1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the XT Earning postgame show with Bill Laski. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: My guests played twenty one seasons league baseball, nineteen of 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: those he was an American League All Star. He was 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: a World Series champion with the Baltimore Orioles in nineteen 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: eighty three, a two time American League MVP, a two 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: time goal Glove winner, eight times Silver Slugger, an American 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: League Rookie of the Year. In nineteen eighty two, the 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Baltimore Orioles inducted him into their Hall of Fame and 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: his number eight was retired. In two thousand and seven, 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: he was inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: Let's welcome in, Cal Ripken Junior. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to be with you listening to you know, 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: all those accomplishments. Sometimes it seems like it's a million 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 2: years ago, but sometimes it seems like it was yesterday. 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: Really cool to hear, though. 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 3: Well, Cal, I want to go back in time. 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: You know, as we grew up, you know, you were 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: very influential with a father, Cal Ripkan Senior, who played 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: some minor league baseball, but he also was managing in 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: a minor leagues. When you grew up, and I want 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: to ask you, there's so many kids that have come 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: up in Major League baseball that got to go in 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: clubhouses and meet players, and you were one of them. 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: How influential was that to you? It was a wonderful experience. 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean, dad was the manager for the first fourteen 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: years of my life in the miners, and he went 27 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: to many different parts of the country and we followed 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: him there for the summertimes. And you know, how often 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: does an eight year old kid get to go to 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: work with their dad and hang out at the ballpark 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: all day. But you know the real value of that 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: is that I was really familiar with professional baseball over 33 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: the minor leagues. So when I got drafted. You know, 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: some players had trouble going away from home for the 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: first time, but I mean, to me, I was going 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: into an environment that was pretty comfortable. I struggled, you know, 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: early on just learning the game because the game was 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: too fast for me. But I think the advantage I 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: had was I didn't have to go through any real 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: adjustment of being away in an unfamiliar environment. 41 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: It all felt natural and cal One of the things 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: you just said being around your dad, being around a 43 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: game of baseball. You got to know the game a 44 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: little bit more than most kids, and you got to 45 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: ask questions. Your dad said, is my son cal asked 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: me better questions than most reporters. What was it about 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: the game that intrigued you so much? What was it 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: about that knowledge you had to grafts? 49 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 2: You know, it's really funny. I mean, that makes me laugh, 50 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: is that. You know, I was a kid that asked 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: questions and why, and you know, pastered my dad a lot. 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: But when I think about those days, Dad didn't teach 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: me directly about baseball unless he answered the questions. He 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: was teaching all the other guys on his team, because 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: at those days he was a hitting coach, the infield coach, 56 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: the pitching coach, the catching coach, the base running coach. 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: He was everything. And so when he would teach the 58 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: minor league guys, you know, when they made a mistake, 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: I was there to witness that. And so I learned, 60 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: you know, through his teachings of other people. And so 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: I always thought Dad was the encyclopedia baseball, and I 62 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: had him to ask questions to. But all the other 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: players were like these little books books. I could go 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: to them and say, how do you, Doug de sense, 65 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: how do you feel the ground ball? And he would 66 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: tell me, and I go back and test it against 67 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: my dad. I said, I talked to Doug descents every 68 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: day and he said I should catch a groundball this way, 69 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: and he said, yes, that's correct. And then I would 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: put Doug on my list to pester him. And if 71 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: an outfitter would say you should catch the ball like 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: a basket catcher off to the side or one hand 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: or something, I would tell my dad about that and 74 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: he would say, no, that's not the right thing to 75 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: do it. I would x that book off my list. 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: Fantastic advice. 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: And he's telling you the pluses and minuses about some 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: of the players that he coached. 79 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: So that was fun times. But you said, you go to. 