WEBVTT - Xavier Becerra sits down with Ashley Zavala

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<v Speaker 1>And very Happy Monday to you. At twelve oh six

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<v Speaker 1>in the West, it's the Giant Philip Show. Mister Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Wegg's across the Glass. John, I'm gonna need Henry Lee

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<v Speaker 1>for this one. It's happened yet again. We are now

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<v Speaker 1>up to twenty home burglaries in the San Fernando Valley

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<v Speaker 1>since April tenth, and the last one happened in my neighborhood. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's only a matter of time before the Brady Bunch

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<v Speaker 1>house gets hit too. It's happened yet again. What's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the valley. The criminals are realizing how easy

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<v Speaker 1>it is to get away with this. We don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the kinds of surveillance that you see in other big

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<v Speaker 1>cities like San Jose or even San Francisco or Oakland.

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<v Speaker 1>The valley doesn't have flock cameras. We don't have license

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<v Speaker 1>plate reading cameras. So they're casing these joints. They're figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out who has money, and they're breaking in. This couple

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<v Speaker 1>was out to dinner. They came back and the door

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<v Speaker 1>was wide open and the house was sacked. Uh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so their electric bill is going to be huge too.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two

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<v Speaker 1>two two, Randy. Before we get to the topic, we

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and dive right into the news of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we because the new front runner on the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>side in the race for governor here in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of California, Javier Bakaria, did a sit down with the

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<v Speaker 1>one and only Ashley Zuvalla scrub it and I listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the entire unedited thirty five minute interview and it

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<v Speaker 1>did not go well. We're going to start it from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. We're going to get to as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we can, but we will definitely make sure by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this hour we play the Zavala question, which

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<v Speaker 1>is great Gavin Newsom because it is a filibuster like

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<v Speaker 1>you've never heard before. And he refused to answer. He

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<v Speaker 1>said he was gonna answer, and then he didn't answer.

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<v Speaker 1>But first let's see what's going on in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of California. Here is Ashley Zabala on California Politics, three p.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty at Arizon KCRA three in Sacramento. It also airs

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<v Speaker 1>on Fox eleven in Los Angeles and k TVU Fox

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<v Speaker 1>two in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>Abed Reshide, thank you so much for making time for us, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a hard job at a really hard time.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you want to be California governor?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Seriously, why who would want this job at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's a hard job and you need someone who's

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<v Speaker 3>gone through these tough times and it knows what it's

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<v Speaker 3>like to have to balance a big budget. Someone who

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<v Speaker 3>knows what it's like to deal with emergencies, crises and

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<v Speaker 3>how to get out of him, someone who knows how

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<v Speaker 3>to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Just starting off with all the cliches, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like he's falling asleep as he's answering the question, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a very low energy candidate.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone who knows how to fight, and someone who knows

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<v Speaker 3>how to win. I'm getting to do what my parents

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have a chance to do, and that is live

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<v Speaker 3>a life based on your dream. And I'm getting to

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<v Speaker 3>do it with people who also want to see California thrive.

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<v Speaker 3>So why not?

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<v Speaker 2>California, though, is facing multi year money problems. If you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whoever the next governor is is really going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with that. According to our state's legislative analysts

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<v Speaker 2>budget experts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gavin is leaving you with a big ol' houl

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<v Speaker 1>in the budget. And by the way, if California is

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<v Speaker 1>in the hole that it's in, why didn't he do

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<v Speaker 1>something about it. He was an assemblyman, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>congressman from California. He was the Attorney General from California.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Why

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<v Speaker 1>at any point in the past did he not do

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<v Speaker 1>something about all of these perennial problems.

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<v Speaker 2>In really every side of the aisle At this point,

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<v Speaker 2>the options that have been laid out are to either

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<v Speaker 2>cut spending, cutstack programs, or race taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>Which option do you see yourself choosing.

