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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the x R Earning postgame show, as we

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Speaker 1: welcome in a good friend of the show. He coached

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Speaker 1: with the San Francisco Giants, moved on to the Cleveland Guardians,

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Speaker 1: and now he's the bench coach with the New York

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Speaker 1: match Let's welcome in, Kay, correct, Kai, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Always good to hear your voice.

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Speaker 1: Boy, Kai, coming back into Oracle Park. You spent some

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Speaker 1: good years here, of course with Gabe Kapler. What do

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Speaker 1: you recall in those years?

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Speaker 3: So many fond memories. I think walking through the gate

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Speaker 3: yesterday and walking across the diamond. It's hard not to

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Speaker 3: think about that season with the with the one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seven wins and some of those great great races,

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Speaker 3: and watching some young players kind of mature and to

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Speaker 3: everyday players and stars like Webby. So so many fond

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Speaker 3: memories of my time in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ky, you moved over to Cleveland and you were

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Speaker 1: under Stephen Vote two times Manager of the Year. A

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Speaker 1: lot of good things happen in those two years you

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Speaker 1: how good of a manager is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Stephenville first and foremost it's just a really good person.

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Speaker 2: And so when you have really a.

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Speaker 3: Person who's a truly good person, who thinks about others

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Speaker 3: to thrive in any leadership role. And that was the

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Speaker 3: case for Voter managing the guards. What a great man

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Speaker 3: to work for, a great man to play for. And

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Speaker 3: so when you have somebody with that moral compass, it

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Speaker 3: makes it really easy for people to show up motivated

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Speaker 1: Well, some great things happened to you as the New

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Speaker 1: York Mets come call and Carlos Mendoza said, I want

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Speaker 1: a better defensive coach. They knocked on your door, they

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Speaker 1: made you an offer, and now you're a bench coach

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Speaker 1: with the New York Mets. But the one big thing,

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Speaker 1: you're a defensive coach, something that you love to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was a really exciting opportunity. Cleveland

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Speaker 3: was like a second home to me, having spent you know,

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Speaker 3: and I enjoyed working for Voter in that front office.

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Speaker 3: But the opportunity to go to major market and the

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Speaker 1: For you hearing the exter Learning post game show, my

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Speaker 1: good friend Kai Correa, Well, Kai, the red little pitching

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Speaker 1: machine came with you all the way from San Francisco

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Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Now with New York, you turn the pitching

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Speaker 1: machine over. Of course I watched it for many years

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Speaker 1: they enjoy it? And I know you love to perform it?

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Speaker 2: Go yeah, yeah, no.

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Speaker 3: It's been fun, fun kind of taking a lot of

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Speaker 1: Well, Kai, what I like about it is you use

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of it is old school, you know,

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Speaker 1: KAI communication is one of the keys that you do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the first and foremost it's about establishing history.

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Speaker 1: Kai balance is so important for infielders, and you talk

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the most difficult things that teaching

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Speaker 2: The workload that comes with a major league season?

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Speaker 3: And then how do you teach in game how you

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Speaker 2: But it's never linear.

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Speaker 3: You know you're going to like anything else in baseball,

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Speaker 3: You'll have your good days and your bad days, but

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Speaker 1: Ki Courage join me on the ex Learning postgame Show.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Mendoza a player that you've talked to many times.

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Speaker 1: Now he is a manager, and now you have to

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Speaker 1: Has that been a pretty relevant easy task for you?

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Speaker 3: It's the third major league manager that I've interfaced with,

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Speaker 3: Like in that regard, when you think about my time

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Speaker 2: You tell me how you like it.

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Speaker 3: At what pace, via text, via email, in person, phone call,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so many things you have to communicate with him,

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Speaker 1: I've always talked about in game preparation. In game, what

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Speaker 1: Are you watching this a game? You take game? Are

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Speaker 3: I like to prepare team to team one series ahead,

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Speaker 1: the ex Learning post game show. You mentioned a couple

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Speaker 1: your communication to them, how has that been? And you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm fortunate in the sense that now

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Speaker 3: and our guys are coming into it anticipating that I'm

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Speaker 3: M I try to be the same infield coach every day,

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Speaker 1: A couple more minutes with Kayi Kuran the ext earning

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Speaker 1: great job, every winner, you go back and do clinics

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gratitude, you know, thinking about all the people that

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I'm proud to put those events

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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at family, Kaive, you're a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it makes me feel proud, and it

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Speaker 1: Well, Kai, it's a pleasure always catching up with you,

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Speaker 1: my friend. We've had great conversations when you're with the

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Speaker 1: Giants and now you're with the Mets. At all I

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir. Pleasure to be on.

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Speaker 1: That was Kay Kra on the X Runing post game show.

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