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: High school and you end up playing some soccer, which 81 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: is a total different sport, and you ended up playing baseball, 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: played second base, and you pitched a little bit. Now 83 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: I pitched it in a big leagues a little bit. 84 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: How was that for you? Getting on the mountain throwing 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: back then? 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: Oh, it was a lot of fun. So when I 87 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: think about it, Uh, let me see, I was I 88 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: went to Bluefield, I was seventeen. I was really young. 89 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 2: I hadn't matured yet. Really, I was six two when 90 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: I got drafted, and when everybody and I started to 91 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: get a little bit of my size of my junior year, 92 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: started throwing the ball hard and and and all the 93 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: scouts were interested in me in pitching. I think the 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: Orioles might have been the only one that was, uh, 95 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: that saw me play a little bit more and play 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: the position. And so ultimately I had a choice. I 97 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: think the farm director wanted me to pitch. Or Weaver 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 2: had saw me play and he said, I'm kind of 99 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: interested in him, you know, uh, you know, developing as 100 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: a regular player. So the general manager, Hank Peters, told me, 101 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: he said, what do you want to do? Cow, It's 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: kind of funny looking back now, I said, pitchers only 103 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: get to play one out of every five games. You know, 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 2: I want to play every day. 105 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: Well, I was good advice. I was a good soundboard 106 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 3: right there for you. 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: So they they let me. They let me do it, 108 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 2: and uh, I often wonder. You know. At first, I 109 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: was thinking, Okay, in a blowout game, maybe I'll get 110 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: a chance to go in and pitch and see what 111 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: it's like. I had developed a really good curve ball. 112 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: I threw the ball pretty hard. George Bamberger, the old 113 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: manager and the riching coach at the Ools, he taught 114 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: me a really nice change up, so I had uh. 115 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: I had some weapons. And in my high school senior year, 116 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: I think I struck out one hundred and fifty seven innings. 117 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: So again, you know, we were facing a little bit 118 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: less talented than the pros. But nonetheless, when you're pitching, 119 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: it's it's everything because you're it's you're you're in control 120 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: of the whole game. When you're at short stop, you 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: feel like you're you're a part of it. And uh 122 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: and maybe a big part of it being in the 123 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: middle of the infield. But uh, I always thought pitching 124 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: and catching had had the most interesting positions because they 125 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: were involved in every single pitch. Every decision was theirs. 126 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: Well, there's no question there. The spotlight always started the 127 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: game with the pitcher throwing the first pitch. That's what 128 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: my first high school coach always told me. He goes, 129 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: you can't start a game without the pitcher throwing it, 130 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: and you're absolutely right. The spotlight turned once that ball 131 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: was throwing. Everything happened after that cal Ripken Junior joining 132 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: me on the extra any postgame show. You get drafted 133 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: out of high school, and I loved what you said. 134 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: You know, the next couple of steps getting away from home. 135 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: It's always one of the biggest questions and concerns for 136 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: parents when their kids signs and goes off to the 137 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: minor leagues. It seemed like you were ready for it. 138 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: Tell me at a young age, how confident. 139 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: Were you, whatever confidence you brought into the camp. Then 140 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: that first time, you know, was immediately knocked away from 141 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: the ball. I remember there was a short stop the 142 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: name of Bob Bonner. Bob Bonner played at Texas A 143 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: and M was there for I think he had an 144 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: extra year, maybe because of an injury. But he came 145 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: in to our camp at twenty three years old, and 146 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: I think and I was seventeen. And Bob was really polished. 147 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he had a cannon for an arm. He 148 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: turned a double play quicker than anything I ever saw. 149 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: He took round balls, he was just fluid, and I 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: kept thinking, I'm never gonna play this guy. This guy's 151 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: too good. And so he was there for about four 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: or five days, and then they decided that you know, 153 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: he needed to go straight to double A, so they 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: sent him at to double A. I was in rookie ball, 155 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: which opened up the space for me, but it took 156 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: a little while to look around and kind of, you know, 157 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: compare yourself to the rest of the league. And in 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: my first year I didn't hit a single home run. 159 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: I went sixty some games without a home run hit. 160 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: I think he had two sixty four and started to 161 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: get it a little bit at the end, but confidence 162 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: I kept thinking, God, I don't think I'll ever make it, 163 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: and then went to instruction league and started to grow 164 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: a little bit, started to get it, and I think 165 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: my breakout year was double A and Charlotte. I had 166 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: twenty five homers, drove me in close to one hundred runs, 167 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, okay. My dad used to 168 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: say double A a lot of times. It was a 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: separator because that's when the pitchers really understood their stuff. 