. If we sin, then that means God has

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<v Speaker 1>grace for us. So if we sin more, there's more grace.

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<v Speaker 1>And he talks about motive. that we're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>growing and maturing. We're supposed to desire to get better, stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>not play games around trying to satisfy both our sinful

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<v Speaker 1>nature and then our higher calling to a spiritual nature.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in chapter seven highlights the weakness that this causes,

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<v Speaker 1>this divided human being. We're hardwired in certain ways and

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<v Speaker 1>we're hardwired to belong. You and I long to love

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<v Speaker 1>and be loved, to know and be known. And somehow

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<v Speaker 1>in the life of the church, we got this message

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<v Speaker 1>about faith shifted from belonging to believing. Most of you

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<v Speaker 1>have been to church. You know how it works. You're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to believe some stuff. And if you believe enough stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in. And if you don't believe the right stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out. That if we believe, then we have a

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<v Speaker 1>special place of belonging. When Jesus is asked what's the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest commandment in the law, he says you love your

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<v Speaker 1>God with all your heart and you love your neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>as yourself. Well, that's pretty relational stuff. And yet somehow

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<v Speaker 1>we turn that into an idea of just believing. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just about believing. Believing matters. It's also about belonging.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a whole different thing. That's a relational thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different thing. That's a way of being scooped

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<v Speaker 1>up and embraced and cared for. So based on all

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<v Speaker 1>of this division and fighting and truth and Gentile belief

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<v Speaker 1>and idolatry and Jewish belief and the law and feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like favorites and finding ourselves in our inner world divided

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of a mess, Romans 8, this is how

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<v Speaker 1>Paul responds. Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those

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<v Speaker 1>who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus, the

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<v Speaker 1>law For what the law was powerless to do because

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<v Speaker 1>it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending

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<v Speaker 1>his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to

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<v Speaker 1>be a sin offering. So he condemned sin in the

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<v Speaker 1>flesh in order that the righteous requirement of the law

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<v Speaker 1>might be fully met in us who do not live

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<v Speaker 1>according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who live according to the flesh have their mind set

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<v Speaker 1>on what the flesh desires, but those who live according

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<v Speaker 1>to the spirit have their mind set on what the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death,

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<v Speaker 1>but the mind governed by the spirit is life and peace.

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<v Speaker 1>The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not submit to God's law, nor can it

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<v Speaker 1>do so. Those who are in the realm of the

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<v Speaker 1>flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the

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<v Speaker 1>realm of the flesh. You're in the realm of the spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>If indeed God's spirit lives in you, And if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>does not have the spirit of Christ, they don't belong

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<v Speaker 1>to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even

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<v Speaker 1>though your body is subject to death because of sin,

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the

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<v Speaker 1>spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is

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<v Speaker 1>living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead

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<v Speaker 1>will also give life to your mortal bodies because of

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<v Speaker 1>his spirit who lives in you. Therefore, brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 1>we have an obligation, but it's not to the flesh

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<v Speaker 1>to live according to it. For you will live according

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<v Speaker 1>to the flesh, you'll die. But if you live by

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<v Speaker 1>the Spirit, you put to death the misdeeds of the body,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll live. For those who are led by the Spirit

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<v Speaker 1>of God are the children of God. The Spirit you

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<v Speaker 1>received does not make you slaves so that you live

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<v Speaker 1>in fear again. Rather, the Spirit you received brought about

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<v Speaker 1>your adoption. And by Him we cry, Abba, Father. The

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for children, then we are heirs, heirs of God, co-heirs

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<v Speaker 1>with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in

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<v Speaker 1>order that we may also share in His glory. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Paul's powerful proclamation of the depths of the gospel

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<v Speaker 1>and why it's supposed to bring us together and how

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<v Speaker 1>it addresses the reality that we're wired in a certain

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<v Speaker 1>way But we're also called to change, to live for

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<v Speaker 1>a higher priority, to reach completeness and maturity. And a

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<v Speaker 1>part of that hardwiring is not just to believe a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff and act out, but to belong to something.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we're going to unpack that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. Welcome back. You're listening to Healing Conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dave Roberts. We're continuing to think about belonging. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's just four thoughts. Belonging invites us to unity. Paul knew,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of us know, what it's like to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like inside we are Dr. Jekyll and Mr.

