WEBVTT - Adam Copeland breaks down the Niners/Chargers game

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back sports phone here on a Friday night, John

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<v Speaker 1>Dickinson sitting in and let's go out to the UMA

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<v Speaker 1>guest line. I don't I don't know if this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been a guest on the UMA guest line, but

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<v Speaker 1>host by day, guest by night. Adam Copeland, the fine

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<v Speaker 1>host of course of dirty work with Derek Poppa and

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine or pre and post game here on the

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Leader as well with Todd Husack for the home games,

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<v Speaker 1>with yours truly for the away games. And we were

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<v Speaker 1>together last night together now right here on these Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Leader copes. Thanks for taking some time out, brother, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, dude?

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<v Speaker 3>I have been a guest before on the YUMA guest line,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm really more of a Cash Creek text line

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<v Speaker 3>or a Golden State Lumber and showroom text line guy,

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<v Speaker 3>as you well know, Jed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes as I yes, a big Golden State Lumber and

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<v Speaker 1>showroom text line guy. I am as well. Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>dive into it. We had the pre and post game

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<v Speaker 1>from the Chargers game. A lot of talk today about

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<v Speaker 1>the younger players, in particular the young skill players in

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<v Speaker 1>Dejon Stribbling and Kaylon Black so I think you have

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<v Speaker 1>to start there. We both were looking to see Dejon

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<v Speaker 1>Stribbling have the Charger game be an extension of the

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<v Speaker 1>game against the Titans, and he really he delivered again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well one of the forty nine ers best skill sets

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<v Speaker 3>last year, one of the things they did better, or

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<v Speaker 3>the thing they did better than anybody was convert on

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<v Speaker 3>third down, and they lost one of their top receivers

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<v Speaker 3>who was great at that in the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 3>in Juwan Jennings. So taking to Jon Stribbling number thirty

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<v Speaker 3>three overall, I mean, I think the hope was not

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<v Speaker 3>just had more speed and athleticism, but also to try

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<v Speaker 3>to replace a weapon that was going to help them

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<v Speaker 3>pick up third downs. You also got to remember they're

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna have George Kittle. Seemingly for the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. I know there was that chefter report that

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<v Speaker 3>said he's got a shot to play week one. I

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<v Speaker 3>think you and I are on the same page that

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<v Speaker 3>it's more likely probably in the after the first month

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<v Speaker 3>or sometime around that time, even if he's ahead of schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>But having a player you can rely on on third down,

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<v Speaker 3>it was really nice to see Scribbling out there with

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<v Speaker 3>brock perty Now we're going to go to one demerit

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<v Speaker 3>that we can hand out to scribbling, and you have

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<v Speaker 3>to find one from game one and he corrected a

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<v Speaker 3>game two, week one of the preseason against Tennessee. His

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<v Speaker 3>only drop on eight targets he had seven catches was

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<v Speaker 3>on the opening drive on third down. His only drop

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<v Speaker 3>in game two on the five targets was what would

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<v Speaker 3>have been a thirty three yard touchdown grab. So that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff you want to see, you change a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>or hone in on. But the guy's a rookie and

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<v Speaker 3>he looked really good out there against the ones of

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<v Speaker 3>Tennessee week one, So a great addition. I don't need

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<v Speaker 3>to see more of him, I don't think in week

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<v Speaker 3>three of the preseason, especially because I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>I think the receiving room is not I mean, we

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<v Speaker 3>know it's not as deep now as it was on

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<v Speaker 3>paper to start the year. It's also different looking than

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<v Speaker 3>it did at the start a training camp without Rooky

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<v Speaker 3>Piersoll if you got the addition of Deebo Samuel. Still

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<v Speaker 3>haven't see Mike Evans, no Christian Kirk, And there's probably

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<v Speaker 3>some debater question as to whether or not he'll even

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<v Speaker 3>start the year on the fifty three man since he

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<v Speaker 3>got hurt. I want to say it was day one

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<v Speaker 3>or day two of practice at the start of training camp.

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<v Speaker 3>So scribbling is as positive of a result or an

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<v Speaker 3>outcome I think as a fan could have from a

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<v Speaker 3>player they're hoping to see early in the season and

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<v Speaker 3>to be a contributor. And it's nice to see a

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<v Speaker 3>rookie receiver find his way into a game and find

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<v Speaker 3>success even in the preseason under Kyle Shanaehm. We'll see

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<v Speaker 3>what it looks like when the season opens, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think everybody's expecting to see a lot of him and

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<v Speaker 3>be involved in the offense early on.

