Speaker 1: All right, we are now joined on Sportsphone KMBR by
Speaker 1: the one and only Max Miller, the man behind Sharks
Speaker 1: Hockey Digest, and of course he also covers the Sharks
Speaker 1: for NHL dot Com.
Speaker 2: Max. What's going on, man, how are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm not the Congressman, so I'm feeling good today.
Speaker 1: You had to add that in right off the bat,
Speaker 1: which is important. We've got much better stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the big new contract for Maclin Celebrini
Speaker 1: and maybe we should back it up to the whole
Speaker 1: offer sheets situation with Leo Carlsin. Do you think that
Speaker 1: in any way impacted what happened with Macklin since he
Speaker 1: did go less than the twenty percent he could have gotten,
Speaker 1: or was that just an interesting little sidebar that may have,
Speaker 1: you know, changed the way things are viewed in the
Speaker 1: NHL along the way to Macklin getting his deal done.
Speaker 3: I think it changed a little bit. I think it
Speaker 3: pushed the price up a slightly.
Speaker 4: You know, I think instead of maybe like an maybe
Speaker 4: him getting eighteen or seventeen eight whatever's more than Coroka
Speaker 4: priz Off, the original highest paid you're in the NHL
Speaker 4: before the Leo Carlson offer sheet.
Speaker 3: I think it pushed the price up a little bit,
Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, I also.
Speaker 4: Don't think he was ever going to take the max.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's You've spoken with him.
Speaker 3: I've spoken with him.
Speaker 4: He's not a guy that strikes you as I want
Speaker 4: to have all the money the equivalent of an NBA
Speaker 4: Super Max.
Speaker 3: No, he's a guy who wants to give them.
Speaker 4: You know, some flexibility may seem high now, but look,
Speaker 4: I mean it doesn't kick in until the twenty seven
Speaker 4: to twenty eight season, and.
Speaker 3: By then it's probably already to discount. So it's it's
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: It pushed the price up, if you maybe a million
Speaker 4: or two. Maybe maybe it could be even as much
Speaker 4: as eight hundred thousand. But I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was a ton of influence, but it definitely did impact
Speaker 4: it a little bit.
Speaker 1: I will say that, yeah, most what was your reaction
Speaker 1: to that offer sheet situation? Was that just a little
Speaker 1: bit of bad blood between those two franchises?
Speaker 2: How did you view it?
Speaker 3: Well? If any canby our listeners are listening from the
Speaker 3: last time I.
Speaker 4: Was on air, that dropped when Dieter and I were
Speaker 4: on the air together, and we both were kind of
Speaker 4: left speechless of fun.
Speaker 3: I was texting with Dieter, I was like, I can't
Speaker 3: believe that just Haven on the air.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I was pretty stunned. But I mean,
Speaker 4: good for good for the Flyers. If you want to
Speaker 4: go get somebody on an offer sheet, that's the way
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 3: And made the Ducks squirm a little bit. For Sharks fans,
Speaker 3: that's kind of fun to think about making your rivals
Speaker 3: squirm a little bit. Well.
Speaker 1: I also, not to get too far away from the
Speaker 1: Macklin situation, but the whole way the Ducks have gone
Speaker 1: about their off season have been really curious about what
Speaker 1: their long term plan is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like the Ducks have had a tough off season, right.
Speaker 4: Jacob Trueba now a San Jose Shark.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like they didn't want him either, right,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think they wanted him, just not at the price
Speaker 4: point he was able to get on the open market, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, technically he went from a cap casualty from
Speaker 4: the New York Rangers to the Ducks to being paid
Speaker 4: more on a per year basis with the Sharks.
Speaker 3: So you know, you give and take a little bit.
Speaker 4: There and and you look at the rest of their offseason,
Speaker 4: right like the Leo Carlson offer sheet, and then they
Speaker 4: match it. Now you likely have to make a trade
Speaker 4: or two to clear off some space you have to
Speaker 4: fit in. Cutter Gachier, who is Will Smith's one of
Speaker 4: his good friends from Boston College. Like they're little, they're
Speaker 4: a little strangled, right, they're looking for answers right now
Speaker 4: after a team that is expected to start to contend,
Speaker 4: right they made the second round of the playoffs this
Speaker 4: past year, and he would think after that first year,
Speaker 4: getting back and you're like, all right, it's win championship
Speaker 4: window open time, and I.
Speaker 3: Feel like it. It didn't shut all the way for
Speaker 3: the Ducks, but it definitely closed a little bit more
Speaker 3: than I think they were ready for.
Speaker 1: It changed most definitely back to Macklin. We saw what
Speaker 1: he could do last year, but he was essentially fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the Sharks offense. How much do you think
Speaker 1: his ceiling can go up with the guys around him
Speaker 1: being better and just the team being better. Because I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to get ahead of myself, and I think
Speaker 1: it's really weird to be like, oh man, but think about.
Speaker 2: How better he could be.
Speaker 1: He's like, guys, he just set the franchise record for
Speaker 1: points in a season, which was held by Joe Thornton, Like,
Speaker 1: let's all.
Speaker 2: Calm down it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean, you probably saw
Speaker 1: the spin in Chicklets clip yesterday as not talking about
Speaker 1: him being Sidney Crosby two point zero.
Speaker 2: And you know he does all the dirty work.
