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Speaker 2: We're on a Tuesday afternoon at I'm copling depopp Tim

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Speaker 2: with you. Joining us now on the Uma guess line

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Speaker 2: ahead of the WBC final tonight USA against Venezuela. It's

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Speaker 2: our guy, Chris Rose, John Boy Media, the NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: He joins us on the Yuma gas Lide's up.

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Speaker 3: Chris, how you doing?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Doing great? Guys? How were you?

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Speaker 2: We're doing well to have you back on. So we

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Speaker 2: I mean we've been pouring over this thing for the

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Speaker 2: last hour. So how have you taken in the WBC?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's twenty years old now. I watched the

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Speaker 2: first ever like like warm up scrimmage game they did

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, and it's pretty cool that

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Speaker 2: it's grown to this level. We've got some things I

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Speaker 3: It's been great. I mean it's been great.

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Speaker 4: I think it's we'll see how much it helps grow

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Speaker 4: the sport, right And I think at a place like Italy,

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Speaker 4: you're not going to know for fifteen or twenty years.

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Speaker 4: The impact that the run that Vinnie pass Quentino and

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Speaker 4: And really that's the idea of growing the game. It's

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Speaker 4: not how do you give your core audience something to

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Speaker 4: hang their hat on and in mid March, it's how

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Speaker 4: do we get people who are fringe baseball fans or

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Speaker 4: haven't been interested at all to tell their parents, Hey,

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Speaker 4: I want to start doing this thing. Let's find a

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Speaker 4: league that's, you know, not seventeen hours away from us.

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Speaker 4: So I think from that standpoint, it's done a great job.

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Speaker 3: Is it perfect? Of course not.

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Speaker 4: I just saw that Lopez, the manager for Venezuela, got

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Speaker 4: three texts from teams earlier today saying stay away from

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Speaker 4: these pitchers that you threw yesterday. So it's not ideal, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're trying to win a game, and we

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Speaker 4: see how important it is, certainly outside of this country,

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Speaker 4: and I think that it is. It's important for the

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Speaker 4: USA to win tonight, but particularly in a place like

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Speaker 4: to get guys ready for the season's that's a tough sell.

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Speaker 4: So would I love to see it move to July

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Speaker 4: every three years?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: So, Chris, how should American baseball fansview tonight? Like we

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Speaker 1: were discussing it, You know, we're all excited about Logan

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Speaker 1: level as his postseason starts against the Dodgers, and I

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Speaker 1: you see Julio Rodriguez saying winning for the dr would

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Speaker 1: you view the signifigance of the WBC.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can only tell you how I feel. But

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Speaker 4: first of all, I'm not gonna tell anybody how to

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Speaker 4: feel about it. I mean, it's it's how you figure

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Speaker 4: think he's the one that's screwed up with this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: And I know it's a little bit of a tangent here,

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Speaker 4: but let me speak my piece with it. If the

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Speaker 4: with schemes out there, but if you can't commit, that's

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Speaker 3: We get it.

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Speaker 4: You're in a contract year, You've got possibly four un

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 4: So from that standpoint, I think it's hard for fans

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Speaker 4: So I don't want it to take away from this

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Speaker 4: We were each assigned a team to follow in addition

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Speaker 4: it was Team Canada. I watched every fricking Team Canada.

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Speaker 4: I watched him against Columbia, I watched him against Panama.

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Speaker 4: I sat through multiple rain delays in Puerto Rico just

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Speaker 3: But it was awesome. I loved every bit of it.

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Speaker 2: Talking and Chris Rose nice enough to join us here

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Speaker 2: on the Umer desk line. I mean, there has been

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Speaker 2: if the WBC was the final matchup the last time

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Speaker 2: That would have been cool. What else would you like

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Speaker 4: Well, like I said, I think the timing is the

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Speaker 4: biggest issues. I'm with you, Yeah, yeah, I just don't.

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Speaker 4: First of all, some people have suggested, well, why can't players,

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Speaker 4: really would like to see them pair this. I thought

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's exactly it, because I actually

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Speaker 4: So that's the number one thing that we've got to

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Speaker 1: Talking to Chris Rose on the UMA guest line, I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to Julio Rodriguez's comments because I

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Speaker 1: I totally understand that he has probably in his country

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Speaker 4: If I were a Marit's dand I wouldn't be upset

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Speaker 3: Yep? I do too. Do you love your family more?

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Speaker 2: We're excited that we won, and that was the way

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Speaker 2: for teams from other countries, I think a win would

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Speaker 2: pointed out what Italian baseball could mean twenty thirty years

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Speaker 2: Who knows the ramifications of that. But you talk about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's why when you know a third of

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Speaker 4: But Raphael Devers's he's a guy that can spray it

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Speaker 3: Or this folks.

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Speaker 4: this guy's going to last about three months, like, let's

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Speaker 4: just slow our role a little bit. You know, have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's called being a human being.

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Speaker 4: And he had wonderful, you know, relationships with the people

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Speaker 4: that's the only thing, not that you can't have feelings

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Speaker 2: Eldridge just look pretty good. They've got some guys out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's I think almost any team would be

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Speaker 2: Yepner's an offseason contract negotiation, seem to Chris Rose the

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Speaker 2: voice you hear NFL Network, John Boy Media, Chris always

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Speaker 2: appreciate the time. Man, thanks for joining us on the

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon. Thanks Chris appreciate it, guys,