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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, there is no such thing

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Speaker 3: Papa and Silver.

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Speaker 4: Strike offering swinging. There's a high ride deep down the

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Speaker 5: And how are yours, Pavanta?

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Speaker 4: That one hit the top of the five foot high

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Speaker 5: It is off the wall.

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Speaker 4: The camera is played by Tatis runs will score. Here

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Speaker 4: Swinging the grand ball in the right field base head

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Speaker 4: It's a two run single for Elliot Romeos. Here is

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Speaker 5: Liten, that brings it into it.

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Speaker 4: The Giants have one for the second night in a

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Speaker 5: How about that one more? And dare we call it

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Speaker 2: We got a short show for you, and we're rotten

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Speaker 2: high the momentum of sixteen hits, nine runs, Willie and

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Speaker 2: We a great show for you today. It's a shay

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Speaker 2: SF Standard.

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Speaker 5: Who is down in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Get a first look at Adrian Hauser, Nick Pivetta looking to.

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Speaker 5: Bounce back off of a shaky opening day. It is

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Speaker 5: What's up? I got what's up?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 5: It's good to be here.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely little short host in a short show today, so

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Speaker 7: I'm all excited. And then just a message for everybody.

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Speaker 7: You need to get off the roller coaster, like everybody

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Speaker 7: out there, you guys, everybody in the media that you

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Speaker 7: lose three games to a really good team. The Yankees

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Speaker 7: have an six to one era as a team. Max

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Speaker 7: Sea And for the Yankees, it's not who you play, it's.

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Speaker 5: When you play them.

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Speaker 7: Everybody getting ready to jump off the cliff after three

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Speaker 7: games in one hundred and sixty two game schedule, and

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Speaker 7: now you get away from home, maybe some pressure, you

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Speaker 7: roller coaster. But that's no way to go about six

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Speaker 5: I mean, hey, it's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: And we came in on Monday and I think we

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Speaker 2: But I think that we got to weigh both factors, right,

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Speaker 2: Like did three games define the season?

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Speaker 5: No, of course not.

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Speaker 2: It's five games defining the season now that they won

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Speaker 5: No, You've got six months of baseball.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the one thing I have stayed

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Speaker 5: Bullpen thus far has been the strength of the team.

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Speaker 2: It's like, no matter what kind of roster construction we have,

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Speaker 2: And just when it looked like it could have gotten

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Speaker 7: that's what a veteran does. That's what an ace does.

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Speaker 7: How do you perform when things aren't going your way,

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Speaker 7: His first outing against a Yankee wasn't great. He had

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Speaker 7: it's fun to watch Logan go seven and seven, shutout

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Speaker 2: I think that's really well said, And obviously, being someone

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Speaker 5: And so I know.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of thoughts that we have, and I

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Speaker 2: first first ten minutes of a two hour.

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Speaker 5: Ten minute show. I will trust me.

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Speaker 2: But what I liked about that Web performance was not

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Speaker 2: It was a good chance to get an early look

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Speaker 5: The bullpen was warming up.

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Speaker 2: He had to be ready for a situation to where

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Speaker 2: to use Loganwarb's term from Opening night where it could

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Speaker 2: it's calm down, this is your race. We trust him.

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Speaker 2: We're going to leave him in a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: Tony gave him that trust, and Web gave him the

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Speaker 7: He knows the person he's dealing with, not the player, right,

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Speaker 7: And obviously he knows Logan Web and he's got to

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Speaker 7: you give those guys the benefit of the doubt because

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Speaker 7: also know the resume, and so like you show confidence

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Speaker 2: or getting into the postseason, or staying in this job

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Speaker 2: for ten years, but as far as is what he

439
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Speaker 2: can do for himself, particularly within this clubhouse, if he

440
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Speaker 2: is genuine and just has some upfront communication, then the

441
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Speaker 2: fact that he has a different style than Bob Melvin,

442
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Speaker 2: or that he wears his emotions on his sleep, that's

443
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Speaker 2: not really going to matter. No one likes a phony.

444
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 2: If you act like a phony, you can smell a phony.

445
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Speaker 2: Not hard to detect. That's where he would get into trouble.

446
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Speaker 2: So I'm with you on that.

447
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's where Gabe got in trouble. I

448
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,280
Speaker 7: don't know that there was a lot of authenticity at

449
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Speaker 7: times with him that it was more about sending a

450
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Speaker 7: message or look how smart I am. Where players are

451
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Speaker 7: smarter than ever right now they can see through anything.

452
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Speaker 5: In the industry has changed.

453
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Speaker 7: Where back in the day, it was what we could

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Speaker 7: do for our managers, like whether it was Dusty Baker

455
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Speaker 7: my case or Felipe alou is what I needed to

456
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Speaker 7: do to impress my manager. In the industry has changed

457
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Speaker 7: where it's what can the manager do for me? How

458
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Speaker 7: can he increase my value in the industry? How can

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Speaker 7: he increase my value as a major league player? How

460
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Speaker 7: can he make me better? So it's more of the

461
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Speaker 7: manager catering to the players needs now where it used

462
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Speaker 7: to be the opposite.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's tease our contest for the week, because

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Speaker 2: even on a short show, we're.

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Speaker 5: Still giving away the tickets.

466
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Speaker 2: You got Weezer, the Shins and silversun pickups September ninth

467
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Speaker 2: at Chase Center. All you gotta do tune in between

468
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Speaker 2: now and the end of the show and when I

469
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Speaker 2: tell you at some point later just dial up four

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Speaker 2: one five eight nine six k NBR four one five

471
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Speaker 2: eight ninety six five six two seven and you will win.

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Speaker 2: It has furnished my live nation. Find the official rules

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Speaker 2: at the sports leader dot com. Yes, Silvers Pickups was

474
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Speaker 2: an interesting one. I was asking I f Petering the break.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you're a Weezer or the Shins or

476
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Speaker 2: Silversum Pickups fan, and you're like, yeah, silver some Pickups

477
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Speaker 2: got that one song right, And I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think you're thinking of a lazy eye.

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Speaker 5: That's a good one. That's a good one. Good one.

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Speaker 7: Island and the Sun by Weezer Buddy Holly say it

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Speaker 7: Ain't so this of course song.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then they got that newer album too, like they

484
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Speaker 2: all my favorite songs are slow and sad and I

485
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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 5: We weeze Are is always a funny one.

487
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Speaker 7: I went out with What's the head editing even the

488
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Speaker 7: lead singer for Weezer when I was a Dodger.

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Speaker 5: He didn't say two words all night.

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Speaker 7: Oh uh Rivers Cuomo. It was like going out with

491
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Speaker 7: the tech nerd. He didn't say two words all night.

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Speaker 7: He just sat in the corner, had a he had

493
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Speaker 7: like a puffer jacket, sleeveless puffer jacket on and just

494
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Speaker 7: a dork.

495
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Speaker 5: But it's a little dork, you know.

496
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Speaker 2: When we're talking about conspiracy theories with a lot of

497
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Speaker 2: pranks and foolery going on today, my least favorite conspiracy

498
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Speaker 2: theory ever is that Kurt Cobain of the singer of Nirvana,

499
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Speaker 2: didn't actually die. He just resurfaced as Rivers Cuomo from Weezer,

500
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, you can't even sell me out.