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<v Speaker 2>Hyde.

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<v Speaker 1>That some days we want a lot of good things

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<v Speaker 1>and high things and better things and compassion and forgiveness

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<v Speaker 1>and grace and love and peace. And other days we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We want selfish satisfaction, pleasing ourselves, our side winning, the

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<v Speaker 1>other side losing. But there's something in us that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of divides us. We want to do the nice thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but the temptation to retaliate seems overpowering. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>say the right thing, but the wrong thing is much

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<v Speaker 1>more fun. We fail. We feel shame. We live in

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<v Speaker 1>conflict in our own inner world. And how does God

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<v Speaker 1>respond to this conflicted double life? There is now no

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<v Speaker 1>condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. That when

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<v Speaker 1>we go, I don't like this and I confess it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're forgiven and empowered and invited to grow out away

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<v Speaker 1>from that divided life into something bigger. And as we

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<v Speaker 1>become less divided inside of ourselves, less shame, less guilt,

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<v Speaker 1>less fear, less anger, we become much better in belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. And that brings unity. Unity in our culture,

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<v Speaker 1>in our world, in our home, in our family. Belonging

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<v Speaker 1>brings unity. Number two, belonging invites us to perspective. Every day,

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<v Speaker 1>our world is filled with a perspective that puts the

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<v Speaker 1>pathway to happiness along the road of power, prestige, acquisition, winning, indulgence, wealth, pleasure, domination, satisfaction.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to be satisfied. We want to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to be indulged. And that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>message we receive. And it starts unrest in us. We

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<v Speaker 1>start to believe that we've got to go out and conquer.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to go out and acquire. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>spend the life of building and building and building and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get enough. And Paul says, listen, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to live with that perspective. You can understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>That mindset leads to death, not just physical death, but

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<v Speaker 1>emotional death, relational death, death in your inner world. you know,

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<v Speaker 1>psychological death. Some of us start to feel just utilitarian.

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<v Speaker 1>All I do is go to work and come home

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<v Speaker 1>and pay the bills. And so he's invited to something else,

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<v Speaker 1>a perspective that sees life as a gift, that we

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<v Speaker 1>do our best, that it's all about relationship, that we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to live in the spirit where the natural outcome

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<v Speaker 1>is love and joy and peace and patience and kindness

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<v Speaker 1>and gentleness. And what's fascinating to me is we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world that promotes the idea. Man, we want peace.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to get along. We want everybody to love

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<v Speaker 1>each other. But the means is lacking. And Paul says

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<v Speaker 1>you can live a life in which the perspective is

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<v Speaker 1>that we are to love God and love others as

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<v Speaker 1>we love ourselves. This belonging invites us to perspective. It

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<v Speaker 1>also invites us to priority. So many of us, if

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<v Speaker 1>we said, what is life about? We kind of live

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<v Speaker 1>on a hamster wheel. We grow up, we decide we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to choose this or that because we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>make a certain amount of money. If we get the breaks,

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<v Speaker 1>we can buy a house, we can get the cars,

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<v Speaker 1>we can take the vacations, we can do the things

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<v Speaker 1>that we're invited to do. And that becomes our priority.

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<v Speaker 1>So many pieces of art, literature, music are written about

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<v Speaker 1>folks who choose the priority of making it and lose

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<v Speaker 1>the priority of life and find out too late that

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about money or wealth or all that other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about relationship. It was about connecting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about savoring the moments. It was about watching our kids

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<v Speaker 1>grow up and being present for them. It was about

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<v Speaker 1>being a better spouse. It was about family. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about celebration. Priority. Jesus said it this way, seek first

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<v Speaker 1>the kingdom of God and his righteousness and all these

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<v Speaker 1>other things will be added. We're not here to build

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<v Speaker 1>our own kingdoms, not here to to build our own story.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here to seek God's will on earth as it

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<v Speaker 1>is in heaven. You don't have to believe that. But

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<v Speaker 1>what Paul is teaching and what Paul is saying to

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<v Speaker 1>these people in Rome is, listen, Rome's got a whole

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<v Speaker 1>agenda for you. They've got a whole way of living

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<v Speaker 1>for you. But when you get to the end of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not very satisfying. Look at what's going on. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got emperors assassinating one another. You've got indulgence that's beyond

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<v Speaker 1>anything we can imagine. You've got people watching TV Human

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<v Speaker 1>beings kill one another for entertainment. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>live by those priorities. There's something that is much more meaningful.

