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Speaker 1: since April tenth, and the last one happened in my neighborhood. Well,
Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time before the Brady Bunch
Speaker 1: house gets hit too. It's happened yet again. What's going
Speaker 1: on in the valley. The criminals are realizing how easy
Speaker 1: it is to get away with this. We don't have
Speaker 1: the kinds of surveillance that you see in other big
Speaker 1: cities like San Jose or even San Francisco or Oakland.
Speaker 1: The valley doesn't have flock cameras. We don't have license
Speaker 1: plate reading cameras. So they're casing these joints. They're figuring
Speaker 1: out who has money, and they're breaking in. This couple
Speaker 1: was out to dinner. They came back and the door
Speaker 1: was wide open and the house was sacked. Uh oh,
Speaker 1: so their electric bill is going to be huge too.
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Speaker 1: shall we because the new front runner on the Democratic
Speaker 1: side in the race for governor here in the state
Speaker 1: of California, Javier Bakaria, did a sit down with the
Speaker 1: one and only Ashley Zuvalla scrub it and I listen
Speaker 1: to the entire unedited thirty five minute interview and it
Speaker 1: did not go well. We're going to start it from
Speaker 1: the beginning. We're going to get to as much as
Speaker 1: we can, but we will definitely make sure by the
Speaker 1: end of this hour we play the Zavala question, which
Speaker 1: is great Gavin Newsom because it is a filibuster like
Speaker 1: you've never heard before. And he refused to answer. He
Speaker 1: said he was gonna answer, and then he didn't answer.
Speaker 1: But first let's see what's going on in the state
Speaker 1: of California. Here is Ashley Zabala on California Politics, three p.
Speaker 1: Sixty at Arizon KCRA three in Sacramento. It also airs
Speaker 1: on Fox eleven in Los Angeles and k TVU Fox
Speaker 1: two in the Bay.
Speaker 2: Abed Reshide, thank you so much for making time for us, Ashley.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: This is a hard job at a really hard time.
Speaker 2: Why do you want to be California governor?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: Yes? Seriously, why who would want this job at this point?
Speaker 3: Because it's a hard job and you need someone who's
Speaker 3: gone through these tough times and it knows what it's
Speaker 3: like to have to balance a big budget. Someone who
Speaker 3: knows what it's like to deal with emergencies, crises and
Speaker 3: how to get out of him, someone who knows how
Speaker 3: to fight.
Speaker 1: Just starting off with all the cliches, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like he's falling asleep as he's answering the question, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: He is a very low energy candidate.
Speaker 3: Someone who knows how to fight, and someone who knows
Speaker 3: how to win. I'm getting to do what my parents
Speaker 3: didn't have a chance to do, and that is live
Speaker 3: a life based on your dream. And I'm getting to
Speaker 3: do it with people who also want to see California thrive.
Speaker 3: So why not?
Speaker 2: California, though, is facing multi year money problems. If you know,
Speaker 2: whoever the next governor is is really going to have
Speaker 2: to deal with that. According to our state's legislative analysts
Speaker 2: budget experts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gavin is leaving you with a big ol' houl
Speaker 1: in the budget. And by the way, if California is
Speaker 1: in the hole that it's in, why didn't he do
Speaker 1: something about it. He was an assemblyman, he was a
Speaker 1: congressman from California. He was the Attorney General from California.
Speaker 1: He was the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Why
Speaker 1: at any point in the past did he not do
Speaker 1: something about all of these perennial problems.
Speaker 2: In really every side of the aisle At this point,
Speaker 2: the options that have been laid out are to either
Speaker 2: cut spending, cutstack programs, or race taxes.
Speaker 4: Which option do you see yourself choosing.
Speaker 3: Both?
Speaker 1: I'll have the combo platter please.
Speaker 3: You got to do a little bit of both. I
Speaker 3: had to do that when I was secretary at HHS
Speaker 3: in the midst of the worst pandemic.
Speaker 1: Wait, is that the right acronym? Because I thought you
Speaker 1: had a different job for Secretary of Health and Educations
Speaker 1: over I nominated Jabbier a BA Korea. Wasn't his name?
Speaker 1: Wasn't the job? Good job, Grampy Joe. And that was
Speaker 1: like the first month of the administration.