501
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: Like there's some conspiracy theories out there where it's like,

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you for sure. That's a no, that's

503
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Speaker 2: the least believable one I've ever heard in my entire life.

504
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Speaker 2: Go listen to a Little in Bloom and then go

505
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Speaker 2: listen to Buddy Holly and be like, yeah, it's definitely

506
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Speaker 2: the same guy, same type of music, same personality, all

507
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Speaker 2: of the above. So eight O, A, K and B are.

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Speaker 2: How are we feeling about the Giants lineup? Do you

509
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Speaker 2: feel like it's in early April fools? Do you feel

510
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Speaker 2: like they're really finding something?

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Speaker 5: You know?

512
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little bit of both in the sense

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Speaker 2: of you look at the Yankees and where they're pitching. Well,

514
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Speaker 2: remind me Max friedstats again, hasn't allowed a single Urn

515
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Speaker 2: run to this point, thirteen and then thirteen and the

516
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Speaker 2: third and he's going against Seattle and it's not like

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Speaker 2: they don't have hitters.

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Speaker 7: Right, Schlitler goes today for the Yankees and he's got

519
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Speaker 7: better stuff than free.

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Speaker 5: Schlittler is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then Will Warren, I mean for being

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Speaker 2: a third guy, and not even a third guy because

523
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Speaker 2: they're gonna get call back'll be a fourth guy.

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Speaker 7: But still I mean, and not to make excuse, it's

525
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 7: still the big leagues, and you got to fight these

526
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Speaker 7: guys as a hitter, and you got to battle and

527
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Speaker 7: scrap and claw and find a way and do the

528
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Speaker 7: little things to beat the A listers if you're going

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Speaker 7: to play in October or you want to play in October.

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Speaker 7: So you can't just totally dismiss it a series. But

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Speaker 7: like the overreact to me by everybody, every by my friends,

532
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Speaker 7: by my family, by you guys, by the by the

533
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Speaker 7: print media, it's like, okay, let's breathe a little bit.

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Speaker 7: This is this is a six month campaign. If you

535
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Speaker 7: go zero and three in football, freak.

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Speaker 5: The f out right.

537
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Speaker 7: If it's the Niners and they start oh and three, okay,

538
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Speaker 7: I'll be one of them.

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Speaker 5: But it's baseball. There's one hundred and sixty two games.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we're some of the reaction was, and

541
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Speaker 2: we can get into this coming back to is it

542
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Speaker 2: wasn't just that they got swept by the Yankees. It

543
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Speaker 2: was the fact that there were similar patterns to when

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Speaker 2: we've seen the Giants at their worst, particularly offensively.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of how it looked.

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Speaker 2: It didn't matter what kind of start you got were

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Speaker 2: Robbie Ray was really good for the most part. Yeah,

548
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Speaker 2: he gave up a home run on a mistake, but

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Speaker 2: Robbie Ray was awesome on Friday. If your team gets

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Speaker 2: one hit, that's not gonna matter whatsoever. But all of

551
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Speaker 2: a sudden, when the lineup wakes up like that. Logan

552
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Speaker 2: Web was far from perfect last night, his lineup picked

553
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Speaker 2: him up. Like the offense and the approach and everything.

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Speaker 2: I think it was the how of the way the

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Speaker 2: Giants were losing and just looking so dominantly overmatched. Yes,

556
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Speaker 2: we can credit the Yankees and understand that they've got

557
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Speaker 2: great pitching, but back to your point. It is the

558
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Speaker 2: big leagues in you can't have four combined hits in

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Speaker 2: the first two.

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Speaker 5: Days, you know.

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Speaker 7: I talked to some Nationals players, and I am sorry

562
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Speaker 7: for referencing this right now, but when they won the

563
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Speaker 7: World Series in twenty nineteen, they run all road games, right,

564
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Speaker 7: They didn't win one game at home.

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Speaker 5: Same with Houston, right.

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Speaker 7: And I talked to Ryan Zimmerman about this, and this

567
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Speaker 7: may have applied to the Giants or not. I haven't

568
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Speaker 7: talked to the guys, but when you play a home

569
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Speaker 7: playoff game, you want to blow the roof off. You

570
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Speaker 7: want the fans to just lose their minds, go crazy,

571
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Speaker 7: so you press. As a player, you want that to happen.

572
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Speaker 7: And there's nothing worse than awkward silence by forty thousand

573
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Speaker 7: people at home, and then you start to press. And

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Speaker 7: I don't know if these guys love Tony Vitello so

575
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Speaker 7: much that they were trying that, plus to get him

576
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Speaker 7: his first win so hard, plus a pretty good team

577
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Speaker 7: that they played, I don't know. These are just theories.

578
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 7: So as a player, you want to hear the home crowd.

579
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Speaker 7: You feed off that. It's like being a rock and

580
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 7: roll musician at a concert. You want to like blow

581
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 7: the roof off the place. You want your fans to

582
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Speaker 7: be entertained. You want to feel that as a player,

583
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Speaker 7: and sometimes you try too hard for that, and that

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Speaker 7: might have happened.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna get a lot more information when they

587
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Speaker 2: do have to face two really good teams coming back home.

588
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Speaker 5: They got a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of a road trip, got a little bit

590
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Speaker 2: of reprieve. Tony Botello got his win, You got your

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Speaker 2: first home run. Like a lot of boxes were checked

592
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Speaker 2: here on this road trip so far in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: Now you gotta go deal with the Mets for four

594
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Speaker 2: and the Phillies for three. You're gonna face Christopher Sanchez. Man,

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Speaker 2: that was a guy they could not hit the ball

596
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Speaker 2: against last year with the lefty in that lethal change upsone.

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Speaker 7: Dude, if they could shut out today, you guys are

598
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Speaker 7: gonna freak out tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: I guarantee you.

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Speaker 7: If they lose two or nothing today, it's gonna be like,

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Speaker 7: what's wrong with the offense?

602
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Speaker 5: Back to the same old stuff. Yeah, here we go again.

603
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Speaker 5: Tony fi Tello should be fired after six games.

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Speaker 8: Eight oh eight.

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Speaker 2: K and B are Since it's April first and it's

606
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Speaker 2: a nice little Wednesday. What is a time you have

607
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: felt fooled in sports or like a fool as a fan,

608
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Speaker 2: as a spectator. Yeah, we already got the Arson Judge

609
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Speaker 2: and Carlos Korea coming in on the text line that

610
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Speaker 2: was to be sure four oh eight. I was fooled

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Speaker 2: into thinking the Giants bare playoff team last season, and

612
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Speaker 2: I'm fooled into it again. Well, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 2: At least in this case, they're not starting twelve and

614
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Speaker 2: four right. We're not gonna talk ourselves into like an

615
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: overinflated record right away.

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Speaker 5: They started zeroing three.

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Speaker 2: So long, long, long, long, long way to go, whether

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Speaker 2: it happens or not, welcome back to this discussion and

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Speaker 2: play some more sound from Tony Vaitelo.