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<v Speaker 1>There is belonging. And then finally, he brings up this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Belonging invites us to adoption. Paul takes this to another level.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about what you believe. It's about belonging. That

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<v Speaker 1>the God of the universe invites you to be adopted

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<v Speaker 1>as a child. And as parents, we all know what

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<v Speaker 1>we want for our children is We want them to

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<v Speaker 1>do good. We want them to grow. We want them

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<v Speaker 1>to be mature. We want to be able to handle life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we give them some kind of love and

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<v Speaker 1>cuddling and coddling and care. But we also, if we're wise,

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<v Speaker 1>teach them to be tough. We teach them to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>There are consequences. We teach them to mature. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>have every single thing given to them. It's not good

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<v Speaker 1>for them. But we never abandon them. We never leave

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<v Speaker 1>them alone. We're always underneath. We're always watching. We're always

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<v Speaker 1>there to help. We don't want them to be in

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<v Speaker 1>despair because our children. And Paul says, you're not buying

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<v Speaker 1>into a religion. You're buying into a relationship. And because

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<v Speaker 1>you enter into this relationship, God adopts you as a child.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll say further. And you don't just think of him

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<v Speaker 1>as your heavenly father. We say into that, Abba, Father.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not given a spirit of fear, right? That phrase, Abba, Father,

0:27:41.890 --> 0:27:45.270
<v Speaker 1>means we relate intimately to God. Call him Dad. And

0:27:45.290 --> 0:27:48.490
<v Speaker 1>we're in this ongoing conversation and relationship in which God

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>loves us and lifts us and helps us because day

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:55.580
<v Speaker 1>to day we need help. We need a voice within us,

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.899
<v Speaker 1>an empowerment, a strength that helps speak peace over us,

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:04.449
<v Speaker 1>but also wisdom and guidance and understanding that helps us

0:28:04.650 --> 0:28:08.590
<v Speaker 1>in our very divided desires to choose the best and

0:28:08.630 --> 0:28:15.180
<v Speaker 1>not the worst. Belonging. Belonging. And then we look around

0:28:15.220 --> 0:28:17.139
<v Speaker 1>at each other. As we belong to God, we look

0:28:17.180 --> 0:28:18.910
<v Speaker 1>at each other and go, hey, we belong to each other.

0:28:19.850 --> 0:28:22.690
<v Speaker 1>Ever been in one of those churches where everybody calls

0:28:22.730 --> 0:28:25.210
<v Speaker 1>each other brother and sister? I grew up like that.

0:28:26.470 --> 0:28:29.450
<v Speaker 1>The sentiment of that was simply this. God is our Father,

0:28:29.470 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and we're all brothers and sisters, and so we care

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>for each other as a family. And we long for

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.140
<v Speaker 1>a community that cares like that, that's there for us

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.810
<v Speaker 1>when we go through the struggles of life. That we

0:28:40.850 --> 0:28:45.330
<v Speaker 1>don't have to do it all alone. And so we belong.

0:28:45.970 --> 0:28:48.450
<v Speaker 1>This is Paul's message to the church at Rome, to

0:28:48.470 --> 0:28:51.350
<v Speaker 1>the people that are fighting and bickering over doctrines and

0:28:51.410 --> 0:28:55.220
<v Speaker 1>beliefs and cultural things. And is I going to do

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>this kind of ritual in the church or that kind

0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.080
<v Speaker 1>of ritual in the church? He says, you're meant for

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>more than that. You're meant to belong, belong to God,

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:07.580
<v Speaker 1>belong to each other. God belongs to you. You kind

0:29:07.620 --> 0:29:11.740
<v Speaker 1>of just become a family. and so you belong. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to welcome into the studio Eric McClenahan. Welcome, Eric.