Speaker 1: He has such a you know, dogged determination out there
Speaker 1: on the ice, Like I don't know, and again it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy and almost unappreciative, but I truly don't know
Speaker 1: if we have seen close to his ceiling.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think we have.
Speaker 4: I mean, you think about the rookie year, like, whoa,
Speaker 4: this guy's a superstar, and then he explodes more than
Speaker 4: anybody's ever expecting.
Speaker 3: In year two, whoa, this guy's even more of a superstar.
Speaker 3: So he did that at nineteen. He's twenty. I mean
Speaker 3: he's still getting stronger.
Speaker 4: I mean, in the press conference, is in my career
Speaker 4: they're yelling at him to get off the ice already, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because they need him to take a break. That's not
Speaker 4: gonna happen. That's just not who Macklin celebrin. He is
Speaker 4: with the team being better around him. I think that
Speaker 4: only brings good things. I think it's going to be
Speaker 4: a wonderful time to be a Santjersey Sharks fan because
Speaker 4: you're gonna get a top five player in the league
Speaker 4: already who is still growing and likely going to become
Speaker 4: a top two to three player in the league in
Speaker 4: could be as soon as next year. It's hard to
Speaker 4: predict what his what his ceiling is going to be.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he actually has one, because every
Speaker 4: year could be different. We see one year Conorc David
Speaker 4: scores sixty goals, the next year he is andresists right
Speaker 4: like who knows? Who knows what's gonna happen, Like he
Speaker 4: could just change the way he plays as much as
Speaker 4: he wants. He can manipulate the game however he wants.
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be interesting to see how the rest
Speaker 4: of the team helps him with his overall offensive numbers.
Speaker 4: But I also think that'll help him push more offensive
Speaker 4: numbers because if the defense is better around him, both
Speaker 4: forwards and defense the actual positions, there's less work for.
Speaker 3: Him to do.
Speaker 4: Meaning if he gets the puck more and he has
Speaker 4: more energy, watch out because he's gonna score more points.
Speaker 3: That's how you win hockey games.
Speaker 1: Well this year with now and we'll get into this
Speaker 1: with more detail in a moment here, but with the
Speaker 1: additions of Marchments, of Truba of Nurse, it feels like
Speaker 1: they'll have more puck possession as well, which was not
Speaker 1: the Shark strong point last year. Like it felt oftentimes
Speaker 1: they were in with one attempt and then quickly going
Speaker 1: back the other direction. If that changes to where they
Speaker 1: can control the pace game a little bit more than
Speaker 1: everything improves, but we'll get to that in the moment.
Speaker 1: I did want to get to the calling graph extension
Speaker 1: because I feel like he like an Igor Turner shop
Speaker 1: for two guys who are just below the radar of
Speaker 1: where Macklin and Will Smith are in this next generation
Speaker 1: of Sharks, but they should probably be higher. We haven't
Speaker 1: seen much of Turni shop, but I think people are
Speaker 1: going to be very pleased by what he turns into.
Speaker 1: But Colin Graft, considering the fact that he was undrafted,
Speaker 1: which for people who don't know, he grew like six
Speaker 1: or seven inches from his draft year size to where
Speaker 1: he is now, and again his defensive instincts, his ability
Speaker 1: on the kill he got over twenty goals last year.
Speaker 1: I think this is a player who the Sharks got
Speaker 1: a really good deal on and I think and I
Speaker 1: hope that he proves that he needs more along the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something where he is underappreciated but appreciated at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 4: Like what he did did the Sharks last year was
Speaker 4: incredible and he scored one populay goal. He had two
Speaker 4: shortthand goals or a need more short end goals.
Speaker 3: They need to power play goals.
Speaker 4: He's not going to get much proper play time, especially
Speaker 4: now with the additions that they brought in so well,
Speaker 4: I'm really interested to see where collingdraft plays to start
Speaker 4: the year and when you when you go from you know,
Speaker 4: playing with maclin and Will to playing with the third
Speaker 4: line or fourth line. Something that Colin actually said in
Speaker 4: his press competition today that that's one of the things
Speaker 4: why he thinks the Sharks really like him is because
Speaker 4: he could play up and down anywhere, and so at
Speaker 4: that price point with what he provides regardless of the offense,
Speaker 4: I think it's a good contract.
Speaker 3: Now that price point does mean he needs to produce.
Speaker 4: Probably around the same just about every year. But you know,
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be really solid piece. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's had that night and that major growth for it
Speaker 4: that he mentioned, and he's just going to be a
Speaker 4: really solid player.
Speaker 3: And he came at a good price point. And I
Speaker 3: love the three year term.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of discourse online at people saying
Speaker 4: why didn't they go longer?
Speaker 3: Why didn't he go longer? I'm sorry, three years? So
Speaker 3: they think it's perfect.
Speaker 4: He's had one full year in the NHL, so he's
Speaker 4: kind of still unproven. Can you do it on a
Speaker 4: consistent basis? At the end of this contract, he's still
Speaker 4: under team control for another year. So if you go
Speaker 4: to four years, you walk them right into unrestricted free agency,
Speaker 4: and that's not ideal. Right, you look at the Macklin contract.
Speaker 4: You buy one year of his unrestricted free agency, so
Speaker 4: three years you get to see where he's at. You
Speaker 4: can give him a chance to get paid again, and
Speaker 4: you can see if he's a consistent player.