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Speaker 5: Last night, It is Papa and Silver with FP on

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Speaker 2: out with us. We'll get our Shae Hay Wednesday, before

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Speaker 2: we send you over to pregame day Baseball today. One

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Speaker 2: ten first pitch, Adrian Hauser going up against Nick Pavetta

630
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Speaker 2: and the Giants looking for a sweep after being on

631
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Speaker 2: the short end of that in the opening series against

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Speaker 2: the Yankees at home. Lineup is out and not a

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Speaker 2: lot of changes other than the starting pitcher Willie a

634
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Speaker 2: Damas leading off once again at short Rafael Devers will

635
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Speaker 2: be hitting second as the DH Elliott Ramos three, Luisa

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Speaker 2: Ris four, Matt Chapman five, Jung hou Lee six, Harrison

637
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Speaker 2: Vaders seven, Patrick Bailey eight, and Casey Schmidt, who continues

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Speaker 2: to play first base ninth. Not implying whatsoever that Rafael

639
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Speaker 2: Devers is healthy enough to be playing first base, but

640
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Speaker 2: perhaps a good sign the way he was sprinting that

641
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Speaker 2: went out in the infield to get that single last night.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, hopefully that didn't make the hamstring worse.

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00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: Look at Rafael's everes having a little bit of wheels, dude.

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Speaker 7: It was a twenty seven point eight sprit speed and

645
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 7: he averages twenty five.

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00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: I mean, you smell, you smell hit.

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Speaker 7: But I thought even more impressive was going first to

648
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 7: third like he was getting it coming around second base.

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00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 7: I didn't know he had those gears, So, you know,

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00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 7: I think a guy that plays every day picks his

651
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 7: spots like he does. But I just saw this note

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Speaker 7: from Alex Pavlovic from NBC Sports Bay Area. This is

653
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Speaker 7: the first time since nineteen ninety five the Giants have

654
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Speaker 7: had the same fielders for six straight games.

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Speaker 2: And I love how somebody replied and was like, will

656
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Speaker 2: anybody ever get a day off? And he's like, well,

657
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: they had a day off Thursday and Sunday. It's a

658
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: really weird start to the schedule.

659
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 5: So there you go.

660
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 7: It isn't And I said this this winner because people

661
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 7: were like, everybody gets infatuated with the lineup, and I said,

662
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 7: I want to arise down in the lineup because how

663
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 7: many times last year do we see a run around

664
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: third less than two outs in a strikeout, And I

665
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 7: get a guy that can put the ball in play,

666
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 7: Not that he's going to drive in one hundred, but

667
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 7: you'll have some consistency in that spot. It's going to

668
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 7: have ideally traffic on the basis when he comes up.

669
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: Well, Walter, you know what Papa lects to say.

670
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: They couldn't make a proper out and we had productive

671
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: outs last night. Arise was the last one to get

672
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: a hit in the lineup, but I wasn't really so

673
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: worried about that stat because he also got the sack

674
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: fly to drive in yet another run.

675
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: So I'm with you on that front. And I'll be honest, Like.

676
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: I talked to Susan Selusser yesterday and we had her

677
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: on the show, and I was like, so, what's up

678
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: with Willie Namas kind of routinely being a slow starter?

679
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: Is this concerning?

680
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: And then also the fact that he was batting lead off,

681
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, that's interesting. I'm curious. Wasn't exactly

682
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: sure where we were going with it. Hey, after watching

683
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 2: the last two nights and particularly the way he got

684
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: the leadoff Homer, I'll shut up on that front.

685
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 7: Well, I mean I asked him in spring training he

686
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 7: was leading off a lot, and I go, do you

687
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 7: like leading off?

688
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 5: And He's like, no, I like hitting forth, I like

689
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: the drive in runs. Do you like leading off?

690
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 7: Last night home run four hits, four for five, Arise

691
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 7: turned a sweet double play quick with the hands something

692
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 7: on it.

693
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 5: They challenged it, they overturned it. It was a double play.

694
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 7: He's played a great second base so far, so all

695
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 7: the worries about Luisa ries at second base, I think

696
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 7: I've kind of quieted down after just five games.

697
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: So not that anybody cares about anyone's fantasy team or

698
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: gambling or pools. But the one quick note I will

699
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: share as it relates to yesterday, is we have this

700
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: thing called the dongpool in the office where it's all

701
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: about who's gonna hit the first home run for the Giants,

702
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: and you do a draft and it's a randomized order

703
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: every day. I had the second pick yesterday, Devers was

704
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: taken first. Shout out to Mike Hohler for giving me

705
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: that one, and Walter's like, who do you want to take?

706
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, ah, I kind of want to

707
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: take Ramos, but I could sort of foresee if I

708
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: did that with Adamis leading off, you just hit a

709
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: lead off homer and it would completely burn me. So

710
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: me forecasting my own potential disaster led me into picking

711
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: a Domis and it all worked out in the end.

712
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: Nice.

713
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 7: We used to have a dong pool in the clubhouse,

714
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 7: but I can't talk about that on the radio.

715
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 5: Different different dongpool.

716
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: Eight O eight k NBR seven oh seven on the

717
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: Golden State Loverage Showroom. Text line goes, FP, I've got

718
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: a question for you. Since you've hit at Oracle Park,

719
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: did you like the hitters backdrop? The Yankees' pitching was

720
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: nasty one hundred percent, but curious if maybe that backdrop

721
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: plus the different start times really messed with the Giants hit.

722
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 7: Yeah.

723
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: I mean Dave and I.

724
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 7: Dave Fleming and I were doing the game in Sacramento,

725
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 7: the Rivercats Giants game on the Sports Leader, and I

726
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 7: asked Dave on the air. He said, does a four

727
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 7: o'clock start? Are there gonna be shadows? So there were

728
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 7: shadows in those games, but the Yankees it didn't bother them, right,

729
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 7: It's hard to go there, but as a hitter, when

730
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 7: it's light in the back and then shadows on the mound,

731
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 7: it's hard to see the seams on the baseball, and

732
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 7: you train your whole life to see rotation out of

733
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 7: the hand, and the baseball's kind of gray and you

734
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 7: can't pick up the bright red seams like you can

735
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 7: at night. I used to like night better than day.

736
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 7: Sometimes the glare in the day is so bright that

737
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 7: you have trouble picking up the seams. So you see,

738
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 7: off speed is tough in shadows and tough if the

739
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 7: glare is real bright on the baseball.

740
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: Let's hear from Tony Vtello because we've been focused on

741
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: Logan Web and what he was able to do last night.

742
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: And Tony Vitello used the word guts a lot in

743
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: this answer. We really need that JD drop where he

744
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: would say gutless after a brutal warriors showing on a dubzot,

745
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: but a lot of guts from Logan Web and what

746
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: you could argue at times was a rather ugly performance

747
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: by his standards of being a little bit off with

748
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: his command.

749
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 5: He gave up the three runs.

750
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: You're thinking, all of a sudden, the Giants, Wait a minute,

751
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: they had a three to nothing lead and the bases

752
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: loaded couldn't add on to it. And then you're thinking

753
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: momentarily like, ah, is this is going to be one

754
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: that got away when you had your ace on the mound. Instead,

755
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: it was the lineup that picked him up. And Tony

756
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Viitzelo loved what he saw from his workhorse and his ace.

757
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to.

