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Speaker 2: on the UMA guest line is one of our favorite
Speaker 2: forty nine or beat writers, Matt Barrows from The Athletic Matt,
Speaker 2: I've got John Dickinson filling in for Murph this morning.
Speaker 2: How are we doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, And you guys are a favorite of
Speaker 3: mine too. I just want to let.
Speaker 2: You know that, Oh, Matt, I always love hearing that.
Speaker 2: You've always been one of my favorites from when I
Speaker 2: used to book you for like Drew Hoffer and Ryan
Speaker 2: Covey late at night, so it always appreciates time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a name drop for you. Yes, indeed. Well, Matt,
Speaker 2: I know there's so many storylines to get into with
Speaker 2: forty nine ers training camp, but before we get into
Speaker 2: all the training camp schedules, I need to ask you
Speaker 2: about the travel schedules for the forty nine ers and
Speaker 2: the Rams. Five weeks and one day from today. It
Speaker 2: sounds like the Rams are flying out one day before
Speaker 2: the game. It was reported yesterday by ESPN's Dan Graziano.
Speaker 2: If you could please break down what you know about
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers travel schedule and what you kind
Speaker 2: of feel about the Rams strategy to fly in one
Speaker 2: day before Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a study in contrast, so this week one
Speaker 3: will be a great, you know, test of different strategies.
Speaker 3: The forty nine ers are going to go out I
Speaker 3: think more than a week ahead of the game, so
Speaker 3: they are taking a very scientific approach. They are going
Speaker 3: to try to acclimate I assume if they'll be practicing
Speaker 3: in the morning because that game Australia time kicks off
Speaker 3: at ten thirty, which is, you know, earlier than any
Speaker 3: local start that you're you're ever going to have in
Speaker 3: the NFL. The Rams are doing the exact opposite. They
Speaker 3: are not going to to overthink it. They're almost literally
Speaker 3: parachuting in the day before the game, and the idea
Speaker 3: is that we're not gonna kind of go through the
Speaker 3: rigmar role of adjusting our body clocks that might fail.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna react. And I believe they did something
Speaker 3: similar in a game in London recently and it went
Speaker 3: well for them. They blew the doors off the Jaguars
Speaker 3: in that game, and I think that sort of sealed
Speaker 3: their their their approach to these types of things that
Speaker 3: you know what, we're not going to change things. We're
Speaker 3: not going to torture ourselves through all these changes. We're
Speaker 3: just going to go in and, like I said, react
Speaker 3: to the situation. So it'll be interesting to see which
Speaker 3: team comes out on top. I mean, talent obviously is
Speaker 3: going to be a big factor in this as well.
Speaker 3: But my thought is that if the forty nine Ers
Speaker 3: sneak out of victory in that game and then have
Speaker 3: what is it, three home games later, I mean, that's
Speaker 3: a really great start to the season for them, and
Speaker 3: they beat their biggest rival and then they have some
Speaker 3: home games. If they lose it, though, and this is
Speaker 3: my point that then you know they have done a
Speaker 3: lot of work for nothing.
Speaker 4: No question, And they do, at least on paper, have
Speaker 4: two of the more winnable home games on their home
Speaker 4: schedule as those Week two and Week three games as well,
Speaker 4: that I think could be perceived as as somewhat of
Speaker 4: a softer landing spot considering the circumstances. I'm fascinated by
Speaker 4: this The quote from Sean McVay. Going back to last year,
Speaker 4: Matt and you mentioned them going over to London and
Speaker 4: beating the Jaguars. They arrived the morning of the game,
Speaker 4: so I guess it was a night game in London.
Speaker 4: They got in the morning of the game. And the
Speaker 4: quote from Sean McVay, we're like seal team sick, were
Speaker 4: in and out before you know what happened.
Speaker 3: See all teams score six. Yeah. I like that. I
Speaker 3: like that analogy.
Speaker 4: So I don't know who would you give the like,
Speaker 4: who would Matty Barrows give the the advantage to, because
Speaker 4: we were just talking about it during the break, and
Speaker 4: obviously there's a track record of the Rams doing it
Speaker 4: this way last year in a little bit of a
Speaker 4: different circumstance. But I feel like the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: would have an advantage at least going into it. Wouldn't
Speaker 4: wouldn't you You would think if they're they're a week
Speaker 4: and their their bodies have adjusted, you would think that
Speaker 4: they would have an advantage.
Speaker 3: And I should say that they've done well on these
Speaker 3: these longer trips over the years, the weeks that they
Speaker 3: spend in West Virginia or Youngstown State or Colorado, they
Speaker 3: usually do well in the next game. I don't think
Speaker 3: their their record is perfect, but they feel like they
Speaker 3: have a good handle on this bodyclock stuff, so you know.
Speaker 3: But then again, you know, the Jim Harball teams that
Speaker 3: I covered used to kind of handle long trips, like
Speaker 3: the McVeigh teams, let's let's just get on a plane go,
Speaker 3: you know, they were like the I always liken those
Speaker 3: teams to the outsiders. You just you just show up
Speaker 3: in the park and and have a fistfight. And he
Speaker 3: was a shift fall, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I said, a study and you
Speaker 3: couldn't have two more different approaches to a game in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two different strategies being implemented by Sean McVay and
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. But these are two different coaches that are
Speaker 2: in two different situations right now. With of course, Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan is still recovering from the car accident from a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Matt, what can you tell us
Speaker 2: about Kyle's recovery and some of the progress he's made
Speaker 2: throughout training camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's making progress. I don't think he's ready to
Speaker 3: take on the full day to day duties of a
Speaker 3: NFL head coach. From what I understand, uh stamina is
Speaker 3: still an issue. He just doesn't have the ability to
Speaker 3: put in that workload. But he's he's moving in that direction.