170 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 2: They grew through different pitches in different counts, and if 171 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: you didn't make any adjustments, then you were going to 172 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: make it. And so when I had success in double A, 173 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: I thought I was going to make it. 174 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're absolutely right. 175 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Double A was always that first step and then Triple 176 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: A was the next step, and that's where you ended 177 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: up in nineteen eighty one in Rochester, a good ballpark 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: to hit in. I pitched in that ballpark and it 179 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: was fun, but it was tough on pitchers. You had 180 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: a great year there, twenty three home runs, you hit 181 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: two eighty eight, seventy five RBIs, and one hundred and fourteen 182 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: games and you get called up to the big leagues 183 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: on August seventh, and Earl Weaver said, hey, kid, you're 184 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: up in the big leagues. 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: Now. 186 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: You can play third base, you can be a utility infielder. 187 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: How exciting was that for you when you first got 188 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: different leagues? 189 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 2: Super? I mean, uh, and one thing that I wasn't 190 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: prepared for. You know, I was comfortable in the minor 191 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 2: league setting because I've been there before, but actually walking 192 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: on the field for the first time in a big 193 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: league stadium. Uh. And my first big league appearance was 194 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: as a pinch runner and I ran out for Ken 195 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: Singleton and Ken Singles it looks at me, he says, 196 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: you're running for me, and Frank White put a pick 197 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: off play on right away and I got back, you know, safely, 198 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: and he goes just just checking kid and uh and 199 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: I scored the winning run, But going out there on 200 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: the field for the first time and look it up 201 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: and seeing the bright lights and all that kind of stuff, 202 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: that was a new experience being down there on the field, 203 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: and it took a little while to get used to. 204 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: You know, the you're on TV, the media is there. 205 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: It's a much bigger deal, and it took me a 206 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: little while to get comfortable in that environment. Uh And 207 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: I didn't get to play a whole lot when I 208 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: got called up. It was after the strike was over. 209 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: I think I had thirty nine at bats and they 210 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: were all, you know, separated. But then they traded Doug 211 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: de Sense in the offseason and made room for me 212 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: a third. I was having a really good year in 213 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 2: winter ball, and they made the decision that I'd be 214 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: a third baseman, and so then everything started off in 215 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: eighty two pretty well. So it was a spot open 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: for me. And the surprise part about that first year 217 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: was once I got my feet on the ground at third, 218 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: earl just earl weaver, it surprised everyone and moved me 219 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: to short, you know, and I thought it was going 220 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: to be a temporary move, just to change the offense 221 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: a little bit, but I always laughed, and I look 222 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: back on it. That temporary move lasted fifteen straight years, 223 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: and sure you had in fabulous fifteen years Cal Roopkins 224 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: Junior on extra and post game show with me, and 225 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: it ended up very well. 226 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty two you ended up being the American 227 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: the League Rookie of the Year and everything started there. 228 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you, being as tall as 229 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: you were, being as long as you were, was there 230 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: an adjustment playing shortstop once you moved from third base, 231 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: because most of the shortstops were smaller than you. 232 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. I mean some of them in the 233 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: history of baseball. They had nicknames like pee Lee and Scooter. 234 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: Then you see the most acrobatic shortstop in Alzie Smith. 