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Hey, now you're a Murphin 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Marcus with Giants General Manager Zach Manazzi on the Sports 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Leader sponsored by Bigelot, grab a mug and t proud. 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: We look forward to our Thursday seven thirty Buster Posey, 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: Tony Vtello and batting Third General Manager Zach Manazzi and 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: the Executive Show is sponsored by Benjamin Moore Paints Experience 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: of Benjamin Moore Retail Difference that are independently owned authorized 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: retailers today or at Benjamin Moore dot com. Now, Zach 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: is always great to talk to you on the UMA 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: guest line. Welcome back to Murphin Marcus. Let's be honest 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: because we were friends, we've. 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: Known each other for a little bit and can be honest. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Now, how much were you dreading doing this show Monday night? 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 2: And how much much better do you feel during your 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: show Thursday morning? 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: Good morning morning, Zach. 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: A world, a world of difference, A world of difference, 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: morning guys. 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: It is it is a results based business. 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: Zach Right, Oh my goodness, Well let's start positive, you know, 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean, we have a bunch of questions about the team, 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: but we were just saying three things from yesterday's game 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: jumped out to us. One Tyler Malley, you know what 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: you got there to Tony v navigating the bullpen, and 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: three Raffie Devers being Raffie Devers as a general manager. 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: If I threw those three developments yesterday, which one stuck 30 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: out to you the most? 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: Oh boy, I think, Look, they're they're all they're all great, 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 4: and you know, we don't win the game without contributions 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 4: from from each But you know, I think looking at 34 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 4: Raffi's at bats, you know, look, the homer is kind 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: of the big blow. And one thing I thought was 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: interesting is he's facing Aaron Nola and long home run 37 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: to center field, and then he gets up later in 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: the game against a tough left hander Alvarado throwing upper 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: nineties and laces a ball in the center field. So 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 4: when you see back to back played appearances like that, 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 4: and it feels like a sign of a lot of 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: good things to come. And you know, he's our big 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: bat in the in the middle of the lineup and 44 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: him doing damage just gives us a much better chance 45 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: to win day in and day out. 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, Zach, I could say one of the other positives 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 5: from yesterday's game, and really the first eleven or so 48 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: games of the season thirteen games now in Luisa arrives 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: over at second base. Now, he was over at DH 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 5: yesterday and he joked about how he wanted to be 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 5: out on the field. But this far into the season, 52 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 5: what have been your thoughts the early return on Louisa Rise, 53 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 5: not just what he's doing with the beat, but what 54 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: he's provided defensively over at second base as well. 55 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been great. 56 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 5: He has. 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 4: The other thing, you know, even beyond the offense and defenses, 58 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 4: is the energy that he plays with. It's it's it's infectious. 59 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: And you know, even just seeing him kind of on 60 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: a base pass, getting secondary leads and try to trying 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 4: to mess with pitch a little bit, it's been fun 62 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: to watch. But he's a tremendous worker. He's been great 63 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: in our clubhouse. I think he's gone out there feeling 64 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 4: like he has something to prove. Defensively, you know, three 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: time batting champion. I think we all know the offensive 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 4: profile and what he can bring there. But he's really 67 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: come into this determined to show, you know, the baseball 68 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: world what he can do at second base. So you know, 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 4: we felt like going into this that in his hands 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 4: and his arm strength would would play. And just him 71 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: continuing to work on angles that he's taken to the 72 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: ball and to increase his range. And he's worked really hard. 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: Ron Washington, Hector Borg out there every day and and 74 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: and it's been fun to watch and feel like it's 75 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: something he can maintain. 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: Zach Manasien is the voice you hear on our Giants 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: executive show on the UMA guest line every every Thursday. 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: We rotate from Buster Posey to Tony Bitello to Zach 79 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: to Larry Behar and then rit lather, rinse repeat. 