758
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 8: Say, you know, excited to see a competitor how does

759
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 8: he answer after it doesn't go well and there's no

760
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 8: way you know the script, but you would anticipate or

761
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 8: you would expect it to go better than it did

762
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 8: or go well. Kind of a punchback deal. But the storyline,

763
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 8: it's not easy for it to just be well, I'm

764
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 8: going to come out and dominate because I want to

765
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 8: do better than I did last time out, and for

766
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 8: it to go the way that it did, I just

767
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 8: think it showed his guts. Like my answer to the

768
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 8: question or what I was talking about to Logan and

769
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 8: the other coaches is just that'll be one of my

770
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 8: favorite outings of the year, even though you could take

771
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 8: a step back and say it was one of the

772
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 8: uglier ones too at times. It just showed a lot

773
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 8: of guts and I think it did help. He had

774
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 8: a little bit of a breather in between the fourth

775
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 8: and going out in the fifth, but it was almost

776
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 8: kind of like he got pissed and he just started

777
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 8: getting in the fight instead of early on. I may

778
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 8: be wrong, but from my perspective, it looked like he

779
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 8: was fighting himself a little bit when the game's already

780
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 8: presenting enough of a fight, and you know the hitters,

781
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 8: especially if the Padres lineup is presenting enough of fight,

782
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 8: So now you're picking a third fight with yourself, is

783
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 8: what it appeared to be. And it looked like he

784
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 8: kind of just dug down, got pissed, showed his guts

785
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 8: and and kind of got in the one true fight

786
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 8: that he needed to and it was. It was a

787
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 8: pre damn good two innings and overall it just made

788
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 8: for a great outing in one. Again, everybody would like

789
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 8: to see a no hitter in a shoutout. I'll like

790
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 8: that one for the rest of the year.

791
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't heard that quote. That's exactly what

792
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: I said in the opening segment, right of guts and

793
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: a lot of fight.

794
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I said. It's one of my favorite low Web starts.

795
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: I've seen it a long time because anybody can go

796
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 7: out there. Sorry, my phone's on. That's a rookie mistake.

797
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 7: Anybody go out there when you have your A stuff?

798
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 7: What do you do when you have your beer c stuff?

799
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 4: Like?

800
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 7: What are you made of? What is the makeup? What

801
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 7: is the person behind the player?

802
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't know who's calling you, but I feel like

803
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: we got to like answer it and just put him

804
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: on right now. Like, no, An eight came beyond, just like,

805
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: if it's potential spam, it's spam, it's US. If it's

806
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: a potential spam, it's just like, oh cool, grab back.

807
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: And then it's like this is about your United Healthcare

808
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: and you're like, ah, okay, fine, yeah, I'll let that

809
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: one go. So yeah, I mean look for Logan Web

810
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: to have that kind of performance. I think that it's

811
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: important to be able to stack wins. And I forget

812
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: exactly what the stat was. It was in the notes

813
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: and I'll dig through my inbox in just a moment

814
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: where I had it, but essentially like you got to

815
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: just be able to take the dub sometimes if your

816
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Web where yeah, you had a rough inning and it

817
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: was looking like you weren't going to be able to

818
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: go as deep into the game as you went.

819
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 5: With the six and the quality start.

820
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that he did that and the fact

821
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: he battled back showed exactly why he's an ACE. At

822
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the same time, we can point to so many games

823
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: during Logan's career and especially over the last couple of

824
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: years where it's close to a five hundred record that

825
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: the team has on the days that he starts and

826
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: he's obviously a much better pitcher than for what that shows.

827
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: So to have a moment where the lineup can pick

828
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: you up on a night like that, Yeah, it's great

829
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: for Logan Webb to show the veteran experience and as

830
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Tony Vaitello sort of said, battle himself in that regard.

831
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 2: But also it helps when the team is like, hey,

832
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: you had your inning, we're going to extend this lead

833
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: back up, go out there for the sixth and don't

834
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: even sweat it.

835
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you were talking about Land and Roup if

836
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 7: something like that happened with him. But he's got a

837
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 7: little edge to him too, like a lot of so

838
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 7: like he's a guy that's developing right in front of

839
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 7: our eyes as a legit number three guy, but like

840
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 7: we see him and he's got this calm demeanor, but

841
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 7: he can be a jerk out there for lack of

842
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 7: a better word, too. And he can also turn the

843
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 7: volume up to but to see his pitch arsenal now

844
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 7: with a cutter that he's using more in the change up.

845
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 7: And the curveball has always been there. When he first

846
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 7: became a Giant, it was fastball, curveball. So as a hitter,

847
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 7: it was like a fifty f fifty guess flip a coin.

848
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 7: Am I getting the curveball? And once you've shown it

849
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 7: to me and I see the shape of it and

850
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 7: where it starts and where it ends, I got a pretty.

851
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 5: Good idea about how to hit it.

852
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 7: Because a curveball generally pops out of a guy's hand high,

853
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 7: so you see it out of his hand high, so

854
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 7: you recognize it. Early fastball comes out of his hand

855
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 7: like lower, so you can see the fastball. But now

856
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 7: that he's added all these other pitches and the demeter

857
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 7: on the mound and the makeup, it's turned out to

858
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 7: a pretty good recipe.

859
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

860
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: And on the roof front, like, there's nothing about landed

861
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: roops intangibles that would have made me worried in the

862
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: start like that. I think it's more just like with

863
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: a young pitcher, you don't really know and so they

864
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: have to be battle tested. Like Hayden bird Song at

865
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: the beginning of last year when he made the roster

866
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: because he had such a great spring, but there was

867
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: such a demand at the starting rotation that they put

868
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: him in those bullpen situations where he'd come in twice

869
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: a week, do the three innings start a clean inning,

870
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: and he looked unflappable out there at a reliever, and

871
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: then it got to a point where that start against

872
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: the Braves happened, and once he kind of lost it,

873
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: he never really was able to get it back. And

874
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: now he's going to have this Tommy John surgery and

875
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: have a journey back to where we all know the

876
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: ability and what someone like that is capable of. You

877
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 2: hope that he could be a mainstay in the rotation

878
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: if he's healthy and he gets it, But young pitchers

879
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: kind of have to go through some of those trials

880
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: and tribulations, and that's where in a game like last night,

881
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: you're thankful that you have someone like Logan Web who

882
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: can figure it out, whereas sure could Land and Roup

883
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: have done it based on his demeanor and mentality, absolutely,

884
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: but you're always a little bit more worried about it

885
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: with a young pitcher, especially one that hasn't gone through

886
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: the full one point sixty two, when hasn't had certain

887
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: experiences that some of these other guys have.

888
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 7: To the mental side at the highest level is what

889
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 7: separates bad from good, good from great. Early in my career,

890
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 7: if I made an er, I'm making two if I

891
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 7: went over two with a couple of strikeouts, you could

892
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 7: put the over four on the board before my last

893
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 7: two at bats. But as you grow as a player,

894
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 7: and as you learn ways mentally, not physically, mostly mentally,

895
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 7: and how to adjust and how to take one app

896
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 7: out at a time, one pitch at a time, to

897
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 7: concentrate after you make an error, to flush things. Mine

898
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 7: was always five to point in the ballpark and take

899
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 7: your hat off. So I would find, to say, a

900
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 7: palm tree in Dodger Stadium, and that was my focal point.