Speaker 3: They had their longest practice of the summer on on Monday,
Speaker 3: and he was out for virtually the whole practice, watching
Speaker 3: it live, and he also addressed the team for the
Speaker 3: first time. Over the weekend. He hadn't he hadn't held
Speaker 3: any team wide meetings. So all of those are are
Speaker 3: positive signs. But like I said, I don't think that
Speaker 3: there's any sense that maybe in this next block of practices,
Speaker 3: next four practices, he will be there in full.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Then they have next week a joint practice with the
Speaker 3: Titans and the Robert Salas, and then a preseason game,
Speaker 3: and then they have one in uh La with the Chargers.
Speaker 3: So that's sort of the next question. Is he up
Speaker 3: and running in full before those? I think I've I
Speaker 3: think another legitimate question is remember they had to cancel
Speaker 3: a joint practice I think it was against the Saints
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago because they just ran out
Speaker 3: of bodies. They couldn't hold a kind of a legitimate practice.
Speaker 3: And they're starting to approach those injury levels. They're probably
Speaker 3: not there yet, but there's more opportunities for guys to
Speaker 3: get injured over the next few days. So I think
Speaker 3: that that's always sort of a question do they have
Speaker 3: enough healthy bodies for these joint sessions?
Speaker 6: Well, you went exactly where I was going to go next.
Speaker 4: I mean, what's your sense for just how the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers are navigating the here we go again nature
Speaker 4: of some of these injuries, whether it's a season ender
Speaker 4: like Ricky Piersoll, or it's some of the more day
Speaker 4: to day, you know, dealings that at least on the surface,
Speaker 4: don't seem like they're going to be relatively long term.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most of these aren't going to be
Speaker 3: relatively long term, you know, but when when it happens
Speaker 3: to a Jordan James or a Kaylin Black, younger guys
Speaker 3: that that haven't been through it, you know, I think
Speaker 3: that there is concern. You want them a practicing as
Speaker 3: much as possible. In other words, now, both of those
Speaker 3: guys look really good to begin camp, and it's going
Speaker 3: to depend on how much time they miss. But you know,
Speaker 3: Jordan James has a broken rib. He's a running back,
Speaker 3: I would think that that rib has to fully heal
Speaker 3: before he can get back into the action. But you
Speaker 3: know too, I'm sure the your listeners want to know
Speaker 3: why the forty nine ers have all these injuries all
Speaker 3: the time, and I do believe it's because they just
Speaker 3: go hard in these practices. The word callous is used
Speaker 3: a lot by Kyle Shanahan, by John Lynch. You know,
Speaker 3: they want these guys to get used to a certain
Speaker 3: pace so that when the regulars even begins, they are
Speaker 3: they are moving at a greater pace than than the opponent.
Speaker 3: So they're building this callous right now, and then building
Speaker 3: a callous you get wounded. So that's the that's the
Speaker 3: trade off is that, yeah, you you get sort of
Speaker 3: inured used to practicing hard, but you end up hurting
Speaker 3: yourself as well. So that's, like I said, that's the
Speaker 3: line that this team walks. I yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 3: give those guys sodium pentethal and ask them if they
Speaker 3: thought it was worth it last season because they were
Speaker 3: a good team. They were better than a lot of
Speaker 3: teams despite having so many injuries. So you saw that
Speaker 3: callous in action, but you you you also saw it.
Speaker 3: You know cost the team uh in the end.
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Speaker 2: RCU today at Redwood CEU org and Matt. Since the
Speaker 2: last time we saw the forty nine ers on the field,
Speaker 2: they've made an addition bringing in Deebo Samuel over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Nineteen problems is back in the bay. What's been your
Speaker 2: scattering report of what's it been like for you seeing
Speaker 2: Deebo back on the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like two thousand and in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel, he's wearing nineteen. He's taking handoffs out of
Speaker 3: the backfield, he's catching the short passes, lots of screens
Speaker 3: and you know, his physique looks good. And that's what
Speaker 3: that's what you're worried about with Deebo Samuel. That's Zeke
Speaker 3: can get out of hand very quickly. But like I said,
Speaker 3: remember the he was coming off of that twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two season, which wasn't a good year for him, and
Speaker 3: he went back and he watched the tape the following
Speaker 3: off season and he didn't like what he saw, and
Speaker 3: he came back inspired in twenty twenty three and he
Speaker 3: didn't have a twenty twenty one like season. That was
Speaker 3: his real breakthrough year, but it was better. So I
Speaker 3: think that that's the reasonable, you know, optimistic expectation for
Speaker 3: him is that he's back to that twenty twenty three form.
Speaker 3: And Tim Kalakami made this point, I don't want to
Speaker 3: want to steal it from him, but he noted that,
Speaker 3: you know, having Deebo Shamuel on the team aughta mean
Speaker 3: that they don't have to lean on Christian McCaffrey for
Speaker 3: a lot of the pass plays that they did last year.
Speaker 3: I remember early in the season, Christian McCaffrey was finishing with
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty combined yards in like ninety five
Speaker 3: of those were receiving yards, and so a lot of
Speaker 3: the wear and tear, a lot of the touches that
Speaker 3: he took last year were uh, receiving touches. So I
Speaker 3: think that they're going into the season wanting to make
Speaker 3: sure that Christian McCaffrey is better preserved than he was
Speaker 3: a year ago. And we've all been thinking, oh, that's
Speaker 3: going to be related to calin Black. It's going to
Speaker 3: be related to Jordan James. I think it's also going
Speaker 3: to be related to Deebo Samuel. So the addition of
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel helps the team in that regard as well.