Speaker 3: In the midst of the worst pandemic any of us
Speaker 3: had ever seen. I had to save lives, manage a budget.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he is really putting himself on the cross
Speaker 1: every time he talks about COVID every single time.
Speaker 3: And do it without making cuts to the most essential programs.
Speaker 3: We were able to do that. We got the economy
Speaker 3: and the country out of COVID. It took a lot
Speaker 3: of work, but you have to do it with a
Speaker 3: mix of measures. And I think in the case of California,
Speaker 3: we'll need new revenue. And there are people who aren't
Speaker 3: paying their fair share.
Speaker 1: Never heard that before, by the way, within the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: and we know what a disaster that was across the board.
Speaker 1: When you listen to the Biden people, you read the
Speaker 1: books about the election, about the Biden administration, he is
Speaker 1: universally regarded within that circle as being the biggest bomb
Speaker 1: of all of the department heads. Who have to pay
Speaker 1: Pelosi tried to warn them, so he did.
Speaker 3: Who have to pay a little bit more. At the
Speaker 3: same time, we have to take a look at programs,
Speaker 3: as I had a look at programs when I was
Speaker 3: at HHS, and we had to make decisions on where
Speaker 3: to cut to make sure that we balanced our books.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned people needing to pay their fair share,
Speaker 2: So what does that look like. You're essentially saying you'd
Speaker 2: raise taxes on the wealthy in the state for.
Speaker 3: The most part. Yeah, I think of it this way.
Speaker 3: Not sure what bracket you're in, what tax bricket. All
Speaker 3: I know is that there are people who are paying doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters,
Speaker 3: police officers, folks who you think of in the middle.
Speaker 3: If you're making way more money than any of those
Speaker 3: professionals and you're paying at a tax rate lower than them,
Speaker 3: you're not paying your fair share.
Speaker 1: So wait, did he just group doctors in with teachers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a weird one. Okay, I have doctors in my family.
Speaker 1: They all do well. I guess it depends what your
Speaker 1: specialty is, But for the most part, they're not standing
Speaker 1: on the street corner with a tin cop. The doctors
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills performing the world's best button plants. They're
Speaker 1: doing okay.
Speaker 3: So I think it'll be pretty quick or pretty easy
Speaker 3: to calculate if you're gonna have to pay a little
Speaker 3: bit more, Because if you're paying less in taxes and
Speaker 3: make you're a billionaire and you're paying less than that
Speaker 3: teacher in your effective tax rate, you're likely going to
Speaker 3: have to pay more.
Speaker 4: How exactly would that happen under governor?
Speaker 1: Besides, if anyone wants to get specifics, it's Zabala And
Speaker 1: if anyone is devoid of any specifics, it's Bisera. He
Speaker 1: really doesn't know much about this, does he know? And
Speaker 1: this is the new guy that's gonna save the party
Speaker 1: from Tom Steyer.
Speaker 4: How exactly would that happen under?
Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, pause the tape here for a second.
Speaker 1: That made no sense to me. So I just randomly
Speaker 1: looked up on Twitter. What does Xavier Bessera's wife do?
Speaker 1: Javier Besseerra's wife is doctor Carolina reyis a Harvard trained
Speaker 1: physician and Perry nadologist. She specializes in high risk pregnancies
Speaker 1: and practices at the University of California at Davis. That's
Speaker 1: why he grouped in doctors with teachers, because that's what
Speaker 1: the wife does.
Speaker 4: How exactly would that happen under Governor Vessea?
Speaker 3: So we would try to have a policy on revenue
Speaker 3: that is predictable and consistent. That's one thing I've learned
Speaker 3: that when I was on the Ways and Means Committee
Speaker 3: in the Congress. Ways and Means Committee is a tax
Speaker 3: writing committee, so I did text.
Speaker 1: One thing I'm learning is this guy's been around for
Speaker 1: way too long. Oh, he's been an elected office since
Speaker 1: Hector was a pu up.