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: Okay, let's go a big picture. He's ad a couple 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: of specific things from yesterday five and eight. In the West, 82 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: you're in last place. You look up, the Rockies just 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: swept the Astros. 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: Things are happening, So let's go Macrozach, You've been around 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: the game forever since you were a little kidding clubhouses 86 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: and Tyler Mallley addressed the elephant in the room as 87 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: they said everyone is should we say crapping on us? 88 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: He used a different word. I wondered, you're feeling about 89 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: the big picture of a slow start. Three and eight 90 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: fans upset? Now five and eight is still not what 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: you totally wanted. But where is the front office in 92 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: evaluating this five and eight start to the season. Are 93 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: you guys a little underwhelmed? What's your attitude? 94 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: Well? 95 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: I think, look, nobody likes to lose early in the season, 96 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: late in the season, one game, thirteen games, you know, whatever, 97 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: whatever it may be. I think for us in the 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: front office, and I think our coaching staff, and obviously 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: are players just continuing to push yourself. But I think 100 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: Tony's talked about it too, about having that balance of 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: letting go a little bit too and not trying to 102 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: be perfect. And I think we have a lot of 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 4: players with great natural ability and letting that take over. 104 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: So you know, from an evaluation standpoint, you're try not 105 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: to go to day by day. I think you'll drive 106 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 4: yourself crazy, but you're always trying to look at the 107 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: big picture, and you know, is this good enough? Is 108 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: that good enough? When we have to make changes here? 109 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 4: And I think changes with baseball rosters are inevitable. We 110 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: use as many players now as there's ever been used 111 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: in the game. So I don't want to sit here 112 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: and be naive to think we're going to have the 113 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 4: same twenty six or twenty seven given the Bhuttou injury 114 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 4: all year, and you try and stay nimble and constantly 115 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 4: an evaluation mode, but try to balance that short term 116 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 4: look with the sample size that we have and kind 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: of what you're seeing for the future. 118 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: Zach. 119 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 5: One of the questions I had about the Ross going 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 5: to the season was the roster construction with the bench. 121 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: You guys currently do not have any left handed bets 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 5: as options late in games, So talk to us about 123 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 5: those decisions to build the roster that way. And do 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 5: you guys feel like maybe it's maybe limiting the options 125 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 5: and possibilities for Tony Vitello to have some of those 126 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 5: late game management moments because of the lack of options 127 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 5: when it comes to left handed bets. 128 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 129 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 4: Probably. I mean, I think it'd be foolish to say 130 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: it doesn't limit him. I think it's a little bit 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 4: of a give and take on what we want to 132 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: have off the bench. I think Jared and Oliva, we 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: look at his speed and feel like that can be 134 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: impactful off the bench. But obviously, you know, those opportunities 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: haven't been there as much as we had hoped the 136 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 4: first thirteen games of the season. So you know, thirteen 137 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 4: positional players on the roster and you know, pretty much 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: eight spots that have been very very set, so so 139 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: not a lot of opportunities to pinch hit as we 140 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: kind of depend on our guys. But it's all part 141 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: of referring to to a long season and constantly evaluating 142 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: and being open to making changes, whether that's Tony and 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 4: the staff feeling like, yeah, there are more pinchhit opportunities, 144 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: you know, continuing to look at the roster and and 145 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: how it matches up with the series ahead, you know, 146 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: the week ahead, whatever whatever it may be. So yeah, 147 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: to some extent, you know, it probably does limit him, 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: but also kind of prioritizing what we feel like we 149 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: can use because you know, you are limited on on 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 4: the players you have on the roster. 151 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: Zach Mnasien addressing questions about the Giants as they take 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: a day off today. They had to Baltimore tomorrow. Love 153 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: Camden Yards four fifteen start tomorrow. Landing roofs could be 154 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: on Hill for the Giants. Okay, so Zach, you and 155 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: Buster and Jeremy Shelley and the whole crew. You guys 156 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: assembled your roster and certainly, I guess in your whiteboard 157 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: in Scottsdale, did you not have thirteen games in five 158 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: home runs worst in baseball or thirteen games in twenty 159 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: sixth in baseball in runs scored? So how do you 160 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: in the front office say, man, what do we do 161 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: about this offense? 