Speaker 4: Matt third block of camp begins today, these these four
Speaker 4: day blocks and then an off day, and they've had
Speaker 4: the jog through practices. I saw you wrote about some
Speaker 4: of the early trends. It popped into my feed early
Speaker 4: early here.
Speaker 6: Doing this show.
Speaker 4: I was able to skim it what without giving it
Speaker 4: away because we obviously want people to go and read
Speaker 4: it the athletic But what has stood out to this
Speaker 4: point as some of the positive trends through the first.
Speaker 6: Couple of blocks, and what maybe is concerning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not all bad news. I think
Speaker 3: that there are a couple of position groups that have
Speaker 3: stood out as real strengths, real real deep positions, and
Speaker 3: those are cornerback and linebacker. And I think the addition
Speaker 3: of Raheem Morris, who's a sort of a dB specialist
Speaker 3: throughout his career and also a guy who's whose teams
Speaker 3: have come up with a lot of interceptions at times,
Speaker 3: is really helping. I think he recognizes who his cornerbacks are,
Speaker 3: what their strengths are, and he's putting them in position
Speaker 3: to capitalize on those strengths. So those two positions look good.
Speaker 3: I mean, anytime you've got Fred Warner and Drake Greenlaw
Speaker 3: basically in the middle of your defense, it's going to
Speaker 3: be a better defense. There are some concerns though, and
Speaker 3: defensive end to me is just you know, sticking out
Speaker 3: like a sore thumb. That should be better in a
Speaker 3: few weeks when you know the Bosa is going full
Speaker 3: speed and Michael Williams might be uh coming back to practice.
Speaker 3: But it sort of exposes beyond them, just you know,
Speaker 3: the dearth of talent there. You know, none of these
Speaker 3: guys has has ever been a sack master beyond beyond Bosa.
Speaker 3: So I think that that's going to be another concern
Speaker 3: this year. Maybe Raheem Morris can sort of scheme the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers around that, but that's that's been a
Speaker 3: problem area. And the other problem area with with all
Speaker 3: these injuries, that they don't really have any camp competitions anymore.
Speaker 3: You know, most it's usually you know, they had maybe
Speaker 3: half a dozen going into camp, but you know, uh,
Speaker 3: in five of those instances the one of the guys
Speaker 3: were in one case both of the guys hurt. So
Speaker 3: that iron sharpened iron cliche you here all the time
Speaker 3: not really applying right now because that there's not a
Speaker 3: second piece of iron or sharp in the gains as
Speaker 3: far as the competition. So those are those are some
Speaker 3: of the themes that are a few more that I
Speaker 3: put forward. But I think that there's probably a little
Speaker 3: bit more positive going on than maybe. If you're a
Speaker 3: casual fan, you're you're picking up right now, Matt.
Speaker 2: Never a shortage of topics down in Santa Clara. We'll
Speaker 2: let you get back to work. We'll let you figure
Speaker 2: out your travel plans for week one in five weeks,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Matt, all right, anytime guys talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Appreciate There. He is Matt Barrows from The Athletic. You
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Speaker 2: coming up next, We've got the cooler of content. Maybe
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Speaker 2: training camp and you will hear from Kevin to comparing
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen Warriors to the twenty twenty six Philadelphia
Speaker 2: seventy six Ers. All that and more. Next in the
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Speaker 2: And JD, We've got an interesting topic today. In the
Speaker 2: Cooler of Content, it's Kevin Durant forever Warrior, trying to
Speaker 2: maybe rewritee some Warriors history. I should say a lot
Speaker 2: of conversation going on about Lebron James and his decision
Speaker 2: to take his talents to Philadelphia, a lot of people
Speaker 2: comparing it to Kevin Durant joining the Warriors in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Kd's got different takes here was KD just a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago, given his thoughts on the Philadelphia seventy
Speaker 2: six Ers having more twenty points scores than the Warriors
Speaker 2: did in twenty seventeen, and how the rest of the
Speaker 2: league and social media viewed it as a problem at
Speaker 2: the time, you know, like their contenders for sure.
Speaker 5: I'm a kid. You don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just asking you.
Speaker 7: Last time they play bought three twenty points scores on
Speaker 7: the team, they said it was unfair, which is the team?
Speaker 5: Ivison?
Speaker 7: Yeah, they got four twenty five point scores in the seat,
Speaker 7: So he goat that they will be a contender.