Speaker 3: Ways, he means committee is a tax writing committee. So
Speaker 3: I did tax policy for about twenty years. What you
Speaker 3: need to do is give people predictability. You want people
Speaker 3: to pay their taxes, they got to know more or
Speaker 3: less what they're going to owe at the end of
Speaker 3: the year. You want a business to be able to
Speaker 3: invest in your state, they got to know what they're
Speaker 3: facing in terms of taxes and regulations. Give them predictability,
Speaker 3: and so I would make sure that we're developed.
Speaker 1: You have to think about this one.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: As I sit here listening to him, I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: he sounds about as old as Antonio via Gosa and
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. He's sixty eight years old
Speaker 1: and Viera Gosa is like seventy one. Yeah, they're about
Speaker 1: the same age, the two of them. Nobody wants to retire.
Speaker 1: Huh Nope, full government pension still can't retire.
Speaker 3: Developing a tax code that gives people predictability. That means,
Speaker 3: if you know you're paying in effective tax straight lower
Speaker 3: than that teacher, a firefighter.
Speaker 1: Or doctor, especially ones that deliver high risk pregnancies.
Speaker 3: You you should expect you're going to be paying more
Speaker 3: at the end of the year.
Speaker 2: But I mean, California's budget does rely heavily on the
Speaker 2: state's top earners. I mean, the top one percent account
Speaker 2: for like almost.
Speaker 1: Half of It's just it's always so jarring to me.
Speaker 1: And Ashley does such a great job. But when the
Speaker 1: reporter knows more about the state than the person that's
Speaker 1: running to run it, what's going on here? Okay, if
Speaker 1: we elect this guy to be governor, that says more
Speaker 1: about this electorate than it does about him. He is
Speaker 1: running on the platform of Gavin Newsom did a bang
Speaker 1: up job on homelessness and deserves an a And if
Speaker 1: you elect me, I'm going to raise your taxes. Let's
Speaker 1: check in with the average California voter. What do they
Speaker 1: think about that statement?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know enough to give you any good information,
Speaker 3: but good luck finding someone who does.
Speaker 1: And that's why we are where we are.
Speaker 2: The income tax at the state collects do you risk
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm potentially driving them out of state and
Speaker 2: putting us in an even worse revenue situation than we
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 3: No, No, because think of it, most of those doctors.
Speaker 1: Back on the doctors. Boy, he really has that on
Speaker 1: the top of his mind. Yeah, doctor, that's a fake doctor.
Speaker 3: Lawyers, A lot of those professionals who are making three
Speaker 3: four five, one hundred thousand, eight nine million dollars. I'm
Speaker 3: not looking to go after them because they already are
Speaker 3: paying a sizeable tax to the state of California for
Speaker 3: their income. I'm talking about folks who don't have that
Speaker 3: wealth because of their income. They have it because of
Speaker 3: their investments.
Speaker 1: And Okay, so he wants to jack up capital gains. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that means if you own a home in California
Speaker 1: and you sell your home coming after you oh no.
Speaker 3: And investments in this country are taxed at lower rates
Speaker 3: than the effective tax rate of that firefighter and that teacher.
Speaker 3: And it's because so many billionaires have their wealth in
Speaker 3: those investments that they get off without paying a fair
Speaker 3: share of tax.
Speaker 1: Do you realize, by the way, that if you count property,
Speaker 1: if you throw that into the mix, we're all quote
Speaker 1: unquote millionaires and billionaires. Because even if you own a
Speaker 1: dumpy home in the San Fernando Valley, hey, that probably
Speaker 1: just got robbed. Accurate, that home is worth over a
Speaker 1: million dollars it's getting up there, because that's just what
Speaker 1: happened to California real estate. Go to any part of
Speaker 1: a population center and look at any home, any single
Speaker 1: family home. They're all over a million dollars. So on paper,
Speaker 1: I'm not going after the doctors and the lawyers, and
Speaker 1: the teachers and the firefighters. I'm just going after the
Speaker 1: people who pay capital gains taxes and are worth over
Speaker 1: a million dollars. Well, that's all of us, dummy.
Speaker 3: To the state where they make their living, where they
Speaker 3: love to enjoy. And you know, most of the folks
Speaker 3: that I've encountered who are fairly wealthy don't mind paying
Speaker 3: their fair share, and they're willing so long.
