WEBVTT - Falling for Socialist Chic 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:11.120 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.160 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Katty. 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.479 Armstrong and Getty and he. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:30.319 Armstrong and Yeddy. Coming up later in the show, A 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:36.479 couple of intriguing not two terrifying stories about a I 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.159 plus some gender bending madness. But it's always a pleasure 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.560 to talk to lonhe chen Lan. He's the David and 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.400 Diane Stephi Fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.800 Hoover Institution and the Director of Domestic Policy Studies at 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.880 Stanford University. Lon he Welcome, How are you, Joe, A 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.560 very good morning to you. Also, among your credentials, you 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.600 are a big Dodgers fan and executive producer Mike Hanson 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.520 is convinced the Dodgers are about to be sold and 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:02.600 fall apart financially. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.400 He would be completely wrong in that assumption. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.200 Ah, everybody roots against the big dog. You have to 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:11.720 put up with it. 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:16.520 So you know, in the words of the great was 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:19.680 it whoever it was that called the last game of 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:21.520 the World Series, you know, to beat the champ you 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.160 got to knock them out, and nobody's knocking out the 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:24.880 Dodgers this year. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.000 They win three in a row. The revolution is coming 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.840 from Major League Baseball, though. The proletariat are going to 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.759 rise up in the streets. All right, So let's talk 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.280 a little politics, and you know, us getting too far 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.600 in depth into a primary election where four hundred and 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.120 thirty two people showed up to vote and trying to 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.640 xtrapolate that to some giant movement I think is just silly. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.680 But in the recent primaries there have been some kind 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:55.240 of intriguing result. What do you think is the most 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:56.360 significant one? 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.120 Well, I still think it has to do with the 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.680 nationalization of our politics, Joe. And the reason that we 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.679 care about the Wisconsin governor's race or the Minnesota Senate race, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.640 or races that otherwise probably wouldn't have a whole lot 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.880 of impact for people who don't live in those states, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.560 is because of what it means for our national politics. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.839 And I think, particularly on the left, if you look 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:24.760 at the energy behind a lot of the progressive democratic 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.840 socialist candidates, and I get it, not all of them 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.079 self identifies democratic socialists, but in my book, if you're 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.360 in favor of the government takeover of healthcare, you're pretty 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.239 much a socialist. And I think that that's what we've 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.480 seen from people like Abdul al Sayid in Michigan, or 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.280 Francesca Haung in Wisconsin or others around those various Midwestern states. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.079 And again, the reason we care is because of what 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.040 it says about where the energy is in the progressive 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.160 movement and what these races tell us about national Democratic 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.120 party politics. So that to me is to be the 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.440 most trend. And actually do think a couple of people 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.240 about it that Democratocrat is statically dodged it last night. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.160 Okay, Lonie, we're having a connection issue, Michael, is there 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.760 anything we can do? Reset anything? What would you suggest? 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.040 I will try and get it reconnected. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.239 Okay, Yeah, we're gonna disconnect with Lonhi and reconnect. Some 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:26.239 of these new modern software, internet driven ways to connect 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.519 or absolutely wonderful when they work, but tend to be 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.480 a bit more glitchy than the old hardwired even the 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.800 fiber optic cable stuff of yesteryear, which in a little 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.080 scene behind a look behind the scenes here is now 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:45.160 prohibitively expensive to do. Yes, oh, he's checking with Lonhie 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:52.960 here he comes in three two one, yes, No, what 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.680 do we think? Okay, Lonie Chen rejoins us Loni. Sorry 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:00.240 for the interruption, the technology being what it is, but 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.680 you are saying the energy where everybody's curious where the 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.400 energy is and plas of politics. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.400 Yeah, sorry about that, I guess Bernie Sanders tap my 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.320 phone again. But the basic point is that the basic 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.800 point is that what you have is this nationalization of 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.720 politics and the energy on the democratic side right now 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.280 it does appear to be with the far progressive left, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.880 and I think that's the lesson. Even though you know, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.080 Democrats I think dodged a bullet with Francesca Hong apparently 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.880 losing last night. I do think that they that's where 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.640 the energy is, and if you look around, you know, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.400 that's where the success has been. And I think it'll 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.719 be very interesting to see how much of that remains 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.200 as we get past the twenty six midterm cycle and 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:42.840 start talking about twenty twenty eight. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.880 Right, the Francesca Hong thing, and this is the sort 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.600 of every man analysis, So you get here as opposed 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.760 to in Lanhi's world, if she hadn't been a half wit, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.920 she'd a one. I mean, she lost by a fingernails. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.559 She was an embarrassing candidate in a lot of ways 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.920 she was the left version of some of those MAGA 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.520 candidates that were so terrible a couple of cycles ago. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.080 Yeah, well, she It was interesting that she and Mike 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.760 Lindell of my Pillow fame were in the you know, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.800 sort of running on the same day basically and had 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.760 elections on the same day, and they're both caricatures. I 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.800 think of whether it's the Maga right or in Francesca 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.320 Hogg's case, the far progressive left. But you're absolutely right 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.200 about Hong. If she had, you know, basically gone underground 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.760 for the last two weeks of her campaign, she. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.600 Might have won. Actually she would have. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.760 She would have been better off going underground than giving 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.440 the interviews she gave, because what the interviews exposed was 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.839 that the far left caricature in her case wasn't actually 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.760 a caricature, It was actually the truth. Right. I mean, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.480 you have somebody who's talked about, you know, getting rid 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.000 of Thanksgiving and you know again government takeover of health care, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.640 you know, being totally comfortable with all of the you know, 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.640 sort of politics of twenty twenty, as I like to 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.920 think of at the woke politics of twenty twenty, being 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.080 totally comfortable with all of that, and the interviews just 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.000 showed that she gave some disastrous interviews. And you're absolutely right. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.360 If she was even a tick better of a candidate, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.520 you know, she probably wins that wins that election. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.440 So let's look next door at Minnesota. I was surprised 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.960 that the lieutenant governor, Penny Peggy Flanagan beat a pretty 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:29.720 solid centrist Democratic candidate, Angie Craig, because Minnesota become a 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:35.719 laughingstock essentially for their horrific levels of fraud per capita. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.400 California will make them look like amateurs when all the 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.839 accounting is done. And she was sitting at Tim Waltz's 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.200 side as all this was going on. You know, my 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.760 analysis is if you're a progressive and you blame everything 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:54.120 on either white people or capitalism or whatever, you never 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.880 look in the mirror. But I was surprised that the 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.840 lieutenant governor of such a scandal play. I mean, Tim 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.040 Walls was going to run himself, but he couldn't because 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.279 he's so scandal played. I couldn't believe she won. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.200 Well, again, we have to think about where the energy 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.200 is in the Democratic Party, and I think particularly in Minnesota, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.040 that was the center of a lot of I mean, 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.600 not just the fraud stuff, but you know, all of 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.800 the police involved shootings and all the things that we've 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.680 seen over the last couple of years. Minnesota was the 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.040 epicenter for that, and I think in some ways what 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.360 it did was to galvanize the left to move even 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.640 farther left, rather than trying to come back to the 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.640 middle and trying to say, look, how can we address 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.680 some of the challenges that have been created by the 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.120 failed Walls administration. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.760 Instead of that, they went further left. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.160 And actually, I'm not surprised that Flanagan was able to 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.320 win there because I do think again, it's where the 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.960 energy is, and the movement in Minnesota was particularly acute 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.640 because they sort of see themselves, you know, with all 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.360 due respect to California, they sort of see themselves as 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.520 the center of the anti Trump existence. And I think 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.160 that's why that electric moved even further left. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.720 So I want to talk about the Republicans in a second. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:11.000 But how seriously do you take the prospect of Abdul 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.520 al Said winning in Michigan winning a United States Senate seat. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.000 You know, I wouldn't underestimate the guy. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.680 I mean, if you look at his ability to articulate 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.760 a message in a very you know, I don't happen 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.720 to agree with the message, but I think that he 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.000 can articulate a message in a pretty compelling way to 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.720 people who you know, otherwise don't follow politics as closely. 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.320 Let's say, you know, I think that Mike Rogers, who 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.200 is the Republican Senate nominee in Michigan, is probably very 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:46.000 excited to run against Abdul l Sae because of his positions. Particularly, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.360 I think he's particularly vulnerable on his positions with respect 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:54.200 to taking away healthcare by replacing it with this government 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.160 run system. I do think that is a particular vulnerability 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.920 for l Saeed. Not to mention his association with people 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.200 like Ilhan Omar and AOC who might be appealing again 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.280 to the progressive left, I don't think they're appealing to 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.199 the vast majority of Michiganders. So I think Mike Rogers 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.400 has is definitely in a much better position because he's 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.400 running against Alsaid. But I would not underestimate the Democrat 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.720 in that race just because you know, he's good on TV, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.000 and he's compelling and knows how to articulate a message. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.000 Mom, Donnie ask in a lot of ways. I want 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.280 to talk maybe next segment, after we bid you goodbyel 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.880 On he about the whole Medicare for All and how 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.000 that's really fraud, how it will eliminate private insurance and 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:36.000 fraud it to be covered. It's utterly fraudulent. We'll explain 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.719 why in a second, but let's take a look to 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.599 the right. Does the Republican Party have any idea what 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:41.959 it is? 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:44.880 Yeah? 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.800 I mean, for all the challenges that the Democratic Party has, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.840 I think that one of the challenges on the Republican 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.240 side is that, you know, we have, for the last 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.319 I don't know, as a movement, probably at least for 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.960 the last decade, certainly been a party that's been very 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.320 closely associated with a single person, and that's Donald Trump. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.280 And I think the question becomes what does the party 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.000 and the movement look like as we start to think 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.960 ahead to twenty twenty eight and you know, when they'll 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.320 be a new set of candidates. And I think that's 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.440 a question that we've got to grapple with now. I've 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:21.199 always maintained that the movement, the Republican conservative movement, what 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.280 do you want to call it, is that it's strongest 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.560 when we're thinking about a series of ideas about how 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.120 to improve people's lives. And what I worry about a 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.439 little bit is that we've fallen too much into the 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.839 politics of personality versus the politics of ideas. And I 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.640 would hope that whoever the next nominee is, whoever wants 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.800 to compete for that nomination and don't I don't have 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.920 a particular view on, you know, where that's headed, but 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.600 I'll just say that whoever does it, I really hope 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.000 that they focus on, you know, what are the ideas 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.240 that are going to make this movement durable for the 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.520 years to come. I mean, that's where I think that 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.559 the party needs to go. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.160 Yeah, I'm a big Marco guy, which we'll be talking 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.000 about next half hour, I think. But you know, it's funny. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.199 I was just going to say, I heard recently that 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.319 the difference between a hack and a writer is a 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.160 hack writes what he thinks his audience wants to read, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.560 and a writer writes what he actually feels and thinks. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.040 And I was just going to ask you, and you 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:17.520 parsonally answered this. But and I have talk show host privilege. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.000 I can spout high minded ideas and principles and quote 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.360 Thomas Jefferson. But I never have to win an election. Okay, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.120 you know, I'm not tasked with winning election, and if 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.240 we don't, I lose my job. So it's easy to 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:38.359 be high minded. But having said that, is the roadback 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.280 for the Republican Party to coherence and relevance in persuading 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.719 people to come over. Is it less about being a 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:50.240 hack and more about a set of ideas. I think 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:55.679 hackery always ends badly. Pandering always ends badly, although it 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.319 will always be a part of politics. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:02.160 Yeah, I mean, I think the best combination is ideally 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.400 you have great ideas and a great way of talking 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.640 about them. And you know, I mean, for all of 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:12.199 the the sort of discussion about Newt Gingrich in the nineties, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.120 I mean this is like well before the time of 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.760 maybe some of your listeners. But if you go back 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.160 to the Contract with America, and you know, Newt had 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.760 a way of really talking about those ideas, and all 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:28.080 of those ideas were you know, sort of solid conservative ideas, 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:29.800 if you will, but he was you know, he managed 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.439 to package them up and talk about them in a 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.560 way that I think a lot of people found compelling. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.120 And when you combine good ideas with a good message. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.120 That that's sort of the holy grail of politics and policy, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.839 and so that's really where we've got to go. It's 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.079 not just about having good ideas, because I think good 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.680 ideas are great, But to your point, good ideas alone 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:50.000 are not enough to win an election. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.600 They just they're just not in this day and age. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:53.679 You have to be able to communicate. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.120 And that's why if you look at the left, for 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.920 all of the bad ideas that the far far progressive 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.160 left is talking about, medicare for all, free grocery stores, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:07.760 you know, getting rid of basically elements of private enterprise. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.400 The reason why you know those are ideas, and the 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.800 reason why people have really given the far progressive left 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.400 another look is because. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:17.959 They've been able to communicate those ideas. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.040 And so whatever it is that Republicans and Conservatives decide 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.240 to do next, the one thing I hope they'll do 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.679 is I hope they'll marry strong ideas with in some 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.360 ways what President Trump has been able to do, which 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.840 is to communicate effectively, and now he's communicated his own agenda. 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:35.960 But I guess I would say the lesson learned from 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.679 that is you can communicate about these ideas in a 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.079 way that is very compelling and powerful to people. So 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.679 you've got to figure out how to combine all these 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.160 different forces. And whether it's Marco Rubio or JD. Vance 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.920 or whoever it might be next, that's they're going to 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.080 be their challenge. That's going to be the fundamental challenge 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.160 of the next couple of years. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.559 Lanie Chen of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, lot he 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.920 is always enlightening. Thanks a million for the time. Good 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:57.480 to talk to you, sure, Joe, good to talk to you. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.560 More to come stay with us, Armstrong. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.160 See Armstrong and Getty Shark. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.800 You know, we don't get into a lot of policy 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.960 wonkiness around here because it's a little dullish and would 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.000 put us out of business. But I did want to 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.800 touch on this really quickly because I found it enlightening. 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:29.560 For what it's worth, my wife and I are just 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.200 short of medicare age. We'll be there soon, god willing. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.320 I'm only dimly aware of how it works, and a 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.240 lot of the folks falling for a socialist cheek, whether 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.800 they're abdul l s I Aid and As followers or whomever, 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.240 are running around talking about medicare for all, among other 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.080 things like free childcare and an eight percent wealth tax 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.720 on billionaires and stuff like that, and some of the 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.840 goals that they speak of, good housing, good healthcare, affordable food, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.840 basic dignity of life. Okay, nobody disagrees with any of 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:08.640 that stuff, but it's worth mentioning that this guy who 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.600 earned a doctorate in public health from Oxford, for God's sake, 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.240 and his wife is a practicing psychiatrist, which means she 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.080 has a medical degree and refuses to take Medicare, which 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:26.040 is hilarious. He knows all this stuff, he's He says 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.680 he actually authored a book, Medicare for All, a Citizen's Guide, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:33.720 and it said it would eliminate private insurance. But the 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:38.360 catchphrase Medicare for All is misleading. What he poses isn't 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.880 universal Medicare, but a single payer system with no premiums, deductibles, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.320 are cost sharing, and no alternatives, and Medicare has all 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.200 of those things. All seniors who don't also qualify for 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.520 Medicaid have to pay a monthly Medicare Part B premium 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.480 starting at a couple one hundred dollars, and tied upward 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.880 income seniors who enroll in traditional Medicare fee for service 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.720 also have a about a seventeen hundred dollars deductible for 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.360 in patient hospital care, steep cost sharing requirements, and no 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.080 limit on out of pocket spending. They also have to 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.600 purchase a separate prescription drug plans whose munthly premiums range 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.280 from nothing to about two hundred and forty bucks depending 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.040 on income. That's per month. Another forty percent of seniors 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.480 in traditional medicare by supplemental insurance policies to cover benefits 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.400 like dental and vision care that are not provided by 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.920 the government, and for protection against catastrophic costs because again 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.640 there's no out of pocket limit. There's all sorts of 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.280 private insurance involved in Medicare to make it worth an 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.600 s It's a it's a good thing for seniors, no doubt, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.640 But the idea that hey, we're going to have Medicare 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.200 for all, which means you don't have to have private 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.240 insurance just to lie, we would end up with British 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.400 style universal health care where you have to wait six 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.520 months to get your cancer treatment started. And that's as 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.600 nightmarish as it sounds. Not that our current healthcare system 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.920 isn't screwed up, is it's so screwed up. We're gonna 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.359 talk to Craig, the healthcare guru about that, I think tomorrow. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.200 But Medicare for All is a it's a canard, it's 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.200 a sham. It's a scam, like virtually everything they do. 