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<v Speaker 3>Both?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have the combo platter please.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to do a little bit of both. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to do that when I was secretary at HHS

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<v Speaker 3>in the midst of the worst pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, is that the right acronym? Because I thought you

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<v Speaker 1>had a different job for Secretary of Health and Educations

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<v Speaker 1>over I nominated Jabbier a BA Korea. Wasn't his name?

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't the job? Good job, Grampy Joe. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>like the first month of the administration.

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<v Speaker 3>In the midst of the worst pandemic any of us

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<v Speaker 3>had ever seen. I had to save lives, manage a budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, he is really putting himself on the cross

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<v Speaker 1>every time he talks about COVID every single time.

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<v Speaker 3>And do it without making cuts to the most essential programs.

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<v Speaker 3>We were able to do that. We got the economy

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<v Speaker 3>and the country out of COVID. It took a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work, but you have to do it with a

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<v Speaker 3>mix of measures. And I think in the case of California,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll need new revenue. And there are people who aren't

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<v Speaker 3>paying their fair share.

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<v Speaker 1>Never heard that before, by the way, within the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know what a disaster that was across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>When you listen to the Biden people, you read the

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<v Speaker 1>books about the election, about the Biden administration, he is

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<v Speaker 1>universally regarded within that circle as being the biggest bomb

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<v Speaker 1>of all of the department heads. Who have to pay

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<v Speaker 1>Pelosi tried to warn them, so he did.

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<v Speaker 3>Who have to pay a little bit more. At the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, we have to take a look at programs,

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<v Speaker 3>as I had a look at programs when I was

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<v Speaker 3>at HHS, and we had to make decisions on where

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<v Speaker 3>to cut to make sure that we balanced our books.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned people needing to pay their fair share,

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<v Speaker 2>So what does that look like. You're essentially saying you'd

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<v Speaker 2>raise taxes on the wealthy in the state for.

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<v Speaker 3>The most part. Yeah, I think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>Not sure what bracket you're in, what tax bricket. All

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<v Speaker 3>I know is that there are people who are paying doctors, nurses, teachers, firefighters,

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<v Speaker 3>police officers, folks who you think of in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're making way more money than any of those

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<v Speaker 3>professionals and you're paying at a tax rate lower than them,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not paying your fair share.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait, did he just group doctors in with teachers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a weird one. Okay, I have doctors in my family.

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<v Speaker 1>They all do well. I guess it depends what your

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<v Speaker 1>specialty is, But for the most part, they're not standing

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<v Speaker 1>on the street corner with a tin cop. The doctors

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<v Speaker 1>in Beverly Hills performing the world's best button plants. They're

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<v Speaker 1>doing okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it'll be pretty quick or pretty easy

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<v Speaker 3>to calculate if you're gonna have to pay a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more, Because if you're paying less in taxes and

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<v Speaker 3>make you're a billionaire and you're paying less than that

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<v Speaker 3>teacher in your effective tax rate, you're likely going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to pay more.

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<v Speaker 4>How exactly would that happen under governor?

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<v Speaker 1>Besides, if anyone wants to get specifics, it's Zabala And

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone is devoid of any specifics, it's Bisera. He

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't know much about this, does he know? And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the new guy that's gonna save the party

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<v Speaker 1>from Tom Steyer.

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<v Speaker 4>How exactly would that happen under?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, by the way, pause the tape here for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>That made no sense to me. So I just randomly

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<v Speaker 1>looked up on Twitter. What does Xavier Bessera's wife do?

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<v Speaker 1>Javier Besseerra's wife is doctor Carolina reyis a Harvard trained

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<v Speaker 1>physician and Perry nadologist. She specializes in high risk pregnancies

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<v Speaker 1>and practices at the University of California at Davis. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why he grouped in doctors with teachers, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>the wife does.

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<v Speaker 4>How exactly would that happen under Governor Vessea?

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<v Speaker 3>So we would try to have a policy on revenue

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<v Speaker 3>that is predictable and consistent. That's one thing I've learned

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<v Speaker 3>that when I was on the Ways and Means Committee

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<v Speaker 3>in the Congress. Ways and Means Committee is a tax

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<v Speaker 3>writing committee, so I did text.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing I'm learning is this guy's been around for

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<v Speaker 1>way too long. Oh, he's been an elected office since

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<v Speaker 1>Hector was a pu up.

