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Speaker 1: It's the Ray Appleton Podcast from KMJ and kmjnow dot com.

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Speaker 1: Why did the President Unified Board of Trustees decide to

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Speaker 1: give itself a one hundred and fourteen percent pay raise?

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Speaker 1: Is this right? Is this just? Is it fair? I

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Speaker 1: mean it's always going to be sort of inherently suspect

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Speaker 1: when any sort of governmental body votes a pay raise

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Speaker 1: to itself. I remember this was a big controversy when

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Speaker 1: the City of Fresno City Council voted itself a pay raise.

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of in two minds of this, So

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Speaker 1: bear with me first is and by the way, John

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Speaker 1: Girardi filling in for Ray Appleton, I'm the executive director

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Speaker 1: So i'm kind of two minds of this thing with

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Speaker 1: with Presne unified so in, general it's very easy AND

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Speaker 1: i think kind of click baity to post a headline

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Speaker 1: Of California State assembly votes to increase its own. Salary

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Speaker 1: members Of congress vote to increase their own, Salary Fresno

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Speaker 1: County supervisors vote to increase their own. Salary City council

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Speaker 1: votes to increase its own. Salary it inherently strikes the

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Speaker 1: listener as this is self. Dealing who are these FatCat

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Speaker 1: politicians voting themselves a comfy existence on my? Dime blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Blah that it's easy to generate, headlines generate, heat generate,

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Speaker 1: sound and heat from, That and, yeah there might be

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Speaker 1: times when it's really, lame AND i think it can

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Speaker 1: actually lead to some bad governance things if you pay

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Speaker 1: government officials too. Much so like, take for, example The

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Speaker 1: california state. Legislature, california our state legislature is. WEIRD i

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Speaker 1: don't know how many people know, this but like if

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Speaker 1: you compare The california state legislature to, say The virginia

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Speaker 1: legislature or essentially like almost every other state legislature of

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Speaker 1: any other state in the. Country in most, states the

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Speaker 1: state legislature it's not a full time. Job it is

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Speaker 1: a part time. Job people who are state, lawmakers they

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Speaker 1: have normal jobs and they will go to the capital

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Speaker 1: for maybe a forty day long or two month long

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Speaker 1: legislative session and that's all they're. Doing they're done for the.

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Speaker 1: Year Like, virginia The virginia which is you, Know virginia

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Speaker 1: is not a tiny. State it's got a lot of

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Speaker 1: people In Northern, VIRGINIA dc. Suburbs richmond is is you,

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Speaker 1: know big growing population. Area virginia's whole legislative session start

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Speaker 1: to finish last forty days and forty days they're all,

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Speaker 1: done passing all their laws for the. Year Whereas california

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Speaker 1: are state, legislators it's a year round effort to pass

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Speaker 1: some of the worst, laws the stupidest, laws the most

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Speaker 1: poorly formulated, laws the craziest laws in the, country going

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Speaker 1: from Like december through the end Of august or Mid,

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Speaker 1: september depending on whether it's an election year or. Not

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Speaker 1: so it's a year round position In. California and as,

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Speaker 1: Such california state lawmakers get paid. More they're paid a

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Speaker 1: full time. SALARY i think it's State assembly members of state.

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Speaker 1: Senators they make something like one hundred and thirty grand

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Speaker 1: a year plus they get a per, diem which leads

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Speaker 1: to some real hilarious. Stuff, basically state, lawmakers they they

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Speaker 1: wind up like arriving In sacramento Late monday so they

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Speaker 1: can get The monday per, diem and then they barely

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Speaker 1: check In thursday to get The thursday per diem before

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Speaker 1: they fly home to their district for the, weekend so

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Speaker 1: or drive home for the. Weekend so it's like they're

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Speaker 1: trying to extract the absolute most per diam money out

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Speaker 1: of the absolute fewest days. Worked so a lot of

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Speaker 1: money can lead to sort of bad pathologies as it

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Speaker 1: comes to like how you are doing your job as

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Speaker 1: a government, official whether you're a state lawmaker or in

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Speaker 1: this case we're talking About President unified and it's board of.

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Speaker 1: Trustees now on the flip, side there's this AND i

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Speaker 1: think this was an issue with The President City. Council

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Speaker 1: just a couple years. Ago President City council voted to

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Speaker 1: bump up their pay from what was clearly like a

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Speaker 1: part time job salary TO i think it was something

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Speaker 1: around sixty or eighty thousand. Bucks and there is all

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Speaker 1: this pushback from the public Of President City council trying

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Speaker 1: to vote itself more. Money All, right The Fresno City

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Speaker 1: council is administering an, entity The city Of, fresno with

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Speaker 1: a budget of over a billion. DOLLARS i, know it's

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Speaker 1: not an exact one to one comparison to compare that

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Speaker 1: with a private sector gig overseeing a business that's worth

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Speaker 1: a billion. Dollars but if you had a private sector,