Speaker 3: Because if the one thing.
Speaker 4: That confuses me is, you know, people say, well they
Speaker 4: wanted long term, not to diss on tug Wilson in
Speaker 4: the old regime, but the long term contracts is what
Speaker 4: got the Sharks into the rebuild. Eight years for Lastic,
Speaker 4: eight years for couture, eight years for Hurdle, eight years
Speaker 4: for jump like all these things. It's like those don't
Speaker 4: age well. Now these players are much younger. But the
Speaker 4: new way of doing contracts is not a seven eight
Speaker 4: year contract.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, although I'm sure if the Sharks could
Speaker 1: have locked up math them for a decade or something
Speaker 1: like that, done another fifteen year deal like we did
Speaker 1: back in the day, that may have changed things. But
Speaker 1: let me ask you about Will Smith, because he's now
Speaker 1: the one that's out there that people are kind of
Speaker 1: wondering and waiting if that gets finished this summer. Do
Speaker 1: you think the front office wants to finish it before
Speaker 1: the season starts, or they may be wanting him to
Speaker 1: go out there and show a little bit more. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Will has been great, but I also think
Speaker 1: that they probably want him to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more physical in his game and a little bit more aggressive.
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like they want to get
Speaker 1: it done before the season starts and not have it looming.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think both sides are gonna want to get it done.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's any rush to get it
Speaker 4: done right. Will Smith is a very cool cat like
Speaker 4: he Macklin, you know my career talked about how Maclin
Speaker 4: didn't want the contract discussions to become a distraction. I
Speaker 4: think there's gonna be so much going over with the
Speaker 4: Sharks that Will Smith's contract negotiations, if it goes into
Speaker 4: the season.
Speaker 3: Are going to fade to the background.
Speaker 4: They'll pop up every now and again be like, well,
Speaker 4: remember he could be a restricted free But I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to be distraction for Will I don't
Speaker 4: think that's going to be a distraction for the Sharks.
Speaker 3: It's not Macklin's Labrini level concern.
Speaker 4: And I think I think both sides recognize that, you know,
Speaker 4: based off what Mike Greer said and things like that.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think both sides would love to
Speaker 4: get done. I'm interest to see where the term comes in.
Speaker 4: One thing that in talking with other people around the league,
Speaker 4: just you know, chatting about the offseason is you know,
Speaker 4: people say that Will Smith and Mcisallabrini attach the hit
Speaker 4: that makes me immediately think that he'll sign for five years,
Speaker 4: that Will.
Speaker 3: Smith was signed for five years. But in talking with.
Speaker 4: People, it's like, well, maybe they want to sign them
Speaker 4: for six or four stagger them pay them for a
Speaker 4: little bit different so you can spread out the cap.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's a good idea and
Speaker 3: think about that.
Speaker 4: So I think both sides would love to get something
Speaker 4: done before the season starts, just you know, they get
Speaker 4: to where they need to get and they get it done.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 4: If not, I don't see Leo crosson situation where Will
Speaker 4: Smith is saying no, I don't want to talk with
Speaker 4: you during the season.
Speaker 3: I think I think Will Smith still does continue to.
Speaker 4: Talk during the season, and I think if it gets
Speaker 4: to a point where it gets close to the playoffs
Speaker 4: they still have a contract. That's when they say, all right,
Speaker 4: we're going to focus on the playoffs right now. But
Speaker 4: I really think that that the Sharks will.
Speaker 3: Really get this done. If it gets done, I think
Speaker 3: it'll get done close to training camp.
Speaker 1: We look at some of the acquisitions the Sharks have
Speaker 1: made in recent memory, Keith for sure, what Mason Marchman,
Speaker 1: Jacob Truba, Darne Nurse. This is a team that now
Speaker 1: has a lot of grits in their game and toughness
Speaker 1: juxtaposed with the you know, the skill guys of Macklin
Speaker 1: and Will Smith and Igor Turnershoffo. I think g has
Speaker 1: a little bit of both because he's got a big,
Speaker 1: big frame about him. So a what do you think
Speaker 1: that tells us about how the Sharks you're going to present? Also,
Speaker 1: and I want your thoughts of this. Where in the
Speaker 1: lineup does Tyler to fully currently fit? Because that's the
Speaker 1: big question I have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, One, they love their size, except for probably Luca Kenyoni,
Speaker 4: but they love their size and that's been evident since
Speaker 4: my Greer took over. I mean their first draftic was
Speaker 4: Philippe Staid, who we haven't seen excuse me in the
Speaker 4: NHL just yet, but you know that guy was six
Speaker 4: foot three out of the draft. So Mason Marchman six
Speaker 4: to five, Trueba's six 's eight. I think he's actually
Speaker 4: listened like six', three But Darneld nurse is six foot,
Speaker 4: Four Mark Michael keshering six foot. Five like they've got
Speaker 4: all these big, PLAYERS i, Mean marchman's, Big stenberg is still,
Speaker 4: Growing wenberg's. Tall you Know smith And. Macklin so these
Speaker 4: guys are. Puny why would? Puny but they're, strong but
Speaker 4: they're not the same. Height so it's very interesting to
Speaker 4: see what they're going with skill and size and. Ego
Speaker 4: chernershov you mentioned is a big but when it comes
Speaker 4: To tyler To, fully it's kind of weird because he's
Speaker 4: been such a good, soldier which is weird to say
Speaker 4: because he's been on the team for two, years but
Speaker 4: that that decline in production last year kind of maybe
Speaker 4: through a wrench into things in some of my line.
