1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: It's the Ray Appleton Podcast from KMJ and kmjnow dot com. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: Always love having this guy on. Congressman Tom McClintock joins 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: us now from on the other side of the country, 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: and Tom, great to have you understand. You might have 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: to leave a little bit early though, but you got 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: to vote at the bottom of the hour possibly yeah. 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well we've got about fifteen minutes after that, 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: so we should be fined. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're going to be good. Well, I wanted 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: to lay this on you, and I'm sure you're probably 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: already aware of it. You have a colleague, I'm sure 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: he's not by the name of Jerry Nadler out of 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: New York. Did you hear his comment about this disturbing 14 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: scenario where it would be totally justified in his book 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: for somebody to kill an ice officer. Has that been 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: run by you yet? Well? 17 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: The Attorney general of Arizona, a radical leftist democrat, said 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 3: essentially the same thing several days ago. This is really 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: getting out of hand. 20 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Yep. 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: These are not you know, crackpots pontificating on the internet. 22 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: These are elected officials. A state attorney general in Arizona 23 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: and the former Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler, 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: and I don't know where all this is going, but 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: it is certainly inciting a very gullible, very emotional, lunatic fringe. 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: And it's not going to end well if this continues. 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: No, it's not. And part of the problem, I think 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: you have to clear my voice there now, but golden 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: tones are back. Part of the problem is what's happening 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: sort of unattended in Minnesota. You know, there's got to 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: be a point where this governor up there is forced 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: to come clean on what may be the biggest ripoff 33 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: of the American taxpayer in history. Let alone, maybe even 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 2: here in California could be worse with this particular governor 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: of ours. But it seems like there's got to be 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: some kind of pressure to be put on the administration 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: in that particular state to say, Okay, let's have it 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: now or else. I mean, I'm sure you'd be for 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: something like that. I know the President is. 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: There's a very bright line between peaceful assembly, which is 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: a guaranteed right under our Constitution, and obstruction of justice 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: and conspiracy to obstruct justice. All that Ice is doing 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: is enforcing the laws that Congress has written. If you 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: don't like those laws, you convince the Congress to change 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: those laws. You don't obstruct their enforcement. That's the difference 46 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: between a country that abides by the rule of law 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: and one that abides by the rule of the mob. 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: And as Abraham Lincoln said century and a half ago, 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 3: there is no grievance that is a fit object for 50 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 3: redress by mob law. And yet that's that's not only 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: what we're seeing in these sanctuary jurisdictions. We're now hearing 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: it from elected officials. That starts to harken back to 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 3: the days that led up to the Civil War, where Confederates, 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: Southern governors, and other officials were directly challenging the supremacy 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: of the federal government over issues that are clearly reserved 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: to the federal government under our constitution and that simply 57 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: can't be allowed. 58 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: Congressman McLintock, is there anything that ever can be done 59 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: to get rid of this whole term sanctuary state? I mean, 60 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: this has gone on way too long, and the damaging, 61 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: the damage is getting worse and worse with these these 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: states that are hiding under this sort of umbrella. It 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: seems to me that there's got to be something somewhere, somehow, 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: some way within the Constitution or whatever to do away 65 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: with this crap. 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: Well, what we're seeing is revival of the doctrine and 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: all the vacation, which was first propounded by John C. 