162 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, to answer your your first question, no, I 163 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: didn't have that down. I mean, I think there's a 164 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: lot of power throughout the lineup and feel like we 165 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: will hit some homers. You know. As far as why, 166 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: you know, there's probably a variety of reasons, and I'm 167 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: not one for making excuses. I think as far as 168 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: going forward, you know, it's still going back to track record. 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 4: You know, Willia Domas is the first Giant to hit 170 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 4: thirty homers, and I don't know, I feel like it's 171 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: eighty for as much as I heard about it coming here. 172 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 4: So there's certainly power with Willie, with Ramos, with Chapman. 173 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: Obviously Rossi's one of the premier power hitters in the game. 174 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: You know, other players on the roster that have shown 175 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 4: that in flashes, so you know, just just kind of 176 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: feel like it's something that will turn with the time. 177 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 4: Is as players heat up and rely on their track 178 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: record of showing power in the past and feel like 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: it will come in time. 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 5: Zach Manasseiing is the voice to hear this morning GM 181 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 5: of the San Francisco Giants on the Kambre Executive Show 182 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 5: sponsored by Redwood Credit Union. For you for community for 183 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 5: seventy five years and Zach taking a look at the bullpen. 184 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 5: You brought up the Jose Bueau injury earlier in this conversation. 185 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 5: You guys decided to call up Blade Sidwell from Triple A. 186 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: Now we've talked about maybe his future as a starter. 187 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 5: So where do you guys see his season long roll? 188 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: Is it in the bullpen? What are those opportunities? What's 189 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: the game plan going forward for Blade Sidwell? 190 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of to be determined. I give Blade a 191 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: lot of credits. He's come in and pitched out of 192 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 4: the pen and it's it's been pretty seamless for him 193 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 4: to transition to the role. I don't think he's give 194 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: him up a run yet. I'm gonna knock on wood 195 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 4: as I say that he's pitched very well and and 196 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: that sladder he has is a real out pitch, and look, 197 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: we think it can work well in longer stints, but 198 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,359 Speaker 4: it's certainly shown him to work in shorter stints. And 199 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 4: and with us having five starters going day in and 200 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 4: day out, that we feel like, give us a chance 201 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: to win and constantly looking at how to maximize the 202 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: bullpen we have, we feel like he's in a really 203 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: good spot right now. 204 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Okain Zach Mnazi And it was kind of back to 205 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: Tyler Mallley. I mean, my gosh, you know that's a 206 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: guy who likes fans know a lot about and his 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: track record was injury laden. But Bruce Bochi also told 208 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: you guys, this guy could be not top of the rotation, 209 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 2: but near top of the rotation, And yesterday he neutralized 210 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: a very good lineup. 211 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: That split finger was great. 212 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 2: Mightd me a John Burkett from the early nineties kind 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: of looks like him too? 214 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: So give us your. 215 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: Realistic like, like was that what did you guys see 216 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: from mally? What did the analytics show and what's the 217 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: prognosis going forward? 218 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think analytically. When we talked about 219 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: him in the offseason, it was someone who really limits 220 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: hard contact. So you know, maybe not a big strikeout guy, 221 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,479 Speaker 4: but but really a feel for pitching, mixing his pitches, 222 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 4: throwing two different quadrants of the strike zone, and a 223 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: bit of a game or two. You know, a confident, 224 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: confident guy. I think the outing before his second out 225 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: end of the year, he was he was. He was 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: pretty disappointed in the results, and he came out yesterday 227 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: determined to uh to throw, to throw a good game. 228 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 4: So it's always great to win really any game. But 229 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 4: you know, a getaway day before a long trip was 230 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 4: you know, it's huge. And look, we've got a I 231 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 4: think a great medical staff led by by Dave Greschner, 232 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: and and I feel like Tyler. Tyler's in a great 233 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: spot physically right now, and we'll do as best as 234 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: we can to keep them healthy and keep them pitching, 235 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: because I do think every time he steps on the mound, 236 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: our players feel like they got a good chance to 237 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: win the game. 238 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 5: Zach, We've now seen back to back wins with back 239 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 5: to back shutouts with two different catchers behind home plate. 