0:29:14.740 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>How are you doing? Hey, Dave. Complicated letter, this book

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.060
<v Speaker 1>of Romans, but lots of stuff in it that's worth

0:29:21.100 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very straight to the point, right? We're not

0:29:26.700 --> 0:29:31.940
<v Speaker 2>in a romantic, poetic language when we're into these books.

0:29:32.530 --> 0:29:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very direct And layered. I mean, you know, this

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:39.950
<v Speaker 1>is certainly a book that you could teach verse by verse.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.860
<v Speaker 1>by verse. There aren't very many filler verses in the

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>entire thing. And this chapter eight is one of the

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:50.730
<v Speaker 1>most famous, satisfying, deeply meaningful chapters in all of scripture.

0:29:51.270 --> 0:29:51.450
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What impressions did you get listening to our questions?

0:29:55.680 --> 0:30:00.730
<v Speaker 2>How united, what does unity mean? How united do you

0:30:00.810 --> 0:30:05.290
<v Speaker 2>see us? Does that mean like our church, our religion,

0:30:05.370 --> 0:30:09.190
<v Speaker 2>our faith, our community? What are we invited to belong

0:30:09.370 --> 0:30:11.290
<v Speaker 2>to when you talk about unity?

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.380
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it starts with as an individual, you know,

0:30:15.420 --> 0:30:18.260
<v Speaker 1>because we all are in some way divided in our

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 1>own skin. You know, there's things we like about ourselves

0:30:21.180 --> 0:30:22.790
<v Speaker 1>and things we hate about ourselves. I mean, it's what

0:30:22.850 --> 0:30:26.370
<v Speaker 1>psychological health is all about is pulling it together, becoming

0:30:26.430 --> 0:30:31.330
<v Speaker 1>a fully integrated human being so that our wants, wishes, needs,

0:30:31.550 --> 0:30:36.510
<v Speaker 1>hopes are all integrated with our actual actions and our

0:30:36.550 --> 0:30:39.790
<v Speaker 1>relational obligations and commitments, all of that stuff. So I

0:30:39.830 --> 0:30:43.660
<v Speaker 1>think it means unity within us, an invitation to be whole,

0:30:43.980 --> 0:30:46.260
<v Speaker 1>to not be condemned for what you don't do well,

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.220
<v Speaker 1>but not lose sight of where you're going and the

0:30:49.310 --> 0:30:53.090
<v Speaker 1>calling and what maturity would look like, our completeness would

0:30:53.130 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>look like. But then that spills into families. We want

0:30:57.100 --> 0:30:59.500
<v Speaker 1>our families to be unified, you know, more and more

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:02.770
<v Speaker 1>as we kind of go down this pursuit of politics

0:31:02.830 --> 0:31:06.710
<v Speaker 1>and cultural wars. That division is getting deep into our families.

0:31:07.130 --> 0:31:09.450
<v Speaker 1>And this is the alternative to go, no, we have

0:31:09.470 --> 0:31:11.969
<v Speaker 1>a higher calling. We will not all agree on everything.

0:31:12.110 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Unity is not to be homogenous, but we're all looking

0:31:15.500 --> 0:31:17.380
<v Speaker 1>up and we're heading in the same place and we

0:31:17.420 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>desire the same things. And we may not agree on

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>how to get them, but we have that. And then

0:31:22.140 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that can spill into community churches. We certainly

0:31:25.220 --> 0:31:28.930
<v Speaker 1>would hope. become models of this kind of unity where

0:31:28.970 --> 0:31:33.510
<v Speaker 1>the diversity of the congregation is celebrated, but we're all

0:31:33.690 --> 0:31:36.530
<v Speaker 1>after the same thing. And that is to be obedient

0:31:36.570 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to God's word, to belong as a family, to pursue

0:31:39.630 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>this life of maturity. And then we can go on.