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.320 I mentioned casually to lonhi Chen that I'm a Marco 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.159 Rubio guy until talked out of it. He did an 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.520 interview the other day. It was really something. We're gonna 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.080 play you a couple of bits of that and then 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.359 squeeze in whatever else we can. As always, if you 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.760 can't stick around, grab it via podcast Armstrong and Getty 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.760 on demand arms Strong. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:32.480 And Getty. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:45.440 The arms Strong and Getty Show adopted RFK s giant 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.320 diet of red meat crazy. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:53.000 This is a diet that consists of eating sauer kraut 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.240 and meat. Now you understand, like this is not a 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.240 sustainable thing, Like you can't just walk into it. He 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.200 can you imagine he has to travel with coolers of 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.119 south I'm not going to travel the world with a 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:06.320 cooler full of sour crowd. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.320 It's ridiculous. I can't do it. It's not sustainable. That 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.040 is Marco Rubio commenting on RFK Junior's whack adoodle diet, 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.720 and the interviewer followed up with the next clip, Michael, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.200 are you Maha? I'm in favor of Maha, like I 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:21.920 think people should be. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.200 Is not but I think ultimately he is completely not 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.080 want to pop tarts? 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.720 No, I don't need pop tarts every day. Okay, you 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:30.439 eat sweets. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.760 Pop tart is one of the great American innovations in history. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:34.520 Do you think about it? 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.920 Comes He's beautiful for all the things you should not 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.720 be eating, every single thing. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.439 That is his wife, Jeanette sitting in on the interview 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:48.040 with Marco Rubio calling him out. That is hilarious. Jack 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:53.560 is fond of repeating the absolutely undeniable wisdom that, with 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.760 few exceptions, in an election, the person who is more 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:03.600 comfortable in their skin wins. They beat the person who 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.520 seems to be trying to be something, because that's so 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.280 hard to pull off. Hillary was the ultimate example of that. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.520 I mean, look, no matter what you think of her, crazy, smart, tough, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:24.960 mean as a snake, yes yes, yes, Secretary of State, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:31.520 I mean credentials, but she always acted like she was 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:33.639 She always seemed like she was putting us on or 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.680 trying to be something she wasn't. So anyway, a little 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.720 more with Marco Rubio, and hey, I'll admit it's true. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.359 I would like him to be president. I wanted him 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.560 to be president for a while. Maybe you'd disagree, but 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.720 he is a very likable chap. Let's see what I 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.879 don't want to do too many of these. Let's do 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:54.399 thirty two. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.880 You said to lar Trump if you had a day off, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:58.560 that you would watch football all day. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.560 I answered the questionmpletely wrong. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.960 Why. Well, first of all, the right answer is I 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.320 would spend it with my wife going on, oh yeah, okay. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.040 But the true answer is, and. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.400 Here's why I messed up that answer. Okay, because here's 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.879 the thing. The day would actually start much earlier. The 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:18.400 greatest show on television today in America is College Game Day. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.440 Great show starts around ten or eleven, and that leads 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.239 you to noon, and then the noon game, and then 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.320 there's a three thirty game, and then there's a So 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.560 I messed and in the idea like this is a 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.639 crazy weekend. It would never happen. So I'm just putting 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.640 this out there. But you could start at ten am 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.840 on Saturday, you know, run the whole college football day, 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:36.800 sleep for a few hours, then you wake up, and 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.040 then you're in the NFL game day. Then you got 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.399 the one o'clock game, the four o'clock game, the NBC 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:46.000 game that night. That is an incredible weekend in my opinion. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.320 In my view, obviously, I don't believe that ever I 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.160 will ever achieve this, certainly not in the next two 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.119 and a half years or what have you. But and 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.440 your audience probably doesn't care anything about what I just said. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:57.840 But I'm just telling you that that would be a 0:20:57.880 --> 0:20:58.360 crazy day. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.159 But that's never going to happen, right, Well, you never know, 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:02.800 You never know. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.560 I should say. He's on the Katie Miller podcast though, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.760 and I'm enjoying it. It's a good interview, solid interview, 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.720 and Katie does a nice job. One more I like 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.879 the looks of this thirty three Michael. So I have 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:17.280 a dog. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.200 We have two dogs, and then we have one that's 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.399 really smart. You know, these are Golden doodles, but this 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.920 one's more poodle than doodles, so than golden. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:24.920 Very smart. 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:26.280 Knows how to open the door. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.239 So one day, I think Pete and his family were 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.480 just sitting around watching television and they keep their front 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.919