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Speaker 1: Dirty working On Monday, Adam Copeland.

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Speaker 2: Pop Tim Web had a pleasure to be joined by

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Speaker 2: our next guest our forty nine ers insider from NBC

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Speaker 2: Sports Berry and Matt Mayoko joins us on the Yuma

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Speaker 1: Great to say talk to you and see Matt. How

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Speaker 1: you doing man? What's up?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing well?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: When we talked to you last Monday, I think that

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Speaker 2: was the start of free agency last Yes, we just

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Speaker 2: started out free agency.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was the that was the opening day of

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Speaker 3: the of the negotiating.

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Speaker 1: Period, negotiating period period.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when we I think when we talked,

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Speaker 3: you know, ninety minutes in the fen airs had already

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Speaker 3: locked up Mike Evans. But then everything else happened after that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean they've done a lot of work

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Speaker 3: in a week, and I guess kind of booked nd it,

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Speaker 3: you know, last Monday, Mike Evans, This Monday, Christian Kirk. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, they have their outside receiver, they have their

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Speaker 3: slot receiver. First time I think they'd really have a

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Speaker 3: slot receiver, like a true slot guy in a long

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Speaker 3: long time. So it's kind of an interesting situation of

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Speaker 3: what they wanted to, you know, put together for Brock Purty,

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Speaker 3: maybe for the offensive line. You know guys when they

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Speaker 3: see the blitz coming, or you know, just by by

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Speaker 3: design there might be an unblocked pass rusher. I think

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Speaker 3: they have more options now for Brock to just play

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Speaker 3: pitch and catch and get the ball off quickly.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you about that sort of

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Speaker 2: exactly is that we joked last Monday when we first

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Speaker 2: had Johnny said, Well, they said they wanted to get

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Speaker 2: younger and faster, and sending Mike Evans is a funny

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Speaker 2: way to do that. Christian Kirk kind of falls into

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Speaker 2: that same same boat. Now, what Derek was saying is

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Speaker 2: he and I'm not totally opposed to this, He asked, do.

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Speaker 1: You think this sort of means Ricky's almost the three? Like?

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Speaker 1: Is is Christian Kirky obvious number two?

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Speaker 3: Now? No, I think I think Ricky Pearsol's You think

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Speaker 3: Kirk is the three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think they.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Christian Kirk can play really outside.

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Speaker 3: I think Pearsol kind of has that versatility. Like the

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Speaker 3: way I would see it, all things being well, would

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Speaker 3: be Mike Evans lineup at the X, the boundary receiver

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Speaker 3: on the line of scrimmage, Ricky Piarsaw at the flanker position,

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Speaker 3: and then Kirk coming in on nickel situations or passing

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Speaker 3: downs and play the slot it and almost be exclusively

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Speaker 3: the slot. I think. I think almost every one of

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Speaker 3: his receptions, if not all of his receptions last year,

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Speaker 3: came when he was lined up in the slot. So

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Speaker 3: it does give the forty nine ers. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: think you'll see those guys moving around as much. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Pierce sal can still play the slot on occasion, but

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Speaker 3: I think it gives these guys pretty defined roles, and

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Speaker 3: I think that once they had that kind of defined role,

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Speaker 3: maybe it kind of limits a little bit what the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a more as far as like a

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Speaker 4: number two option where I think he's more one of

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Speaker 4: the one of the more reliable receivers on the team now, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and you just don't know Ricky Piercell's health. But as

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Speaker 4: far as the wide receiver room, now you have all

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Speaker 4: those guys we just mentioned, not to mention Jacob Cowing

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Speaker 4: and Jordan Watkins and DeMarcus Robinson. With that wide receiver

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Speaker 4: room right now, Matt, do you think they would address

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Speaker 4: the wide receiver position in the early rounds of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, all things being equal, it's not

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Speaker 3: that need at number twenty seven. You know, it's not

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Speaker 3: I'd say no, that they can wait until the third

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Speaker 3: That might be maybe the more likely scenario. I know

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Speaker 3: that when last year started, as far as the off

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Speaker 3: of yourself that Jeordan Watkins had a chance to get

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Speaker 3: might be with that system, the complexity of it, what

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Speaker 3: definitely see them doing something similar where they get a

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Speaker 3: fifty three man, but he probably doesn't suit up because

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Speaker 3: right now, I mean, I want to put it up

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Speaker 3: there with the best wide receiving corps in the league.