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<v Speaker 1>They need him, I mean, that's the bottom line. The

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<v Speaker 1>reason to say you've seen enough is point blank. They

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<v Speaker 1>need him, and you'd hate to see anything happen to

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<v Speaker 1>him in a preseason game three after he's played so well.

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<v Speaker 1>That would put Week one or anything potentially beyond Week

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<v Speaker 1>one in jeopardy. Talk about Adam Copeland here on The

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Leader, Kaylon Black, he was sort of the question mark.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt a lot like last week's deajon stribbling, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's the guy that you wanted to see. You wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see how he could potentially compliment Christian McCaffrey should

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<v Speaker 1>he get opportunities, and he from the very first carry,

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<v Speaker 1>I think showed an element that we really haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of the other forty nine er running

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<v Speaker 1>backs since Christian McCaffrey's been on this squad.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a different case.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you just pointed out, Dajon Scribbling is a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that they need, like they're going to rely on him

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<v Speaker 3>to be a contributor this year. I tell you what

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<v Speaker 3>last night's game from Kaylon Black, I think was big

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<v Speaker 3>for him, absolutely, but I think it was big for

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like calming some of those waters. Like Week

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<v Speaker 3>one of the preseason, we didn't know what his status

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<v Speaker 3>was going to be. He was dealing with a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of an injury. Jordan James has not been able to

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<v Speaker 3>get on the field. He's been hurt as well. Isaac

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<v Speaker 3>Garndo is still working his way back and it's seemingly

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<v Speaker 3>played himself out of favor after the last couple of seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was a situation where it wasn't just about hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you need somebody for Christian McCaffrey. It's what does the

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<v Speaker 3>depth of this running back room look like if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have Kaylon Black or Jordan James healthy at the

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<v Speaker 3>start of the season, so I thin had to bring

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<v Speaker 3>Khalil Herbert back as a mere Whites and see McCormick

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<v Speaker 3>is here. They've got a slew of guys who are

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<v Speaker 3>back there right now in some vets who I think

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<v Speaker 3>they'd probably like to hold on to one of those

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<v Speaker 3>guys on the practice squad or as the third running

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<v Speaker 3>back if Jordan James is not available at the start

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<v Speaker 3>of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Trending that way. But it was big, I think to

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<v Speaker 3>know that you've got another reliable piece, not reliable, but

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<v Speaker 3>a guy you think after one game you can get

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<v Speaker 3>some confidence out of you expect to be a part

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<v Speaker 3>of this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think his role expands the year goes on.

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<v Speaker 3>I pointed out to you before the game last night

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<v Speaker 3>that the most success the Niners have had with using

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<v Speaker 3>two running backs in my mind, while Christian McCaffrey's been here,

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<v Speaker 3>is the twenty twenty three season where Elijah Mitchell kind

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<v Speaker 3>of became the grinder at the end of games. You

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<v Speaker 3>didn't need McCaffrey to run out of the clock when

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<v Speaker 3>you're up two or three scores in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 3>you saw a lot of split carries.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point.

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<v Speaker 3>You were able to spread him out wide and still

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<v Speaker 3>go with a running back in the backfield. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's what Kaylon Black maybe offers you down the road.

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<v Speaker 3>But we saw some really strong runs. Better runs last

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<v Speaker 3>night is opening run. We were watching it together five yards.

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<v Speaker 3>Then later on in that first drift picks up a

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<v Speaker 3>first down on a third and one on an easy

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<v Speaker 3>two yard carry. He's a guy who's gonna bring a

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<v Speaker 3>different style of running. And because they've got Deebo Samuel,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really intrigued to see how they use this backfield

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<v Speaker 3>because you know Kyle Hustcheck will get carries at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>not tons of them, but he's a part of that

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<v Speaker 3>backfield offense. You've got Deebo Samuel, who they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>run tons of end of rounds with. I think you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to see more of the wide back. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why we would expect to see Deebo used in

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<v Speaker 3>a different way, but if you add a different type

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<v Speaker 3>of runner in the way that Kaylon Black is, I

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<v Speaker 3>think there's reason to be excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Not about spelling McAffrey. That's what everybody talks about.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes you know, you'd never say, hey, Barry Bonds

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<v Speaker 3>or Steph Curry, you need to take fewer threes and

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<v Speaker 3>take fewer swings, you know what I mean. We gotta

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<v Speaker 3>get those guys less work. What you're looking for is

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<v Speaker 3>somebody that gives breaks to McCaffrey or gives the Niners

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<v Speaker 3>offense an opportunity to let McCaffrey operate at the highest level.