Speaker 1: As it can. You name some examples of anyone that
Speaker 1: you've talked to that said, please tax me more. Didn't
Speaker 1: Tom Steyer get asked that very question on the debate stage,
Speaker 1: and he goes, me, paying more in taxes is not
Speaker 1: the answer. He did say that.
Speaker 3: And they're willing so long as they can understand why
Speaker 3: they're being.
Speaker 1: Just remember, kids, there are worse options than this.
Speaker 3: And they're willing so long as they can understand why
Speaker 3: they're being taxed, so long as it's predictable.
Speaker 1: Well, right now, we're all getting taxed and we don't
Speaker 1: see where any of that money is going. So how's
Speaker 1: that working out. You know what's awful about this is
Speaker 1: if you go back and I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: ancient history, if you go back to California politics in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties early two thousands, everything that he's just
Speaker 1: said in this interview would have been a line crossing
Speaker 1: event that would prevent him from being elected statewide. Saying
Speaker 1: that this level of homelessness. We'll get to that later
Speaker 1: on where he defends Gavin Newsom and his policies on homelessness.
Speaker 1: He did that at the debate.
Speaker 3: He gave him an a.
Speaker 1: That would be disqualifying, saying that one of the highest
Speaker 1: tax states in the Union, we need to raise more
Speaker 1: taxes because that's just what needs to happen. That would
Speaker 1: be a disqualifying event. And the fact that he goes
Speaker 1: on an interview like this and he says all of
Speaker 1: these nutty things and he's still regarded as the front
Speaker 1: runner shows you how far the state has moved from
Speaker 1: the nineties in the early two thousands, when this guy
Speaker 1: would be an unelectable pariah.
Speaker 3: Everyone understands we pay a premium to live in this
Speaker 3: great state of California. Go take a look at the
Speaker 3: price at the gas pump today. We're paying a premium
Speaker 3: mostly because Donald Trumpy.
Speaker 1: Oh there's the first mention. Oh yeah, okay, here's the
Speaker 1: follow up question to that. Why is it still less expensive?
Speaker 1: In Nevada and Arizona they have the same president.
Speaker 3: Got us into this reckless foreign war. But I will
Speaker 3: tell you we like California.
Speaker 1: Was he trying to say reckless but then said ereckless?
Speaker 1: Play that a good.
Speaker 3: Got us into this reckless foreign war?
Speaker 1: But I think you got to take a pill for that.
Speaker 1: I think so Bob Dole has one that he recommends.
Speaker 3: I will tell you we like California. We want to
Speaker 3: stay in California, but it's got to be affordable.
Speaker 1: You mentioned but everything you just said was going to
Speaker 1: make things less affordable. Yeah, you just said you were
Speaker 1: jack taxes up capital gains specifically, and by the way,
Speaker 1: for a lot of people who are working here, they
Speaker 1: regard their California single family home as a second pension
Speaker 1: of sorts, where you sell that and you use that
Speaker 1: money to live on in retirement. In Arizona, exactly, and
Speaker 1: those are the people he wants to target. We're just
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Speaker 1: let's go back to Gooblatorial candidate Javier Bakaria in a
Speaker 1: sit down interview with Ashley Zavola we heard about his
Speaker 1: text policy. What's up next, Ashley?
Speaker 4: You mentioned you'd also cut programs.
Speaker 2: Is there anything like immediately on the docket that you
Speaker 2: see that you'd want to cut right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, anything for the homeless. Wait, I have a
Speaker 1: balanced budget.
Speaker 3: I would take a real close look at these homeless program.
Speaker 1: Hey, look at that. All right, we're getting warmer.
Speaker 3: We have not had accountability. I believe that every dollar
Speaker 3: that we invest in homelessness is going to be a
Speaker 3: very precious dollar, and I'd like to make sure that
Speaker 3: it leads to results. And results for most of us
Speaker 3: are when I look at those streets, I don't see
Speaker 3: people lying there in the morning, having slept there. I
Speaker 3: want to see results. I want to have accountability.
Speaker 1: How many times has he said that word so far? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The fact that he's using the same hollow words is
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is a red flag.
Speaker 3: Accountability. Accountability, accountability. I'm willing to invest in having assistance
Speaker 3: for those who are homeless, but we have to have results.