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: Calhoun became the foundation of the uh uh Southern Confederacy, 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: and it's the notion that a local jurisdiction or state 70 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: that doesn't like a federal law doesn't need to recognize 71 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 3: that federal law. And when it was first propounded by Calhoun, 72 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: the president was Andrew Jackson, and he threatened to raise 73 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 3: an army and send it down to South Carolina, where 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: the governor there was was uh propounding this new theory, 75 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: threatened to hang him. So I don't think we're going 76 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: to go that far, but I I do think that this, 77 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: this doctrine that we all thought had died with the 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: Confederacy needs to be discredited and it it it needs 79 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: to be dropped by the people who are propounding it. 80 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: Well that that is a very interesting historical point. Wow, 81 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, it was. 82 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: It's called the nullification crisis of it erupted over a 83 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: question by the way, involving tariffs. But it was the 84 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 3: same doctrine that hey, we don't have to follow federal 85 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: law if we don't like it. 86 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: Speaking of tariffs, this this whole you know, thing that 87 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: the President did that Democrats and everybody else thought for 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: sure was going to backfire, blow up in his face. 89 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: It hasn't done that. Where do you stand on his 90 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: position with these tariffs. 91 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: Well, that's the one area where I do disagree with that, 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: I know you yeah, And and and the reason. First 93 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: of all, the economic reforms that he has put into 94 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: place far far outshine any damage the tariffs are doing. 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: And you know, all the apopocalyptic predictions we heard from 96 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: the left that that he was going to crash the economy, 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: Well it's been exactly the opposite. It's not because of 98 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: the tariffs. It's despite the tariffs. It's because of the 99 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 3: enormous tax and regulatory relief that the President's put into place, 100 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: a lot of it enacted through the Big Beauty Full Bill, 101 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: which not only prevented a huge tax increase on Americans. 102 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: An average family and are district be paying about twenty 103 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: five hundred dollars more in taxes this year if the 104 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: Democrats had gotten their way. But in addition to that 105 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: it provided additional tax relief for working families who depend 106 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: upon tips or over time senior citizens, parents with children, 107 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: enormous tax relief that people are now going to start 108 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: feeling as they begin to file their twenty twenty five 109 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: taxes and then begin adjusting therewithholding, they're going to see 110 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: more in their paychecks. All of that plus the regulatory relief. 111 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: I mean, we're watching energy prices nationally declined. They're increasing 112 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 3: in California because of some very specific policies that Gavin 113 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: Newsom is en acting in Californi, but nationally we're seeing 114 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: them decline rather dramatically. So there's an enormous amount of 115 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 3: economic growth that I think's goun to be taking place 116 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: next year. And the point I've made is when you're 117 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: trying to accelerate, it doesn't make any sense to also 118 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: tap the brakes. And the tariffs are a break, they 119 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: are an attax. They reduce the availability per dollar of 120 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: whatever it is you're applying a terror for and they 121 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: simply don't work. And we know that down through history 122 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: because we tried them in the second Jefferson administration that 123 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: was the Embargo Act of eighteen oh seven. We tried 124 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: it at the end of the John Quincy Adams administration. 125 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: Those were the terriff Abominations of eighteen twenty eight, which 126 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: not only swept John Quincy Adams from office but utterly 127 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: destroyed the Federalist Party. And we saw it again with 128 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: Smooth Hawley that turned the teen twenty nine recession into 129 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: the depression of the nineteen thirties. 130 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: Wow. I love your command of history. 131 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: But again that has to be viewed in the context 132 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: of the very positive things the administration has done. And 133 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: so I would say that with or without the tariffs, 134 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: we're going to see significant economic expansion this next year 135 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: and people are going to be feeling it. It could 136 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: be even better without the tariffs. 137 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: In my view. 138 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: You and I have a friend and a guy by 139 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: the name of Steve Hilton. Yes, I've been working with 140 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: him for three or four years now, and you're a 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: big supporter of his run for governor. And the debate 142 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: last night was like seventy percent plus of the individuals 143 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: tuning in thought he walked away with it. He's you know, 144 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: leading in the polls, He's raised more money than anybody else. 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: It's almost beginning to look like he's going to be 146 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: the next governor. 