Speaker 5: Man, they will be a great team to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's no question that the seventy six
Speaker 2: ers are going to be a contender. I guess the
Speaker 2: question is, how do you compare it? To Kevin Durant
Speaker 2: joining the Warriors in twenty seventeen. Now KD is going
Speaker 2: roster versus roster on paper and comparing the total points
Speaker 2: per game for each of the players versus the overall
Speaker 2: resume in my opinion, because Kevin Durant did not stop
Speaker 2: there with the audio, he also went on social media
Speaker 2: to clap back. Maybe forgot the log out of his
Speaker 2: Burner account, or maybe he forgot the log into his
Speaker 2: Burner account and started taking shots at some of his
Speaker 2: former teammates, saying that Klay Thompson never an MVP candidate
Speaker 2: in nothing, Draymond Green fourteen points per game, seven rebounds,
Speaker 2: six to six, and Steph and Joel are essentially the
Speaker 2: same because they're both MVPs. Now, I think I disagree
Speaker 2: with all three of those statements because you can't compare
Speaker 2: this version of Joel Embiid to a unanimous MVP in
Speaker 2: Steph Curry. You also just can't look at the box
Speaker 2: score with Draymond Green because you know his impact is
Speaker 2: way bigger beyond the box score. And then to take
Speaker 2: a stray at Klay Thompson, who in his prime was
Speaker 2: arguably the best two in the entire league offensively and defensively.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird to see Kevin Durant trying to
Speaker 2: kind of shape his own narrative to maybe take some
Speaker 2: of the heat off of him after he joined the
Speaker 2: Warriors team after his team lost a three to one
Speaker 2: series to the Warriors in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Klay Thompson at that point was the
Speaker 4: ultimate robin. He may not have been the best robin
Speaker 4: in the league, but he was right up there. I mean,
Speaker 4: top three, top top two, top five, like however you
Speaker 4: want to categorize it. But I think and I agree
Speaker 4: with you, that the Sixers obviously immediately are contenders. But
Speaker 4: it's different because that Warriors team that Kadi joined was established.
Speaker 4: The seventy six Ers team is not established at all.
Speaker 4: It's a tremendous amount of unknowns. Embiid is a shell
Speaker 4: of his former self, which I'm with, you can't use
Speaker 4: this Steph comparison in that vein because we're not talking
Speaker 4: about twenty nineteen Joel Embiid.
Speaker 2: At this stage.
Speaker 4: Maxi is awesome and an All star, but at a
Speaker 4: budding superstar. But he has not accomplished anything in the
Speaker 4: game that to this point Steph and Clay hadn't accomplished
Speaker 4: in fairness there. And look, Jalen Brown's a Finals MVP,
Speaker 4: He's in that conversation to this point of his career.
Speaker 4: I think of being the ultimate Number two or the
Speaker 4: ultimate Robin. I think maybe the way things played out
Speaker 4: with Boston led people nationally to think that it was
Speaker 4: more of a one in a one A than it
Speaker 4: actually and I think, as we talked about earlier, that
Speaker 4: might have been part of why Boston was so willing
Speaker 4: to move on from Jalen Brown. But there are a
Speaker 4: lot of unknowns as to how these pieces, talented as
Speaker 4: they may be, will fit together with Philadelphia and Lebron
Speaker 4: joining that nix.
Speaker 2: That Warriors team was.
Speaker 4: Absolutely completely established in a rhythm, had won seventy three games,
Speaker 4: had won a title, already should have won a second title.
Speaker 4: Steph was a two time MVP unanimous in the seventy
Speaker 4: three and nine year and then they just dropped KD
Speaker 4: in the Harrison Barnes slot of the roster, and it
Speaker 4: was an absolutely seamless fit from a basketball standpoint. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that Warriors team, by far, in my opinion, is better
Speaker 4: than this Sixers team with Lebron getting dropped into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you. Now it's a
Speaker 2: different situation with this Sixers team not being able to
Speaker 2: play a game yet with Jaylen Brown. So we'll see
Speaker 2: how they look and how that all fits in. But
Speaker 2: this is a Sixers team that went forty five and
Speaker 2: thirty seven last year and lost in a second round
Speaker 2: of the playoffs.
Speaker 4: It goes back to the I think it was Dean Oliver,
Speaker 4: the analytics legend in basketball circles, who put out the
Speaker 4: number on social media of all of the usage of
Speaker 4: all of the individuals. And it was Maxi, and it
Speaker 4: was Embeied, and it was Lebron, and it was it
Speaker 4: was Jalen Brown. And the usage added up from last
Speaker 4: year with all of these guys individually to like one
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty percent. So that's thirty percent usage that's
Speaker 4: going to have to decline from somewhere, probably in some
Speaker 4: form or fashion, from all four.
Speaker 2: That's not easy to do.
Speaker 4: If you remember, I mean Draymond took a step back
Speaker 4: in terms of looking to try to score absolutely, and
Speaker 4: that was coming off of a year where Draymond was
Speaker 4: a thirty eight percent three point shooter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something to bring up a lot. Draymond was
Speaker 2: improving tremendously as a three point shoot until KD came in.
Speaker 2: Then he became became hesitant to shoot the ball because
Speaker 2: he shouldn't be shooting the ball when you have those
Speaker 2: scores on the team. And that kind of played out
Speaker 2: through the remainder of his career.
Speaker 4: He completely stopped focusing on scoring because they had other
Speaker 4: scoring And I don't know if you recall, you probably do.
Speaker 4: Do you remember what Klay Thompson said when KD came
Speaker 4: and he was asked about, you know, sacrificing or maybe
Speaker 4: taking taking a lesser role because of KD. He said,
Speaker 4: I ain't sacrifice in ish. Hmm, That's exactly what he said, Uh,
Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, hey, he gets the ball
Speaker 4: kicked to him, catch and shoot, and they wanted that
Speaker 4: at that point.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a selfish issue or anything.
Speaker 2: That was the system at the time.
Speaker 4: He was that good and that was the system and
Speaker 4: that was going to be his role. But basically the
Speaker 4: way and Steph at that point was the was the
Speaker 4: guy who I do think did take a minor step back,
Speaker 4: not that his numbers reflected. He was still uh, top
Speaker 4: two three in the game at that stage. If you
Speaker 4: recall it was it was Lebron and KD at that
Speaker 4: point that were sort of the best two in the game,
Speaker 4: and then Steph was right there as the third or
Speaker 4: the two A or the one C or however you
Speaker 4: want to categorize it at that point. But that team
Speaker 4: had it dialed. From a collaborative flow rhythm standpoint. It
Speaker 4: was just the perfect compilation of skill sets and offensive system.