235 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: They could do backflips and cover all kinds of grounds 236 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: for all the run. 237 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: So I was a. 238 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: Different prototype of the shortstop for sure. But uh, you know, 239 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 2: Mark Landrew was six two about one eighty and when 240 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: I got drafted, I was six two and then I 241 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: grew almost three inches, uh and put on you know, 242 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 2: roughly eight pounds or ten pounds a year. And I 243 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: played regularly at short stop of sixty four two twenty five. 244 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: And the funny part about that was when I first 245 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: went away to Bluefield, West Virginia, the game seemed to 246 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: be fast, you know, and you had to get your 247 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 2: footwork set. You had to catch it, you had to 248 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: release it. And when we had an injury at third 249 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: in my second year and they moved me to third base, 250 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: it was much easier at third base at that point 251 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: my development. And then I became a third basement all 252 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: the way up until Earl Moviby. And when I went 253 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: back to short I had the timing, the internal clock, 254 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: I could catch, I could throw accurately. Then I started 255 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: to really apply myself a shortstop. And you know the 256 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: interesting part, I said, I got this all this ground 257 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: to cover. I might not be as fast as Ozzie Smith, 258 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: but you know, maybe I'll look at the picture. I'll 259 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: see what pitches he's gonna throw, what are the hitters tendencies. 260 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: And I learned to position myself pretty well. And one 261 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: of my one of my most proud things that I 262 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 2: did defensively. I think there's only two shortstops in the 263 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: history of baseball that had nine hundred chances in a year, 264 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 2: and one of them was Ozzie Smith and the other 265 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: one was me. So you had two different type of shortstops. 266 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: But I was able to cover the ground by positioning 267 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: well and kind of understanding how I made those plays. 268 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 2: And so you always encourage you know, different infielders of 269 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: different sizes, you know, be yourself, play your position, figure 270 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: out how you make the plays, and then and then 271 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: just just go with it. 272 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: No question, cal your fundamentals were beautiful, the accuracy, the 273 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: strong arm, how you moved, and back then, studying hitters 274 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: were totally different than the way I have now with 275 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: all the analytics, and you had to learn about different 276 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: hitters as each team came at you. But you won 277 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: two gold gloves. In nineteen ninety one, you had eleven airs. 278 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two you had twelve errors. But I 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: went back to find out what the hell happened in 280 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety when you all had three errors and you. 281 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: Had a nineteen ninety six fealing. 282 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: Average, And I looked it up and Mark McGuire ended 283 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: up winning the gold Glove and he ended up having 284 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: five airs, And I'm like, it didn't make sense to me. 285 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: What happened? Do you understand why you didn't get it 286 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: that year. 287 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of interesting every once in a while. Now, 288 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: you know, we're awlings to ask me to go up 289 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: to New York and present the go Glove Award presented. 290 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 2: I think it's short, and I presented third before and 291 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: now they when they go back and do the analytics 292 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: and apply it to your numbers. Years ago, the guys 293 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 2: up there were saying, you know, you probably should have 294 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 2: won a few more Gold Gloves than you did. And 295 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: I kept thinking, in the year I had nine Houdred chances, 296 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 2: I think Alan Trammell won it, and I did have 297 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: like twenty four errors, but I mean in nine hundred 298 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: and I thought I had a really great year that year, 299 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: and I thought I was deserving. And the one year 300 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: I had three errors and I went almost one hundred 301 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: games without an error, you know, that was a special 302 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: special year too, and I think they awarded Ozzie Gian 303 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: with that. Sometimes you look back because the managers and 304 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: the coaches at that time were the ones that voted 305 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, you know, and I think many times 306 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: maybe they didn't look at the numbers and they just 307 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: looked off the top of their head, and maybe by 308 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: reputation and said, oh yeah, that guy should get the 309 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: gold Glove, and then they filled it out that way. 310 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: But I think now there is a part of it 311 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: that is statistical, and I think there is some subjective 312 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: and I think there is some managers and coaches that 313 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: put the award on. But looking back, you're right, that 314 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: three air season was uh. And I think when I 315 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: look at those three errors, I'm thinking, you know, if 316 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: the official scorer was a little lenient, I might not 317 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: add any we had. 318 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 319 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: We had George Brett hit one off the end of 320 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: the bat spinning really crazy in Kansas City, you know, 321 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: and I'm sure stuff. The only chance I had was 322 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: to kind of take a steep angle swipe at it, 323 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: you know, with with my gloves and the third baseman 324 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: couldn't cut it off and I swiped at it and 325 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: it spun out of my glove and I probably I 326 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: might not be able to get him out anyway. But 327 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: they in Kansas City, with George Brett, you know, you know, 328 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 2: they could have ruled out of it, sure. And then 329 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: I had a I had another one with Cecil Fielder. 