147 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, I certainly hope so. I know we've had 148 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: a very strong case to be made. I mean, what 149 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: has happened to California. We've talked about this before. It's 150 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 3: happened wherever the Left takes control. You see exactly the 151 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: same of economic and social pathologies. You see sky high taxes, 152 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: failing schools, rising crime, rampant homelessness. You see chronic shortages 153 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: and price increases for basic necessities everything from housing to electricity, 154 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: to gasoline to water. You see failing businesses and ultimately 155 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: families fleeing. And that's not just true for California, that's 156 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: true wherever the Left is taken control. I mean, look 157 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: what's happening in Illinois and New York. You know, look 158 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: at what's happening to some of our greatest cities like Detroit, 159 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: Baltimore and Saint Louis and Washington, d C. New York 160 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,239 Speaker 3: City under Mondani, and of course close to home, San Francisco. 161 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: Wherever the Left takes control, you see all of these 162 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: pathologies within a decade or so of their ascendants. And 163 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: that's just what they do. This is what they produce. 164 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: It doesn't work and yet people keep voting for it. 165 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: I've never been able to quite to understand that. But 166 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: there comes a point where things get bad enow people 167 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: begin to focus their attention, they start to think things 168 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: through very carefully, and they start making good decisions again. 169 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: And certainly California is overdue for some good decisions by 170 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: the voters after the many years of bad decisions they've 171 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: made that have now caused an unprecedented population exodus out 172 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 3: of California. I mean, my family moved here in the 173 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: nineteen sixties, when California was truly the Golden State. It 174 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: had the lowest unemployment rate in the country. It was growing, 175 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: it was prosperous. We had the finest public school system 176 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: in the country. We had the finest university system in 177 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: the world. We had the finest highway system in the country. 178 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: We were producing electricity and water so cheaply that many 179 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 3: communities didn't even meter their water, and there was talk 180 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 3: about getting away with electricity meters because the stuff was 181 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: becoming so cheap you didn't really need to meter it. 182 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: That's what was going on in the nineteen sixties, and 183 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 3: you fast forward to today. The state hasn't changed. The 184 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: only thing has changed is public policy. And now we're 185 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 3: looking at Mississippi schools absolutely cleaning a California's clock when 186 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: it comes to education. Look at the chronic congestion we 187 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: now suffer on California freeways. I mean, you can go 188 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: down the long list of quality of life issues. Something 189 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: fundamental changed in California and it had nothing to do 190 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: with nature. It had everything to do with government hate. 191 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: That's the truth. Congressman Tom McClintock is with us again 192 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: on KMJAY. Always a pleasure, and some questions about tariffs 193 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: from the audience. Joe, go ahead, you're on the air, 194 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: Congressman's listing. What's on your mind? Hi? 195 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: Oh yes, it's actually two questions. So first one was 196 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: with the tariffs. Why do we normalize that tariffs has 197 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 5: to you pass down to the consumer. We've seen for 198 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 5: I think it was they said, like, you know, they're 199 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 5: going to get the tariffs, but they're not going to 200 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 5: put it onto us. And also like, well like Arizona 201 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 5: another company that you know the I that they kept 202 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 5: their prices the same, and it said they're billionaires and 203 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 5: millionaire you know got maybe you know, less money. It 204 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 5: shouldn't just automatically go down. It's not tariffs have to 205 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: go down to the consumer, it's the company that actually 206 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 5: too the right. 207 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, no, your your points well taken. A tariff is 208 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: a tax, and it's a tax on imports on business, 209 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: and business taxes can only be paid in one of 210 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: three ways. They're either paid by consumers through higher prices, 211 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: they're paid by employees through lower wages, or they're paid 212 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 3: by investors through lower earnings. That's you're four h one k. 213 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: There's no other way for a business tax, like a tariff, 214 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: to be paid. It's got to be a combination of 215 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: those three different ways. So yeah, some of it falls 216 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: on the consumer, some of it falls on the employees, 217 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: some of it falls on the investors. But what it 218 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: does is to make whatever you're applying the tariff for 219 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: more scarce. You