Speaker 3: And if you can't produce the results in that accountability,
Speaker 3: then you shouldn't get the money.
Speaker 2: So, because I mean, cities and counties might watch us
Speaker 2: right now and think, oh, my gosh, are you talking
Speaker 2: about half the homelessness Housing Assistance and Prevention grant program.
Speaker 4: It's the main.
Speaker 2: Way the state provides dollars to these local governments. I mean,
Speaker 2: is that something that would be on the table for
Speaker 2: you to potentially cut.
Speaker 1: The counties want you to make it. Rain Hoavy aer
Speaker 1: Oh in La County wants to make sure that all
Speaker 1: of those homeless services groups they're rolling in dough.
Speaker 3: I would certainly make sure that they are delivering results.
Speaker 1: But what is results? Because if results is we pay
Speaker 1: a nonprofit to pass out meth pipes and they pass
Speaker 1: out the meth pipes. Technically that is results. Oh and
Speaker 1: then they pat themselves on the back and give each
Speaker 1: other awards.
Speaker 3: And if they can't deliver results, I'll take that dollar
Speaker 3: to someone who is delivering results. And so we have
Speaker 3: to make the best use of that dollar, because there
Speaker 3: are always programs that have to deal with something like homelessness.
Speaker 3: I only have so many of those dollars. If I
Speaker 3: have to make a decision, I'm going to put that
Speaker 3: one dollar into that one organization that's delivering accountable results.
Speaker 2: Another expensive program right now, and we have yet to
Speaker 2: really see the effectiveness of this one is providing healthcare
Speaker 2: to a documented people through the state's medic health program.
Speaker 1: In fact, the first year that it was implemented, Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom had to take out several loans from the state
Speaker 1: to keep it afloat. Oh yeah, it was another promise
Speaker 1: he can't keep.
Speaker 4: Would you keep that in place as governor?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 1: I get an assist on that, Shang, would you.
Speaker 4: Keep that in place as governor?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Okay, So the state is broke, let's make sure
Speaker 1: that everyone from Guatemala has healthcare right now?
Speaker 2: I mean new adults can't sign up under changes that
Speaker 2: the governor and legislature had to make last year because
Speaker 2: of the financial situation with it. Is that would you
Speaker 2: look at trying to allow new adults to sign on?
Speaker 3: I understand what the thinking was. I think that's shortsighted
Speaker 3: and it's everybody.
Speaker 1: Soon as you step on California soil free healthcare. Gee,
Speaker 1: I wonder what that'll do to the illegal alien population.
Speaker 3: Not cost effective and astley. That one's an easy one.
Speaker 3: You've got a family, you've got a child, your child's hurting,
Speaker 3: you don't have money, you don't have insurance. You're going
Speaker 3: to think of everything you can, from going to get
Speaker 3: the aspirin to trying the massage in the kurandera. If
Speaker 3: you're from a Mexican home.
Speaker 1: What does a counanderra? I don't even want to look
Speaker 1: it up. I didn't get to that lesson yet. On
Speaker 1: duo lingo, I wonder if that's a witch doctor.
Speaker 3: Whatever you can, that's not going to cost you a
Speaker 3: arm in a leg. But if your child's still hurting
Speaker 3: at some point, you're going to the hospital, and if
Speaker 3: you don't have insurance, and if you're not a wealthy person,
Speaker 3: that bill will drive you out of your house. Whatever
Speaker 3: nest egg you had has just gone. So if you
Speaker 3: were looking to use that to buy a house in
Speaker 3: the future, or to get help pay for your kids
Speaker 3: tuition to college gone.
Speaker 1: This is a great filibuster into not answering how are
Speaker 1: we going to afford it? Okay, I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: A currand Era c r A N. D Er is
Speaker 1: a female Latin American folk healer who uses a holistic
Speaker 1: approach combining herbal medicine, spiritualism, rituals, and indigenous traditions to
Speaker 1: treat physical, emotional, and spiritual illness. So it is a
Speaker 1: witch doctor one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But you're going to take your child to that hospital.
Speaker 3: Why should we wait till you have to take your
Speaker 3: child to the hospital, which means you're probably entering through
Speaker 3: the emergency room. The most expensive door to walk through
Speaker 3: in healthcare is the er door.