901
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 7: If I made an air, I'd look at that palm tree,

902
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 7: take my hat off, that air would go out of me,

903
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 7: and then I'd put my hat back on to be

904
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 7: a new player. And then as a hitter, if I

905
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 7: had a bad at bat, my middle button on my

906
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 7: jersey was the autopilot button, and I would press the

907
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 7: autopilot button on my jersey to me and just be

908
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 7: an athlete. Don't overthink it. Just go up there, seaball,

909
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 7: hit ball. Don't worry about what has happened before. The

910
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 7: only thing you can control is the now and be

911
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 7: in the present. But as a young player, in Hayden

912
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 7: Bird songs as an example, like you might not have.

913
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 5: That toolkit yet.

914
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 7: That toolkit is based on successes, it's based on failsers,

915
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 7: It's based on failing and then succeeding after your failing.

916
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 7: But when I was twenty four in double A, if

917
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 7: I went over for two, it was over four. If

918
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 7: I made an air, it might be three errors. Because

919
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 7: now I'm in my own head, so I had to

920
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 7: learn from the mental side of the game and how

921
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 7: to process and how to breathe and how to flush things.

922
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: It is crazy as you're saying all that, with the

923
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: different tools you had, and just being able to recall

924
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: it so quickly takes me right back to what you

925
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: said at the beginning. Baseball players and how routine oriented

926
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: they are. I mean, it is a lot of repetition,

927
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: where it probably more so than a lot of other sports.

928
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there isn't routine in habit and

929
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: obviously crazy hard work at any other level, but in baseball,

930
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: with how often you're playing over the course of a

931
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: half a year, then yeah, you kind of have to

932
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: force yourself into habits to not think so much, because

933
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: it's got to be mentally draining to be out there

934
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: all the time.

935
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 7: But routine is big, and you have to stick to

936
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 7: your routine. You can't try a new routine every time

937
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 7: you go over ten. Like your routine is your routine.

938
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 7: In my first game on the road was against the

939
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 7: Astros and the Astrodome, and I was in the dugout

940
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 7: early and I was starting, and I watched Craig Bigio

941
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 7: go out and run his sprints at six forty two,

942
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 7: and I will he's number seven, I'm number seven, and

943
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 7: he's one of my favorite players. It's good enough for

944
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 7: him for a seven o'clock game. I went out and

945
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 7: ran my sprints at six forty two. So my whole

946
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 7: career and a seven o'clock game, I would be in

947
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 7: the dugout about six thirty and I would sit there

948
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 7: for four minutes and watch the clock of the ballpark,

949
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 7: and when it hit forty two, I went out ran

950
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 7: my sprints.

951
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 5: Damn.

952
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 7: So it's not superstition, it's routine. And when there's so

953
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 7: much in baseball, more than any other sport that's uncontrollable,

954
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 7: Like you can't control the ball once it hits your bat,

955
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 7: you can't steer it, you can't control the ball once

956
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 7: it leaves your hand and if he's going to hit

957
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 7: it or not. There's so much uncontrollable things that happen

958
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 7: in baseball, So you control what you can control in

959
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 7: routines part of what you can control.

960
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: All right, So here's my question as we continue in

961
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: the show, how are we feeling in general about the Giants?

962
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: Because if you were someone that felt like you had

963
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: a very strong reaction to the first three, what's your

964
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: reaction level now? And if you're someone who thought it's

965
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: only been three games, how much stock are you putting

966
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: in these last two? Herman Marquez obviously a picture that

967
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: the Giants took advantage of, and today it's gonna be

968
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: a different kind of challenge where good teams typically don't

969
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: get swept at home. We'll find out what the padres

970
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: are with Nick Paveta on the mound. It's Papa and

971
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: Silver with FP on these sports Later.

972
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,480
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Speaker 2: It's Papa in Silver, FP Santangelo hanging out with me,

977
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Speaker 2: and we've got about an hour fifteen to go before

978
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: we take you over to pregame.

979
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: What about the weather's like down in San Diego.

980
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: We talked to Maria Guardado on Monday, said it was

981
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: a little overcast coming in. It's been a roller coaster here,

982
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: kind of like the Giant season. We had all these

983
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 2: warm days in San Francisco and certainly in the Outer

984
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: Bay area. Now today I'm looking out the window in

985
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: Daily City. We got this like kind of rain, but

986
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: really just looks like a miststorm of water spraying all

987
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: around us with the construction going on out the windows.

988
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: So everybody stay dry, stay safe out there, and we'll

989
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: see how it is in San Diego. Seventy one and

990
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: sunny at game time. Love that, Love that, especially with

991
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: the way the Giants are swinging the bats because.

992
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 7: It rained during the Dodgers game last night. Show Hey pitching, Yeah,

993
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 7: and that looked weird. When it rains at Dodger Stadium,

994
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 7: that looked weird. That never does not look weird.

995
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: So, by the way, he's unfortunately had a phenomenal start

996
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: to the season as well, So whooped to do big

997
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: surprise on that.

998
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 7: But yeah, he's gonna be a good player someday. Yeah,

999
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 7: and the color right now.

1000
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: He's hey, well does he pass the eye test to

1001
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: show Hey, Tony passed the eye test for you? Uh

1002
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: eight O eight canb are is our number to join

1003
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: the conversation. So you know, I think I'm trying to

1004
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: compartmentalize it all in like, yeah, five games not a

1005
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: crazy sample size, but I'm trying to focus more so

1006
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 2: than the wins and the losses or even an individual

1007
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: stats are just what we've seen. And just looking at

1008
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: the eye test, I thought Tony Vattello did a great

1009
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: job just using his eyes last night in assessing what

1010
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: to do on the Logan web front. I think he's

1011
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: done a great job with the patients of trotting out

1012
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: the same lineup Wednesday to Friday and then saying, okay,

1013
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: when you have four combined hits, we got to move

1014
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: things around, and he tinkered and now he's seeing something

1015
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: that works, so we're gonna go and get the same thing.

1016
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: Like we're just taking in information as it comes. So

1017
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: for all the people that have said, like you've been

1018
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: on the crazy roller coaster, it was all hell breaking

1019
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: loose on.

1020
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 5: Monday and now it's they're great.

1021
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no, I didn't think it was all

1022
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: hell breaking loose in the sense of oh and three,

1023
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: And I don't think that all is necessarily fixed now.

1024
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: But the style of baseball that I am watching and

1025
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: what we've seen as far as approach out the plate,

1026
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 2: making proper outs, getting runners home obviously helps when your

1027
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter is locked in and can give you a

1028
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: base runner early. But when we talk about keys to

1029
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: this game coming up, and you're gonna have Houser who's

1030
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: got to show it, and then you've got Paveta who's looking.

1031
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: To bounce back from a rough one.