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, the defensive system was perfect
Speaker 4: two with all the switchability and the like. And then
Speaker 4: you drop Kevin Durant in there, and so you had
Speaker 4: a little bit more of the one on one ability
Speaker 4: of Durant when you needed it. But Durant, because he
Speaker 4: was so damn efficient in the mid range and so
Speaker 4: good in any system, like, he could just play in
Speaker 4: the flow for forty five minutes of a game and
Speaker 4: then in the last three minutes you could take the
Speaker 4: game over and win it if teams were going to
Speaker 4: try to take away Steph or take away somebody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was such a perfect fit at the time,
Speaker 2: and it resulted in championships and Kevin Durant winning finals
Speaker 2: MVP as well, but you still kind of have this
Speaker 2: narrative that Katie had to join the Warriors, and it
Speaker 2: feels like that narrative is still stuck in ahead of Katie,
Speaker 2: which is why he's trying to rewrite some of his history.
Speaker 2: It's where Klay Thompson responded on social media saying, hey, man,
Speaker 2: you good? Why you call me up by my government name?
Speaker 4: It just continues to seem, doesn't it like he doesn't
Speaker 4: have the fondest appreciation for the three years that he
Speaker 4: was here.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: No, he hates the fact that he doesn't get all
Speaker 2: the credit in the world and he's viewed as a
Speaker 2: ring chaser for joining this team after losing a three
Speaker 2: to one series that season.
Speaker 4: I think you're spot on with that, and I think
Speaker 4: he felt he didn't quite get enough of the credit
Speaker 4: for being the Finals MVP.
Speaker 2: In two of those years.
Speaker 4: And basically, I would bet internally as stacked as the
Speaker 4: Warriors were, And that's part of.
Speaker 2: This conversation and debate today.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if internally Durant is of the
Speaker 4: belief like, hey, we don't win either one of these
Speaker 4: if I don't come, and then the.
Speaker 2: Legacies of all these dudes are different, Yeah, which is
Speaker 2: wild to say. When they won before and after Kevin Durant,
Speaker 2: was there no doubt?
Speaker 4: And that's where twenty twenty two is the ultimate in
Speaker 4: terms of because it was. And I will admit fully
Speaker 4: that I often wondered, had Durant not come, would they
Speaker 4: have won another one? Like we know they won in fifteen,
Speaker 4: We know they lost in sixteen with the circumstances and
Speaker 4: Draymond's suspension and all of that. Would they have won
Speaker 4: another one seventeen eighteen nineteen had Kevin.
Speaker 2: Durant not come.
Speaker 6: I initially had leaned no.
Speaker 4: But it's funny when they went back and won in
Speaker 4: twenty two with a completely different team, essentially with Steph
Speaker 4: and Clay coming back off the injury in Draymond, that
Speaker 4: actually changed my opinion of seventeen eighteen nine.
Speaker 2: I think they probably would have gotten another one. Yeahsight,
Speaker 2: I'd say, to answer your QUI question, as Kevin Durant,
Speaker 2: he would say no, answer your question, would say no.
Speaker 2: To answer your question, as Draymond Green, he would say yes.
Speaker 2: And guess what. Draymond Green had a response yesterday on
Speaker 2: his podcast.
Speaker 5: You're Gonna Get This Pod?
Speaker 2: Here was Draymond Green on The Draymond Green Show, given
Speaker 2: his response on KT's latest comments comparing the Warriors in
Speaker 2: the Sixers or is it really a comparison, Draymond.
Speaker 7: Green, everyone's making a big deal out of kd's comments
Speaker 7: on Lebron joining the Sixers. KD said, the last time
Speaker 7: they put three twenty point scores on the team, they
Speaker 7: said it was unfair, which was the Warriors team I
Speaker 7: was on.
Speaker 5: The Sixers got four to twenty.
Speaker 7: Five point scores on this team, So hell yeah, I
Speaker 7: think they're going to be a contender number one.
Speaker 5: I think that's KD giving them their respect.
Speaker 7: Y'all make it as if kat was saying, oh, man,
Speaker 7: Lebron did the same thing KD did. When people try
Speaker 7: to negatively throw out there like oh he did what
Speaker 7: KD did, I don't really respect that.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 7: To understand his statement, though, you also have to understand
Speaker 7: the way kdview basketball.
Speaker 5: The way kdview basketball is very Uncle drewish.
Speaker 7: This game will and always will be about buckets.
Speaker 5: That's how Katie viewed the game.
Speaker 7: So when KAD said, Yo, they got four twenty five
Speaker 7: point scores, you have to understand that KD mind what
Speaker 7: that means that is how KDC the game, so he's
Speaker 7: going to mention it to twenty five point scores.
Speaker 5: He also said that the.
Speaker 7: Sixers are better on paper than the Warriors were in
Speaker 7: twenty sixteen seventeen. I don't know that I can agree
Speaker 7: with that. I don't really think it works, but that's
Speaker 7: Kd's opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it works either. Draymond Green, and
Speaker 2: I think those are two important things to kind of
Speaker 2: bounce off there. From Draymond Green's comments, He's right, it's
Speaker 2: not the same. Katie was in his prime in his
Speaker 2: mid twenties when he joined the Warriors. Lebron is now
Speaker 2: in his forties joining this Philadelphia team. The second opinion
Speaker 2: he had is about how Katie views a game of basketball.