330 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: He had a jam job, a little pop up over 331 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: that pitcher's head. And I come in to field it 332 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: and Detroit's infield wasn't too good and it bounced up 333 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: and hit me in the chest and uh. And I 334 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: recovered through the wall a little late to first base 335 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: and it was a bang bang play might have got 336 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: him out with the umpire called him safe and they 337 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: that is straight error. So I almost had a perfect theason. 338 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: That was you know, when I was looking up the numbers, cow, 339 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: I was just like looking a year after year, and 340 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: I stopped right there. 341 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety and I just couldn't believe it. 342 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Then I looked and saw Mark McGuire winning the Gold Glove, 343 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, first baseman, and how 344 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: many opportunities you had compared to him. That's why I 345 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: had to ask that question, because it just didn't make 346 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: sense to me on that And like you said, there 347 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: was other years you should have won a Gold Glove. 348 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: I thought I was deserving in those years, but I mean, 349 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: you can't look back. And you know, I was very 350 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: proud of the defense I was able to provide. And 351 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: many times people looked at me as just an offensive shortstop, 352 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: but I was proud of the defense I played. Oh 353 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: no question, Ay times Silver slug a winner. 354 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: And I want to look into a stat here that's 355 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: always opens my eyes for good hitters. 356 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: Was runners in scoring position. 357 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: You hit two eighty five, you had over on two 358 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: and twenty RBIs it's a different mental part of the 359 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: game with runners and score in position. 360 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: How did you approach those effects? 361 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting. The guy my team that 362 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: I played with, I thought was the very best at 363 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: two out, you know, getting the runner into the second base. 364 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: It was Eddie Murray. Eddie Murray was just a super 365 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: clutch guy, and I remember his approach was, you know, 366 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: you take what the pitcher gives you. Like many times 367 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: you go up there and try to do too much. 368 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: But if you're getting pitched on the outside part of 369 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: the plate, you got a guy on the second base, 370 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: don't try to pull it, don't try to jacket over 371 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: the fence. Just go with it and hit a line 372 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: drive and get the runner in. And I think that 373 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 2: sort of approach, putting the ball in play, you know, 374 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: maybe cutting down on your swing a little bit use 375 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: the bigger part of the field, was a really good approach. 376 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: And I don't know whether the analytics now really celebrate 377 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: an RBI guy, and I mean somebody, somebody's got to 378 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: drive the run in and uh and and run scored. 379 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 3: And RBIs or. 380 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: Or how you win games. And so we always took 381 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: pride in trying to be that clutch hype hitter where 382 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: we can we could come through with that, especially with 383 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: two hours and a one second. 384 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, kel, as we finish up here, we have to 385 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: talk about the great day September sixth, nineteen ninety five. 386 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: Of course, breaking Luke Errick's consecutive games an emotional day 387 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: for you, your family, emotional even for the Baltimore oriole fans. 388 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: A day he'll never forget and Dale I'll never forget 389 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: as being a baseball player as well as a fan. 390 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: You know, when you think back at those days, you know, 391 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: leading up to it, it had to be a little nervous, 392 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: a little anxiety getting to you. 393 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: What did you think coming into that? 394 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: So it is interesting the Orioles did a special thing, 395 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: and Bobby bo came back and Raphael pump Arrow came 396 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 2: back and we kind of, you know, re enacted them 397 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: pushing me down the line for the flat, which was 398 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: a who But going through it, I never allowed myself 399 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: to really think, you know, about what the number one 400 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: or even if what the record was. And the only 401 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: time that I felt any pressure was probably in that 402 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: year ninety five was after we came off to strike 403 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 2: and they canceled the World Series. They locked us out 404 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: of spring training. This season was shortened a bit, and 405 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: the fans were a little upset at us, you know, 406 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 2: because the collective bargaining had gotten in the way, and 407 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: there was a special interest in the streak that year, 408 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: and so I tried to do whatever I could, you know, 409 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: to almost say you're sorry. You know, you gave yourself 410 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: to the media, you gave yourself to the fans, and 411 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: I tried to control, you know, the celebration of the 412 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: streak so it wouldn't affect my teammates. But when it 413 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: got right down to it, they were planning this big day, 414 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: and I never ever felt, you know, if I get 415 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: hurt or something happens in the game, it's just the 416 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: way it's supposed to be. Then all of a sudden, 417 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: and I wasn't sleeping particularly well. The excitement level was 418 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: high and a little anxiety, but I think it was 419 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: a big relief. After twenty one thirty, you got through it. 420 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: I knew twenty one thirty one would happen, and then 421 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: I was just was I was able to relax a 422 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: little bit and enjoy. And the most important thing I 423 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: thought during that series was for our team to play 424 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: well and for me to do well. You know, it 425 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: wasn't just a celebration of an attendance record. It was 426 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: a celebration of being out there in the home run 427 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: of each one of the games twenty one, twenty nine, 428 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: twenty one, thirty one, and we won all three in 429 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 2: California was in that race, so I thought that was 430 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: as important. But yeah, it was quite a bit of 431 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 2: nerves and at a lot of excitement run around the 432 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: ballpark too. 433 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: Cal as we finish up. You do so many things 434 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: for charities. You want to Robertal Clemeny Award for all 435 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: the things you do off the field. But the one 436 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: thing that I always love about reading about you is 437 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: all the things you do for kids, the next players 438 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. And you do so much for 439 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: little league's colts, summer ball, so many different things and 440 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: the teaching method of baseball. How do you take that 441 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: from your heart and do that for the kids. Well, 442 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, my mom and dad. 443 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 2: Were always people that were really involved in the community. 444 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: They encouraged me to get involved. I remember my mom said, 445 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: just think, if you make it to the big legs 446 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: and you sign a big contract, not only can you 447 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: help with your time, but you can help with your money. 448 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: And I think that that was just the way that 449 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: we were brought up, and I particularly liked. You know, 450 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: in the beginning, I didn't think about it so much. 451 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: If you slam your helmet down or throw a fit 452 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: on the field, the kids are watching. But Ken Singleton 453 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: pulled me aside. Like in my first year. He showed 454 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: me in the video room that I had broken a 455 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: helmet on the top step of the dugout and he goes, 456 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: what do you think that looks like? And I go 457 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: look bad, doesn't it? And he goes yeah. He goes, 458 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: we don't do that here, and he reminded me that 459 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: people are watching, and so I just tried to contain. 460 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 2: He took me back to the little rooms and there 461 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: was this big rubber thing hanging from the ceiling. He says, 462 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: you need to get your frustration now, come beat the 463 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 2: heck out of that and get it out that way. 464 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: But it really was an interesting piece of advice. Sure 465 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: you know that kids are watching. I know I watched 466 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: and looked up to you my heroes Brooks Robinson, and 467 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: I tried to be just like him. So when you're 468 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: aware of that and you wear about kids look at you, 469 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: you just try to watch yourself a little bit. I've 470 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: always enjoyed the influence I have with kids. 471 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: Well, Cal, thank you for your time today. What a 472 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: great career. 473 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: I loved watching you, competed against you and I'll never 474 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: forget the days that you went out. 475 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: There daily and competed. And thank you again. 476 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. It was good to go down 477 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: memory late here a little bit. 478 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: Thank you. 479 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Yeah that was Cal Riken Junior on the x S 480 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: arning postgame show. More coming up right here on K 481 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: and B r D Sports Leader