Speaker 4: PROJECTIONS i think it's hard to put him on the fourth,
Speaker 4: line BUT i feel like he's gonna start in the bottom,
Speaker 4: six the third or fourth. LINE i, mean the foot
Speaker 4: speed was a concern last. YEAR i do think he
Speaker 4: was bothered by. Something the majority of the. Year he
Speaker 4: did not look like the Regular tyler To, fully to
Speaker 4: the point of just general age, decline there was something.
Speaker 4: More it felt like it felt like too sharp of a. Decline,
Speaker 4: now could it have been regular, decline, yes and this
Speaker 4: year will be the telling of. It BUT i truly
Speaker 4: the way he, played the way he practiced. It he
Speaker 4: never practiced a ton in your, one you always got to,
Speaker 4: quick but it just seemed like he really wasn't practicing
Speaker 4: a lot at all last, year and the games were
Speaker 4: really physical and tight last, Year SO i think it
Speaker 4: was a lot of high intensity.
Speaker 3: Game SO i think he plays on the third or fourth.
Speaker 4: LINE i think he gets on the second power play,
Speaker 4: unit AND i think he stays there for the majority
Speaker 4: of the year in that second power play. Unit he's
Speaker 4: a soldier, who before we saw maclum become what he is,
Speaker 4: now was likely going to be the captain IF i
Speaker 4: had to. Guess BUT i Think macklin's the captain. Now
Speaker 4: you can't not make him the. Captain, Yeah so it's
Speaker 4: not a guy that you healthy. Scratch it's not a
Speaker 4: guy that you. Trade obviously he's got the trade. Protection
Speaker 4: BUT i think he's a bottom six forward who if
Speaker 4: he gets, hot can play with anywhere up and.
Speaker 2: Down he line him and he's still on the power play,
Speaker 2: right one of the two. Units, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: Think he's on that second unit for.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah which that to me is an interesting look
Speaker 1: from last year because last, year AND i understand, why
Speaker 1: but they just kept the first unit out about a minute,
Speaker 1: thirty minute forty and then the second unit got one.
Speaker 1: Shift AND i, LISTEN i get, it And maclin's hard
Speaker 1: to get off the ice in these. Situations BUT i
Speaker 1: remember how Good washington's first and second power play units
Speaker 1: were during their, prime and to have the ability to
Speaker 1: roll two power play units with that much talent is
Speaker 1: devastating and makes you. SO i, MEAN i know that
Speaker 1: the top unit For edmonton and how good they've been
Speaker 1: in recent, memory BUT i also remember how important it
Speaker 1: is to have two units that can just be.
Speaker 4: Deadly, yeah having two unions that could be, deadly meaning
Speaker 4: if one's not, going you can just start the other.
Speaker 3: One and the way The sharks just set up now
Speaker 3: With Michael.
Speaker 4: Mesa t'aring your Showf Stenburg wenberg so only it's like
Speaker 4: the depth there is. Great now he is who's gonna
Speaker 4: run each? UNIT i think kenyone is gonna start the
Speaker 4: year at the first. Unit The sharks have been looking
Speaker 4: for A pp one quarterback on THE i shouldn't say,
Speaker 4: quarterback HAVE pp one point, man because the quarterback is
Speaker 4: gonna be Mack On celebreni on the point And kenyoni
Speaker 4: has shown.
Speaker 3: The best ability to do.
Speaker 4: It i'd love to see the leash get taken Off
Speaker 4: Sam dickinson to play some, offense both power play and
Speaker 4: five on. Five let him run the second unit by,
Speaker 4: himself put him With Michael misa if he's not on
Speaker 4: the first. Unit Stenburg weenberg turns up whoever you want
Speaker 4: to put him with and let him run five on
Speaker 4: five and power play ON pp two and if you
Speaker 4: need to make a, change you swap the. Two but
Speaker 4: you can't just run the top unit non stop for
Speaker 4: a minut and a, half especially if you Run kenyoni
Speaker 4: And dickinson on the Power play at the.
Speaker 3: Points because both of them need. Time so why not be.
Speaker 4: Able to give the first unit a, minute five, minute ten,
Speaker 4: minute fifteen and the other unit hopefully after a draw
Speaker 4: or easy break, in you get the second unit of
Speaker 4: full forty five seconds to a minute on the power play,
Speaker 4: right like you're. Not it's hard because you are going
Speaker 4: to leave Macln celabrini on the Power play as long as,
Speaker 4: possible and with his aerobic, capacity he could play five
Speaker 4: minutes if he needed, To so it's hard to balance.
Speaker 4: It but sometimes you gotta pull the string and say
Speaker 4: it's not working. Now the other THING i want to
Speaker 4: say in theower, PLAYS i want to see maclan Shoot. Moore,
Speaker 4: yeah like he loves to fake one time or step
Speaker 4: in the, middle like he's got a great one. Timer
Speaker 4: i'd like to see him use it, more AND i
Speaker 4: think we will because it's just another level of his.