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<v Speaker 3>Ways, he means committee is a tax writing committee. So

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<v Speaker 3>I did tax policy for about twenty years. What you

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<v Speaker 3>need to do is give people predictability. You want people

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<v Speaker 3>to pay their taxes, they got to know more or

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<v Speaker 3>less what they're going to owe at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the year. You want a business to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>invest in your state, they got to know what they're

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<v Speaker 3>facing in terms of taxes and regulations. Give them predictability,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I would make sure that we're developed.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to think about this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>As I sit here listening to him, I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>he sounds about as old as Antonio via Gosa and

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<v Speaker 1>I just looked it up. He's sixty eight years old

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<v Speaker 1>and Viera Gosa is like seventy one. Yeah, they're about

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<v Speaker 1>the same age, the two of them. Nobody wants to retire.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh Nope, full government pension still can't retire.

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<v Speaker 3>Developing a tax code that gives people predictability. That means,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know you're paying in effective tax straight lower

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<v Speaker 3>than that teacher, a firefighter.

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<v Speaker 1>Or doctor, especially ones that deliver high risk pregnancies.

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<v Speaker 3>You you should expect you're going to be paying more

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, California's budget does rely heavily on the

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<v Speaker 2>state's top earners. I mean, the top one percent account

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<v Speaker 2>for like almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Half of It's just it's always so jarring to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And Ashley does such a great job. But when the

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<v Speaker 1>reporter knows more about the state than the person that's

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<v Speaker 1>running to run it, what's going on here? Okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>we elect this guy to be governor, that says more

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<v Speaker 1>about this electorate than it does about him. He is

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<v Speaker 1>running on the platform of Gavin Newsom did a bang

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<v Speaker 1>up job on homelessness and deserves an a And if

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<v Speaker 1>you elect me, I'm going to raise your taxes. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>check in with the average California voter. What do they

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<v Speaker 1>think about that statement?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know enough to give you any good information,

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<v Speaker 3>but good luck finding someone who does.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why we are where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>The income tax at the state collects do you risk

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm potentially driving them out of state and

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<v Speaker 2>putting us in an even worse revenue situation than we

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<v Speaker 2>could be.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, because think of it, most of those doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on the doctors. Boy, he really has that on

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<v Speaker 1>the top of his mind. Yeah, doctor, that's a fake doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Lawyers, A lot of those professionals who are making three

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<v Speaker 3>four five, one hundred thousand, eight nine million dollars. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not looking to go after them because they already are

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<v Speaker 3>paying a sizeable tax to the state of California for

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<v Speaker 3>their income. I'm talking about folks who don't have that

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<v Speaker 3>wealth because of their income. They have it because of

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<v Speaker 3>their investments.

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<v Speaker 1>And Okay, so he wants to jack up capital gains. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So that means if you own a home in California

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<v Speaker 1>and you sell your home coming after you oh no.

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<v Speaker 3>And investments in this country are taxed at lower rates

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<v Speaker 3>than the effective tax rate of that firefighter and that teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's because so many billionaires have their wealth in

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<v Speaker 3>those investments that they get off without paying a fair

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<v Speaker 3>share of tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you realize, by the way, that if you count property,

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<v Speaker 1>if you throw that into the mix, we're all quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote millionaires and billionaires. Because even if you own a

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<v Speaker 1>dumpy home in the San Fernando Valley, hey, that probably

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<v Speaker 1>just got robbed. Accurate, that home is worth over a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars it's getting up there, because that's just what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to California real estate. Go to any part of

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<v Speaker 1>a population center and look at any home, any single

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<v Speaker 1>family home. They're all over a million dollars. So on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going after the doctors and the lawyers, and

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<v Speaker 1>the teachers and the firefighters. I'm just going after the

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<v Speaker 1>people who pay capital gains taxes and are worth over

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<v Speaker 1>a million dollars. Well, that's all of us, dummy.