240 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 5: So I want to ask you about Daniel Susak and 241 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 5: if you could tell our audience the backstory about how 242 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 5: you guys were able to acquire him through the Rule 243 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 5: five draft and Minnesota Twins were able to select him. 244 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 5: You guys made the trade. He comes in, What did 245 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 5: you see and from him in spring training? And what 246 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 5: have been your takeaways from the first two games that 247 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 5: he's played in a San Francisco Giants uniform. 248 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, just just going going way back. I mean a 249 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: lot of these, a lot of these conversations on players 250 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: just start way way years in before acquiring them. And 251 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: our amateur group was on sus as a as an 252 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: amateur player. He was a first round pick out of Arizona. 253 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 4: Obviously some Giants ties with his brother, and believe it 254 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: or not, some Brewers ties in that we traded for 255 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: Andrew in the Will Smith Phil Bickford trade. So some 256 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: familiarity for me as well, dating back to Geez that 257 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: would have been twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, So some history there. 258 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: The two people in the office who work very hard 259 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: to stay on top of everything related to pro personnel, 260 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 4: Hotti Rod and gossip Room, and it identified Sue says 261 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: has a pretty good catching prospect, and we had some 262 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: conversations with Oakland actually in the off season about acquiring him, 263 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: and those didn't come to fruition. And we were excited 264 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 4: when we saw him available on the Rule five and 265 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: thought it'd be a good opportunity for us to try 266 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: and get another catcher and really excited about having a 267 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 4: sus Rodriguez, I mean Patty Borderline Platinum Gold Glove defender. 268 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 4: But you never have enough catching, so you know, when 269 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 4: he was available in the Rule five, we worked pretty 270 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: hard at trying to find some different avenues to move 271 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: up the draft to acquire him. You know, it wasn't easy. 272 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: At different times we heard through the Grape Fine that 273 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: he was going to get selected before our pick, so 274 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 4: it felt like we had to trade up to get him. 275 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 4: You know, we're fortunate to do so. And he came 276 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 4: into spring training and I think he really stays within 277 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 4: himself at the plate, has a really good plan, knows 278 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 4: what he's trying to do. He's worked very well with 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: hunter Men's and defensively very calm, can really throw, and 280 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 4: it feels like he's coming into his own here early. 281 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: Well. 282 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: In the front office, do you guys view every day 283 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: in the major leagues as a dog eat Dog world. 284 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: In other words, Patrick Bailey's a two time Gold Glover. 285 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: But Mike Kuko tells us every Monday, Wednesday and Friday 286 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: in the big leagues, you're fighting for your job every 287 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: day in the front office. Do you guys say to 288 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: each other, Hey, man, if Dan Sussak wants to take 289 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: over QB one as catcher, let him go, Like, is 290 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: that you guys. 291 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: Open to that? 292 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 293 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 4: I think you know something that's been really interesting to me. 294 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 4: Fortunate to spend as much time with and around Buster 295 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: as possible. One thing that he's always told me is 296 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 4: Boach would always deliver the message that as a player, 297 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: you can never go about things as having arrived. And 298 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 4: and we're we're talking about a player that is going 299 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: to go to the Hall of Fame. And I think 300 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: that's kind of how Buster approached it is he had 301 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 4: never arrived. He he always wanted to go out there 302 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 4: and and and prove himself because he wanted to be 303 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: QB one and and and so so. Yeah, I think 304 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: we always need to be open to putting the best 305 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: roster on the field to win in any given day. 306 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: I think Patty Bailey has shown what a great defender 307 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: he is, and I think we all know how important 308 