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Speaker 1: its you, know top eight. Executives certainly you'd pay them

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Speaker 1: more than one hundred thousand dollars a. Year and it's

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Speaker 1: also a thing of, well if you only Pay Fresno

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Speaker 1: City council members like kind of a part time, salary

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Speaker 1: and it's effectively a full time. JOB i, mean there's

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Speaker 1: more and more work that's being put On Fresno City

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Speaker 1: council members to the point where it's it's becoming more

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Speaker 1: and more like a full time. Job and it's hard

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Speaker 1: for people to have businesses on the side while they're

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Speaker 1: also working as A Fresno City council, member to the

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Speaker 1: point where, well, okay you'll either need to hire people

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Speaker 1: who are already like independently wealthy or are retired from

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Speaker 1: their business or sold their business or, something or that's.

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Speaker 1: It and also it's a thing of, look if you

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Speaker 1: want to get someone who's a really successful, businessman a

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Speaker 1: really successful, lawyer really, successful disc really, successful that you

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Speaker 1: got to compensate them at a certain kind of level

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Speaker 1: that makes it somewhat. Attractive SO i didn't necessarily mind

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Speaker 1: when The Fresno City council increased their salary as well

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Speaker 1: as you, know it was ALSO i think kind of

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Speaker 1: ridiculous there were some members of The Fresno County board

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Speaker 1: as supervisors criticizing that move at the time When Fresno

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Speaker 1: county supervisors are making more than any other local. Politician

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Speaker 1: being a county supervisor In california is the sweetest gig

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Speaker 1: you can get because you, make LIKE i think it's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty grand a year or somewhere in that.

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Speaker 1: Ballpark you have no term, limits you often and you

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Speaker 1: don't have as many controversial things to vote on as

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Speaker 1: say A Fresnoe City council member, does, So i'd, say

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Speaker 1: and you don't have to travel To sacramento like a

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Speaker 1: state assembly, member a state senator. Does. So, yeah being

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Speaker 1: a county supervisor is the most plumb gig SO i

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Speaker 1: thought it was kind of ironic the county supervisors Criticizing

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Speaker 1: city Of fresno council members for voting for their pay

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Speaker 1: increases when the county supervisors are doing just, fine thank

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Speaker 1: you very. Much but now this brings us to The

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Speaker 1: Fresne Unified board Of. Trustees so they're voting to increase

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Speaker 1: their salary to around fifty four thousand. Dollars by my

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Speaker 1: prior principles of, saying, look if you want to attract good,

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Speaker 1: people if this job is approaching something like a full time,

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Speaker 1: job then you do have to pay people, more especially

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Speaker 1: if you want to attract intelligent people who are able

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Speaker 1: to do a good job and not restrict it purely

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Speaker 1: to the pool of either people who are already wealthy

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Speaker 1: You the thing, is, gosh that's hard to swallow when

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Speaker 1: it comes To Fresno. Unified it's just hard to swallow

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a school district that puts forward

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Speaker 1: bond measure after bond measure after bond measure to spend

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Speaker 1: five hundred, million five hundred, million five hundred, million with

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Speaker 1: just pumping out results that are just bad where this

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Speaker 1: huge majority of their students don't read at an appropriate

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Speaker 1: reading level by their own, metrics by The state Of

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Speaker 1: california's own, metrics they're not reading up to grade. Level

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Speaker 1: it's seventy percent, rates you, know something like, that massive.

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Speaker 1: Majorities they're not doing math up to grade. Level and

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Speaker 1: even when you, like you, Know i'm not Saying Close

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Speaker 1: Unified School district is the greatest school district That god

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Speaker 1: ever conceived or. Anything AND i think Sometimes Clovise unified

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Speaker 1: partisans sort of make it out to be too. Great

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Speaker 1: they think the ghost Of Saint Duc buchanan still hovers

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Speaker 1: Over Close, unified protecting it from all, ills all, evil

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Speaker 1: all liberal malign. Influence and by the, Way Clothes unified

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Speaker 1: is going to become a lot more Like Fresne unified

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Speaker 1: over the next twenty years than the other way. Around

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Speaker 1: can mark my words on. That but even when you

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Speaker 1: compare How Close unified does with kids within lower socioeconomic

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Speaker 1: brackets as opposed To Fresnew, unified and like the actual,

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Speaker 1: outcomes they're doing. Better SO i don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: just it's a timing, thing like, hey maybe we should

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Speaker 1: Have Presnew unified demonstrate some slightly better results over the

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Speaker 1: next five or ten. Years you, Know Misty hurr just

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Speaker 1: started At fresne unified as. Superintendent maybe we give, them you,

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Speaker 1: know five or ten, years see if we can bump

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Speaker 1: up our reading. Results institute more phonics based, programs reading

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Speaker 1: science based. Programs Of california is now sheepishly starting to

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Speaker 1: adopt After mississippi made everyone in the country look like

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Speaker 1: morons by just, hey you know what works. Phonics maybe