know, for example, suppose you can buy 220 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: a widget for a dollar from Canada, but two dollars 221 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: in the United States. So what do we do. We 222 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: slap a one dollar tariff on Canadian widgets to level 223 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: the playing field. Well what if we just done. What 224 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 3: we've just done is to cut the supply of widgets 225 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: available to American consumers literally by half per dollar of 226 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: that creates scarcity out of abundance. Or to put it 227 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: another way, if we really want to screw over another 228 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: country without actually bombing it, what do we do? We 229 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 3: apply economic sanctions. What is an economic sanction? It is 230 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: an impediment against that country's ability to import products. What 231 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: is a tariff? A tariff is an impediment on our 232 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: country's ability to import products. Why would we do to 233 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: ourselves something that we only reserve for our worst enemies. 234 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: Nearly two hundred years ago, Frederick back Yet wrote to 235 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: Essays on Free Trade, and one of the points he 236 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: made is, look at all of the resources that we 237 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: put into building bridges across great canyons, building railroad systems, 238 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: building ports and ships for transoceanic crossings. Why do we 239 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: do all of that? It is for one reason only. 240 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 3: It is to overcome the obstacles that nature has placed 241 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: in our past to trade with each other. Well, having 242 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: having done all that, why would we then turn around 243 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: and impose artificial obstacles on the same trade. It makes 244 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: no sense at all. It never has. 245 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: Joe, you got more real quick. 246 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you for explaining. That's a great thing, 247 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 5: So it doesn't have to go only to the consumers, 248 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 5: like you said, hire us. My second question though, was 249 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 5: with all these politicians, you know, governor city people at 250 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: this advocating for violence. You know, why are they not 251 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: held accountaball you know, rse that happened ain't to happen 252 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 5: that they're not charged with these when they're saying to 253 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 5: go ahead and fight, Like Tim Walls can close his 254 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 5: eyes saying peaceful protests, people protests, but there was never 255 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: once any people protests. Throwing objects in not peaceful protests. 256 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 5: Why can these people not be held accountable for their actions? Well, 257 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 5: probably on the same exact thing. 258 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: Right, there's a fine line between freedom of speech and incitement. 259 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: Uh and the Supreme Court has defined incitement under very 260 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: narrow terms. Uh and I and I think that that's 261 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: the proper distinction to make you you have to be 262 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: inciting a group for immediate of of violence or immediate 263 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: illegal activity. Uh And I don't think that Tim Walls 264 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: or the other politicians have actually crossed that line. What 265 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: they have done is to deliberately uh, inflame a very gullible, 266 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: very emotionally unstable of group on the lunatic fringe that 267 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: are that that that are now reacting to that rhetoric. 268 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 3: Now they have the right, they have the right under 269 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: the First Amendment to to spew that rhetoric, but they 270 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: also need to be held to account by public opinion 271 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 3: and and and the votes of the public casts in 272 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: response to this behavior. 273 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Uh. 274 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: Now there is one other thing, though, and that is 275 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: I do think there's an investigation going on right now 276 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: into whether there is a an actual conspiracy to obstruct justice. 277 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: If there, if, if that is discovered, that can. 278 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: Be acted upon the Supreme Court. Earlier today, I don't 279 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: know if you've heard or not, Congressman went along with 280 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: this prop fifty in the state of California, giving Gavin 281 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: Newsom then on his extra seats. How do you feel 282 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: about that? 283 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: I think it's tragic. I hadn't heard they'd finally yeaht 284 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: it on that. Well, it it comes down to this. 285 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: You know, in the last election, Republicans won forty of 286 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: the votes cast for Congress across California. They're fifty two 287 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: congressional seats. So if the proportion of seats equal the 288 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: proportion of votes, California Republicans would have about twenty one 289 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: twenty seats or so in the congressional delegation. Currently we 290 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 3: have nine. What this Gavin Mander does is to take 291 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: it down to four, which essentially disenfranchises virtually every Republican 292 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: voter in California. That is not democracy. That's the opposite 293 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: of democracy. And I do think that Gavin Newsom is 294 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: going to be I have a very hard time explaining 295 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: how he's defending democracy having produced this kind of abomination. 