1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: I want to read you a portion of a piece 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that was seen in ev magazine, done by our next guest, 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Taylor Hawthorn. While the women of Iran fight against the regime, 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: the greatest failure of the international community is not ignorance 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: of Iranian women suffering, but the deliberate decision to look 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: away when condemning it is politically inconvenient. This is a 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: brilliant piece. And I didn't see one person nick last 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: night on the Grammys say one thing about Iran. All 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: they could talk about is f ice ice out. But 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: nobody that I saw, and not even watch a lot 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: of it, was talking about this. Let's start there with 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: the Taylor. Taylor, welcome to WLS. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, Thanks for having me on and thanks for 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: talking about this really important issue. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: Wow, what a piece you wrote. This thing is really good. 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: I wish I had more time to look through it 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: a little under the weather over the weekend. But why 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: is it that everybody, not only when it comes to women, 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: but is what Iran has gone through. Nobody wants to 20 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: talk about it. Nobody wants to talk about the literal 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: thousands of people dead, but the bravery of the women 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: that are standing up to this regime is amazing. Can 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: you take me through some of that. 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's a really important concept that we're seeing, 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: just kind of like what you talked about with the 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: Grammys last night, right, It's this concept of selective moral outrage, 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: and we're seeing that all throughout our society and several 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: different fabrics. And you know, this concept of selective moral 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: outrage is we are I mean, it's very self explanatory, 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: but as a society, we are selective about the things 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: that really bother us. Everyone is allowed to have opinions 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: on things that they care more about our others. But 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: when you are someone an American, for example, with no 34 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: ties to either Iran or Palestine or Israel or kind 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: of picked your conflict around the world, and you're only 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: mad about one of them, it is because you are 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: being selective about your biases about what you're upset about. 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: And I think that a big part of this is 39 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: because it's the media is not telling that the American 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: people or the international community that this is one of 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: these things that are greenlighted to be able to be 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: upset over, and it's actually atrocity. I don't think many 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: people really understand just how bad it is and Iran 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 2: right now? I mean the projections are up to eighty 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: thousand deaths in some areas, you know, on the lower 46 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: ends you've got close to twelve thousand. But in what 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: other conflict or what other area in the world are 48 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: you going to hear the number twelve thousand and think, oh, 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: that's not a big enough deal to talk about as 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: the Grammys for these celebrities. Where is Mark Ruffalo's button? 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: You know, that is a stunning and staggering number. And 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: you bring up such a good point because it does 53 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: all fall on the media. Right what's the big shiny thing? 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: How can what's going on in Minneapolis outpace this story? 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: And I had this conversation with my mother. She's older, 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: but my liberal sisters talk to her about world things 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: all the time, and they get it wrong over and 58 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: over again. Do you think that there's a faction of 59 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: society that are so concerned that they don't know enough 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: about Iran and the Great Satan they call America and 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: they've got this nuclear program which I'm pretty sure we decimated, 62 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: that people are just too concerned that this could lead 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: to some kind of big conflict. Because I'm pretty sure 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: that if they are MADA that Trump had put together 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: on Friday, had gone after Iran, it we would have 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: been done with this by today, should they have wanted. 67 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 2: I think there is a lot there is a smaller 68 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: portion of people that are more concerned about the United 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: States going to war with Iran, And truthfully, there is 70 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: some validity to that. You know, the Iranian proxies, which 71 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: a lot of people don't understand. There's a huge backstory here, 72 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: but Iran is one of the number fund number one 73 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: funders of terrorism throughout the world. You know, You've got Hezbola, 74 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: you have Hamas, you have the huge Hussies and Yemen. 