0:31:42.580 --> 0:31:44.220
<v Speaker 1>We're coming up to a break, but we can pick

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.100
<v Speaker 1>that up because it goes beyond just a church. I

0:31:47.140 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>think that is the dream and the calling of what

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.620
<v Speaker 1>scripture is all about. So we'll be right back after

0:31:53.660 --> 0:31:57.790
<v Speaker 1>this break. Welcome back. You're listening to Healing Conversations on

0:31:57.890 --> 0:32:02.510
<v Speaker 1>KABC 790. You're in studio with Eric McLenahan, Dave Roberts,

0:32:02.930 --> 0:32:05.850
<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about unity. You were asking what that

0:32:05.870 --> 0:32:08.990
<v Speaker 1>looked like. Unity in the individual, unity in family, unity

0:32:09.030 --> 0:32:11.950
<v Speaker 1>in community. But the hope is that, and this is

0:32:11.970 --> 0:32:14.710
<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting because, you know, the country is kind

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.660
<v Speaker 1>of built on this idea. Let's pursue the highest good together.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, let's go after freedom, you know, freedom of

0:32:22.820 --> 0:32:27.340
<v Speaker 1>speech and freedom of the press, that all people have

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.070
<v Speaker 1>the equal opportunity to pursue happiness and life and all

0:32:30.110 --> 0:32:33.050
<v Speaker 1>those things. And we've kind of lost sight of the ideal.

0:32:33.110 --> 0:32:35.450
<v Speaker 1>And when you lose sight of that pursuit of the

0:32:35.530 --> 0:32:40.590
<v Speaker 1>highest good, then things deteriorate. And we start to argue. And,

0:32:41.010 --> 0:32:43.450
<v Speaker 1>you know, even the arguments we're having right now in

0:32:43.490 --> 0:32:47.780
<v Speaker 1>our culture over socialism, it says we believe that everybody

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>ought to have the same level of satisfaction in life.

0:32:51.420 --> 0:32:53.260
<v Speaker 1>But in order to do that, we've got to take

0:32:53.300 --> 0:32:56.510
<v Speaker 1>away the rights of certain people in order to assure

0:32:56.550 --> 0:32:59.530
<v Speaker 1>the rights of the other people. Well, the ideal is

0:32:59.570 --> 0:33:03.370
<v Speaker 1>that everybody has freedom, not just some people. Yeah. And

0:33:03.430 --> 0:33:06.410
<v Speaker 1>so it is the same concept. Let's get an ideal

0:33:06.490 --> 0:33:08.730
<v Speaker 1>high enough for us all to buy into. And then

0:33:09.230 --> 0:33:14.930
<v Speaker 1>everyone benefits from all of us pursuing those ideals. Now, clearly,

0:33:15.010 --> 0:33:17.470
<v Speaker 1>our culture hasn't figured out which ones are the ones

0:33:17.530 --> 0:33:21.890
<v Speaker 1>that bring real peace to everybody and real unity. But

0:33:21.930 --> 0:33:24.890
<v Speaker 1>the belonging is written large, so much so that Jesus says,

0:33:24.930 --> 0:33:27.540
<v Speaker 1>when you pray, pray that things on earth end up

0:33:27.580 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>being exactly as they are in heaven.

0:33:29.700 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:30.060 --> 0:33:30.660
<v Speaker 1>That's the goal.

0:33:31.100 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been thinking a lot lately. I grew

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:37.210
<v Speaker 2>up driving in Southern California and in Los Angeles.

0:33:37.870 --> 0:33:38.130
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:38.870 --> 0:33:44.910
<v Speaker 2>I've been noticing lately that I think humanity is maybe

0:33:44.930 --> 0:33:49.470
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more unified than I think. Because when

0:33:49.490 --> 0:33:52.300
<v Speaker 2>you drive on the freeway in L.A., Don't you feel

0:33:52.340 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 2>like 99% of us are just trying to get from

0:33:55.580 --> 0:33:56.980
<v Speaker 2>A to B safely? Yeah.

0:33:57.300 --> 0:33:57.940
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, I feel like when I'm driving on the freeway,

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.100
<v Speaker 2>even in traffic, everyone's pretty much doing the same thing.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:03.580
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.219
<v Speaker 2>And then there's one Yahoo who's cutting people off and

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.420
<v Speaker 2>it kind of ruins it for everybody.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.140
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I feel that way a lot in life.