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Speaker 3: But you know, your your top three guys of Evans,

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Speaker 3: Pearsall and Kirk are just fine. And then you know

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Speaker 3: you look at like I said, DeMarcus Robinson is the

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Speaker 3: You know, there's there's plenty there to work with. But

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Speaker 3: I think it's always good business because of how that

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Speaker 3: wide receiver market has exploded to always be addressing that

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Speaker 3: year because there is attrition. You know, none of those

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Speaker 3: all going to play seventeen games, so you're gonna need

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Speaker 3: the depth and you need to always be grooming guys

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Speaker 2: I'm out May Okay nice enough to join us on

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Speaker 2: the UMA guesst line as he does every Monday talking

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Speaker 2: to forty Nutter football, sticking on the offensive side of things.

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Speaker 2: When we spoke to you Monday about Trent Williams. I'd

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Speaker 2: sort of felt like your tone and I was trending

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Speaker 2: this way too, that it seemed like things were different

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Speaker 2: this time around, just based on how it was being

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Speaker 2: reported that negotiations between them were not where they needed

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Speaker 2: to be for him to feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: About coming back.

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Speaker 2: Since then, I guess they've they've gotten back together about negotiating,

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Speaker 2: and I'm of the mindset that no news is good news.

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Speaker 2: How are you interpreting what's going on in the last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would probably I would say the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly sounds like from Trent Williams side

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Speaker 3: his representation, if there's little snags there, they're gonna want

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Speaker 3: to put that out there, like you know, there's been

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Speaker 3: should be settled this week. You know, deadlines spur action,

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Speaker 3: and it just seems like with the forty nine ers

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Speaker 3: under contract, whatever the case may be. Whenever there's a deadline,

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Speaker 3: then something gets done right up against that deadline, and

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Speaker 3: the deadline for this situation would be the ten million

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Speaker 3: I would think that something will happen at some point

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Speaker 3: where that stands with Trent Williams and the forty niners

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Speaker 1: Real quick man.

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Speaker 4: I saw over the weekend that the Philadelphia Eagles and

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Speaker 4: kicking that deadline down the road. Is there any chance

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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers could do that, which Trent Williams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, there is so so yeah that maybe that's

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Speaker 3: wishful thinking on my point on my part to say that, hey,

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Speaker 3: conclusion and a resolution of this. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: it is possible. But also from you know, Trent's standpoint,

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Speaker 3: the case may be. And you know, with Trent Williams

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Speaker 3: career kind of just you know, no nonsense and let's

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Speaker 3: twisting in the wind, they could clearly and obviously say,

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Speaker 3: you know what, now we're this, We're fine. Where this is?

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Speaker 3: You hos ten million dollars on Friday and either going

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Speaker 3: And then I can go and get a bigger contract

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Speaker 3: it working both ways, but I think the the inclination

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Speaker 2: Matt, do you know, did it ever get to a

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Speaker 2: allowed to shop around?

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Speaker 1: Where did his aig?

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Speaker 2: Did they not just get to a point where they said,

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Speaker 1: Did did we get to that point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my understanding that yes, they said, hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: But also remember that any team that is willing to

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Speaker 3: So it kind of swings both ways. The more the

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Speaker 3: the forty nine ers to be able to use the

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Speaker 4: Talking about Mayoko on the Uma guest line. So over

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Speaker 4: the weekend the forty nine ers converted twenty one million

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Speaker 4: We saw that a year ago, and ultimately he's signed

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Speaker 4: with the Buffalo Bills for twelve million.

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Speaker 1: But do you think that's on the table this year

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Speaker 3: I would think so. And you look at if you've

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Speaker 3: seen how the forty nine ers structured that deal with

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Speaker 3: how they can make this work. And it really is

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Speaker 3: interesting to see how the forty nine ers have used

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Speaker 4: Regardless, Matt, we knew for quite some time that Brandon

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I mean, I thought that when you looked

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Speaker 2: Matt Meyoko joins us every Monday, our forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: Matt, I always appreciate the time, man, enjoy enjoy the sunshine. Matt.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Okay, thanks guys, appreciate it