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<v Speaker 3>Because his yards per carry were not great last year.

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<v Speaker 3>He ran into the backs of a lot of offensive

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<v Speaker 3>linemen and they didn't get much push. One of the worst,

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<v Speaker 3>if not the worst in the league in yards per

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<v Speaker 3>carry last season. So it's not just about change of pace.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about what does this allow in terms of diversity

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<v Speaker 3>of the offense to do. And I think Kaylon Black

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<v Speaker 3>offers you that opportunity, and he's really I mean, you'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to have a guy with this skill set as

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<v Speaker 3>a true number two. I mean, Patrick Taylor never moved me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was even nervous a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 3>Isaac Garndo was the number two guy. It's like, it's unreliable,

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<v Speaker 3>unproven stuff. Same with Kaylon Black, but I think the

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<v Speaker 3>style of runner and the role they're going to offer

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<v Speaker 3>him different than Elijah Mitchell in style. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's gonna give them some more diversity and versatility

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<v Speaker 3>offensively well.

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<v Speaker 1>And it also, I think is somebody in Kaylon Black that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you are in the unfortunate position where maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have Christian McCaffrey. I feel like Kaylon Black

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<v Speaker 1>gives Kyle Shanahan a running back that is nothing really

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<v Speaker 1>like Christian McCaffrey, but is very much the style of

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<v Speaker 1>runner that Kyle could build a different playbook around in

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<v Speaker 1>an interim and and be able to win with essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we've seen that before. He's he's shifty

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<v Speaker 1>but also powerful and so yeah, it wouldn't be the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian McCaffrey offense necessarily, but I think the three really

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<v Speaker 1>complemented each other, between Christian McCaffrey and deebo and and

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<v Speaker 1>Kaylon Black. And let's let's not uh, let's not forget

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<v Speaker 1>Sincere McCormack, who was gonna ask you about that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he might be playing his way onto this team toward

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<v Speaker 1>the back end of the roster.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of what I was gonna ask you, is,

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<v Speaker 3>is Kaylen Black I think is. I mean, he used

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<v Speaker 3>the draft pick on him, they expected him to be

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<v Speaker 3>in this running back room. But I think Jordan James

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<v Speaker 3>may have been the odds on favorite to be the

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<v Speaker 3>number three guy or that third option for Michael Hasty type,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, somebody else back there the Niners

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<v Speaker 3>could have. But if he's not ready, you'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>go with a veteran as your third guy. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the role Patrick Taylor had played. Now, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're in that role, you probably got to play on

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<v Speaker 3>some special teams too. That's sort of the third running

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<v Speaker 3>back situation. That's something that Patrick Taylor did and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's probably why he was here, and he had

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship with Bran Boyer. But he's on the IR now.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't even know if it's a Black versus

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<v Speaker 3>Sincere McCormick. I think if you don't have Jordan James,

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<v Speaker 3>McCormick right now is the odds on favor to be

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<v Speaker 3>that third back, and probably even a guy you could

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<v Speaker 3>split carries between with Black as the number two. Kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a hybrid two three, is the way I see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, He's somebody that I think you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way to keep around, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the roster and or the practice squad. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think running backs do frequently get picked up off of

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<v Speaker 1>teams practice squads, you know, around the league. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like that's one position where guys get plucked more frequently

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<v Speaker 1>due to injuries and teams potentially running you know, similar

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<v Speaker 1>systems and all of that. So I will see what

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<v Speaker 1>happens with Jordan James in terms of the injury, because

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<v Speaker 1>they do know. The Niners like him, But it could

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<v Speaker 1>be an opportunity for somebody like Sincere McCormick to find

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<v Speaker 1>his way onto maybe the fifty three, depending upon how

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<v Speaker 1>it plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple more.