Speaker 1: And it is okay. I always sold to us that
Speaker 1: while we need this, because then the emergency rooms won't
Speaker 1: be packed, and the emergency rooms are still packed. So
Speaker 1: the whole point of Obamacare is that people would have
Speaker 1: health insurance so they can go to a primary care
Speaker 1: physician to deal with a lot of their problems, and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't clog up the emergency room. I think I
Speaker 1: told you this friend of mine had one hundred and
Speaker 1: four degree fever. Went to Eisenhower Hospital in Rancho Mirage.
Speaker 1: That is a town of seventeen thousand people. It is
Speaker 1: almost entirely white, and it was almost entirely elderly. There
Speaker 1: are very few people under the age of seventy who
Speaker 1: live in that city. You're talking about a retirement community
Speaker 1: essentially with a hospital. He was the only one there
Speaker 1: who spoke English, the only person in Rancho Mirage in
Speaker 1: the er who spoke English. What do you think the
Speaker 1: odds are that the people who were in that er
Speaker 1: are not residents of Rancho Mirage. I would say the
Speaker 1: odds are it's pretty high, and I would say that
Speaker 1: many of them are probably not here legally too. That
Speaker 1: was the whole point of Obamacare to fix that, and
Speaker 1: it didn't. And now he wants to spend more money
Speaker 1: on the same issue, which I guarantee you won't result
Speaker 1: in empty ers.
Speaker 3: Why should we wait because you didn't have insurance that
Speaker 3: you let the situation get so bad that now you
Speaker 3: have no choice but to save your child, you go
Speaker 3: to the hospital through the emergency y. I'm saying no, no,
Speaker 3: you're going.
Speaker 1: To have by the way, even just to get down
Speaker 1: into the weeds of this, what he's talking about is
Speaker 1: a bunch of bigs because kids are already covered. Kids
Speaker 1: were already covered, right, And the point isn't that they
Speaker 1: should be denied healthcare treatment. The point is this government
Speaker 1: isn't the one that's supposed to be paying for it.
Speaker 3: You're going to have access to that pediatrician, that family doc,
Speaker 3: that obgyn now early upfront because it costs me so
Speaker 3: much less to do upfront, then wait till it gets
Speaker 3: really expensive at the back end. So tell me someone
Speaker 3: you don't have insurance condemns them to have to use
Speaker 3: the back end the.
Speaker 1: Most How is is it someone who was the Secretary
Speaker 1: of Health and Human Services doesn't understand that about children. Look,
Speaker 1: you don't get these jobs because you're smart. We don't
Speaker 1: even have kids, and we know.
Speaker 3: The back end the most expensive care.
Speaker 1: Can you stop saying the back end? Don't want to
Speaker 1: get tempted here and cut something into a drop that
Speaker 1: would be inappropriate.
Speaker 3: The back end the most expensive care. I'm not going there.
Speaker 3: And I tell you this from my own experience being
Speaker 3: Secretary at HHS, from defending the Affordable Care Act as
Speaker 3: AG all the way to the Supreme Court. But I'll
Speaker 3: tell you where I learned it most from two great Americans.
Speaker 3: My mom who said, Mikojo Premier, it is always better
Speaker 3: to prevent than to try to remediate.
Speaker 1: I don't think she said that. I don't think so either.
Speaker 1: I think he made that up.
Speaker 3: And Frederick Douglas, who said it about one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty years.
Speaker 1: It's like the whole story about how scrub it scrub
Speaker 1: it was his mom telling him to brush his teeth,
Speaker 1: But really it's from some commercial in the fifties. He
Speaker 1: made that up too.
Speaker 3: And Frederick Douglas who said it about one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixty years ago. It is easier to build strong children
Speaker 3: than to repair broken men. We wait till they go
Speaker 3: to the emergency room to repair broken men and women.
Speaker 3: If we had built them strong and healthy at the beginning,
Speaker 3: we'd be spending a lot less money. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to wait till they're broken and we spend a ton
Speaker 3: of money. I'm going to build them strong and smart
Speaker 3: from the beginning, and that means giving him access to healthcare.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people who supported this program
Speaker 2: see it as a righteous issue, as you have laid out.