296 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: More questions, David, your next, you're on there. 297 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 4: Yes, So my question for mister mcquin talk is on 298 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 4: the tariff. He said, always want is free trade, but 299 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 4: a lot of these countries impose tariffs on us. To me, 300 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 4: true free trade is no tariff. 301 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, I agree completely. No. Our objective should 302 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 3: be zero tariffs, zero subsidies, and zero non tariff barriers. 303 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 3: But if a country is making it harder for its 304 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 3: consumers to buy products, yes, that hurts our exporters, that's true, 305 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: But our exporters can export to other countries as well. 306 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: What they're really doing is hurting their own consumers and 307 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: hurting their own economy. That's been the case of tariffs 308 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 3: down through the centuries. I mean, this is not a 309 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: new subject. It's been tried and debated for centuries and 310 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: it always produces the same results, is Yah said. It 311 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: creates a scarcity from abundance. You know, it's it's you know, 312 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 3: to think about it this way. It's it's it's very 313 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 3: hard to grow bananas in Washington State, but it's and 314 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: it's very harder to grow apples in Honduras. Doesn't it 315 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 3: make sense to grow the bananas and Honduras grow the 316 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: apples in Washington State and then trade this abundance, uh, 317 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: rather than try to protect Washington State banana growers from 318 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: competition from Honduras. I mean, it just it makes no sense, 319 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: and every country that's tried it eventually abandons them. The 320 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: problem is we don't seem to learn from our mistakes. 321 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: Congress McClintock joining us again, and this next question, I 322 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: think I'm gonna like this little Uh. Well, Katie, go ahead, 323 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: you're on the air. 324 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Hi, Ray, Hi, Congressman. I'm deeply concerned about 325 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: the laborts are showing up like in Rey, in Las Vegas. 326 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if these aren't sleeper shells shells. They're showing 327 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: up all across the nation, And is Congress going to 328 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: do something about investigating this I'm. 329 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: Sorry what I missed that word? What was it? 330 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: What was for go ahead, Katie, I didn't ask that again, Okay. 331 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm deeply concerned about the labs, especially the whin they're 332 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: showing up in Reley, the labs, and also the win 333 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: in lass STAG. I feel that these could be sleeper 334 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: cells that may maybe planted all across the United States 335 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: and there may be some real problems. They are connected 336 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: to China, and I'm just wondering if Congress is going 337 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: to do anything about investigating this. 338 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think the administration actually is investigating. In fact, 339 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: I just met an hour ago with the Inspector General 340 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: for the Department of Homeland Securities just issued report detailing 341 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: how twelve million visas were granted between twenty and twenty 342 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: four with absolutely no vetting whatsoever. We have They were 343 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: allowed into the country on visas legally, but without any 344 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: kind of vetting as the law requires, so we know 345 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: absolutely nothing about them. We know, we don't even know 346 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: how many of them are still in the country. Uh. 347 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: You know, that's a real concern. I mean when when 348 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 3: when we allowed uh uh tens of millions of illegals 349 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: into the country virtually no vetting. Uh, you're you're going 350 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: to have a portion of that population. Uh that is 351 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: uh means us harm uh And we don't have any 352 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 3: idea the extent of that, but you know that I 353 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 3: know that that is a serious concern of the administration 354 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: has been for some time. 355 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: Todd, you're on King Mjay, go right ahead. It's all yours. 356 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for taking my call. This this landscape we 357 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 6: have where there's just such an imbalance, I mean, is 358 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 6: ever going to change? Is it just always going to 359 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 6: be a mass superior the Democrat controlled state because this 360 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 6: is you can't sustain the They just sit around and 361 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 6: think a ways of taxing people. 