1032
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: If you're a team that can go out there and

1033
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: throw the first punch, that's done the Giants a lot

1034
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: of favors thus far. Again, they've only had a lead twice,

1035
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: they've only been the team to trail first three times,

1036
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 2: so not a big sample size, but we've also seen

1037
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: how everyone just kind of relaxes when you can throw

1038
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: that first punch. Harrison Vader gets the home run off

1039
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 2: a hanging curveball. The Giants only put up three that game,

1040
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: but the bullpen went there and they did their job,

1041
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 2: and then Ryan Walker had a bit of a shaky ninth,

1042
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: but ultimately got it done. When the bullpen can go

1043
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: out there with the lead to protect, that's when I'm

1044
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna judge them a little bit more. And to their credit,

1045
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: they've had a really, really impressive start to this season

1046
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: for all the question marks surrounding them coming into it.

1047
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 7: Did you supply your own energy on the road and

1048
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: if you can score early, it makes the dugout a

1049
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 7: really cool place to be, Like, there's a vibe in

1050
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 7: the dugout when you score early and when you don't

1051
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 7: hit on the road and the other fans are cheering

1052
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 7: in your dugouts a library, like when you're struggling, you

1053
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 7: come back to the dugout and everyone wants to stay

1054
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 7: away from you. You could hear a pin drop. It's like

1055
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 7: being in a library. Not that I know what that

1056
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 7: would be like, but I just assumed that libraries are quiet.

1057
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 7: And when you score early, then everyone's high five and

1058
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 7: you're joking. You saw Willie on the bench last night,

1059
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 7: and you saw Luisa rise and Willy I thought it

1060
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 7: was one of the best shots I've seen in a

1061
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 7: Giants game in a long time. When they had the

1062
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 7: replay review on the double play, and Willy had his

1063
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 7: arm around Luisa Rise and they were both looking up

1064
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: with the scoreboard, and I'm like, that's a double play

1065
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 7: combination right there that has gelled quickly. Where that's his

1066
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 7: guy and he's got his arm around him, almost reminding

1067
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 7: me of like a ten year old's playing little league

1068
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 7: baseball when he had his arm around Arise at second

1069
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 7: base and you could read Willy's lips and he was

1070
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 7: saying he's out and Arise was shaking it said he's like,

1071
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 7: he's out, and then they overturned it. And so I

1072
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 7: look for little things within the game, the game, within

1073
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 7: the game. I mean we could see the obvious things. Oh,

1074
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 7: they got one hit and shut out, but like how

1075
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 7: it's a body language.

1076
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: How are they reacting? Are they tight? Are they having fun?

1077
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 5: Like you have fun when you succeed.

1078
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 7: It's tough to like get one hit and being the

1079
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 7: dugout go like yeah, you know, when you're struggling as

1080
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 7: a team offensively, Like you'll hear guys going wait to

1081
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: swing it on a foul ball.

1082
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 5: If I would turn to my teammate like is this

1083
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 5: what we've been reduced to?

1084
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 7: We're rooting for foul balls now like good swings instead

1085
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 7: of base hits. And then you have guys that come

1086
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 7: back to the dugout and you tell them way to

1087
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 7: swing it, and they lined out and they get pissed, like,

1088
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 7: don't tell me way to swing? Am I standing on

1089
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 7: first base? Did I get a hit? I'm not helping

1090
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 7: this club right now. I'm sick of here and way

1091
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 7: to swing it? Like I have to produce.

1092
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1093
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 7: So yeah, when you're on the road, you're playing well

1094
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 7: and the dugouts having fun. It's like you said, great points,

1095
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 7: a looser atmosphere.

1096
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: One of the things that was difficult about the opening series,

1097
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: in addition to the strangeness of the schedule and the

1098
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: built in Thursday off day, was also just the eagerness

1099
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: from the fan base. One of the big talking points

1100
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: we had coming into this season on our shows was

1101
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: Tony Vottella was walking into an interesting situation where you

1102
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: didn't hire a manager that was an unconventional, unprecedented kind

1103
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: of hire to come to a team that was in

1104
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: a rebuild mode.

1105
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: They were a team that was.

1106
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: Looking to take that next jump, and they believed that

1107
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: they were a better team with this roster they had

1108
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: than what was ultimately produced for last year, you were

1109
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: thinking that the energy and his style and maybe a

1110
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: mix of some of the new ways of thinking and

1111
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: how much he leaned on analytics, but also just the

1112
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: human element in the way he connects. You were ultimately

1113
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: hoping that that could give you six to ten more

1114
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 2: wins and get you out of that hump of being

1115
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: a team around five hundred and into the playoffs. There's

1116
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: an eagerness within this fan base where there's not an

1117
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: expectation that they're going to be the Dodgers and they're

1118
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: gonna win the World Series this year. And I'm not

1119
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: saying they can't, I'm just saying that's not the preseason expectation.

1120
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: Right Tony Vattello walked into an environment where there is

1121
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: an eagerness to get back into October baseball because it

1122
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: hasn't been that long for when we've seen it, but

1123
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: it's been long enough to where it's like, outside of

1124
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: the season of twenty twenty one, you haven't had a

1125
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: winning season in eight of the last nine.

1126
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 5: You want to get back to that point.

1127
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: You have Logan Web you want to see him pitch

1128
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: in October because you know we can produce in big games.

1129
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: You took on the contract of a Rafael Devers and

1130
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 2: so to come into this kind of environment for Tony,

1131
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: it's an interesting one where there's sort of expectations right away,

1132
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: even if it's not the ultimate expectations. I think with

1133
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: the lineup can produce, we've seen what it looks like.

1134
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: But going back to the larger point I was making

1135
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: is what was so weird about the start of the

1136
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: season is there was this collective angst and tension in

1137
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: the ballpark even when the games were close, because all

1138
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: the games except for the opener, were within reach the

1139
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: whole way through. But someone comes up to the plate

1140
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: in a big spot and it's like, ah, can they

1141
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: get the hit? But we feel that as players, right

1142
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: And I'm saying like they had to endure this atmosphere

1143
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: of just a lot of tension and the fans collectively

1144
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: holding their breath. The Giants have yet to play in

1145
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: a loud ballpark because now they've gone on the road

1146
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: and it's been the podres who can't get on base

1147
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: and they can kind of inflict the pain they felt

1148
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: onto somebody else.

1149
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 5: Well.

1150
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 7: Craig Dammon's a good friend of mine. We were back

1151
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 7: East together, and I'm secretly rooting for the Padres when

1152
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 7: they're not playing the Giants, just so he can have success.

1153
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 7: Like I don't want them to finish ahead of the Giants, obviously,

1154
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 7: but he's such a good dude. And that's another thing.

1155
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 7: Is he getting crushed in San Diego right now. They're

1156
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 7: off to their worst start a long time, one in

1157
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 7: four in the season. And I'll say this news flash

1158
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 7: to everybody listening and to maybe some people around here,

1159
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 7: the least important thing a big league manager does now

1160
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 7: is in move games. It's more about relatability to every

1161
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 7: corner in the clubhouse and getting through to players, having

1162
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 7: your players respect you and you're respecting your players. Like

1163
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 7: that's the most important thing for a big league manager

1164
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 7: in today's generation, Like when there was the National League

1165
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 7: and pitchers were hitting in double switches and a lot

1166
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 7: of strategy involved in the game. Okay, well, if you're

1167
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 7: an in game tactician, I'll say this, like Dusty Baker

1168
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 7: wasn't the greatest in game tactician manager ever, but he

1169
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 7: was the greatest manager of relating to people and he

1170
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 7: did make good decisions in games. I don't want to

1171
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 7: say that, But it wasn't like, oh my god, that's

1172
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 7: such a great move. He he just motivated us. He

1173
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 7: cared about us. He asked about our families. He told

1174
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 7: us when we were playing his bench guys and we

1175
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 7: wanted to play for him. And I asked Tony LaRussa

1176
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 7: about ten years ago, because I was thinking about getting

1177
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 7: back into managing. I said, what would be your best

1178
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 7: advice for a first year manager. What's the biggest mistake

1179
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 7: of first year manager makes? And he said, to show

1180
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 7: them how smart you are is the biggest mistake. That

1181
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 7: you know when to put on what bunt defense, or

1182
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 7: you know when to hit and run, or when to

1183
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 7: steal or when not to steal. He said, the biggest

1184
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 7: thing for a young manager is to get your players

1185
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 7: to play for you and to be authentic and to

1186
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 7: be honest with them.