Speaker 4: Game so he's gonna find every level that is the
Speaker 4: next level of his game and make it superstar.
Speaker 1: Level do you think that message has been delivered to
Speaker 1: Both maclin And, will, like, hey stop deferring to each.
Speaker 2: Other, Shoot, yes.
Speaker 3: CONSTANTLY i think that is that is constantly the. MESSAGE
Speaker 3: i think they know it. Too but they get eyes,
Speaker 3: wide bushy, tailed and, like, oh this could be so.
Speaker 3: Cool AND i don't think they're thinking in the moment
Speaker 3: this could be.
Speaker 4: COOL i really think the, moment they're, thinking this could
Speaker 4: be a great play for us to score a.
Speaker 3: Goal SO i think they get a little.
Speaker 4: Too they know they have chemistry and they force it
Speaker 4: a little. BIT i look At, Careerca friesov And Matts,
Speaker 4: zugarello who's now A Los angeles. King those guys love
Speaker 4: to pass to.
Speaker 3: Each other a.
Speaker 4: Lot and there was concerns this year that If zucarrello
Speaker 4: resigned With wild would he.
Speaker 3: Being able to produce Without kaprisov on his. Line so
Speaker 3: we've seen both, people Both maclin And will produce not
Speaker 3: in each other's.
Speaker 4: Line it's just the best case scenario when they, are
Speaker 4: SO i definitely think they want to make sure everybody's
Speaker 4: involved and keep things, guessing because you want to be
Speaker 4: predictable to a, sense especially in the power, play but
Speaker 4: you can't become too predictable because then everybody's just gonna
Speaker 4: read the exact player.
Speaker 3: Running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no very well said, again we've Got Max miller
Speaker 1: joining us here on sports phone K. Nbr there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a REACTION i was surprised by
Speaker 1: with fans when The sharks Signed, truba when they signed March,
Speaker 1: met when they traded For Darnell, nurse AND i thought
Speaker 1: it was really funny that the money was the, issue
Speaker 1: and then my career in the press conference was, like,
Speaker 1: yeah we we ran the, Numbers we're gonna be. Okay
Speaker 1: BUT i was a little bit surprised that fans were
Speaker 1: so hesitant about The sharks spending because they have specifically
Speaker 1: not spent for so.
Speaker 2: Long they've been very.
Speaker 4: Patient it was damned if you do damned if you
Speaker 4: don't like, It, like, really are you are you going
Speaker 4: to upgrade the.
Speaker 3: Defense or are you going to? Resign?
Speaker 4: Now, look Mar, ferraro this is a biggest, example AND
Speaker 4: i don't want to diss him or make him feel.
Speaker 3: Slighted he was a great shoulder for a great you. Know,
Speaker 3: so LIKE i, said it's a great soldier for The.
Speaker 4: Sharks Mario ferra got three years at four million a
Speaker 4: pop with The Winnipeg. Jets i'm gonna be, honest there's
Speaker 4: a reason why he only got four, million because the reaction,
Speaker 4: was oh my, god if he was that, cheap why
Speaker 4: didn't we get?
Speaker 3: Him, look, yeah there are. Two there are two schools.
Speaker 4: Of THOUGHT i had with this and WHY i think
Speaker 4: they spent a little more than They not that they
Speaker 4: had to because free agency push his numbers, up but
Speaker 4: more than maybe people were.
Speaker 3: Expecting is. One Maria ferrra was a great.
Speaker 4: Soldier you're trying to change the full on culture. Here
Speaker 4: Mario ferrara is still part of that old guard that
Speaker 4: never made the. Playoffs, now would it have been great
Speaker 4: to make the playoffs with him and probably could have
Speaker 4: with the defense with him, here, Yes but if you're
Speaker 4: doing a complete facelift of culture change that Includes Mario.
Speaker 3: Ferraro on my.
Speaker 4: Mind the other part of it is the ability and
Speaker 4: the thing that you AND i have mentioned, before the
Speaker 4: puck possession and the passing and the. Breakouts that Was
Speaker 4: Mario farrow's biggest. Flaw he couldn't break the puck out.
Speaker 4: Cleanly it was always a, flipout a chip. Out great penalty,
Speaker 4: killer great shop, blocker great leader in the. Room but
Speaker 4: from what The sharks are trying to do from an one,
Speaker 4: perspective they're getting in true A Nurse Kessel ring and
Speaker 4: bringing in you, Know Sam digson and we'll See Luca.
Speaker 4: Kanyone that Wasn't Marian, ferraro that Wasn't Vincent darna was
Speaker 4: the true bad contract to slight overpay in my, Mind,
Speaker 4: yeah but you can live with it because the actual
Speaker 4: dollars go down in two.
Speaker 3: Years you bring In Darnell. Nurse is he nine million dollar? Defenseman?
Speaker 3: No but is he a seven million dollar? Defenseman?
Speaker 4: Probably and you get him out of you get him
Speaker 4: out of a market Like, edmonton which is cupp or
Speaker 4: bust every, year high. Pressure all, this we've seen him
Speaker 4: be able to play a solid. Play is he gonna
Speaker 4: be a number one defense in THE. Nhl, no he
Speaker 4: never has, Been but he's gonna have me and you
Speaker 4: talking to.
Speaker 3: Him.