0:34:12.180 --> 0:34:14.620
<v Speaker 2>Like most people are going to the grocery store and

0:34:14.660 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>dropping their kids off and going to work. And like, there's,

0:34:18.580 --> 0:34:23.420
<v Speaker 2>there's more of a unified trying to get through life

0:34:23.500 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>in a good way than I think we might realize

0:34:26.300 --> 0:34:30.300
<v Speaker 2>on a day-to-day basis, just from the amount of peace

0:34:30.420 --> 0:34:32.890
<v Speaker 2>we live in that maybe we take for granted.

0:34:33.260 --> 0:34:35.989
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think, yeah. And I, and I do think,

0:34:36.010 --> 0:34:39.609
<v Speaker 1>you know, the majority of people want good things and

0:34:39.950 --> 0:34:43.169
<v Speaker 1>are respectful of others. And that's a good example because

0:34:43.210 --> 0:34:45.129
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, if you talk to people about

0:34:45.210 --> 0:34:48.950
<v Speaker 1>traffic in Los Angeles, they'll be like, Oh, it's just terrible. Well, Actually,

0:34:48.989 --> 0:34:51.630
<v Speaker 1>people are pretty considerate and helpful to each other. And

0:34:51.660 --> 0:34:53.700
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people trying to get to where

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:56.100
<v Speaker 1>they need to go. But yeah, there's always a few

0:34:56.160 --> 0:35:01.550
<v Speaker 1>people that seem to disregard others. But it is shocking

0:35:01.650 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 1>if you look at it. in the way you're speaking it,

0:35:04.330 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>how many people are doing well? Yeah, and of course we...

0:35:08.100 --> 0:35:08.980
<v Speaker 1>The vast majority.

0:35:09.620 --> 0:35:12.399
<v Speaker 2>All those people, when you get down to it, are

0:35:12.900 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>different political bends and different religions and different... But it

0:35:16.940 --> 0:35:19.620
<v Speaker 2>feels to me like the core of being a human,

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>at least in this area, feels more unified than I

0:35:25.340 --> 0:35:28.370
<v Speaker 2>think it does on the surface.

0:35:28.710 --> 0:35:31.610
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's true. I think what's so sad is.

0:35:33.219 --> 0:35:37.380
<v Speaker 1>That we have so few leaders who speak it. And

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>you can go across the board, you know, talking heads

0:35:40.660 --> 0:35:45.549
<v Speaker 1>on the radio, talking heads on TV, celebrities, athletes. Interestingly,

0:35:45.650 --> 0:35:48.430
<v Speaker 1>athletes seem to have gotten quite a bit better lately.

0:35:49.810 --> 0:35:54.549
<v Speaker 1>But politicians, everything is about the bad people who are

0:35:54.690 --> 0:35:58.540
<v Speaker 1>ruining things instead of, hey, what happened to our ideals?

0:35:59.660 --> 0:36:02.820
<v Speaker 1>What happened to the fact that we want all people

0:36:03.660 --> 0:36:07.589
<v Speaker 1>all people to be honored and respected, believing that in

0:36:07.670 --> 0:36:09.850
<v Speaker 1>that we can build a society in which we are

0:36:09.910 --> 0:36:12.910
<v Speaker 1>thoughtful of others. We are considerate of each other. We

0:36:12.969 --> 0:36:17.009
<v Speaker 1>don't act out in anger and retaliation. And I think

0:36:17.070 --> 0:36:19.470
<v Speaker 1>it's sad. And then I think when we don't hear

0:36:19.510 --> 0:36:23.459
<v Speaker 1>that at the highest levels of being articulated, then we

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>feel very much like the world must be being defined

0:36:26.940 --> 0:36:30.460
<v Speaker 1>by what I'm being told. But it doesn't always pass

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the experience test because like you say, People are pretty nice.

0:36:34.700 --> 0:36:37.890
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you hardly ever go to a restaurant or

0:36:38.030 --> 0:36:42.210
<v Speaker 1>in public that people aren't nice. You know, excuse me. Oh,

0:36:42.590 --> 0:36:45.210
<v Speaker 1>you know, the whole world coming here for World Cup.