362 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 7: I'm sitting here, Well. 363 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: Go ahead, I'll just say until they run out of 364 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: people to tax. And Margaret Thatsher said the problem with 365 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: socialisms they keep running out of other people's money. Well, 366 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: you're seeing a massive exitus out of California now. Uh. 367 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 3: It used to be just the middle class. The middle 368 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: class was getting squeezed out. Now it's also the top 369 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: income producer, that top one percent. Those you know, those 370 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: awful billionaires who, by the way, pay about half of 371 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: all state income taxes. Well now they're leaving and that's 372 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 3: going to It just takes a few of them to 373 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 3: leave before you've got a big dent in your revenues. 374 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: But no, what has bothered me for some time is 375 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: that I used to think that if things got bad 376 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: enough people people would wise up, they'd start paying attention, 377 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 3: they start making good decisions. And I still think that's 378 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 3: going to happen. But the problem is that there comes 379 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: a point when things get bad enough. There comes a 380 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: point where it's just a lot easier to move to 381 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 3: another state. And that's what Californians have been doing. Now 382 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: for the past ten or twenty years, we've had about 383 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 3: a net of three million more people move out of 384 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: California than have moved in in the past decade. And 385 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: that transcellery, and most of the people who are leaving 386 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: California know why they're leaving. Texas Tribune to the survey 387 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 3: of California IF Patriots a few years ago, discovered by 388 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: Tootle and marginary Republicans. So you enter this negative feedback 389 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: loop where the more good people leave, the worst things get. 390 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: The worst things get the more good people leave. And 391 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: I've often wondered if we're simply on a path to 392 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: becoming this gigantic Detroit with better weather. The one thing 393 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 3: that gives me hope yet is the fact that we've 394 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: based our entire form of government on the assumption that 395 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: when people are paying attention, more than half of them 396 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: will get it right more than half of the time. 397 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: And that law of averages ought to be swinging California 398 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: back at some point in the near future, and perhaps 399 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: it will be this election. I do know that the 400 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: economists are predicting because of policies specific to the left 401 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: wing administrations of Gavin Newsom and Jerry Brown before him, 402 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: We're expecting to see about eight dollars gasoline per gallon 403 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 3: by the summer. At the same time, nationally, it may 404 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 3: be down as low as two percent if that If 405 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: that happens, I think that's going to be a graduate 406 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: level course for Californians and the damage that socialism can 407 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: do to their quality of life. Maybe that will be 408 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: the revelation that will will create a political epiphany in California. 409 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: I do think that our fundamental assumptions of democracy are correct. 410 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 3: People are rational, They will ultimately make the right decisions. 411 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: As Churchill said, Americans can always be called upon and 412 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: make the right decision after his exhausted every other alternative. 413 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: I think California is reaching that point. 414 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites. I wanted to get to 415 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: this today, and it looks like I'm going to be 416 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: able to what the President did in grabbing Maduro out 417 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: of Venezuela. A very bad actor. But some people think 418 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: he went a little too far. Your thoughts, and I'd 419 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: say he Donald Trump went a little too far and 420 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 2: grabbing him Your. 421 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 3: Thoughts, well, well, first of all, that's all been adjudicated 422 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: through the courts, and he was clearly acting within his 423 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: legal authority. But I had the same I had the 424 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 3: same reaction when Obama attacked Libya that that was beyond 425 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: the inherent powers of the president. Obama was actually sued 426 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 3: over that. The course ruled, no, that's within his inherent powers. 427 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm not comfortable with the president initiating 428 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: any kind of billy terry action without provocation and without 429 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: an Act of Congress. But the courts have been very 430 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 3: clear that the president does have that limited authority, and 431 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 3: so I don't think he can be faulted. And the 432 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 3: fact matter is the result was a very good one 433 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 3: for America and for Venezuela. 