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<v Speaker 3>To the state where they make their living, where they

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<v Speaker 3>love to enjoy. And you know, most of the folks

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<v Speaker 3>that I've encountered who are fairly wealthy don't mind paying

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<v Speaker 3>their fair share, and they're willing so long.

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<v Speaker 1>As it can. You name some examples of anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>you've talked to that said, please tax me more. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Steyer get asked that very question on the debate stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes, me, paying more in taxes is not

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<v Speaker 1>the answer. He did say that.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're willing so long as they can understand why

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<v Speaker 3>they're being.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember, kids, there are worse options than this.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're willing so long as they can understand why

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<v Speaker 3>they're being taxed, so long as it's predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right now, we're all getting taxed and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>see where any of that money is going. So how's

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<v Speaker 1>that working out. You know what's awful about this is

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back and I'm not even talking about

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<v Speaker 1>ancient history, if you go back to California politics in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen nineties early two thousands, everything that he's just

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<v Speaker 1>said in this interview would have been a line crossing

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<v Speaker 1>event that would prevent him from being elected statewide. Saying

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<v Speaker 1>that this level of homelessness. We'll get to that later

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<v Speaker 1>on where he defends Gavin Newsom and his policies on homelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>He did that at the debate.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave him an a.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be disqualifying, saying that one of the highest

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<v Speaker 1>tax states in the Union, we need to raise more

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<v Speaker 1>taxes because that's just what needs to happen. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be a disqualifying event. And the fact that he goes

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<v Speaker 1>on an interview like this and he says all of

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<v Speaker 1>these nutty things and he's still regarded as the front

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<v Speaker 1>runner shows you how far the state has moved from

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<v Speaker 1>the nineties in the early two thousands, when this guy

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<v Speaker 1>would be an unelectable pariah.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone understands we pay a premium to live in this

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<v Speaker 3>great state of California. Go take a look at the

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<v Speaker 3>price at the gas pump today. We're paying a premium

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<v Speaker 3>mostly because Donald Trumpy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's the first mention. Oh yeah, okay, here's the

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<v Speaker 1>follow up question to that. Why is it still less expensive?

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<v Speaker 1>In Nevada and Arizona they have the same president.

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<v Speaker 3>Got us into this reckless foreign war. But I will

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<v Speaker 3>tell you we like California.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he trying to say reckless but then said ereckless?

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<v Speaker 1>Play that a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Got us into this reckless foreign war?

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<v Speaker 1>But I think you got to take a pill for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so Bob Dole has one that he recommends.

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<v Speaker 3>I will tell you we like California. We want to

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<v Speaker 3>stay in California, but it's got to be affordable.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned but everything you just said was going to

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<v Speaker 1>make things less affordable. Yeah, you just said you were

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<v Speaker 1>jack taxes up capital gains specifically, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people who are working here, they

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<v Speaker 1>regard their California single family home as a second pension

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<v Speaker 1>of sorts, where you sell that and you use that

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<v Speaker 1>money to live on in retirement. In Arizona, exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>those are the people he wants to target. We're just

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<v Speaker 1>getting started here. We are five minutes into this thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five minute gem of an interview. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>substack at Randy Wangradio dot substack dot com. It is

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<v Speaker 1>it is worth your time. Eight hundred two two two

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring In the mail bag, Kevin writes in at Johnny,

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<v Speaker 1>don't like show at gmail dot com. On Besera's tax policy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very easy to figure out. Doctors and nurses scrub

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<v Speaker 1>their hands. Lawyers scrub confidential documents, police officers scrub crime scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>hedge fun guys don't do any of that. If you

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<v Speaker 3>Scrub it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that emailer is onto something, and Randy, you and

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<v Speaker 1>I aren't going anywhere anytime soon. John and I just

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<v Speaker 1>around here and continuing to do this every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen plus hours a week. Some people are asking why

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<v Speaker 1>three years in My answer to them is, I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>What do you say? We make a couple of listeners

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to Gooblatorial candidate Javier Bakaria in a

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<v Speaker 1>sit down interview with Ashley Zavola we heard about his

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<v Speaker 1>text policy. What's up next, Ashley?