Speaker 4: Now nothing against, us but we're not as intense as
Speaker 4: The edmonton.
Speaker 3: Media we're.
Speaker 4: Intense for, sure we're, gonna you, know if he does something,
Speaker 4: bad we're gonna grill.
Speaker 3: Him but the market.
Speaker 4: Here In San jose is much more, forgiving is much
Speaker 4: more supportive than What edmonton was at at the end
Speaker 4: of his tenure. There AND i think a fresh start
Speaker 4: In nurse's situation will help.
Speaker 3: Him and that's the guy who you can skate a puck.
Speaker 4: Forward and if you can skate a puck forward and
Speaker 4: pass it to MACLAN celgreni at the red, line he's
Speaker 4: going to have more energy to break in the zone
Speaker 4: rather than have to go in and body check at
Speaker 4: the Time Jacob trubaugh on the, Defense eve end to
Speaker 4: get the puck away to then play. Offense there's gonna
Speaker 4: be more energy and there's gonna be more offensive production
Speaker 4: because the puck is getting past to, them not flipped
Speaker 4: to them to fight.
Speaker 3: For and when you compound, everything that's what.
Speaker 4: The biggest improvement of The sharks team is going to,
Speaker 4: be because they're going to hold the puck. More when
Speaker 4: they hold the puck, more they're dangerous because they have
Speaker 4: such offensive weapons at their four.
Speaker 1: Cores the team defense was not always great in front
Speaker 1: of Either shark's goalie last, Year but how much have
Speaker 1: the additions maybe changed some of the dynamic For Rsov
Speaker 1: askrof to be able to be more like what we
Speaker 1: saw him from in the month Of november when he
Speaker 1: had like a nine to forty six a, percentage when
Speaker 1: he was lights, out when he was every bit of
Speaker 1: the prospect he was touted to be coming From nashville
Speaker 1: or is the rest of the, year you, know sometimes
Speaker 1: they would go under his. Wing that was kind of
Speaker 1: his weak. Spot that was something that was clearly. Identified
Speaker 1: AND i think that The sharks have the ability to
Speaker 1: correct these. Things BUT i think that throughout the year
Speaker 1: it was kind of, Like, okay why Is askroff not
Speaker 1: like he was? Previously and there's a million, reasons BUT
Speaker 1: i just saw like the team, Defense i'm not just
Speaker 1: going after the blue, liners but. Everyone it was just
Speaker 1: like you saw guys not marking, guys not going after.
Speaker 1: Guys sometimes they were screamed like it was there was
Speaker 1: a clear way to score against The.
Speaker 4: Sharks, yeah and, look let's be, honest like there was
Speaker 4: some goals That askrov needed, back but it's.
Speaker 2: True first full year in THE nhl.
Speaker 3: Too that was my next. POINT i think going to last,
Speaker 3: year you played the THIRTEEN nhl games. Total like goalies
Speaker 3: in THE nhl take a long time to.
Speaker 4: Develop askrov is twenty. Three people, LIKE i know he's,
Speaker 4: married but he's only twenty. Three but when you look
Speaker 4: at his, season that month Of november beginning In december
Speaker 4: shows you the peak of What yarisovaskrov can. Be no
Speaker 4: goalies ever going to stay at that peak for sixty.
Speaker 3: Games have made plenty a.
Speaker 4: Year having the team defense in front of him will
Speaker 4: help him not get as many high quality shots.
Speaker 3: Against it may help it keep his confidence.
Speaker 4: Higher AND i also to, think like you mentioned that
Speaker 4: first full year in THE, nhl like this guy's Really
Speaker 4: like the SENSE i, got especially at the start of
Speaker 4: the year before he turned it, on was that he
Speaker 4: was really pushing because he was, LIKE i have to
Speaker 4: prove a. Point you, KNOW i requested a trade to
Speaker 4: get out of there financial. Path here it IS i have.
Speaker 3: To be the number one. Goalie and you get all
Speaker 3: these things in his head at a twenty.
Speaker 4: Three year, old like he could, say you, Know i'm,
Speaker 4: Cool i'm not thinking about. That but he may not
Speaker 4: be thinking about the, moment but his performance. Might he
Speaker 4: looked like he was forcing it a little. Bit he's
Speaker 4: trying to do too much and you won't you Hear.
Speaker 4: Goales you, know quiet in the crease is a very good.
Speaker 4: Thing astrob was not quiet in that crease last, year
Speaker 4: partly because of his, himself BUT i also think a
Speaker 4: lot of it was because the defense was creating chaos
Speaker 4: in front of him that they couldn't. Prevent like the
Speaker 4: way to get The sharks defense out of trouble is
Speaker 4: to get them running. Around you lose organization, defensively you
Speaker 4: play offense running, around no, problem that's the best way
Speaker 4: to play. Offense you just freestyle. Go you get a
Speaker 4: defense with no collective unit or a, plan you're in
Speaker 4: trouble and the goalie has no idea what he's looking
Speaker 4: at in front of. Him so then the brain starts.
Speaker 4: Going you're, Thinking, okay this might. Happen then you start
Speaker 4: thinking two steps. Ahead SO i think another year in
Speaker 4: the league will slow him down and improve defense in
Speaker 4: front of. Him with WHAT i just, mentioned the puck,
Speaker 4: possession he doesn't have to worry. About let's Say Darnald
Speaker 4: nurse gets the puck and he flips out to the
Speaker 4: red line and the defense can't change in the second.