Speaker 2: Uncle Drewish, it's all about buckets, young blood. The game
Speaker 2: is all about scoring. But no, it's not that simple,
Speaker 2: because going back to Katie's comparison on paper of this
Speaker 2: seventy six Ers team versus the Warriors team, you got
Speaker 2: to dive deeper than just a points per game. What
Speaker 2: we were just saying about the boss score, Draymond Green
Speaker 2: and the defensive ability of a Klay Thompson and hell,
Speaker 2: even the versatility of a guy like Andre Gudala.
Speaker 4: He's right, and and I think Draymond explains how KDE
Speaker 4: views it really well, and I think, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: spot on, But yeah, there is more to the game.
Speaker 6: Than than just buckets and just scoring.
Speaker 4: And it's it's fit in usage and flow and all
Speaker 4: of those things offensively, and then it's the ability to
Speaker 4: defend and come up with a system to play both ends.
Speaker 4: And and I also took similarly the way Draymond did
Speaker 4: the initial part of like I didn't think when I
Speaker 4: heard the KD clip that we played a couple of
Speaker 4: times that he was necessarily taken a shot at at
Speaker 4: the Warriors or at his time. But I think the
Speaker 4: follow up with the with the burner, you know that,
Speaker 4: and and Draymond joked about that as well on social media.
Speaker 4: But I think that that's when I thought, Okay, that
Speaker 4: that hit me a little bit a little bit different.
Speaker 2: And then even when you pile it on from his
Speaker 2: comment a couple of weeks ago about how Katie viewed
Speaker 2: the entire organization as like an underdog organization, which makes
Speaker 2: sense if you talk about pretty Steph Clay and Draymond
Speaker 2: but they've also turned into one of the best dynasties
Speaker 2: in the NBA, and they won before you got there,
Speaker 2: Katie totally.
Speaker 4: I also I also sort of give him the benefit
Speaker 4: of the doubt on the underdog organization comment, just based
Speaker 4: on I think it's it's you got to think of
Speaker 4: it in terms of Katie's perspective on the Warriors, when
Speaker 4: when he came into the league, and he came into
Speaker 4: the league, what the year after we believe and when
Speaker 4: he was still what a supersonic? Yeah, we tried one
Speaker 4: year as a supersonic exactly right, and so that was
Speaker 4: the year after we believe. So that's like in the
Speaker 4: you know what the the year were the Warriors won
Speaker 4: I think forty eight games and missed the playoffs after
Speaker 4: we Believe and then Baron Davis wanted out and then
Speaker 4: everything kind of fell apart. But I think Katie's perception
Speaker 4: of the Warriors growing up is that of anybody's perception
Speaker 4: of the Warriors growing up that's older than maybe the
Speaker 4: age of I don't know, thirty two.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, it's a lot different when we were showing
Speaker 2: up at Oracle and you gotta freek chalupa because I
Speaker 2: scored one hundred points.
Speaker 4: I Katie remembered those days, I think from being a
Speaker 4: kid growing up following the league, and then also I
Speaker 4: think remembered what they became after his rookie year and
Speaker 4: Seattle turned into Oklahoma City and the Warriors were back
Speaker 4: to being in a really bad way there nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
Speaker 4: all the way up until twenty thirteen when it started
Speaker 4: to flip with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and Draymond Green.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now we're at the point where Kevin Durant
Speaker 2: is criticizing the twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen Warriors as well.
Speaker 2: Everybody's a critic, including NFL executives around the league. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: the Athletic and Mike Sando dropped their quarterback tier list,
Speaker 2: and there are still critics on Brock Party about being
Speaker 2: or should I say not being a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 2: We will react to the QB tier list before we
Speaker 2: check in with Blade Tidwell this morning at nine to
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Speaker 8: I think he's really established himself as an upper tier
Speaker 8: quarterback who is probably not going to go, you know,
Speaker 8: to into cheer one unless he were to really put
Speaker 8: it on his back and maybe do some things physically.
Speaker 8: You know, it's harder to do. But all the comments
Speaker 8: on him are pretty much positive. I think he's just
Speaker 8: he's had a career high number in this thing. Is
Speaker 8: votes for the best they've ever been. I don't, but
Speaker 8: I don't think anyone's saying he's necessarily going to go
Speaker 8: to A one. I think people still do give some credit,
Speaker 8: I think rightfully so to Kyle Shanan, who does a
Speaker 8: great job with the offense. But shoot, this is not
Speaker 8: a bad place to be. He's tied for eleventh with
Speaker 8: what is tied with Killer Williams. I believe m hm,
Speaker 8: And you know, you'd probably if I had to go
Speaker 8: with the next five games, I'd probably take Rock Purty.
Speaker 2: The voice of Mike Sando from The Athletic who joined
Speaker 2: Murph and myself yesterday right here on the Murph and
Speaker 2: Markie Show, and you are listening to cambyr AM and
Speaker 2: camby r FM, San Francisco, d Sports Leader, a Cumulus
Speaker 2: Media station, and JD. You know, we're getting closer and
Speaker 2: closer to the NFL season. Once Mike Sando drops his
Speaker 2: QB Tier list, it's one of the most popular articles
Speaker 2: that comes out every single year, not just because of
Speaker 2: how great of a rider Mike Sandowy is. It's because
Speaker 2: he pulls fifty total coaches and executives from around the
Speaker 2: league to get their thoughts and their opinions on the
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks in the league. And you just heard him
Speaker 2: give his thoughts on Brock Purty, who was ranked eleventh
Speaker 2: according to these fifty NFL coaches and executives. Now it's
Speaker 2: kind of a no brainer. When you look at this
Speaker 2: tier list. There's your usual suspects right at the top
Speaker 2: of the tier, your elite quarterbacks, your tier one quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: led by Patrick Mahomes, who is still considered the number
Speaker 2: one quarterback in the league despite having a bit of
Speaker 2: a down season and recovering from a knee injury himself.