Speaker 2: I think the question is, though, is that this program
Speaker 2: became a lot more expensive than state officials braced for.
Speaker 4: I mean, so if that I mean, in that.
Speaker 1: You can preamble all you want. Zavala is going to
Speaker 1: get you back on track. Oh yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: he has total recall for everything that never happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, so if that I mean in that vein,
Speaker 2: it'll cost maybe a lot more. I mean, or is
Speaker 2: it just a matter of managing the state's budget better
Speaker 2: than it had been.
Speaker 3: Well, who's paid if if that family's not on medical
Speaker 3: when they do use the health services at the hospital,
Speaker 3: who's paying not medical? So the state may not be paying,
Speaker 3: but you're putting it now on the county, or you're
Speaker 3: putting it on the back of that doctor or that
Speaker 3: clinic or that hospital that doesn't get paid.
Speaker 1: And we already know how much tax is that doctor's paying.
Speaker 3: And at some point then I said, I can only
Speaker 3: do business this way, so long before I have to
Speaker 3: close my doors. I don't want clinics, doctors, and hospitals
Speaker 3: to close their door. Go to rural California. They're already
Speaker 3: closing hospitals. We can't afford that, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: let it happen because as much as I think it's
Speaker 3: morally right, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege.
Speaker 3: Economically it is not smart to wait for them to
Speaker 3: use the most expensive care walking in through an emergency room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not economically working to do what you're
Speaker 1: probing because we can't afford it. No, no, and we've
Speaker 1: proven that time and time again.
Speaker 3: It is economically smarter to give people access early so
Speaker 3: they maintain their health. We our system in healthcare unfortunately,
Speaker 3: and I kept saying this when I was Secretary AHHS.
Speaker 3: Our healthcare system is based he likes.
Speaker 1: To name drop the jobs he's had a lot, oh,
Speaker 1: over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: Our healthcare system is based on treating illness. Our system
Speaker 3: of health should be based on promoting wellness, so we
Speaker 3: avoid the expensive care. That's why the US, California, we
Speaker 3: have the most expensive healthcare in the world bar none,
Speaker 3: and we still leave people without insurance.
Speaker 1: Who put this guy in charge of that department? A
Speaker 1: senile old did? I thought that name would look very diverse.
Speaker 1: This is supposed to be in theory. His strongest issue
Speaker 1: is it not? Yes? And he constantly says he's running
Speaker 1: to be the healthcare governor, and he reminds us every
Speaker 1: ten seconds that he ran the Department of Health and
Speaker 1: Human Services, even though Grampy Joe's unaware of it. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a different department for Secretary of Health and
Speaker 1: Educations over I nominated Javier Bakaria. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: more to this interview. If we have time later in
Speaker 1: the show, he might even get to the whole Dana
Speaker 1: Williamson scandal, because he gets asked a whole lot of
Speaker 1: questions about that. But Johnny, when we come back, it's
Speaker 1: time for the grading grating manure. Well, we've learned so
Speaker 1: much listening to this interview of Javier Besserra with Ashley Zavall.
Speaker 1: For example, according to the former Secretary of Health and
Speaker 1: Human Services, if your child has an earache, what you
Speaker 1: need to do is bring in a witch doctor to
Speaker 1: sacrifice a virgin, because in less than until you push
Speaker 1: ac green into the rocks, that kid's ear isn't getting better.
Speaker 1: We're gonna skip to the end of the interview. If
Speaker 1: we have time, we'll go back to some more of this,
Speaker 1: because all of it's delicious, All thirty five minutes of
Speaker 1: this interview are. It's the best interview of all the
Speaker 1: governor interviews Zavala has done, because he doesn't have a
Speaker 1: good answer for anything. But let's skip to what is
Speaker 1: now being called the Zavala question. How would you grade
Speaker 1: the guy you're trying to replace?
Speaker 2: Speaking of getting it done, what grade would you give
Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom for his last two terms as governor?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I feel like he just had a lump in his throat. Well,
Speaker 1: he's thinking, Okay, what can I say? It's not the truth.
Speaker 3: Oh, so you're talking to someone who's had a balance.
Speaker 1: By the way, you know this question is coming. No,
Speaker 1: But it's like Kamala on the view. You should know
Speaker 1: the question is coming, but sometimes they don't do the fundamentals.