Speaker 3: Period they're already tired because they just flip the puck.
Speaker 3: Out now they're running.
Speaker 4: Around now you can pass the puck, out or you
Speaker 4: get to the red you can. Dump you could dump
Speaker 4: it in for not an icing and change like that'll
Speaker 4: help him more than he can.
Speaker 3: Reset he doesn't have to start, Thinking.
Speaker 4: Okay what DO i do when they come back in
Speaker 4: because there's more possession forward and the overall ability of
Speaker 4: defense in front of him is, improved like. Significantly truba
Speaker 4: is a, Defender nurses a good, defender Keester ring's a,
Speaker 4: defender Or love we've seen can. Defend and another Year
Speaker 4: Sam dickinson, right, like the defense in front of, him
Speaker 4: the ability to get the puck away from the opposing
Speaker 4: team is significantly higher than where it.
Speaker 3: Was that and all of that.
Speaker 4: Stuff will help him And Auxton, dakovic who had some
Speaker 4: moments as.
Speaker 1: Well do we think that the overall design of The
Speaker 1: San Jose sharks will allow them to finally be able
Speaker 1: to compete against teams that pushed them around Like vegas
Speaker 1: In vegas like that was the. Thing it was, Like,
Speaker 1: yeah The sharks have the, skill but they get pushed
Speaker 1: around Against vegas and. Previously washington was one of those
Speaker 1: teams that actually Beat washington last, year but you could
Speaker 1: when they played the big heavy, teams it was definitely a.
Speaker 1: OOH i am very aware of what this team's weakness.
Speaker 4: Is, yeah AND i look AT i look at games Against,
Speaker 4: PHILLY i look at games Against, boston, right they won
Speaker 4: those games.
Speaker 3: In philly And.
Speaker 4: BOSTON i, BELIEVE i believe they won In, philly and
Speaker 4: then they won In boston as. WELL i, mean obviously
Speaker 4: The William ecklin. GOAL i mean that's a big heavy.
Speaker 4: Team boston was built as a big heavy. Team they
Speaker 4: didn't have as much skill up front for The. Sharks
Speaker 4: that skated them and outskilled, them they didn't beat them in.
Speaker 4: Physicality vegas has, speed, skill and physicality and, goaltending and
Speaker 4: when you look at that as a, team The sharks
Speaker 4: could not Get pete with a team that had all
Speaker 4: four phases, physicality, speed, skill. Goaltending hopefully The sharks get
Speaker 4: the goaltending part and matchup match up. There Cassel ring is, big,
Speaker 4: true is, Big nurses, Big marchman's.
Speaker 3: Big Like i've said these names.
Speaker 4: A, ton AND i look at an answer That mikero,
Speaker 4: SAID i asked him at the end of free. Agency
Speaker 4: If Luka canyon to make the, team he said he
Speaker 4: likes his odds, right but they also feel that they've
Speaker 4: insulated him with size around, him and that is a
Speaker 4: big deal because they clearly like the way to play
Speaker 4: defense THE nhl this year is be a tree trunk
Speaker 4: and be able to, skate and The sharks got.
Speaker 3: That troubeau of that.
Speaker 4: Nature is not the best of, skater but he's very
Speaker 4: physical and we've seen his physicality The trouper train and
Speaker 4: although the foot speed isn't, great he can move the,
Speaker 4: pack he can shoot a, pack he can be, physical
Speaker 4: he gets in the, way he rarely.
Speaker 3: Pulls himself out of.
Speaker 4: Position my only concern is if the footspeed gets him
Speaker 4: into total.
Speaker 3: Trouble but if you put him with a guy Like Sam,
Speaker 3: dickinson you put him with a guy.
Speaker 4: Like luka canone who can skate and make up for,
Speaker 4: IT i think it'll be in good. Shape you Get
Speaker 4: nurse And Castle ring Or nurse and or lov right,
Speaker 4: like you've got size and veteran and the ability to
Speaker 4: have quality defense and size to protect drives to the,
Speaker 4: net which was very easy against The sharks last year
Speaker 4: and good things will.
Speaker 3: Happen and it all goes back.
Speaker 4: To if you prevent you, know think of a home
Speaker 4: plate from the top of the crease to the hash
Speaker 4: marks and in the center of the ice in front
Speaker 4: of The shark's. Net that's called you, know that's called
Speaker 4: the house in, hockey, right draw it exactly like a home.
Speaker 3: Plate The sharks gave up a lot of chances from that.
Speaker 4: Area having this size and having the skill will not
Speaker 4: only prevent players from not just getting, in but they
Speaker 4: can get the pot from them as they don't get
Speaker 4: in and move it up the. Ice and those two
Speaker 4: things as a whole defensively.
Speaker 3: Are going to be great things for The.
Speaker 1: Sharks by the, way that reminds ME i got to
Speaker 1: text you to get your takes on the decline of one.