434 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: All right, looks like I'll have time for one more 435 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: call here and then we'll have to pull the plug 436 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: on this. James, it's all yours. What are you going 437 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 2: to do with it? Hi? 438 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 7: Hi there, Thanks for taking my call, Sir. I was 439 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 7: as curious as to whether or not even if we 440 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 7: get a Republican governor of this time around, is it 441 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 7: even going to matter due to the Cryptocrats supermajority in 442 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 7: vitoproof majority in Sacramento. 443 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 3: Well, yes it will matter. Obviously. With the vitoproof majority 444 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 3: it won't matter as much. But there's a lot that 445 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: the governor can do with you know, again, the fundamental 446 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 3: architecture of both the federal and the state constitution is 447 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: the executive enforces law but cannot make it. The legislative 448 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 3: branch makes law but cannot enforce it. That's a very 449 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 3: important distinction. And the enforcement powers of the governor, you know, 450 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: give him considerable latitude in affecting policy. But you're right, 451 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: it's going to take more than just a Republican governor 452 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: to turn this state around. It's going to take many 453 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: years of remedial legislation to to undo the damage that 454 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 3: years of socialist policies have done to our state. 455 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: I want to give you a little time, sir, to 456 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 2: talk about things that you're currently working on for your 457 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: district or whatever. What do you got cooking well? 458 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I focus on budget issues because they're essential 459 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: to the country. I serve on the Budget Committee, I'm 460 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: on the Natural Resources to be because it's absolutely critical 461 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: to the district. And we're making significant progress. I think 462 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: in both we have been the spending curved down. We've 463 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: got an awful long ways to go, but where I 464 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 3: think we're starting to turn this ship around now. The 465 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 3: reforms that we got through the Big Beautiful Bill are 466 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: absolutely essential to economic growth, and I am very optimistic 467 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: that they're already starting to take effect. We're seeing that 468 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: in the statistics. People aren't feeling it yet for the 469 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: most part, but I think that by late spring, early 470 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: summer they will be feeling it. These policies are basically 471 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: Reaganomics on steroids, and I remember when the Reagan tax 472 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: cuts took effect. You could feel it. I mean, there 473 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 3: was a whole different atmosphere in the country, sense of relief, 474 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: a sense of optimism, and the policies of the Trump 475 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: administration are vastly exceed those of the Reagan administration, so 476 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic about that. And then on the natural 477 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: resources side, I think we're starting to turn the tide. 478 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 3: In fact, we're about to go vote on a bill 479 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: to a streamline the permitting for mining on federal lands. 480 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: I mean, if you think about it, everything in our lives, 481 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: everything that makes our lives comfortable, everything makes our lives possible, 482 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: is either mind or it's grown, and it's the environmental 483 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: left has waged war on our ability to mine things 484 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 3: and grow things for the past fifty years. We're starting 485 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: to turn that around. We're starting to get sound force 486 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: management policies back into into federal law. The Affix our 487 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: Forests Act, which includes my legislation to streamline permitting for 488 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: forest sitting projects, is now moving again in the Senate. 489 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: We've already passed it out of the House, so I 490 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: think we are making significant progress in those regards. 491 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: Congressman Maclay talk, always a pleasure. I love having you 492 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: on and we will catch you next time, and until then, 493 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: thank you, stay safe. 494 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: My pleasure. Ray, Thanks again for having me you take care. 495 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. Love that guy. It's boy is his 496 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: little lessons in history. Whoa. We get so much more 497 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 2: from him in the way of entertainment value, you know, 498 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 2: educational value. But yet at the same time, he's a 499 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: very active, hands on congressman. I'm working extremely hard for 500 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: his constituents and the United States of America. But the 501 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: way that he drags out history and we learned from 502 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: that every time he is on. All right, when we 503 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: come back, we're going to be banging on a lot 504 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: of sound bites from the gubernatorial debate last night from 505 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: Steve Hilton, from those who participated. We have other things 506 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: in the audio file to get through. Today. It's a 507 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: very big, gigantic, broad unusual day on the Ray Appleton Program, 508 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you're here today