Speaker 2: Number two, Josh Allen, the Kid out of Fireball California
Speaker 2: with the Buffalo Bills. Matthew Stafford the defending MVP at
Speaker 2: number three, actually tied at number two with Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: and then Joe Cool two point zero Joe Burrow. I
Speaker 2: apologie Joe Montana fans Joe Burrow at number four. That
Speaker 2: cuts off the first tier. Then you get into the
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson Justin Herbert debate me personally, I think that
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson could be considered a Tier one quarterback, but
Speaker 2: we're splitting hairs here. In the top ten Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: from the Chargers number six, Dak Prescott number seven, Drake
Speaker 2: May and Jared Goff tied at number eight, Jordan Love
Speaker 2: number ten. Then we get to your boy brock Party
Speaker 2: at number eleven, which I don't think is too unfair
Speaker 2: of a ranking, despite the fact that Murphy and I
Speaker 2: did our top ten quarterback rankings just a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and Murphy and myself both had brock Party
Speaker 2: at number nine in the NFL kind of in that
Speaker 2: same range. It feels like out after you get outside
Speaker 2: of tier one, you can kind of mix and match
Speaker 2: to your own personal preference where you rank Brock Party,
Speaker 2: but according to this survey, survey says he's right in
Speaker 2: the mix with Kayleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Aker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: Jordan Love, Jared golf In, Drake may your reaction to
Speaker 2: where brock Party was ranked in these QB tiers, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's about right in terms of the overall number.
Speaker 4: I would probably have him up a couple of spots.
Speaker 6: No real qualms with the tier one.
Speaker 4: I think that Lamar being on the fringe there and
Speaker 4: the top tier two quarterback is an indicator that maybe
Speaker 4: he's going to be on a little bit of a
Speaker 4: decline or some of the availability issues that have plagued
Speaker 4: him or maybe hurt his mobility which has been such
Speaker 4: a big part of his You know why he's so
Speaker 4: dynamic is a quarterback in addition to being able to
Speaker 4: make big plays with his arms. So Mahomes Alan Stafford Burrow,
Speaker 4: I like, and I think are accurate. Lamar certainly would
Speaker 4: be the next guy in that whether you want to
Speaker 4: put him, as you said, in one or tier two.
Speaker 6: Here's where it.
Speaker 4: Gets a little interesting for me, Like and this is
Speaker 4: so that's five? I think clear cut, yes, justin Herbert
Speaker 4: has got all the tools. Justin Herbert's got all the tools,
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the playoff success to this point. And
Speaker 4: I think in some ways he's having a is he
Speaker 4: having like an identical career to Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2: Pretty close great during the regular season, kind of disappears
Speaker 2: in the postseason and just yeah, and always viewed as
Speaker 2: higher than the overall team win lost success because he
Speaker 2: looks like a quarterback, he talks like a quarterback, and
Speaker 2: plays like a pretty damn good quarterback during the regular season.
Speaker 2: We just haven't seen that playoff success. We haven't seen
Speaker 2: that clutch gene that we've seen from other some of
Speaker 2: these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: So I'll even give the benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 4: of everything you said. Looks like a quarterback, talks like
Speaker 4: a quarterback, acts like a quarterback. The numbers kind of
Speaker 4: speak for themselves. As I like to say, the numbers
Speaker 4: are the numbers, whether you know the eye test been
Speaker 4: damned on that. So I'll even give Herbert as as
Speaker 4: clearly a tier two and it's fine if you want
Speaker 4: to put him at six. Where I start to think
Speaker 4: there's a legitimate debate is when you get into Dak Prescott,
Speaker 4: Drake May, Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Brock Purdy, and even
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams now because I think you could make the case, like,
Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot going on here, Like Dak
Speaker 4: has a lot of great regular season numbers in and
Speaker 4: of his own right, but again he, in a similar
Speaker 4: fashion to Herbert, has the lack of the playoffs success
Speaker 4: or the lack of overall team success that I think
Speaker 4: you know you would want to see. But again, how
Speaker 4: much of that is tied to quarterback play versus other
Speaker 4: factors and all of that, But I don't know, man, Like,
Speaker 4: if you wanted to tell me you'd put brock Perty
Speaker 4: ahead of Dak Prescott, I'd be fine with that, if
Speaker 4: you wanted to tell me you'd put brock Perty ahead
Speaker 4: of Drake May. Considering we're talking about one one great
Speaker 4: year to this point for Drake May, I think Perdy
Speaker 4: has done more for longer with that clearly, and also
Speaker 4: has made it to a super Bowl in addition to
Speaker 4: multiple playoff wins in multiple seasons at this stage. So
Speaker 4: and again that's where I feel like Perdy gets penalized
Speaker 4: unfairly for being paired with Kyle Shanahan specifically, So I
Speaker 4: also think Brought Perdy is better than Jordan Love. I
Speaker 4: think Jordan Love's the most overrated quarterback in the NFL
Speaker 4: at this point. I think he's good, not great. I
Speaker 4: think he's still kind of living off the back end
Speaker 4: of that twenty twenty three season when he ended up
Speaker 4: playing the forty nine ers and had the great game
Speaker 4: against Dallas, ended up playing the forty nine ers before
Speaker 4: the forty Niners came back and beat them. And then
Speaker 4: I think Caleb Williams is sort of on the ascent,
Speaker 4: and look, I get it, Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: Sam Darnold, Trevor Lawrence, Jaye Hurt, Like, all these guys
Speaker 4: are in the same same tier, in the same tier,
Speaker 4: So it's not necessarily an argument about level of play.