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: that is, and you know, it's something that we want 309 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: to be a cornerstone of who we are is playing 310 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 4: great defense. But but certainly, the way Seuss has performed 311 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 4: early on here in the season, he's he's warranted more 312 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: playing time, and you know, we'll see how that goes. 313 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: It's obviously a fluid situation and and you know, great 314 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: to have, great to have the two catchers. It's such 315 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: a demanding position physically. We give mountains of information and 316 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: data to our to our catchers for preparing for a game, 317 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 4: and it's it's demanding to their mind. So having the 318 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: two can be can be a great thing. And I 319 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 4: almost look at it like the dual running back system 320 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 4: that we start to see more and more in the NFL. 321 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: Having having two catchers and keeping those guys fresh can 322 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: be great. So certainly excited about what what Seuss has 323 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: done here early. And obviously Patty has a track record 324 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 4: of being such an impactful defender, and it's great to 325 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: have both options. 326 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, Zach, to your point, we all know how valuable 327 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 5: Patrick Bailey is defensively behind home play, But I want 328 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: to ask you about the ABS system. I know it's 329 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 5: a small sample size, only thirteen games of the season, 330 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 5: but do you feel like the implementation of the APS 331 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 5: system has now devalued a defensive catcher like Patrick Bailey. 332 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 4: I don't think so, you know, I think teams are 333 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: being very choosy about when they use it. I think 334 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: Patty's ability to kind of steal strikes on the edges 335 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: maybe force his teams into decision mode, maybe more so 336 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: than other catchers. And I think a lot of these 337 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 4: things that's in baseball. Statistically, it's still a game that's 338 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 4: that's you know, relative to what other players do. So 339 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: you know, I would not I would push back at it, 340 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 4: you know, devaluing him, and in some essence, I think 341 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 4: you could say it increases the value because he's so 342 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: good at forcing hitters to make those decisions. So it'll 343 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't 344 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 4: know if anybody really knows the true impact just yet. 345 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: You know, we run every algorithm imaginable to figure that out, 346 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 4: and and but I think seeing it in real time 347 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: and get a big sample size will tell us a lot. 348 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: I know, we don't have you all morning, so just 349 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: kind of squeeze in the last couple months here, the 350 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: bullpen has forever been the number one topic for everyone. 351 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: We do a Camber roundtable to start the season, we 352 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: all said, well, what's going on in the bullpen? So 353 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: we all wonder And Marcus and I talked about this 354 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: earlier in the show, about the way Tony V navigated 355 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: that game yesterday. We didn't know, like, who do you 356 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 2: go to when Mally is time to go? Well he 357 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: went to Matt Gage, Okay, Well, where do you go next? 358 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: Well he went to Caleb Killian, Okay, where do you 359 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: go next? Well he goes to Blaye. So in other words, 360 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: we're just kind of guessing along, and it seems to 361 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: change matchup by matchup, night by night, And I guess 362 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: yesterday it worked. 363 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 3: Yesterday was the ideal. 364 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: We saw on Sunday two one lead in the eighth 365 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: against the Mets, it didn't work. And we saw on Monday, 366 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: most notably in a four to nothing game, four two lead, 367 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: it didn't work, and that obviously changes your season outlook 368 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 2: if you win those two games. 369 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 3: So it's a long way of saying. 370 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: Zach, you guys gave us a wide open bullpen with 371 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: a lot of question marks. Is that okay or do 372 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: you you guys need to firm that up or do 373 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: something with your bullpen? 