1187
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: So while we'll sit here and go like why didn't.

1188
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 7: He pinch it here or why did he bring this

1189
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 7: guy in here, that's on this list of important things

1190
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 7: for me, like tenth or twelfth. It's about how he

1191
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 7: relates to every corner in that clubhouse, whether it's Jung Hulee,

1192
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 7: whether it's Willie Adamas and Raffie devers the Latin players,

1193
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 7: whether it's a Chapman who's been in the league for

1194
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 7: a long time or a guy with the credentials of

1195
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 7: Logan Web, how does he relate to those guys? How

1196
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 7: do they respect him? Is the most important thing here,

1197
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 7: And based on being in spring training for three weeks

1198
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 7: and seeing.

1199
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: That whole relationship evolved, these guys want to play for him. Ato, wait,

1200
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: K and br is your number? And Tony Itzello.

1201
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: You know.

1202
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: We had Stephanie apsin a Sports Illustrated on right before

1203
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: the opener because she wrote a piece on SI dot

1204
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: com about how the manager position has changed so much.

1205
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: I think there was a line in the top of

1206
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 2: the story that said it was either a quote or

1207
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: something and she'd gathered from the story, but effectively to

1208
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: the likings of it's about ten percent of the job

1209
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: in game management decisions. Yeah, right, everything you just laid

1210
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: out like, it's not what it used to be on

1211
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: that front, I actually want to revisit this piece of

1212
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: sound from Susan Slusser yesterday when she was on with us,

1213
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 2: because when we were talking about what might ultimately happen

1214
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: at the closer position and evaluating Ryan Walker as he

1215
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: goes through some of the inconsistencies. We got into the

1216
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 2: discussion of like is Tony Bytello going to be generally

1217
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: the type that is quick to change or is he

1218
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: going to be more of the patient type with his players.

1219
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: I want to play the sound bite and then get

1220
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: into a larger point. I wanted to make off of

1221
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: that based on what we saw last night. Here's what

1222
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Susan had to say when she was on the show yesterday.

1223
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 9: It's such a good question. I honestly, I don't know.

1224
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 9: We don't know Tony Vaytello well enough to know if

1225
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 9: he's got kind of a quick trigger for things like that. Yeah,

1226
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 9: I also unclear who the candidate to be closer would

1227
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 9: be if it's not Ryan Walker, Eric Miller. I'm not

1228
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 9: sure they want going back back to back very often.

1229
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 9: Given some of his health stuff, his back and obviously

1230
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 9: rehaving an elbow sprain last year, it's always a little

1231
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 9: bit of a concern for a guy who throws hard. Now,

1232
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 9: Mason Miller did that three years ago with the A's,

1233
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 9: had a pretty significant elbow sprain and came back was,

1234
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 9: you know, All Star. Each of the last two years

1235
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 9: in this phenomenal, but you still, you know, you want

1236
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 9: to be careful. So I'm not necessarily convinced that they

1237
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 9: wouldn't want to quit Eric Miller in that role, and

1238
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 9: he's so valuable where he is, but he could do it, certainly.

1239
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 9: Bhutto could probably do it. I just don't. I just

1240
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 9: don't know if anyone jumps out. I think Ryan Walker

1241
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 9: probably gets a little bit of a leash here, but

1242
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 9: I don't know how much.

1243
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: So the reason I wanted to revisit that is what

1244
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: the question of is Tony Vittello going to be the

1245
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: type of player who sorry, type of manager who is

1246
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: a little more patient with this players or might be

1247
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: quicker to make decisions. After watching last night, I think

1248
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: I asked myself question to my own question, which is,

1249
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: when we look back at the end of the season,

1250
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: is he going to have that brand one way or

1251
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: another at all. You don't treat your players differently as

1252
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: a manager or a coach of a team, and I'm

1253
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: not saying.

1254
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: You don't hold them to a universal standard.

1255
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: There is got to be some level of consistency, but

1256
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: how you get the most out of each players is

1257
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: going to vary based on the personality, the experience, what

1258
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: the expectations are for the team to reach the potential

1259
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: out of that given player. And so back to what

1260
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: your point was fp about the relatability factor. That's why

1261
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: I think it can go a long way if Tony

1262
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: Vtelo is able to remain genuine, continue to build trust

1263
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: with this team to where I mean, I just think

1264
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: about like the Warriors with Steve Kerr. The emotional intelligence

1265
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: is one of his best attributes as a coach. And

1266
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: if you think about his three best players through this dynasty,

1267
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: the way you probably get the most out of Steph

1268
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Curry versus Klay Thompson versus Draymond Green, wildly different personalities

1269
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: on that they all worked very well together on the floor.

1270
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: But you have to imagine you gotta find what makes

1271
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: people taken away. That's like, Okay, it's not saying you

1272
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: don't all hold them to a high standard or you

1273
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: treat them differently as human beings, but in terms of

1274
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: how you do the approach of maybe I'm gonna be patient,

1275
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna have a quick trigger, Maybe i'm gonna

1276
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: give so and so a second chance, or maybe I need.

1277
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 5: To decide that they need an off day.

1278
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: That's gonna depend based on how he handles the personalities.

1279
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be where relatability or lack thereof is

1280
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: gonna make or break a manager's job in a lot

1281
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: of ways.

1282
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 7: Well, you have to learn your players, and that's a process.

1283
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 7: And I think Bruce Bochi, based on stories I've heard

1284
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 7: from Buster and other guys on the team, whether it

1285
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 7: was George Cantos or Jeremy Affelt, he knew who to

1286
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 7: put an arm around when he called him in the office,

1287
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 7: and he knew who to get on somebody's ass if

1288
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 7: he called him in the office. Like, so you got

1289
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 7: to know like your personalities or your players. Can I

1290
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 7: get on this guy or is he gonna fold for

1291
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 7: two weeks in pout or do I just put my

1292
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 7: arm around them and say things are going to get better.

1293
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 5: So that's a process. The one name that.

1294
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 7: Susan my podcast partner, by the way, at Splash Hit Territory,

1295
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 7: it was Will Clark and I yesterday one of the

1296
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 7: best podcasts I've ever done. So if you get a chance,

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Speaker 7: thrill was awesome on the podcast yesterday Splash Hit Territory.

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Speaker 7: I think Keaton Win's going to be your closer before

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Speaker 7: this is all sit and downe.

