WEBVTT - Seneca Scott on the latest news in Oakland 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.160 And we continue at one oh five in the afternoon 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:08.000 on The John Phillips Show, broadcasting live from Claremont, California, 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.280 where Randy There's going to be a gubernatorial debate later 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.800 on this evening, and we're going to be there tonight 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.560 at five point thirty on all CBS stations statewide, so 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:23.599 CBSLA channel two to nine in southern California, KPIX five 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:28.280 in the Bay Area, CBS thirteen, CBS Sacramento, CBS eight 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.920 in San Diego. You're going to be able to watch 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.919 this debate. All eight candidates will be there, even Tony Thurmand, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.320 even Antonio Viragosa, but not Tony Atkins because he dropped 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.680 out six months ago. Said there will not be a 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:49.440 Tony Tony Tony at this debate. People love reunions, but 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.720 we're going to be there. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:56.120 We're going to be watching the debate live. And if 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.560 John has any kind of a run in with Katie 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.480 Porter at Pomona c you're gonna hear about it tomorrow. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.759 Please eight hundred two two two five two two two 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.800 is the telephone number one eight hundred two two two 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.759 five two two two. It is our pleasure to welcome 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.440 our next guest to the program. He is the host 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.119 of the Gotham Oakland podcast, which you can download wherever 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.720 you download your favorite podcast. You can also get him 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.520 on Twitter at Seneca Scott Seneca Scott. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.240 Welcome, thanks to John. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:28.400 Good to be back. 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.760 All right, so let's start out with an update on 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.880 our favorite former mayor of Oakland, California, Shang Tao. What's 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.040 going on with Shny? 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:40.119 Absolutely? 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:40.800 Absolutely? 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.520 Oh my goodness, what a funny uh. You know, no 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.680 one knows and no one seems interested. He's a if 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.320 I was actually going back. I wrote an article for 0:01:54.520 --> 0:02:00.640 the Open Report called Emotional blacks about emotional blackmail, about 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.360 this new tax measure that the firefighters are pitching, and 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.400 took to remind everyone of how many people support a 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.320 Shin and how passionate they were, that she was a 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.000 good person who did not deserve to be recalled. And 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.400 remember she said I'm not going anywhere. Well she went away. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.079 No one knows where she is. She hasn't been seen 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.799 in public in months, and far as we know, she 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.760 hasn't talked the plea either. So the trial will be 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.360 on October nineteenth. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.919 I wonder if it benefits her or works against her. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.840 For the fact that they're going to wait a long 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.679 time obviously before this goes to trial, and people's memories 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.560 are not as long as they used to be. If 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.639 they wait a couple of years, no one's going to 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.239 remember her at all. I wonder if that helps her. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.840 Well, it's start a court of public opinion. It's the 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.960 court of for law. And so even if the jury 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:06.160 that they ultimately select it's unfamiliar or memory has faded, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.080 they're gon't even be reminded when they present their case. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.760 And that's how Who matters is the jury and the 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.560 decision that they make. And so not that public opinion 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.400 does have it does not have any influence over a jury. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:24.360 I don't think it matters as much. Actually, the ZiT guys, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.680 the political zite guides, has shifted more toward exposing corruption. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.840 If you look at Nick Shirley, if you look at 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.880 all of a sudden Gavin Newsom's renewed interest in exposing 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:40.240 fraud as well as a toney general of our Bonta right, 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.200 the corruption is the cause the jure, and so this 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:49.840 trial is highly anticipated because it's not just about former 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.400 mayor Centile, it's not just about the Doon family. We're 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.160 waiting to see what happens with information about the Bonta 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.040 here in Oakland. We're waiting to see how many other 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.800 people who well currently in positions of power and influence 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.440 in Oakland, California, had something to do with Shankao's life 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.119 to power, or who at least knew about her coruption 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:14.000 and let it go on because they got something out 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:14.320 of it. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.960 You mentioned the Bontes and Nick Shirley. Mia Bonta, who 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.400 is the assembly woman from Oakland, was the author of 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.719 legislation that would go after citizen journalists like Nick Shirley, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.160 which sparked Nick Shirley to show up to the California 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.919 State Capitol in Sacramento to make his case to legislators 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.280 in person. When she was asked about Nick Shirley specifically, 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.960 Nick Shirley, of course, is the one who exposed all 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.680 of the fraud going on at the hospice centers in 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:50.840 the San Fernando Valley, among other fraud, and Mia Banta 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.520 claims that she had never heard of Nick Shirley before 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.800 and didn't have him in mind when she wrote this legislation. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:58.120 What do you make of that? 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.680 I think that it's a comical level of dishonesty, and 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.279 it shows how blazon California progressives has gotten and how 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.640 confident they are that it doesn't really matter what they 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.920 do or say that there are no consequences for their 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.400 bad behavior. It's just it's so dumb to think that 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:25.520 anyone would believe that, Like the how targeted this legislation 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.760 is to the bombshell and the fact that her husband 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.919 had to respond to it as a toney general and 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:37.919 not to start charging people. I mean, it's just come on, Mia, like, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:39.880 get out of there. They're not to get out of 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.080 their bubble or maybe not. I mean, what's the old 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.360 saying when the enemy is making a mistake, don't interrupt them. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.839 So maybe I should just encourage her keep going, me, 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.480 keep go go, We'll get it. Go go. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:57.520 Well, it's wild to me that the attitude and it's 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.320 not just from the Bonds. Newsome had this attitude too, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:04.440 because his social media team attacked Nick Shirley with Nick 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.400 Shirley exposed the fraud with the hospice centers, and it 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.600 seems like their attitude is we should be angry at 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.800 the people who are exposing the corruption and not at 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.160 the people who are corrupt who are stealing from taxpayers, 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.839 because if none of this was exposed, then no one 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.240 would know about it, and we could talk about other things. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.159 Well, and I can keep stilling on money. The people 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:36.880 who are the gatekeeper very likely all sides point to 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.159 it involved with or at least knowledgeable about the collection. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.479 So you know, it's kind of obvious why they're attacking 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.040 people who are exposing it is because they're given away 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.119 what side there on they should be enclosing this level 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.680 of exposure. But what do you make of the recent 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.320 news that guy Vin Newsom was notified a decade ago, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.600 over decade ago about the levels of flawed in Hapu's 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.719 care A news centers a lot of the things that 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:12.040 were exposed who got noticed of a decade ago? 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.480 Well, one of the departments in the state of California 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.360 that is actually performing quite well as the California State Auditor, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.320 And so a lot of the waste, fraud and abuse 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:29.200 that exists in California government isn't buried away where no 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.400 one can find it. They're finding it and they're putting 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.280 in reports. It's just the Electeds and Sacramento are choosing 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.360 not to do anything with it. When a journalist like 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:43.120 Nick Shirley goes and exposes all of the fraud with 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.360 the hospice care. It's not like he just randomly woke 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.000 up one morning and showed up and, oh, look what 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:53.080 I stumbled upon. He's going to these reports and he's 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.520 seeing what's in black and white that the state legislature 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:01.120 is theoretically seeing too. Just unlike them, he's deciding to 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.880 act on it and just expose them on the internet. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.520 But if Galvin Newsom or Robonta or any of these 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.120 people wanted to be proactive about it, they could. They 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.640 just choose not to, which is funny because now Galvin 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.360 Newsom and Robonta are trying to portray themselves as law 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.720 enforcement officers fighting corruption. 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.840 I mean, the only people who believe that are the 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.400 fellow progressive cult members, which, as much as I laugh 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.200 at them and call them soggies, unfortunately represents at least 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.400 one fifth of voters nationwide and probably more like one 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.520 third of voters in the state of California, making them 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:43.440 a very formidable and dangerous coup, which is exactly what 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.800 they are. So it's quite frightening again to see how 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.640 confident these people are. So they can continue this bad 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.960 behavior and just lie to our face and think that 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.720 anybody's going to buy it. But when you look at 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.360 the comment sections of anything, you never see any weren't 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.560 buying it. Even their supporters are too ashamed to you know, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.440 beat their chest and act like they're really behind this 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.520 type of stuff, even though they're going to vote that 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.000 way and they can count on it. Uh, it looks 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.679 like there's there's some issues there. Also, if you look 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.440 at the governor's race that you're you're about to motivate 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:22.240 or that you're at today, look about think about how 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:27.319 all the unions which usually work in lockstep are sort 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.319 of in some inner competition with each other around these candidates, 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:36.439 which each shall be at least Katie Porter mayheand I'm 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.640 not Mayhand. I'm sorry he doesn't have much union and support, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.400 but Katie Porter and Staya having a significant amount of 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.920 very influential unions who usually work together, as I said before, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:50.640 on the Central Labor Council. So that's something's going on. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.400 I can't quite put my finger on it, but it 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.559 looks like they're recognizing that they're losing the people and 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.439 that nobody's buying their bs. Anymore. And so there's the 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.120 look for ways to we pland himself. And I think 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.760 that there's some differences of opinion amongst the progressive on 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:08.960 the best way to do that. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.800 Why do you think they're not on the same page 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.720 this time around? Do you think it's traced back to 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.400 the expectation that Kamala Harris was going to be the 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.760 candidate and that everyone would get behind her and there 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.679 wouldn't be a question. So there was no forward planning, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.160 no forward thinking going on at all, where they were 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:34.840 looking at these candidates two three years ago and sizing 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.920 them up. And then when she took a pass on 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.160 the race, people expected Alex Padilla to jump in and 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.040 they would all get behind him, and then he decided 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.360 at the eleventh hour not to get in the race, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.920 and they were just caught flat footed. And when unions 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.080 are caught flat footed, that puts them in a bad place. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:00.240 You know. I don't pay attention enough to it to 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.960 speak to a high level on it. So I don't 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.800 want to claim or know something I don't, but I 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.959 will shoot from the hip and say what I feel 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:18.160 if that's okay. Sure, So some of these people aren't 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.520 bad people. A lot of the progressives, even the ones 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.800 who may know about the bad behavior or have heard 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.480 of it, aren't benefited from it financially, and maybe they 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.280 will offer it in a good faith or be a 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:36.200 user's useful idiots for nefarious causes. And I think that 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.840 they're not willing to go down with the ship from 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.800 people who they're discovering have been, you know, stealing money 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:46.440 and doing things that are very bad, and so that 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.880 could be part of it. The more the corruption goes 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.640 and more it gets exposed, people and just self interest 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:58.520 start to act different. Another issue is what allows people 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:03.840 to get elected and Swallowell, there's some significant insight into that, right, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.320 so everybody knew what that dude was doing. Man, and 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.120 then people who want to get mad like, well, if 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.480 you knew, why don't you say anything. It's like because 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.560 just accused public figures of crimes like that, you'll get sued. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.360 The guy's a lawyer, you know, like you have to 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.120 have evidence. So before anybody asked me that come forth 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.679 and took rich themselves to do so even if you 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.920 knew about it, you really couldn't say much. Also, they 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:34.600 like people like that Shintow, Swallowell, maybe Rob Bonta. It 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.079 looked like the Democrats like people who are compromise doesn't 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.319 work for it, that they have a German world or 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.560 Russian world. I don't know what I'm playing. I know 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.640 what I see there, you go, my man. So like 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.840 they like that type of stuff, that's their vibebe and 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.920 so they don't like good people, and so they don't 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.439 put good, honest sleeper with ties to any positions of authority. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.400 Because the moment's actually trying to solve a problem faith, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.760 the first thing you realize is something's wrong here, and 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.440 then you start playing detectives, and then you realize, oh crap, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.800 this is corrupt a hell. Right, That's exactly what happened 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.160 to me. I didn't know anything about politics until I 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.840 went in for city council, and then I ran familiar 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.840 and as I was trying to be a good candidate 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.319 and really learn the jobs is that I was trying 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.120 to win, it is expected to win, and then I 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.040 would have to perform the duties. I took it serious 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.160 bly started trying to figure out how would I solve 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.760 our problem? And the first thing I see is a 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.600 holy crap, it's corrupt as hell. That's why you can't 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.800 solve the problem. These people are stealing money hand over fifth, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.760 they're using Oakland's budget as a way to reward themselves 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.199 and their political allies and keep the cycle of corruption going. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.359 And Oakland is the same as the state of California. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.040 It's the stay at the state of the Democratic Party nationwide. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.920 And it's actually very tragic because that we have no 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.079 will left in America if you're looking at what the 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.360 left is apposed to represent, the actual real interests of 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.320 the people who can point to measurable results and things 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.559 that are working to help improve the trajectory and traditions 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.800 of the working class and the upper economic mobility of 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.920 the working class, and you look at the progressive's handy work, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.120 which due to the exact opposite, America has no real left. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.760 And so I think that's actually tragic for the political 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.760 spect to being balanced in the sleve in California with 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.840 a one party state that in places very bad, toxic people, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.280 and I think all of them are like that to 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.320 this point, and so they don't have anybody to go 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.160 to because they. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:49.800 All stock Oh Josh, you gotta dump that, all right, 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.000 Do you believe you referenced Eric Swalwell, who was a 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.760 longtime member of Congress in the East Bay, and he 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.200 was able to hold that seat for a long time 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.200 without any of his skeletons coming out because I guess 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.000 he didn't fly too close to the sun. But when 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.000 he ran for governor, he flew too close to the sun, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.360 and that's when everything came out, and that's when his 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.000 career was ended. Do you believe that had Rob Banta 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:20.080 ran for governor instead of re election for attorney general, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.520 he would have gotten some of the Swallowell treatment. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.040 So, first of all, I do know that that's the 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.320 conventional things and he flew too close to the sun. 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:34.160 But that's not my hypothesis at all. I think it's 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:35.960 a lot more simple than that. And if you know 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.840 the people behind it, then maybe you agree with me. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.760 So I'll hear you what I think happened. Tom Steia 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:47.960 is backed by California Noses Association. California Noses Association was 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.880 the ones who almost got Bony that with a single 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.600 pay of platform with a big red bus that used 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:58.560 to follow him around the country. And Rosa Tomorrow and 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.200 Michael Lighty if you know those names and you know them, 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.280 two of the most intelligent. I don't know if they 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.880 run the union anymore, but they start. Look, California Nurses 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.640 Association is not someone to mess around with. And the 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.000 moment I saw that they were back in Sia, I 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.280 knew that anyone in their past had a problem coming. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.520 And so it's my hypothesis that that's just good old 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.920 old fashioned California nice fight in the phone booth politics 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:30.200 and California Noteses Association and Tom Shia paid enough people 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.840 and took him out, all right. So I don't think 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.080 that he flew too close to the sun. I think 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.760 he was actually going to be our next governor, and 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.480 had they did not want to file. You know, Tom 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.600 Steyer's ambition has not grown so much that they did 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.960 what they always do. They're taking each other out. At 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.600 this point, there's going to be more coming on other candidates. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.400 I predent. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.920 Because using your logic here, then Katie Porter is standing 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.560 in the way of the Nurses Association, and so is 0:16:58.640 --> 0:16:59.520 Javier Basera. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.119 Oh. I feel bad for him, bro, but out to 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.520 finish the question, Bounca, I think it's more about that 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.960 trial in October. I think that Rob Bouncer would have 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.399 won government easy had he not had any issues with 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:22.720 the zoos in Shintau who swore in familiar and until 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.760 he can get clear of that, political future as uncertain. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:32.320 So somehow he escapes unscathed, then he'll be right back 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.480 in the game and you can expect his trajectory to 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.080 continue because he's a very smart person and a very 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.960 skilled politician. But if he doesn't, you know, it's a 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.119 big risk for him, so personally, and so I just 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.879 the more if you're wanting for governor, there's more scrutiny, 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.919 and it's just I'm feel bad for the party because again, 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.639 these things are being innocent to proven guilty. That's the 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.880 court of off thing, that in a public opinion thing. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.680 So if I was my opposition, his opposition, I will 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.359 exploit that. And he's just got too much badge an 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.439 apple out there who means to sit down until it 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.080 goes away, and he probably can win, So this Jeno 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:12.920 are much easier. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:19.680 Seneca Scott, host of the Gothamoakland podcast. If you haven't 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.320 checked out that podcast, definitely check it out. All the 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.000 latest news on the political scene in Oakland and so 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.640 much more on that Gotham Oakland podcast. Seneca Scott, Thanks 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:31.640 so much for stopping by. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.040 Thanks for having me John take care. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.439 If you'd like to email the show, you can do 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.680 so at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.320 That's Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com, and Randy, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.240 you're monitoring the mail bag. Chris writes in at Johnny 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.720 don't like show at gmail dot com on the subject 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.800 line new listener, Greetings radio heads. I recently left the 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.000 Godfather Show at KFI John Cobalt because he left his 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.240 one to four slot and I can't listen to their 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.000 current talent while trying to digest my boloney sandwich. I 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.400 have been been listening to AM radio since the late sixties, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.400 and I can tell you that you two know how 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.640 it is, and I wish I had discovered you earlier. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.280 You make me laugh numerous times with your soundbites. Absolutely 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:20.040 absolutely and many others. Please don't ever change outstanding job, guys, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:23.920 to which I responded absolutely absolutely. I sent him the 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.359 MP three eight hundred two two two five two two 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.160 two is jellphone number one eight hundred two two two 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.399 five two two two here with an update on the 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.800 City of Dumpy. Mister Randy Wayne. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.119 You know this has really been an issue for the 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:38.919 City of Dumpy. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:40.040 Excuse me. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:44.160 A new audit has shown that the City of Dumpy 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.919 is not just being dumped on by outside contractors, but 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.560 also you know who's dumping in the City of Dumpy, 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:54.960 Oakland ers themselves. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:57.960 I guess word got out. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.639 Well for some people, you see a giant pile of 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.440 garbage and you're like, well, why go to the dump? 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.879 I said, hell, no, baby boy, let me get up 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:09.480 on out of here. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.320 But it's not only that contributing to the illegal dumping 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.879 problem in the city of Oakland. For more on the 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.440 audit here is kron four. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.160 D of Oakland just announced a new series of initiatives 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.160 to combat illegal dumping in that city, and now an 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.160 auditor's report zero is in on who is dumping the 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.120 most and why corn Forest Dan Kerman reports. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.080 Why because why not? Because it's free? 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.440 Illegal dumping has long been a problem in the city 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.120 of Oakland. Now a new report by the city auditor 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.879 has uncovered it's not just out of area contractors using 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.600 Oakland as a dumping ground. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.119 A lot of the problems driven by residents. 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.720 So it's not contractors in Fremont. Well, I'm sure they 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:57.920 have that problem too. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.520 So residents just throwing their trash things that you would 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.880 see in residents private trash bags. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:07.439 We saw them all over the streets of Oakland. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:09.040 City Auditor Michael Houston. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:14.120 Such just lots of little debbie rappers. I don't live there. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:16.720 We saw them all over the streets of Oakland. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.240 City Auditor Michael Houston says one of the reasons Oakland 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.000 ers may be dirting their own city is because of 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:24.960 how much trash pickup costs. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.920 This is one of the things that does not get 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.600 talked about enough when it comes to the illegal dumping 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.119 problem in the city of Dumpy. You have to go 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.040 all the way back to the crooked contract that was 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:40.920 authored to California Waste Solutions to be the trash provider, 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.800 which is the Dong family. And in fact, Oakland Report 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.240 has a fantastic thread about this on social media. Why 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.119 is Oakland to Washington illegal dumping? According to a recent audit, 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:56.600 Oakland's trash pickup fees are exorbitantly high. Rebecca Kaplan, who 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.720 was Sheng Tao's mentor when on the city council in 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.400 twenty twenty fourteen, helped steer Oakland's recycling contract to California 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:09.080 Waste Solutions. Waste Management filed a lawsuit claiming the contract 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:13.600 was unlawfully steered due to personal and political connections, something 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.040 that we know the Dong family has done a lot 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.800 of a few years later, the owners of California Wate Solutions, 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.880 David and Andy Dong, were federally indicted making illegal political 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:30.560 donations to several Oakland politicians, including Rebecca Kaplan, including Rabanta, 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:32.720 and of course including Shang E. Tal. 0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:34.840 That's right, I like that. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:35.640 That is amazing. 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.200 The FPPC alleged that over thirty five hundred dollars was 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.000 routed to Kaplan through several straw donors. Kaplan denied any 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:47.640 awareness or wrongdoing. Today, Oakland's trash fees are fifty percent 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:51.240 higher than the average fees in other cities. 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:56.639 And when they are artificially high, people don't pay it. 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:01.240 What they do is they dump it illegally costs. 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:07.320 We found that our hauling rates were among the highest within. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.120 I mean, this is the same thing that we saw 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:14.040 going on in Los Angeles. It costs you more to 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.959 take a load of trash to the dump than to 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:23.520 pay the illegal dumping fine. And that's if you get caught, but. 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:27.200 Even among those jurisdictions that used the same contracted hauler. 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.000 But the audit also found the city has not done 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.840