374 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: Well, it's it's it's okay only if they pitch well 375 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: and and look there's no hiding behind results. So I 376 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 4: think we saw the first couple series of the year 377 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: the bullpen throw really well, a little bit marred by 378 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: a Jose Bouto outing where he was pitching with basically 379 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: no blood flow to his hand. So I think that 380 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: muddies the numbers a little bit. And and and then 381 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: we saw the struggles. And I think even the best 382 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 4: bullpens you have hups and downs. You know, we're facing 383 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: the Yankees early in the year, and and and watching 384 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: you know, David Bednar throw against us, and and just 385 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 4: how dominant he can be. And I think back to 386 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: two years ago watching him in Pittsburgh, after having been 387 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 4: a pretty much rock solid reliever, go through struggles and 388 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: then he regains it. So I think with most bullpens, 389 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: you go through up and downs, and I think we 390 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 4: all know it. It's going to be a lightning rod 391 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 4: for speculation because it's not the proven names of you know, Wagner, Ledge, 392 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 4: Dotel or Herrera, Holland Davis, But we do feel like 393 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 4: there's arm talent there. I don't know if it's going 394 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: to be a big strikeout bullpen. We'll see how that evolves. 395 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: That's one of the things that we feel like Blade 396 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 4: Tedwell brings. And I think when you factor that in, 397 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: we're gonna have to play really really sound defense behind them. 398 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: So and I do think as a team we can 399 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: be one of the better defensive clubs in baseball. And 400 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: and and that's something I think will improve upon, you know, 401 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 4: versus what we've seen in the first thirteen games. 402 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 5: Zach, you know that we can't let you go without 403 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 5: asking a question about Bryce Eldridge. You guys made the 404 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 5: decision to have him start this year down in Triple A. 405 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 5: His first home run of the season last night in Sacramento. 406 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 5: So what update can you give us from Bryce Oldridge 407 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 5: down in Sacramento. 408 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, just still some fine tuning. I think Bryce recognizes 409 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 4: it too, you know, offensively and defensively. Still feel like 410 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: his future is extremely gright. Still feel like he has 411 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: a chance to be an impactful player on the twenty 412 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 4: twenty six Giants. And and just just keep working, you know, 413 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: keep working and and and keep getting better both offensively 414 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 4: and defensively. I think he's made a lot of strides, 415 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 4: especially defensively. It's been great to see him get on 416 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: base at the rate he has in Triple A. You 417 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 4: know here early on and and you know, just continue 418 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: to challenge him. And he's the type of person and 419 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: the type of player that responds to challenge as well. 420 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: All right, Zach, Well, listen, it's always fun to go through. 421 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: By the way, Vick Barracoto hit home on last night too. 422 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: Keep it an eye on him, so did Gilbert also, Yeah. 423 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's been swinging well. It's been uh, I 424 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 4: think we've had organizational sweeps the last two days, so 425 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 4: our minor league teams have gotten off to great starts. 426 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 3: Okay, we'll keep an eye. We could go hours and 427 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: hours with you. We got to let you go. 428 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: You got a young kid, and we appreciate you hopping on. 429 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: And hey, like we said at the start, so much 430 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: better coming on after too straight wins, straight wins that 431 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: worked out well. 432 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. I told Tony early in the week I got 433 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 4: canned b R on Thursday, we better win a couple 434 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 4: of games. 435 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 3: Here, and he delivered. 436 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: Guys. There you go. Yeah, you guys were are amused 437 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: to win a couple of games, so appreciate. 438 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: You you did. 439 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: The gods were smiling. The gods were smiling. Zat, I 440 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: love it. Well, listen, have a great week. Are you 441 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: going on the trip to Baltimore or Cincinnati. 442 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: I'm going to meet the team in Cincinnati. Something that 443 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: we've started to do is have a little mid season 444 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 4: meeting with our amateur scouting group. So we'll get Michael 445 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 4: Holmes and his group will kind of give us a 446 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 4: rundown of how things are looking, all things amateur scouting 447 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 4: for the draft and and all these things. They come 448 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 4: up on us before we know it. So it'll be 449 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: great to meet with that. 450 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: Marcus and I. 451 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: You can send Marcus and I the zoom link and 452 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: we will let chime in. 453 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: How's that sounds good? Sounds good? 454 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: All right, you'll get back. Don't call us, we'll call 455 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: you right all right, all right, have a great trip, Zach, 456 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, thanks. 457 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 4: Zach, Thanks guys, Thanks guys, take care all right. 458 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: Blowing up the clock and going along with Zack Manazzi 459 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: and on Esports Leader