WEBVTT - Marcus Thompson on Steph Curry's future with the Warriors 

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we do it every week with the one

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<v Speaker 2>and only Marcus Thompson with the Athletic.

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<v Speaker 3>Marcus.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on man?

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<v Speaker 3>How's the backyard with Tom? Oh? It was a great time, man,

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<v Speaker 3>it was. We were there for a while long.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, four hours?

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<v Speaker 3>Four hours? Yeah, I think I did a solid four.

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<v Speaker 3>What beer did you offer you? Ginger beer, my beer

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<v Speaker 3>of choice? You're okay? All right, all right, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to talk to you about Don Nelson.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrote a great article in The Athletic, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard stories from my pops, Tom and Gary Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Gene about how great Don Nelson was. It's also great

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<v Speaker 2>to read your article. And you know, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how Stephen Jackson loved him and smoke we with him

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<v Speaker 2>and Willie Nelson. So just what was it about his

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<v Speaker 2>personality in your opinion, that made him relate to everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>I think Nelly just understood people because he had decided

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<v Speaker 3>long ago to just be himself. And you know that

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<v Speaker 3>was sometimes mercurial, right, he rubbed some people the wrong way,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think he just understood like some people think

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<v Speaker 3>of him in a way, and he still knows he

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<v Speaker 3>gets the job done. So like he just had a

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<v Speaker 3>unique ability to see pass whatever the perception was, and

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<v Speaker 3>to find and even if it was true, he could

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<v Speaker 3>just find the gym. And that's why so many people

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<v Speaker 3>just really ride for him because if you doubt yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have questions, if he listened to narrative, Nelly

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<v Speaker 3>will be like, yeah, I hear what they say, but

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<v Speaker 3>watch what I do with you. And he was that way, right.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a guy who, you know, in many ways

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<v Speaker 3>people thought was a gimmicky coach and didn't have what

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<v Speaker 3>it takes to win. And he's like, yeah, see me

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<v Speaker 3>in the playoff series though, I'll show you something. And

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<v Speaker 3>that was kind of his thing, Like he knew he

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<v Speaker 3>was smart, that he knew how to find the best

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<v Speaker 3>in people. And because of that people, the people who

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<v Speaker 3>love him, they really love him.

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<v Speaker 4>Marcus, what what do you remember about just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>growing up and run TMC and and and being a

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<v Speaker 4>young man and enjoying that style of basketball and then

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<v Speaker 4>becoming somebody that covered the We Believe team and actually

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<v Speaker 4>got to you know, talk to Nelly daily and go

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<v Speaker 4>to practice and hear the way the players spoke of him.

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<v Speaker 4>Just take me through sort of that transition of kind

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<v Speaker 4>of being a fan and appreciating Nelly for you know,

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<v Speaker 4>creating this brand of basketball that that was great and

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<v Speaker 4>fun and everybody wanted to watch or play, and then

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<v Speaker 4>actually getting to cover him as as somebody that was

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<v Speaker 4>you know, young and up and coming in the business.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, growing up, I didn't I don't think I

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<v Speaker 3>under stood it well enough, right, I just knew it

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<v Speaker 3>was exciting. I knew Chris Mother was great. Tim Hardaway

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<v Speaker 3>had to crossover, you know. Mitch Richmond I was a

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<v Speaker 3>big we're big fans of Shrew and this Marcell owners

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<v Speaker 3>in our neighborhoods, and he was so tough, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and you just you don't really understand the philosophy behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>We just knew that like the Big Bad Lakers, or

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<v Speaker 3>remember they beat the Sun Antonio Spurs in the series,

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<v Speaker 3>Like these were the teams that we didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>shot at, and somehow we had a shot at him,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt like that I didn't understand why that

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<v Speaker 3>was until you cover him and you start to hear

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<v Speaker 3>his philosophies and his viewpoints and how how he saw

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<v Speaker 3>the game, And now that stuff starts making sense in hindsight.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I couldn't stand I was hot when they

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<v Speaker 3>traded Mitch Richmond for Billy Ones. That was crushing, But

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<v Speaker 3>you understand, like how he thinks about the game. So

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<v Speaker 3>later on, when it's like, hey, Steven Jackson Al Herringson's

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<v Speaker 3>you're my four, my five, right, You're like, Okay, it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds crazy, it sounds ridiculous, but I get why he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing it. So covering Delly, getting to ask him why

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing something, and his willingness to explain it to.