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<v Speaker 4>You mentioned you'd also cut programs.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything like immediately on the docket that you

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<v Speaker 2>see that you'd want to cut right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Oh, anything for the homeless. Wait, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>balanced budget.

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<v Speaker 3>I would take a real close look at these homeless program.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, look at that. All right, we're getting warmer.

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<v Speaker 3>We have not had accountability. I believe that every dollar

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<v Speaker 3>that we invest in homelessness is going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>very precious dollar, and I'd like to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>it leads to results. And results for most of us

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<v Speaker 3>are when I look at those streets, I don't see

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<v Speaker 3>people lying there in the morning, having slept there. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to see results. I want to have accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times has he said that word so far? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that he's using the same hollow words is

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<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom is a red flag.

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<v Speaker 3>Accountability. Accountability, accountability. I'm willing to invest in having assistance

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<v Speaker 3>for those who are homeless, but we have to have results.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you can't produce the results in that accountability,

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<v Speaker 3>then you shouldn't get the money.

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<v Speaker 2>So, because I mean, cities and counties might watch us

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<v Speaker 2>right now and think, oh, my gosh, are you talking

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<v Speaker 2>about half the homelessness Housing Assistance and Prevention grant program.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the main.

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<v Speaker 2>Way the state provides dollars to these local governments. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>is that something that would be on the table for

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<v Speaker 2>you to potentially cut.

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<v Speaker 1>The counties want you to make it. Rain Hoavy aer

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<v Speaker 1>Oh in La County wants to make sure that all

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<v Speaker 1>of those homeless services groups they're rolling in dough.

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<v Speaker 3>I would certainly make sure that they are delivering results.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is results? Because if results is we pay

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<v Speaker 1>a nonprofit to pass out meth pipes and they pass

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<v Speaker 1>out the meth pipes. Technically that is results. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>then they pat themselves on the back and give each

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<v Speaker 1>other awards.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they can't deliver results, I'll take that dollar

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<v Speaker 3>to someone who is delivering results. And so we have

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<v Speaker 3>to make the best use of that dollar, because there

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<v Speaker 3>are always programs that have to deal with something like homelessness.

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<v Speaker 3>I only have so many of those dollars. If I

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<v Speaker 3>have to make a decision, I'm going to put that

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<v Speaker 3>one dollar into that one organization that's delivering accountable results.

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<v Speaker 2>Another expensive program right now, and we have yet to

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<v Speaker 2>really see the effectiveness of this one is providing healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>to a documented people through the state's medic health program.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the first year that it was implemented, Gavin

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<v Speaker 1>Newsom had to take out several loans from the state

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it afloat. Oh yeah, it was another promise

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<v Speaker 1>he can't keep.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you keep that in place as governor?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 4>Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I get an assist on that, Shang, would you.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep that in place as governor?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Okay, So the state is broke, let's make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone from Guatemala has healthcare right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean new adults can't sign up under changes that

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<v Speaker 2>the governor and legislature had to make last year because

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<v Speaker 2>of the financial situation with it. Is that would you

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<v Speaker 2>look at trying to allow new adults to sign on?

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<v Speaker 3>I understand what the thinking was. I think that's shortsighted

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<v Speaker 3>and it's everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon as you step on California soil free healthcare. Gee,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what that'll do to the illegal alien population.

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<v Speaker 3>Not cost effective and astley. That one's an easy one.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a family, you've got a child, your child's hurting,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have money, you don't have insurance. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to think of everything you can, from going to get

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<v Speaker 3>the aspirin to trying the massage in the kurandera. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're from a Mexican home.