0:36:45.730 --> 0:36:48.430
<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the big comments was, you know,

0:36:48.810 --> 0:36:51.810
<v Speaker 1>people in the United States are very nice, very friendly.

0:36:51.850 --> 0:36:52.770
<v Speaker 1>They're very warm.

0:36:52.790 --> 0:36:52.870
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:53.430 --> 0:36:56.029
<v Speaker 1>You know, and we just seem to forget that. And

0:36:56.050 --> 0:36:59.590
<v Speaker 1>then we believe it. And we're we're online warriors here.

0:37:00.550 --> 0:37:03.470
<v Speaker 1>when in reality we would never say such things to someone,

0:37:03.710 --> 0:37:03.950
<v Speaker 1>you know?

0:37:03.969 --> 0:37:09.049
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I noticed with my daughter and the things that

0:37:09.110 --> 0:37:11.800
<v Speaker 2>she's going through, she's, you know, starting junior high.

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>She's seventh grade now.

0:37:14.420 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I notice how many times she's struggling with something and

0:37:19.140 --> 0:37:24.549
<v Speaker 2>I go, Oh, you just need a perspective shift.

0:37:24.610 --> 0:37:24.770
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:25.410 --> 0:37:28.950
<v Speaker 2>You're looking at this from one specific angle that makes

0:37:29.010 --> 0:37:31.030
<v Speaker 2>it look bad. But if you took a step back

0:37:31.550 --> 0:37:33.730
<v Speaker 2>or if you shifted your focus a little bit, you

0:37:33.770 --> 0:37:35.710
<v Speaker 2>would see this in a whole different way.

0:37:35.730 --> 0:37:36.430
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:36.710 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think we do that a lot. Yeah.

0:37:40.219 --> 0:37:42.140
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think so too. And I think that's why

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.299
<v Speaker 1>it's so important. You know, I think we mentioned this

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>last week, but where do you go for good news?

0:37:48.140 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And I think if churches are not helping people gain

0:37:51.739 --> 0:37:56.069
<v Speaker 1>some perspective and that is gracious and kind and loving and,

0:37:56.489 --> 0:37:58.590
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're not spilling out of church with an

0:37:58.670 --> 0:38:03.750
<v Speaker 1>intent to be more Christlike, then something's wrong. If they're

0:38:03.770 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>spilling out of church with more hatred, more bigotry, you know,

0:38:08.739 --> 0:38:11.060
<v Speaker 1>something's wrong. And it doesn't mean that we give up

0:38:11.100 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 1>the moral code. I mean, I have rules with my children,

0:38:14.860 --> 0:38:17.980
<v Speaker 1>have had rules with my children and my grandchildren. I'm

0:38:18.020 --> 0:38:21.330
<v Speaker 1>not mean about it. but there's just certain things you go,

0:38:21.350 --> 0:38:23.210
<v Speaker 1>if you want to be a human in the world

0:38:23.250 --> 0:38:26.810
<v Speaker 1>and you want to do okay, these are some non-negotiables. So,

0:38:27.210 --> 0:38:29.310
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I'm not, we don't have to be

0:38:29.370 --> 0:38:32.370
<v Speaker 1>unkind about it. We certainly don't have to be demeaning

0:38:32.450 --> 0:38:36.089
<v Speaker 1>about it. And so I do think, you know, what

0:38:36.190 --> 0:38:39.700
<v Speaker 1>is the source that we're speaking into people's lives that's

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>contributing to their growth and maturity, but also kindness and

0:38:43.780 --> 0:38:48.310
<v Speaker 1>gentleness and care and compassion and and change of perspective.

0:38:48.330 --> 0:38:49.270
<v Speaker 1>It's not all about me.

0:38:49.770 --> 0:38:53.590
<v Speaker 2>And I think our, our perspective can change so harshly

0:38:53.630 --> 0:38:57.310
<v Speaker 2>without us even knowing it based on what places we're

0:38:57.330 --> 0:39:01.339
<v Speaker 2>putting ourselves in and what things we're digesting. And, you know,

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>here in LA, we, we've had so many people move

0:39:05.219 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>from here to Nashville. That's like, there's like a direct,

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.819
<v Speaker 2>I just want to start a moving company that only

0:39:10.900 --> 0:39:12.649
<v Speaker 2>moves people from LA to Nashville.