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes here with Adam Copeland joining me here, John Dickinson

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<v Speaker 1>sports phone on a Friday night, Cowing and Watkins, Watkins

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<v Speaker 1>and Cowing. Cowing has the eighty three yard punt return

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<v Speaker 1>for a touchdown. Watkins has a nice game and a

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<v Speaker 1>great block on one of the big Sincere McCormick runs.

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<v Speaker 1>If it comes down to one versus the other, who

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<v Speaker 1>do you think gives the forty nine ers the best

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<v Speaker 1>chance to help on game day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting because you're right, as big as the touchdown

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<v Speaker 3>reception and a couple of those big catches, I think there

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<v Speaker 3>was a twenty four yard grab out there from Watkins yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>As big as that was, the block is probably the

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<v Speaker 3>one that Kyle Shanahan looks at and says, Hey, that's

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<v Speaker 3>how you perform and get playing time in this offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I start of put it this way, does the block

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<v Speaker 1>in essence throw out the eighty three yard touchdown? But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at it from the Kyle Shanahan lens,

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<v Speaker 1>does the Watkins block on the big mccorbick run, is

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<v Speaker 1>that a greater net positive for Watkins than the negative

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<v Speaker 1>of the field position lost the ball in the lights

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<v Speaker 1>for Cali Like it feels like those could be the

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<v Speaker 1>two things that ultimately maybe sway it one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other in Kyle's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, And if Jacob Cowing does fair catch that ball

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't bounce and lose it in the lights

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<v Speaker 3>and costin niners thirty yards and field position, are we even.

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<v Speaker 2>Really having this discussion?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a fair conversation because the blocking is

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<v Speaker 3>something that Kyle's looking at. No block, no rock for

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<v Speaker 3>the receivers, and it's why it's been so tough, seemingly

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<v Speaker 3>under Kyle Shanahan for receivers to get playing time or

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<v Speaker 3>get on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>It's why guys like Juwan Jennings show up.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one of the best blockers in the league, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was out there really from his first year and

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<v Speaker 3>got opportunities in the passing game later on. But this

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<v Speaker 3>whole offense is predicated on running the football. So really

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<v Speaker 3>the question you're asking JDS, would you rather keep like

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<v Speaker 3>a slightly potentially a slightly better receiver, because I think

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<v Speaker 3>Watkins is the better receiver or the guy who can

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<v Speaker 3>legitimately change a game on special teams. There's one that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a more long standing, consistent one. There's

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<v Speaker 3>another us An element here, and that's if you had

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<v Speaker 3>to pick one, which is the guy that's more likely

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<v Speaker 3>to pass through waivers and that you can put on

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<v Speaker 3>the practice squad.

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<v Speaker 2>And my thought is probably probably Cowing is my thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Cowing is the guy that would be more

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<v Speaker 1>apt to be able to be put through and you could,

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<v Speaker 1>you could bring him back. Watkins, I just think would

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<v Speaker 1>help you more if he had to play the wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver spot. I just and I feel like even if

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<v Speaker 1>you pencil him in as say you're number five wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver right now, or if it winds up being your

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<v Speaker 1>your six, depending upon how you do the numbers, I

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<v Speaker 1>think if he's your five, he's a five that if

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<v Speaker 1>he had to because of injury, bump up and be

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<v Speaker 1>a three, he would have the ability to be more

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<v Speaker 1>productive more consistently than than Cowing. And so I would

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<v Speaker 1>still probably lean Watkins over Cowing. But they got to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the punt return thing. I mean, they put

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<v Speaker 1>Debo back by yeah in the game against the Chargers

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<v Speaker 1>last night, like they are searching for somebody that can

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<v Speaker 1>return punts. Well, just catch punts. If I if I

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<v Speaker 1>about the age of three, just there, catch it now.

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<v Speaker 3>Here if I had to, if I like, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of avenues, they could go here, right Because that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thought is I would assume if it's not Jacob

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<v Speaker 3>Cowing and he doesn't make the team, And again right now,

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<v Speaker 3>he probably and this probably even depends on Christian Kirk

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<v Speaker 3>and really what happens in this third game, He's got

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<v Speaker 3>to prove he makes a mistake, Like in the third game,

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<v Speaker 3>or a Muffswolle. That's probably it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to prove that the eighty three yarder wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>an anomaly. But the offense is on the field a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kyle knows he's gonna need a lot of receivers

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to calling in the grand scheme of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you having that element of a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who can break the game open. And we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>it on the post game. The Niners haven't had a