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<v Speaker 1>What does a counanderra? I don't even want to look

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<v Speaker 1>it up. I didn't get to that lesson yet. On

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<v Speaker 1>duo lingo, I wonder if that's a witch doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever you can, that's not going to cost you a

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<v Speaker 3>arm in a leg. But if your child's still hurting

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, you're going to the hospital, and if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have insurance, and if you're not a wealthy person,

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<v Speaker 3>that bill will drive you out of your house. Whatever

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<v Speaker 3>nest egg you had has just gone. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>were looking to use that to buy a house in

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<v Speaker 3>the future, or to get help pay for your kids

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<v Speaker 3>tuition to college gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a great filibuster into not answering how are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to afford it? Okay, I just looked it up.

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<v Speaker 1>A currand Era c r A N. D Er is

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<v Speaker 1>a female Latin American folk healer who uses a holistic

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<v Speaker 1>approach combining herbal medicine, spiritualism, rituals, and indigenous traditions to

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<v Speaker 1>treat physical, emotional, and spiritual illness. So it is a

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<v Speaker 1>witch doctor one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're going to take your child to that hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>Why should we wait till you have to take your

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<v Speaker 3>child to the hospital, which means you're probably entering through

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<v Speaker 3>the emergency room. The most expensive door to walk through

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<v Speaker 3>in healthcare is the er door.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is okay. I always sold to us that

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<v Speaker 1>while we need this, because then the emergency rooms won't

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<v Speaker 1>be packed, and the emergency rooms are still packed. So

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of Obamacare is that people would have

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance so they can go to a primary care

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<v Speaker 1>physician to deal with a lot of their problems, and

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't clog up the emergency room. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>told you this friend of mine had one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>four degree fever. Went to Eisenhower Hospital in Rancho Mirage.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a town of seventeen thousand people. It is

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<v Speaker 1>almost entirely white, and it was almost entirely elderly. There

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<v Speaker 1>are very few people under the age of seventy who

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<v Speaker 1>live in that city. You're talking about a retirement community

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<v Speaker 1>essentially with a hospital. He was the only one there

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<v Speaker 1>who spoke English, the only person in Rancho Mirage in

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<v Speaker 1>the er who spoke English. What do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>odds are that the people who were in that er

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>are not residents of Rancho Mirage. I would say the

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<v Speaker 1>odds are it's pretty high, and I would say that

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<v Speaker 1>many of them are probably not here legally too. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the whole point of Obamacare to fix that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't. And now he wants to spend more money

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<v Speaker 1>on the same issue, which I guarantee you won't result

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<v Speaker 1>in empty ers.

0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 3>Why should we wait because you didn't have insurance that

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<v Speaker 3>you let the situation get so bad that now you

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<v Speaker 3>have no choice but to save your child, you go

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.640
<v Speaker 3>to the hospital through the emergency y. I'm saying no, no,

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 3>you're going.

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<v Speaker 1>To have by the way, even just to get down

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<v Speaker 1>into the weeds of this, what he's talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of bigs because kids are already covered. Kids

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<v Speaker 1>were already covered, right, And the point isn't that they

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 1>should be denied healthcare treatment. The point is this government

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the one that's supposed to be paying for it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to have access to that pediatrician, that family doc,

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 3>that obgyn now early upfront because it costs me so

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 3>much less to do upfront, then wait till it gets

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.200
<v Speaker 3>really expensive at the back end. So tell me someone

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.360
<v Speaker 3>you don't have insurance condemns them to have to use

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 3>the back end the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most How is is it someone who was the Secretary

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>of Health and Human Services doesn't understand that about children. Look,

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't get these jobs because you're smart. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have kids, and we know.

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<v Speaker 3>The back end the most expensive care.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you stop saying the back end? Don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get tempted here and cut something into a drop that

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>would be inappropriate.

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 3>The back end the most expensive care. I'm not going there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I tell you this from my own experience being

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary at HHS, from defending the Affordable Care Act as

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<v Speaker 3>AG all the way to the Supreme Court. But I'll

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 3>tell you where I learned it most from two great Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom who said, Mikojo Premier, it is always better

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<v Speaker 3>to prevent than to try to remediate.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she said that. I don't think so either.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he made that up.