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<v Speaker 5>A little scrub from the construction times like me, I

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<v Speaker 5>learned it and then I got I gained a greater

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<v Speaker 5>appreciation for what they actually encountered because it really, it

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<v Speaker 5>really was all a byproduct of having, you know, not

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<v Speaker 5>not as much as the other team, but figuring out

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<v Speaker 5>a way to still be a threat, and that that

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<v Speaker 5>was pretty big.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that once I got to understand what.

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<v Speaker 2>It was talking to Marcus Thompson on the UMA guest Line. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been talking about Mike de Levy's comment the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was kind of odd. Jad doesn't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's that big of a deal. Why do you think

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<v Speaker 2>Mike done Leevy wanted to let us know that if

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<v Speaker 2>Steph were to ask for a trade, he and Joe

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<v Speaker 2>with Grant.

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<v Speaker 3>One because he wants everybody to know that he's loyal

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<v Speaker 3>success and a lot of people are thinking they're ruining

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<v Speaker 3>the end of Seth's career, and he's making it clear, like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>Steph is in it with us. If Steph wanted to go,

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<v Speaker 3>I would let him go, That's what he's saying, Like

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<v Speaker 3>Steph is who they view Steth the way the fans

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<v Speaker 3>view steps I think that was his point was I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably wouldn't have went there if I was him,

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<v Speaker 3>Like why would you even bring it up in this

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<v Speaker 3>age of like aggregation, But that was his point, like

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<v Speaker 3>we you guys, you guys think we're ruining it for Steth,

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<v Speaker 3>but really we have this value for him that is

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<v Speaker 3>surpassing what you think. So we respect him so much

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<v Speaker 3>that if he wanted to be traded, we were just

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<v Speaker 3>that we would just do it just because that's what

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<v Speaker 3>he wants and he deserves right now, I wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 3>it anyway, Like, God, all.

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<v Speaker 6>You want, Steph, but you know, I'm sorry, I want

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<v Speaker 6>I want to do who's such a big draw that

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<v Speaker 6>this is widely regarded as not even a playoff team,

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<v Speaker 6>But somehow he's got twenty eight you know, national TV games, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm keeping that guy around. But but that was the sentiment,

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<v Speaker 3>like they are they value step That's what he's trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get across, and they aren't trying to hurt him.

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<v Speaker 3>And if he ever felt that way, you know they would,

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<v Speaker 3>they would, they would grant his wishes. That to me,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a backdoor way of saying everything we're doing Steph

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<v Speaker 3>is aware of, and he understands, and we're talking to him,

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<v Speaker 3>and he hasn't demanded a trade the BD we will

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<v Speaker 3>honor it. So what did that feel you? I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's what Mike Denley was trying to say, Marcus.

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<v Speaker 4>Are the Warriors delusional in thinking that they can run

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<v Speaker 4>back this this same team? And and once you like,

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't it be freeing that you're acknowledging the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>you can't win a title in terms of trying to

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<v Speaker 4>go out and do something a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're a delusional. I think they're probably

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<v Speaker 3>more realistic than their fan base. I mean, look, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're just looking at it from their perspectives, are you

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<v Speaker 3>really about to start over? Like what would you rather

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<v Speaker 3>h you know, just to be the Sacramento Kings or

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<v Speaker 3>to be the Warriors with Steph Curry fighting for relevance?

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<v Speaker 3>Like in the end, twenty twenty five was two years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>right like that, it literally just happened, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>people were like they didn't have a chance at a title,

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<v Speaker 3>But making the second round of the playoffs it's profitable, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's way more profitable than not making a playoff. As

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<v Speaker 3>long as you've got step there's still a draw. You

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<v Speaker 3>got Raymond, Like, I think they've settled it into reality.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they have options, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 4>But couldn't you make the case Marcus that looking at again,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe there isn't the big move that makes you a

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<v Speaker 4>title contender, But this as it's currently constituted is not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be two years ago. Like they're they're not, like,

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<v Speaker 4>and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know that they I don't know that they've made

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<v Speaker 3>that conclusion though, like and I don't know that you

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<v Speaker 3>can either, Like we're looking at this. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 3>just just say, by some stroke of magic, they're healthy

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<v Speaker 3>in May or in April, they're somehow Staffs Drakemond, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 3>Butler and all of them are healthy in April. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they gould to play a game that's that's invaluable.