Speaker 1: VOLPEY i do want one final one with, you, though
Speaker 1: and that Is. Stenberg what do you think of all
Speaker 1: the talk, that, oh HE'S nhl right, now HE'S nhl,
Speaker 1: Ready he's read, LIKE i understand, That BUT i also
Speaker 1: know that other than maclan Celebrinian Will, smith the two
Speaker 1: other high profile rookies The sharks have, had you, know
Speaker 1: Even Will smith's saw sometime taken away and we don't
Speaker 1: know If macklin's maybe narrative was changed because he missed
Speaker 1: twelve games after game number one in his rookie. Season
Speaker 1: we know that for a variety of, Reasons dickinson To
Speaker 1: misa were not in every game last.
Speaker 2: Year what do you expect to happen with A?
Speaker 4: Stenberg, YEAH i you, Know, LOOK i think he's A hl, Ready,
Speaker 4: LIKE i think that's, it That's.
Speaker 3: Manton, NO i do think he's in. It you're. Ready
Speaker 3: he's played against men In. Sweden but the part THAT i,
Speaker 3: THINK i don't know.
Speaker 4: If it's gotten out of, hand but the part THAT
Speaker 4: i tell people's temper, expectations, Right, yeah when McDavid came
Speaker 4: into the, league When matthews came in the, league it's
Speaker 4: that's what a rookie looks.
Speaker 3: Like, no those guys are special. Cases, yeah those guys
Speaker 3: are special. Cases Will smith didn't look like. That Michael
Speaker 3: lisa didn't look like. That Sam dickinson didn't look like.
Speaker 4: That Eagle cherishov looked like that for a little, bit
Speaker 4: but then he tapered.
Speaker 3: Off. Right So STENBERG i think will start as a
Speaker 3: third line.
Speaker 4: WINGER i think he's A i think like we Love
Speaker 4: william ecklind one suite in for another suite.
Speaker 3: OUT i Think.
Speaker 4: ECKLUND i Think senberg takes excellent stall right next To Alex,
Speaker 4: wenberg AND i think he plays on his wing. Too
Speaker 4: wenburg has found such a beautiful home. Here and If
Speaker 4: Michael misa takes the second line center Spot, Wenburg stenberg
Speaker 4: and Maybe marchmint or To foley or whoever you want
Speaker 4: as a third line, winger how about That you put March,
Speaker 4: Mint wenberg And stenberg. Together you got two veterans who
Speaker 4: ARE nhl, tested battle, ready have been far in the.
Speaker 4: Playoffs big bodies, too who can protect their young. Guy
Speaker 4: you get a guy Like marchmant there who isn't known
Speaker 4: for his physicality or fighting and things like, that but he's.
Speaker 3: Got an edge to his. Game he'll stand up for
Speaker 3: his teammate and it's just his.
Speaker 4: Fit let him grow into the league, slowly put him
Speaker 4: on the line where you maybe get the easier. Matchups
Speaker 4: and it's nice because When macklin came, in he's your
Speaker 4: first second line.
Speaker 3: Center he's getting those top matchups every.
Speaker 4: Time now he's taking the top matchups away from guys
Speaker 4: Like Michael misa he's taking the top matchups away From
Speaker 4: Ivar stenberg And Alex. Wenberg those guys are going to
Speaker 4: get better. Matchups they're going to have easier. Matchups they're
Speaker 4: still gonna be, hard but if you Let stenberg grow
Speaker 4: in and gain confidence quickly instead of throwing him right
Speaker 4: into the fire because you're so insulated with top heavy,
Speaker 4: talent he's DEFINITELY nhl, ready more than Probably Maclin celebrini
Speaker 4: because his matchups are going to be. Easier he's going
Speaker 4: to be better slotted for development in THE, nhl and
Speaker 4: THE nhl is not a development. League but when you Have,
Speaker 4: Macklin celebrini And Michael misa hopefully in that second line,
Speaker 4: spot even if he's, Not Michael moosa on the third
Speaker 4: line with, him easier matchups Because maclin And will are
Speaker 4: going to take so much, attention the ability to Place
Speaker 4: stenburg lowering in the line up at least to start
Speaker 4: the year is going to do wonders for him because
Speaker 4: THEN i think eventually he jumps up AND i think
Speaker 4: he plays With Mackland, celebrini and we'll see if and
Speaker 4: when then.
Speaker 3: Happens it may not even be this entire.
Speaker 4: Year but slowly bringing him, in but letting him experience
Speaker 4: THE nhl IS i think the right way to do,
Speaker 4: it because the only thing that he really needs to
Speaker 4: adjust is the size of the. Rank sweden's rink is
Speaker 4: a lot, bigger but he said in development camp he
Speaker 4: likes the smaller, rink and Most swedes do because their
Speaker 4: skill is already so tightly. Compact they get around quicker
Speaker 4: because the defense is on them. Quicker they don't have
Speaker 4: to take three extra strides to get by them from the.
Speaker 4: Board SO i think he's an h, already AND i
Speaker 4: think they're gonna bring him in a.
Speaker 3: Nice cozy little spot of success on the third line
Speaker 3: or second line to start the.
Speaker 2: Year Max Miller Sharks Hockey. Digest thank you so. Much.
Speaker 1: MAX i appreciate your. Time you've been very generous with.
Speaker 1: IT i know you've got stuff to do with the,
Speaker 1: fiance So i'll let you get to, that, man BUT
Speaker 1: i appreciate your.
Speaker 3: Time we'll talk, Soon, Okay, Yes, ted thanks for having.
Speaker 3: ME i appreciate. It