Speaker 3: So you're talking to someone who's had to balance a
Speaker 3: budget bigger than the budget that Governor Newsom had a balance.
Speaker 3: You're talking to someone who had to deal with the
Speaker 3: crisis bigger than perhaps any crisis that the governor of
Speaker 3: California had to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Al Bundy, and you had four touchdowns
Speaker 1: in a single game too.
Speaker 3: We had to save lives or across the country with COVID.
Speaker 3: You're talking to someone who took on a rogue menacing
Speaker 3: federal government the way Governor Newsom has had to do that.
Speaker 3: I did that when I was a g You are
Speaker 3: going to great him?
Speaker 4: Are you going to great him?
Speaker 3: I am going to Okay, But I've tried to put
Speaker 3: it in context.
Speaker 1: So it is he's trying to run out the clock, Ashley,
Speaker 1: but you get it. You can't run out the clock
Speaker 1: and a pre recorded interview, Nope.
Speaker 3: So it is important to recognize when you grade someone
Speaker 3: understand the shoes they're feeling. It's not easy to be
Speaker 3: a governor of the biggest state, the fourth largest economy.
Speaker 3: So what I would tell you is this, we became
Speaker 3: the fourth largest economy under Gavin Nusso. Check we have
Speaker 3: expanded healthcare to more Californians. Check.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's why we're in a budget deficit. Yeah, get
Speaker 1: rid of that. Check.
Speaker 3: Uh. There are many things that he has done well.
Speaker 3: The other things public safety. I think he could have
Speaker 3: been more ambitious, homelessness, could have been more ambitious, more
Speaker 3: have people be more accountable. If I were grading, I'd say,
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is going to go on to college because
Speaker 3: he's going to graduate from my high school?
Speaker 1: What what the hell does that mean? Uh?
Speaker 3: What great?
Speaker 4: For?
Speaker 3: That's the threshold?
Speaker 1: And he's left the consummate professional Ashley Zavala can't even
Speaker 1: contain herself with that nonsense. No, No, he doesn't graduate
Speaker 1: high school. He doesn't even get a GEDs.
Speaker 3: Is going to go on to college because he's going
Speaker 3: to graduate from my high school?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, grade, that what's the threshold? He's left us in
Speaker 3: a place. Well, I mean you could go to college
Speaker 3: with a C. It's a lot more difficult.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he's just prolonging the agony.
Speaker 3: But I think he has done many of the things
Speaker 3: that we have asked him to do. Uh and in
Speaker 3: some areas well. When I become governor, I'll make sure.
Speaker 4: Well what's the grade?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can give him a grade.
Speaker 1: You just said you were going to give him a grade,
Speaker 1: like two minutes ago.
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to grade him.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna try. But what I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: I wasn't in his shoes, do I You know, I
Speaker 3: know a lot of folks who gave me a grade
Speaker 3: on COVID say, oh, that guy was terrible, but they're
Speaker 3: still alive.
Speaker 1: Well, not all all of them.
Speaker 3: They get to go out and not have to wear
Speaker 3: a mask.
Speaker 1: I mean, Babs, how you feel about that next slide?
Speaker 3: I mean, you can grade anybody the way you want.
Speaker 3: It's whether you left the place better than you saw
Speaker 3: it and you started. I would absolutely say he has.
Speaker 1: He's tried, as can anybody say that California is in
Speaker 1: a better place now than it was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: What kind of drugs is he on? Well, at HHS,
Speaker 1: you get access to all of them. He must have
Speaker 1: stopped piled them.
Speaker 3: I would absolutely say he has. He's tried and knowing
Speaker 3: how tough it is to manage an enterprise the size
Speaker 3: of the State of California, as the Department of Health
Speaker 3: and Human Services, the largest public health agency in the world,
Speaker 3: with a budget, as I said, bigger than the State
Speaker 3: of California. I know what it's like and it's easy
Speaker 3: to grade. It's tough to accomplish.
Speaker 4: So not a through off. You won't give me an
Speaker 4: a through no.
Speaker 3: I mean that's not for me to say.
Speaker 1: Unreal, this guy could be the next governor of California.