0:39:12.690 --> 0:39:13.610
<v Speaker 1>I'd make a fortune.

0:39:13.630 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Um, and yeah, every single one of them, you notice it,

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>but they don't the first time they say y'all to you.

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.739
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

0:39:24.780 --> 0:39:27.530
<v Speaker 2>And like, they don't even realize that they've been doing

0:39:27.550 --> 0:39:29.310
<v Speaker 2>it and they started saying y'all now.

0:39:29.330 --> 0:39:29.870
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:30.100 --> 0:39:33.220
<v Speaker 2>But i think there's a lot of that when we're

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>living in certain situations that we don't realize how much

0:39:37.620 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 2>we're affected and how much our language is affected by

0:39:41.860 --> 0:39:44.529
<v Speaker 2>what we're consuming and the environments we're in and sometimes

0:39:44.570 --> 0:39:48.029
<v Speaker 2>you just need to remove yourself from that yeah Well,

0:39:48.090 --> 0:39:51.350
<v Speaker 2>and I think we've become a culture that has decided

0:39:51.370 --> 0:39:54.170
<v Speaker 2>that my way.

0:39:54.030 --> 0:39:56.549
<v Speaker 1>Of seeing the world is the right way. And I'm

0:39:56.570 --> 0:39:59.819
<v Speaker 1>going to go ahead and condemn everyone who doesn't see

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<v Speaker 1>it the way I see it. And because we do

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<v Speaker 1>that at such a high level, meaning, well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>everybody ought to be cared for. And these people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>caring for people that I care about. So therefore, I

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<v Speaker 1>condemn them. Well, that's an oversimplification of very complex cultural

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<v Speaker 1>issues and personal feelings. And belief structures. And what we

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<v Speaker 1>could agree on is no one should ever be mistreated.

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<v Speaker 1>No one should ever be abused or ridiculed. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we try to make things so simple.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we speak into that paper tiger. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a celebrity and I have a platform and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>obligated to speak out against blah, blah, blah. And you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of hypocrisy in that because you're a

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<v Speaker 1>part of something that classically causes all kinds of abuse

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<v Speaker 1>and issues. And so let's address the big picture that

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<v Speaker 1>we all want to have more unity. We all want

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<v Speaker 1>to be kinder. We all want to care for people.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to figure out how to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>We all want to live by some code of morality. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 1>the most angry people are the people that are like

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<v Speaker 1>the codes being violated, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we do that? Well, Paul's speaking about

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<v Speaker 1>belonging and we didn't quite get over to it, but

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<v Speaker 1>here it is. At the end of the day, we

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<v Speaker 1>all belong to something. And you don't have to believe

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<v Speaker 1>the biblical story, but what it says is you are

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<v Speaker 1>a creation of a divine creator, a child of the

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<v Speaker 1>divine creator. It doesn't matter where you were born or

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<v Speaker 1>where you came from or where your background is. You

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<v Speaker 1>have inherent worth because you are a part of this

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<v Speaker 1>divine family. And so together we value, we look up

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<v Speaker 1>to God and We belong. We're not just asked to believe,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were adopted as children to love us like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe you need to hear that, that God loves you,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you've been taught, whatever you've impression you've gotten from

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity or religion in general, that there's an angry guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's just waiting to squeeze you. The biblical message is

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<v Speaker 1>he loves you and he adopts you as a child.

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<v Speaker 1>And all you need to do is ask. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when we belong to God, we belong to each other

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<v Speaker 1>and we look out for each other and we take

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<v Speaker 1>care of the people in our immediate world. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>just love generically. We love specifically our neighbor, the people

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<v Speaker 1>down the street, our family, the people we're doing life with.

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<v Speaker 1>I pray you have a sense of belonging today and

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<v Speaker 1>that you go out today and you exercise in the

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<v Speaker 1>world a kind of grace and care and love that

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<v Speaker 1>helps people belong. God bless.