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 3>And Frederick Douglas, who said it about one hundred and

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 3>sixty years.

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like the whole story about how scrub it scrub

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 1>it was his mom telling him to brush his teeth,

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>But really it's from some commercial in the fifties. He

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>made that up too.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 3>And Frederick Douglas who said it about one hundred and

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 3>sixty years ago. It is easier to build strong children

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.199
<v Speaker 3>than to repair broken men. We wait till they go

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 3>to the emergency room to repair broken men and women.

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 3>If we had built them strong and healthy at the beginning,

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 3>we'd be spending a lot less money. I'm not going

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 3>to wait till they're broken and we spend a ton

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 3>of money. I'm going to build them strong and smart

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 3>from the beginning, and that means giving him access to healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people who supported this program

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<v Speaker 2>see it as a righteous issue, as you have laid out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the question is, though, is that this program

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<v Speaker 2>became a lot more expensive than state officials braced for.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, so if that I mean, in that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can preamble all you want. Zavala is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get you back on track. Oh yeah, by the way,

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 1>he has total recall for everything that never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so if that I mean in that vein,

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 2>it'll cost maybe a lot more. I mean, or is

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 2>it just a matter of managing the state's budget better

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>than it had been.

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, who's paid if if that family's not on medical

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 3>when they do use the health services at the hospital,

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 3>who's paying not medical? So the state may not be paying,

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 3>but you're putting it now on the county, or you're

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 3>putting it on the back of that doctor or that

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 3>clinic or that hospital that doesn't get paid.

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>And we already know how much tax is that doctor's paying.

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 3>And at some point then I said, I can only

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 3>do business this way, so long before I have to

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 3>close my doors. I don't want clinics, doctors, and hospitals

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 3>to close their door. Go to rural California. They're already

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>closing hospitals. We can't afford that, and I'm not gonna

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 3>let it happen because as much as I think it's

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 3>morally right, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege.

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Economically it is not smart to wait for them to

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 3>use the most expensive care walking in through an emergency room.

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's not economically working to do what you're

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>probing because we can't afford it. No, no, and we've

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>proven that time and time again.

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 3>It is economically smarter to give people access early so

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 3>they maintain their health. We our system in healthcare unfortunately,

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and I kept saying this when I was Secretary AHHS.

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Our healthcare system is based he likes.

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>To name drop the jobs he's had a lot, oh,

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again.

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>Our healthcare system is based on treating illness. Our system

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 3>of health should be based on promoting wellness, so we

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 3>avoid the expensive care. That's why the US, California, we

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 3>have the most expensive healthcare in the world bar none,

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 3>and we still leave people without insurance.

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Who put this guy in charge of that department? A

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>senile old did? I thought that name would look very diverse.

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>This is supposed to be in theory. His strongest issue

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 1>is it not? Yes? And he constantly says he's running

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>to be the healthcare governor, and he reminds us every

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>ten seconds that he ran the Department of Health and

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Human Services, even though Grampy Joe's unaware of it. Well,

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it was a different department for Secretary of Health and

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Educations over I nominated Javier Bakaria. So there's a lot

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>more to this interview. If we have time later in

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the show, he might even get to the whole Dana

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Williamson scandal, because he gets asked a whole lot of

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>questions about that. But Johnny, when we come back, it's

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>time for the grading grating manure. Well, we've learned so

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>much listening to this interview of Javier Besserra with Ashley Zavall.

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>For example, according to the former Secretary of Health and

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Human Services, if your child has an earache, what you

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>need to do is bring in a witch doctor to

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice a virgin, because in less than until you push

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>ac green into the rocks, that kid's ear isn't getting better.

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna skip to the end of the interview. If

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>we have time, we'll go back to some more of this,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>because all of it's delicious, All thirty five minutes of

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>this interview are. It's the best interview of all the

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>governor interviews Zavala has done, because he doesn't have a

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>good answer for anything. But let's skip to what is

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 1>now being called the Zavala question. How would you grade

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the guy you're trying to replace?