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Speaker 2: So good text. I want to get to from seven

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Speaker 2: o seven. Why do you have to have one person

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Speaker 2: as your closer? Why can't you deal with the hot

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Speaker 2: hand throughout the season. I want to get your perspective

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Speaker 2: on this, because you obviously understand routine being a player

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Speaker 2: and not from the pitching standpoint, but.

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Speaker 5: You got to see it all up close.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you need to have one person, but

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Speaker 2: I would imagine having defined roles probably goes a long

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Speaker 2: way for people as they get into their routine. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't make a change, but I do

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Speaker 2: envision some kind of closer by committee operation being the

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00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: kind of thing that could get a little bit confusing

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Speaker 2: for both the players and the manager when you get

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Speaker 2: into games where you want to be tight and have

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Speaker 2: everything to a te Yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Think it's based on the makeup of the person. And

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Speaker 7: Tony said a few things that I kind of disagree with.

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Speaker 7: I usually agree with everything he says. He says an

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Speaker 7: ounce and out, but I think the last three outs

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Speaker 7: of a game, when your team has worked hard for

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 7: three hours to get to that point, it's almost like

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Speaker 7: a kicker going in for a last second field goal

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00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 7: to win the game or not. You have to have

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Speaker 7: a certain kind of makeup to handle those last three outs,

1325
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 7: to be standing on the mound to shake hands after

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00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 7: a big game, and whose pulse is lower and whose

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Speaker 7: pulses faster in those situations, who can handle the moment

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Speaker 7: because we all see closers now. You know Duran came

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Speaker 7: in for the Phillies the other night and they got

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Speaker 7: the lights and he jogs out of the bullpen. They

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00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 7: got flames everywhere in the ballpark. They're playing a song

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Speaker 7: and you're going for a save after you've been sitting

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Speaker 7: there for three hours to determine whether your team wins

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Speaker 7: or not. There's a certain personality that can handle that,

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Speaker 7: and there's a person certain personality where the game speeds

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Speaker 7: up on you in those situations. And I think we've

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Speaker 7: seen a pretty big sample size with Ryan Walker where

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00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 7: the game seems to speed up on him in those

1339
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 7: situations where he'll start working faster. And the guys that

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00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 7: can take a deep breath, and I know there's a

1341
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 7: pitch clock now that nobody ever talks about where you

1342
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 7: don't have really a lot of time to gather yourself

1343
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 7: step off the mound, tire shoe, you know, take a

1344
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 7: deep breath. A lot of mound visits slow the thing down.

1345
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Speaker 7: You saw Chappie go in there after the first four

1346
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 7: pitch walk and talk.

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Speaker 5: To him immediately.

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Speaker 7: He's trying to nip that thing in the bud the

1349
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Speaker 7: other night. But there's a guy that can handle that

1350
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 7: the guy that can't. It's not just stuff. It's not

1351
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 7: just the guy that throws one hundred miles an hour.

1352
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 7: It's not the guy with the nastiest slider. It's a

1353
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 7: guy that can stand on that mound and embrace the

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Speaker 7: moment and get the job done.

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Speaker 2: We were all riffing out there at the opener where

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00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: Camillo Daval was walking out there for the Yankees to

1357
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 2: pitch the last sitting, and we're like, where's the light show?

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Speaker 5: Come on?

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00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: We're trying to get a little bit of inconsistency. Maybe

1360
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: they get back into this thing. But four one five,

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Speaker 2: I think says it well, for lack of a better term,

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00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: the closer must be a psycho.

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00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 5: You gotta be a little bit nuts to.

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00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: Be in a bullpen position to begin with, But to

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Speaker 2: be a closer, I like my closers like a Brian

1366
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Speaker 2: Wilson as torturous as that could be at times.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I want my closer to be a psychopath.

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00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 7: I mean rob Nan coming into Smoke on the water

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 7: Beck back in the day, with the hair flowing and

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00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 7: the Candlestick Park wind, going out there with spitwads and

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Speaker 7: getting saves just because he had a demeanor and an

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 7: aura and a personality.

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Speaker 5: On the mound.

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Speaker 7: Intimidation with a picture now is something that's lost in

1375
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 7: the game. That's why I like Robbie Ray so much.

1376
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 7: He straddles the mound. I talked to him about it

1377
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 7: at the Sacramento FanFest. I'm like, is that part of

1378
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 7: your game? He goes a little bit like the way

1379
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 7: you stand on the mound and you get all wide

1380
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Speaker 7: and then you have that song when you come out

1381
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 7: and you got the you got the grunt and you

1382
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 7: got the big mullet going like, it's all part of it.

1383
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 5: Where back in the day, if.

1384
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 7: You face Roger Clemons sometimes it really wasn't.

1385
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: About his stuff. It was about Wow, this guy's a badass.

1386
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 7: Or Pedro Martinez being five foot nine, or tim Linsecomb.

1387
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's a certain aura and a presence

1388
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 7: about a picture that at the highest level, you're looking

1389
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 7: for any edge. If I see a guy not confident

1390
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 7: out there, or he sees me getting the box not confident,

1391
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 7: that's an edge.

1392
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 5: So you're looking for any kind of edge.

1393
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 7: And part of it is that swagger in that aura

1394
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 7: and the closer coming in the ninth inning to a

1395
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 7: good song where it was Trevor Hoffman with Hell's bells

1396
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 7: in the whole ballpark going nuts when he came in,

1397
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 7: and then he throw you a change up because you

1398
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 7: get just so excited about the music that's playing in

1399
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 7: the scene in the ballpark, he drop a change up

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 7: and you're ten feet out in front of it because

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 7: you're amped up with him.

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00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I want my closer to be a little

1403
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: bit weird.

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Speaker 2: What was that movie. I'm trying to look it up

1405
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: right now. I think it was a Catch Me if

1406
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: you can. And there's that line where it's like, you

1407
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: know why the Yankees are so good and the guy

1408
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: goes because they got Mickey Mantel and he's like, nah,

1409
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: it's because the other teams can't stop staring at those

1410
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 2: damn pinchtrecks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a thing. Presence is a

1412
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 7: thing and how you carry yourself. Like I talk a

1413
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 7: lot about Ken Ravisa. He's a great sports psychologist. God

1414
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 7: rest his soul, but he used to talk about physicians

1415
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 7: coming in to do heart surgery and when they opened

1416
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 7: up that door after they scrubbed up with their masks

1417
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 7: on how they just got big when they walked through

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 7: that door because they're about to save somebody's life. Thing

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00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 7: you have to do when you step on that mound,

1420
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 7: you got to get big. When you get in that

1421
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 7: batter's box, you got to get big. And it doesn't

1422
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 7: mean like I stand taller, it's just kind of the

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00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 7: presence that you have.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was Christopher walking in that movie.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Eight O eight K and BR is the number to

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Speaker 2: join the conversation. Since we're getting the theme going, you know,

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: we can get back into it biggest times you felt

1429
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: fooled as a sports fan, and also are you seeing

1430
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: this giant's offensive outburst sixteen hits? Was that in early

1431
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: April fools? Or maybe are they finding something that could

1432
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: be the real thing? Spop on Silver with FP Santangelo

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Speaker 2: on The Sports Leader