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<v Speaker 4>They can if they're thirty three and forty nine, because.

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<v Speaker 3>That's by the point, that's but that's my point. So

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<v Speaker 3>what's the option is to be thirty three and nine

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<v Speaker 3>without that? Without sets? Well, who are you going to

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<v Speaker 3>go get it to make you forty and forty?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's where that that's where I do think. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that's where I do think there are a ton of

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<v Speaker 4>options available that that they could have explored at the

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<v Speaker 4>expense of running the you know, Porzingis and Horford and

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<v Speaker 4>Melton and look, I'll be accountable to it. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>bring those guys back. But how do you bring those

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<v Speaker 4>guys back and not go get a combo guard who

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<v Speaker 4>can be a lead scorer when Steph's out?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I think for the very reason I think the

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<v Speaker 3>very reason that you think they're thirty with three wins teams,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the very reason they can't do that, Because if

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<v Speaker 3>they're a thirty three wins team, what makes you think

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<v Speaker 3>these guys are valuable? Like? Who are you training to

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<v Speaker 3>go get that player? You see what I'm saying, Like

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<v Speaker 3>if there's like if I would say the other way, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this this is a this is a team that could

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<v Speaker 3>be dangerous of healthy. Yeah, they should probably be able

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<v Speaker 3>to go swap one d player. But if you're saying

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<v Speaker 3>this team is trash, what do you need the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the league things? You're going to fans, So who

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<v Speaker 3>is the player that they're like, yeah, we'll take that player.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, remember their big Fishalis Kamina was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>de traite commedia, Well we see what the league think

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<v Speaker 3>about Kamina. That's what I've said. I think there are

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<v Speaker 3>the options. I think they ran out of bullets in

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<v Speaker 3>the good right Like now, to me, I think they're

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they're thirty three win teams. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're one injury away from being a thirty three win team.

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<v Speaker 3>But to me, it's the Isaiah Jones of the world, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Aaron Wiggins. It's the players who moved and

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<v Speaker 3>they aren't big splashes that Kobe's got a way you

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<v Speaker 3>can get that. Kobe went on Kobe White badragging for

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<v Speaker 3>a minute. Yeah exactly. So I think it's those type

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<v Speaker 3>of players where they probably should have said, ay, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah man, maybe we give up a pick, the first

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<v Speaker 3>round pick instead of whole known to it. But at

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<v Speaker 3>this point right now, with with Jimmy and My and

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<v Speaker 3>Moses Moudy out like, who you taking really like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I think they're I think they're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>screwed a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's where I'm with you in terms of the

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<v Speaker 4>Isaiah Joe's and the Aaron Wiggins and the Kobe Whites.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not saying it's easy to acquire those guys either, Marcus.

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<v Speaker 4>But but I think, and this is where I'll use

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<v Speaker 4>the word delusional, I think they are a little delusional

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<v Speaker 4>when Mike Dunlevy is saying, hey, I'm we're betting on

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<v Speaker 4>health of guys that have proven that they aren't gonna

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<v Speaker 4>stay healthy. And on top of that, Steph's gonna probably

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<v Speaker 4>miss some time. So it's making the second half meaningful.

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<v Speaker 4>Is gonna be contingent on Steph playing thirty five out

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<v Speaker 4>of the first forty games and being awesome just to be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, twenty two and eighteen at that point, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just think it's unrealistic to expect that they're not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be seventeen and twenty three, you know, unless Yaxel's

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<v Speaker 4>just borderline All Star or Pajemski turns into you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a two level better player than he is right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think Pajemski's a bad player at that

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's a solid player. So I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's kind of where I'm at on it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>obviously it's a fun conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't, Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're off.