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of getting it done, what grade would you give

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Governor Gavin Newsom for his last two terms as governor?

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he just had a lump in his throat. Well,

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>he's thinking, Okay, what can I say? It's not the truth.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh, so you're talking to someone who's had a balance.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>By the way, you know this question is coming. No,

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's like Kamala on the view. You should know

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 1>the question is coming, but sometimes they don't do the fundamentals.

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 3>So you're talking to someone who's had to balance a

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 3>budget bigger than the budget that Governor Newsom had a balance.

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>You're talking to someone who had to deal with the

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 3>crisis bigger than perhaps any crisis that the governor of

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 3>California had to deal with.

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Al Bundy, and you had four touchdowns

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>in a single game too.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 3>We had to save lives or across the country with COVID.

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 3>You're talking to someone who took on a rogue menacing

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>federal government the way Governor Newsom has had to do that.

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I did that when I was a g You are

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 3>going to great him?

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 4>Are you going to great him?

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 3>I am going to Okay, But I've tried to put

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 3>it in context.

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So it is he's trying to run out the clock, Ashley,

0:33:57.920 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>but you get it. You can't run out the clock

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and a pre recorded interview, Nope.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 3>So it is important to recognize when you grade someone

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 3>understand the shoes they're feeling. It's not easy to be

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 3>a governor of the biggest state, the fourth largest economy.

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 3>So what I would tell you is this, we became

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 3>the fourth largest economy under Gavin Nusso. Check we have

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 3>expanded healthcare to more Californians. Check.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Wait, that's why we're in a budget deficit. Yeah, get

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>rid of that. Check.

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Uh. There are many things that he has done well.

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 3>The other things public safety. I think he could have

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 3>been more ambitious, homelessness, could have been more ambitious, more

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 3>have people be more accountable. If I were grading, I'd say,

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 3>Gavin Newsom is going to go on to college because

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 3>he's going to graduate from my high school?

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 1>What what the hell does that mean? Uh?

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 3>What great?

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 4>For?

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 3>That's the threshold?

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And he's left the consummate professional Ashley Zavala can't even

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>contain herself with that nonsense. No, No, he doesn't graduate

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 1>high school. He doesn't even get a GEDs.

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Is going to go on to college because he's going

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>to graduate from my high school?

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, grade, that what's the threshold? He's left us in

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 3>a place. Well, I mean you could go to college

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 3>with a C. It's a lot more difficult.

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, he's just prolonging the agony.

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 3>But I think he has done many of the things

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 3>that we have asked him to do. Uh and in

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 3>some areas well. When I become governor, I'll make sure.

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 4>Well what's the grade?

0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can give him a grade.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 1>You just said you were going to give him a grade,

0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>like two minutes ago.

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 4>I thought you were going to grade him.

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, I was gonna try. But what I'm telling you,

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't in his shoes, do I You know, I

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 3>know a lot of folks who gave me a grade

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 3>on COVID say, oh, that guy was terrible, but they're

0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>still alive.

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, not all all of them.

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 3>They get to go out and not have to wear

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 3>a mask.

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Babs, how you feel about that next slide?

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you can grade anybody the way you want.

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 3>It's whether you left the place better than you saw

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>it and you started. I would absolutely say he has.

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.759
<v Speaker 1>He's tried, as can anybody say that California is in

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a better place now than it was in twenty eighteen.

0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>What kind of drugs is he on? Well, at HHS,

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 1>you get access to all of them. He must have

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>stopped piled them.

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I would absolutely say he has. He's tried and knowing

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 3>how tough it is to manage an enterprise the size

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 3>of the State of California, as the Department of Health

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 3>and Human Services, the largest public health agency in the world,

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>with a budget, as I said, bigger than the State

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.800
<v Speaker 3>of California. I know what it's like and it's easy

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 3>to grade. It's tough to accomplish.

0:36:57.800 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 4>So not a through off. You won't give me an

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 4>a through no.

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's not for me to say.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Unreal, this guy could be the next governor of California.