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: You've got a lot of proxies, and a proxy is 76 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: something that carries out Iran's terror around the world. Right, 77 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: So You've got all of these proxies around the world 78 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: that are being funded from Iran to carry out these 79 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: terror attacks. And so I think there's a small portion 80 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: of people who are concerned that this could lead to 81 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: another global war on terror where we have that of 82 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: the American and NATO allies live bloss But I really 83 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: don't think that's the case here. I think that that's 84 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: a low hanging excuse. Fruit is why we don't care. 85 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: But also at what point has the United States or 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: the rest of the world said, that's not really something 87 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: that we think is that big of a deal or 88 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: that big of a problem. We are, whether people like 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: it or not, in the driver's seat on international world order, 90 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: because if it's not US, it's China or it's Iran, 91 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: and you know, they don't really share the same values 92 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: that we do here. 93 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: In the last we talk, you know, there's so many 94 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: in this country that talk about, you know, how oppressed 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: the United States is and all of these other things, 96 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: and people are always going to leave, but they seem 97 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: to stay. I want you to tell a story of 98 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: this Masha Amini. She was twenty two years old. Can 99 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: you describe to me what to happen with her and Iran? 100 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So she just didn't have her head covering on correctly. 101 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: And I want you to think about that she was 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 2: abducted on a trip with her brother because her head 103 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: covering wasn't on properly, and then she was beaten and 104 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: killed and put into intensive intensive care simply for the 105 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: fact that her head covering wasn't put on properly. And 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: I think that people need to sit with that for 107 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: a moment and understand that that is not an anomaly 108 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: for the women of Iran. Many women in Iran aren't 109 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: even Muslim. Right like the Ayatola and the IRGC has 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: inflicted radical Islamic rule on these women, but many of 111 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: these women are not even Muslim, They're Christians. They come 112 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 2: from different ethnic backgrounds, they come from different places around 113 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: the Middle East. And so she was truly killed for 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: just not having her hair covered correctly. And where are 115 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: the feminists screaming about that? Even ten years ago? They 116 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: were silent. 117 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: They just keep their mouth shut. And it's it's brutal 118 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: to think about this whole morality police. Yet here we 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: are in America letting a lot of the factions of 120 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: these people come in here and now start to see 121 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: and intervene their way in our political way. And I 122 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: don't think there's anything good that comes to that. But hey, 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, melting Pot, I guess I liked it Nick 124 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: when people used to be able to come here and 125 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: we would coalesce as Americans. And I don't know if 126 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: we necessarily see this here, but we're going to put 127 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: this out on our social media because this needs to 128 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: be seen Taylor, this is this is an amazing piece 129 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: you wrote. Where can we find out more about the 130 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: stuff you do? Taylor? 131 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: Go on Independent Women, where a group of women who 132 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: gets together and writes about issues like this. We go 133 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: on TV, we go on radio, and we try to 134 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: bring awareness to things going on not just around the world, 135 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: but domestic policy issues to give people an unbiased, you know, 136 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: unfiltered perspective. That's not what the mainstream media tells you. 137 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: You know, the women that I work with half full 138 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: time jobs doing stuff otherwise we don't get paid to 139 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: do this, right, This is work that we do because 140 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: we believe in the importance of it, and we want 141 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: women in America to really understand that you don't have 142 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: to follow what the mainstream media tells you to do. 143 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: Do not have costive dissonance. If you have something on 144 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: the media telling you this is for sure what's happening, 145 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 2: and it is not evidence based and it is not 146 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: fact based, please look at Independent Women, look at a 147 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: different outlet, look at a different resource. Before you start 148 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: voting on things that have true consequential, you know, repercussions 149 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: throughout this country. You need to be an educated voter. 150 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: And I'm really proud to be a woman in the 151 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: United States. There is no greater place on this earth 152 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: for women in freedom throughout the throughout the world. But 153 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: I think we need to steward that properly, and the 154 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: women of America have a responsibility to look into these 155 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: things fairly and judiciously. 156 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: She is a visiting fellow with the Independent Women's Center 157 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 1: for American Safety and Security. Taylor Hathorne Taylor, our table 158 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: sometimes here is a little bit messy, but you have 159 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: a seat at it whenever you want. Thank you and 160 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: keep us speaking your mind and if you need us, 161 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: we're here for you. 162 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, y'all. 163 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Have a good one, you too, Yeah, i'd say what 164 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: It's a hard conversation to have, right, It's deep. You 165 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: got to learn about it. And I will tell you that. 166 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: We will put this on our social media to read 167 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: this because she is brilliant.