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<v Speaker 3>I just say that if you take their reality and

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<v Speaker 3>the one you create, and let's just say they get

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<v Speaker 3>you about the same place, which one you take in

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<v Speaker 3>this un this this unknown road that don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll probably go get these players. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna work, or you say, well, I just I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I'll just have more faith than Raymond of them

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<v Speaker 3>like that. That's the easy answer. That's what's been for

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<v Speaker 3>the last.

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<v Speaker 4>Four years, and I guess that's where I'm more inclined

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<v Speaker 4>to maybe maybe take a little bit of a risk

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm convinced that the way that they're doing it

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<v Speaker 4>probably isn't isn't gonna work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just saying I think they they're looking at

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<v Speaker 3>it like, man, if we can just get healthy, because

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<v Speaker 3>when it when it happens. But also we we tend

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<v Speaker 3>to look at it like they don't have a shot

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<v Speaker 3>to win a championships, to do something different, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like that. I don't think that. I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 3>the case. I think they're thinking, hey, if you make

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<v Speaker 3>the second round of the playoffs and put a scare

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<v Speaker 3>into somebody and maybe make the West Finals, that was

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<v Speaker 3>a good year. I think Steph is thinking, man, just

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<v Speaker 3>get me a shot, like, get me a shot at

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma City, get me a shot at saying so they

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<v Speaker 3>still feel like they can they can do some damage, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So perhaps that's the delusion, But I'm saying it's also

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit delusional to think they're about to cash

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<v Speaker 3>in niche ships and go get a team that's better

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<v Speaker 3>than what they have. That's that ain't gonna happen either, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's fair.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will say, if they can get to the

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<v Speaker 4>second round, that would be an awesome season. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not sitting here saying everything I'm saying Marcus and then saying,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's got to be a championship. I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 4>fully understanding the championship's off the table, no question.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I just think, yeah, it's a wild bet.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably not a conventional bet. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>the other bed is better. Like, I mean, you get

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<v Speaker 3>down to it. Just do you give four picks for

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<v Speaker 3>Jayalen Brown? Like, I mean, that's really what the clutch.

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<v Speaker 3>It is what we're talking about. Do you get do

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<v Speaker 3>you do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>If they do it, you know that's the move, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. You make it. Now you got to live

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<v Speaker 3>with it. That's what it was with Jimmy. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>remember it was like Jimmy. I don't know about Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It was nicey. They gave Jimmy fifty

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<v Speaker 3>eight million dollars extra right and gave up a first

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<v Speaker 3>round pick, so it was like, all right, this is

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<v Speaker 3>the move. So I mean, at some point they just

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<v Speaker 3>don't have the Arsenal. I don't even know what they

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<v Speaker 3>have anymore. They like the Kaminga, George Blue, all those

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<v Speaker 3>other players, they didn't flip them into something. So now

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<v Speaker 3>they're just running out of options, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>who the player is they gets them to April, like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, maybe maybe Steph can play seventy games

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<v Speaker 3>and still have some juice left at the end. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they make it till December, Jimmy comes back, and now

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<v Speaker 3>Steph carest and Jimmy carry. I don't know. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that's the part where it's like I just I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of don't see it. It feels like Lebron didn't

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<v Speaker 3>see it either. But if you're there and you're thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>if we get to April with with with with health,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think they feel like, all right, we

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<v Speaker 3>can do this now. We saw it didn't happen last year,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were without Jimmy Butler, you know, in Moses Moodie.

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<v Speaker 3>So they beat If they beat Phoenix, they're in the

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<v Speaker 3>playoffs and then they probably get you know, boat race

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<v Speaker 3>for Oklahoma City. That's what it would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>I was hope we could do the Marcus and JD

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth for the next four hours, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>running that time here. Marcus will go through the schedule

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<v Speaker 2>game by game next week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. I thought it was a good question and

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<v Speaker 3>worthy of conversation. No no, no, no no no no,

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<v Speaker 3>no no no, it was good.

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<v Speaker 4>It was going to get scolded for going back and forth.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark, Well, I loved it. I loved it. Time before

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<v Speaker 3>pregame here, Marcus.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk you next week, man, yes, sir, alright later, man,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, we'll wrap things up here at fifty eighth

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<v Speaker 2>Social John Dickets and Derek Papa the Sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Later