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<v Speaker 3>putt return for a touchdown in a real game since

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<v Speaker 3>twenty eleven, the first game that Jim Harbaugh ever coached

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<v Speaker 3>in San Francisco. So how big of a deal is

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<v Speaker 3>one special teams play in player evaluation is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the question I would ask, and I would say it

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<v Speaker 3>probably doesn't carry as much weight as the snaps that

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<v Speaker 3>Jacob that Jordan Watkins was playing in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>catches he made, the blocks that he laid, the routes

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<v Speaker 3>that he ran. I think he offers you more offensively,

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<v Speaker 3>and if you don't go with calling Deebo, Samuel offers

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<v Speaker 3>you a fine like just a fine option. I think

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<v Speaker 3>as a part returner, I don't think he's elite. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that's an excellent choice, and it's probably not ideal,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think it offers you that if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to take that out and not put Cowing on the

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<v Speaker 3>roster because you need to crunch somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem with that quick one here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you got to scoot get out to your

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night as we both do here, and head into

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. But on the defensive side, the defense played

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<v Speaker 1>well in the game, but I don't know that there

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of individual standouts that I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>made a name in terms of the active roster in

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make of the defense?

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<v Speaker 1>Because they did play well, But did we learn anything

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<v Speaker 1>that makes you feel better about some of the concerns

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<v Speaker 1>that you might have had pass rusher otherwise?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a lot of talk.

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<v Speaker 3>This week about the secondary and how the secondary performed

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<v Speaker 3>in the joint practice against the Chargers. I didn't think

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<v Speaker 3>we saw anything that made me feel any different or

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<v Speaker 3>think I don't have higher hopes for the defense. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I should say after that game against the Chargers,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, again, one sack in the game, fine, but

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<v Speaker 3>where's the pass rush and this was an issue that

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<v Speaker 3>they had in the joint practices. Osia Digi Zuo Osai

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<v Speaker 3>Digi zoo is moving. The pocket was potentially going to

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<v Speaker 3>close on some sacks and couldn't get to Justin Herbert.

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<v Speaker 3>This was of course reported out of the joint practice

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<v Speaker 3>because there's nobody on the outside to clean it up. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if bos is there, maybe that's a little bit different,

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<v Speaker 3>but you still don't have anybody on the opposite side.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what we've talked about for years.

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<v Speaker 3>The one thing I'm looking at specifically and heading into

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<v Speaker 3>two week three of the preseason, Ronaldo Green will see

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<v Speaker 3>what his situation is. But Jack Jones seeming we played

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<v Speaker 3>pretty well, a guy who'd been with the Patriots and

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<v Speaker 3>the Raiders.

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<v Speaker 2>He's looking to find some footing. And if he's like

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<v Speaker 2>the veteran.

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<v Speaker 3>Backup or he's your third guy or can spell Ronaldo Green,

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<v Speaker 3>if he's not able to go, that's a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching for to try to make make some noise

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<v Speaker 3>or really be noticeable. He had a couple of nice plays,

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<v Speaker 3>had a deflection and batter pass away in the end

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<v Speaker 3>zone yesterday against the Chargers. It was a Trey Lance

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<v Speaker 3>pass on a fade into the corner and he batted

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<v Speaker 3>it away. So at Quarner, I guess that's a position

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<v Speaker 3>that I feel. You know, I don't want Green to

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<v Speaker 3>go down, but I feel a little bit better with

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<v Speaker 3>how Jack Jones played, and I've got some high hopes

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<v Speaker 3>for him. But other than that, it's a you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>show me, man. I mean again, twenty games or twenty

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<v Speaker 3>sacks last year in seventeen games, an all time franchise

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<v Speaker 3>loan for a team that's been around since the forties

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<v Speaker 3>and JD they used to play fourteen games a year

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<v Speaker 3>and they had more sacks than that, So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they've got a lot to prove. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna know or see any of that until we'd won,

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<v Speaker 3>and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I would agree with that in a major way. Copse,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you, man, thanks for taking some time out.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be together before and after the preseason game number

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<v Speaker 1>three forty nine Ers and the Raiders from Vegas. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course you can catch dirty work every day from

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<v Speaker 1>two until six right here on the Sports Leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, brother, haveing your week done. JD taught you

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<v Speaker 2>sim bro all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, sounds good. That's Adam Copeland. Appreciate him for joining me.

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