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Speaker 1: we can demonstrate some improved results, first then maybe we

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Speaker 1: talk about increasing. Salaries BECAUSE i, mean at a certain,

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Speaker 1: level you govern by the consent of the. Governed pretty

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Speaker 1: basic principle here in The United, states you governed by

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Speaker 1: the consent of the. Governed And i'd have to imagine

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Speaker 1: if you're a president unified, voter, taxpayer you're looking at

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Speaker 1: the results from this district and you're probably thinking to, Yourself,

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Speaker 1: EH i don't, KNOW i don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: worth spending all this more. MONEY i just don't. KNOW

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Speaker 1: i don't know that this is worth. Giving rewarding these

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Speaker 1: people with more pay is really worth. IT i think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a tough. SELL i get. It it's

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Speaker 1: reasonable to pay public officials. More but that's just gonna

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Speaker 1: be a real tough. Sell John, Doirardi, Infra Ray Appleton. Today,

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Speaker 1: Hey today's daily buzz. Question Starting february, First Fresian unified

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Speaker 1: trustees will get a one hundred and thirteen percent pay

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Speaker 1: raise of fifty four thousand dollars per. Year is it

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Speaker 1: well deserved or? Not that's The Daily buzz question sponsored

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Speaker 1: By closets By. Design all, right LET'S i got the

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Speaker 1: numbers in front of me. Here these are the test

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Speaker 1: scores where they do the standard standardized testing throughout the

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Speaker 1: state Of. California they publish the results by school district

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Speaker 1: and it's based on two, Categories reading and writing and.

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Speaker 1: Arithmetic all, right so those are the two categories Basically

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Speaker 1: English Language Arts math twenty twenty. Five so this is

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Speaker 1: the most updated results In Fresno. Unified sixty almost you,

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Speaker 1: know round. Down i'll give them some grace. Here sixty

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Speaker 1: two Point i'll give the exact. Whatever sixty two point

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Speaker 1: eight nine percent of kids In Fresnew unified school districts

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Speaker 1: are at minimal or developing levels for Their English Language.

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Speaker 1: Arts that means that almost sixty three percent of kids

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Speaker 1: In Fresne unified are sub par when it comes to

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Speaker 1: reading and. Writing with, math it's. Worse seventy two point

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent of kids In Fresne unified are at

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Speaker 1: minimal or developing levels with their, math so again subpar

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Speaker 1: by The state Of california's own. Metrics so you send

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Speaker 1: your kid To Fresnew, unified there is a seventy three

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Speaker 1: percent chance that that kid isn't gonna Learn diddley about,

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Speaker 1: math or at the very, least is going to be

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Speaker 1: under grade level under, par there is a almost sixty

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Speaker 1: three percent chance they're not going to learn Diddy they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be undergrade level with. Reading, now it seems that

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Speaker 1: the trend is going in a better. Direction in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two sixty seven percent of kids we're at minimal

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Speaker 1: or developing levels sixty six, percent and twenty three sixty five,

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Speaker 1: percent twenty four sixty two percent twenty twenty, five we're

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Speaker 1: moving in a better. Direction same with. Math twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: two seventy nine percent of kids deficient in, math seventy

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Speaker 1: six percent of kids in twenty three seventy four, percent

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Speaker 1: exactly what A Clovis city council member. Makes it's a public,

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Speaker 1: For Clovis. Unified and, Again i'm not one of these people, who's,

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Speaker 1: like you, know bleeding blue and gold For Clovis. Unified

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Speaker 1: like you, KNOW i don't Think Cloes unified is the

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Speaker 1: greatest thing since sliced. Bread the highly. Acclaimed my parents

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Speaker 1: means you guys are claiming it so inherently of course

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Speaker 1: it's highly. Acclaimed the people want to sell expensive, houses

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Speaker 1: you're acclaiming. It but here are the test results For Close.

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Speaker 1: Unified In Clovis. Unified it's almost the flip From Presnew,

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Speaker 1: unified where instead of In Fresnew, unified sixty two percent

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Speaker 1: of kids are at minimal or, developing so subpar levels

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Speaker 1: With english. Language In Fresne, unified it's the. Flip sixty

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Speaker 1: REQUEST i don't. Know i'm not one of these people

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Speaker 1: that's like reflexively hostile each and every time to someone

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Speaker 1: i get. It you put in a lot of, work

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Speaker 1: you want to attract talented people to run for public.

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Speaker 1: people you should pay them, fairly you, know certainly give

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Speaker 1: them pay increases proportionate to cost of living. Increases LIKE

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Speaker 1: is it's a hard sell to make when, yes are they, Improving,

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Speaker 1: how can we know that? Homeschool AND i say this

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Speaker 1: Kidsids you, know how can we know that these homeschoolers

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Speaker 1: hobbit to try and read to read. It she's reading

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Speaker 1: dad let me make my little pitch for. Homeschooling this

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