Speaker 6: But I think Party to me feels more like coming in.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have had an issue if you wanted to
Speaker 4: put Caleb Williams given the year he had on par
Speaker 4: or closer to Rock Party. But both of those guys
Speaker 4: may be ahead of some of these others. And then
Speaker 4: I think Jared Goff is the ultimate in system and
Speaker 4: everything has to be right, even more than Brock Purty.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, I mean because we saw Jared Goff take
Speaker 2: a step last year when Ben Johnson left to go
Speaker 2: coach Caleb william with the Chicago Bears. So when I
Speaker 2: did my top ten lists, I had Brock Party and
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams both ranked above Dak Prescott, Drake May, Jared Goff,
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love. Like I had Brock Party at number ten,
Speaker 2: I think I had Caleb right around seven or a
Speaker 2: because I do think that he's on the rise. Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: I thought Matt Mayoko had the perfect line the other day,
Speaker 2: so that might be the most overrated but also most
Speaker 2: underrated quarterback in the league. And I think he does
Speaker 2: have some really good talent. I also think there's some flaws.
Speaker 2: I think Dak Prescott has taken a step back since
Speaker 2: he had that ankle injury a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: not as mobile as he used to be. You look
Speaker 2: at the mobility of Brock Purty, you look at the
Speaker 2: playoff success. That's why I have Brock ranked a head
Speaker 2: of Jordan Love, ranked ahead of Jared Goff, ranked above
Speaker 2: Drake May, who I think after one outlier season where
Speaker 2: the Patriots had the softest schedule in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised to see him in the top ten. Dak Prescott,
Speaker 2: seems like you're still gonna get that love from all
Speaker 2: the Cowboys fans out there. Blah blah blah. But it
Speaker 2: is interesting what you say. A lot of people still
Speaker 2: hold Kyle Shanahan against the brock Party argument, but they
Speaker 2: also hold his draft stock against him, like that's what
Speaker 2: Mike Sandels said, Like, these are all NFL executives and
Speaker 2: coaches that had the opportunity to draft brock Party and
Speaker 2: they let him fall to the final draft pick. He's
Speaker 2: mister Irrelevant. So it still seems like there's people who
Speaker 2: don't want to validate that they were wrong about passing
Speaker 2: on brock Party, and maybe they just can't believe what
Speaker 2: they're seeing something that we've now seen for five seasons
Speaker 2: here in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: And it is interesting too because I think the overarching point,
Speaker 4: and Sando would tell you the overarching thing is the
Speaker 4: tier and not the specific number, because all of these
Speaker 4: guys in this tier are essentially equal, right, It's or
Speaker 4: the level at which can be adjusted by one year
Speaker 4: up and down. So prety tier two, he wasn't tier
Speaker 4: two last year. Party ranks tied for eleventh with with
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. He was fourteenth last year, so he actually
Speaker 4: moved up all right, moving three spots, and then his
Speaker 4: his voting average improved as well. I guess he was
Speaker 4: a two point two eight, which, obviously, given the formula
Speaker 4: that he uses, puts him in the you know, clearly
Speaker 4: in the twos.
Speaker 2: Two points to eight sounds like my my GPN high school.
Speaker 2: And obviously you want to have a lower you want
Speaker 2: to yeah, derease JD. Yeah, you want to have a
Speaker 2: well in this, you want to have a lower number. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get ineligible, That's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 4: So his his average improved by h went from two
Speaker 4: point four to six to two point two eight, So
Speaker 4: eighteen hundreds of a of an addition there.
Speaker 2: So my junior year, it's my senior year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think two point four to six to two
Speaker 4: point seven two.
Speaker 2: Then I'm dropping I'm dropping down JD.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 4: I just think I would have done the ranking a
Speaker 4: little bit differently. But I do think, you know, to
Speaker 4: not have the rage that I think a lot of
Speaker 4: forty Niner fans do when stuff like this comes out.
Speaker 4: I do think he is appropriately tiered, but I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: like I think there's a case to be made about
Speaker 4: him and Dak. I would put him ahead of May,
Speaker 4: I'd put him ahead of goth at this stage, I'd
Speaker 4: put him ahead of Love. I think, you know, Caleb
Speaker 4: Williams had one year, Jayden Daniels had one year, so
Speaker 4: i'd put him ahead of both of those, which he is.
Speaker 4: I think, you know again, he's ahead of Baker, He's
Speaker 4: ahead of Darnold, He's ahead of Lawrence, which I think
Speaker 4: is all fair and appropriate.
Speaker 6: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like coming into this year, he probably should
Speaker 4: be eight or nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's exactly where Murphy and I had him
Speaker 2: in both of our rankings, two different lists, both had
Speaker 2: him as the ninth best quarterback in the league. And
Speaker 2: we'll see if he can lead the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: back to the Promised Land. But coming up next, we'll
Speaker 2: talk about the future of the San Francisco Giants with
Speaker 2: last night starter Blade Tidwell makes his Camyard debut. We'll
Speaker 2: talk all things Giants baseball with Blade Tidwell next on
Speaker 2: The Sports Leader