WEBVTT - Giants Trade Deadline Analysis: Andrew Baggarly on Prospects, Pitching and the Future

0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Now back to murphin markets on the Sports Leader, streaming

0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:10.080
<v Speaker 1>live on vsports Leader dot com at knbr V sports

0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Leader app. All right, man, let's do it.

0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's roll up our sleeves and get into it with

0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Andy Bagley of the Athletic. He's sponsored by Marine Health,

0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.360
<v Speaker 2>with top physicians, surgeons and clinicians right here in the

0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.680
<v Speaker 2>North Bay. Marine Health puts you closer to your best health,

0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.200
<v Speaker 2>world class care, closer than you think.

0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Andy.

0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I read your comprehensive recap of the trade deadline day

0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>in the Athletic outstanding as zolways. As we say good morning.

0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Now as we wake up the next morning.

0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:33.680
<v Speaker 1>You sleep on it.

0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You wake up, the dust is settling. And somebody who

0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.880
<v Speaker 2>was on vacation and didn't have Wi Fi just came

0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.680
<v Speaker 2>back and said, Hey, Andy, what did the giants do

0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.720
<v Speaker 2>on the trade deadline? What was their message? What's your

0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.960
<v Speaker 2>answer to that? What was the overarching theme?

0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you missed the whole trade dead And then we'll

0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.600
<v Speaker 3>sit down. This is going to take a while. Yeah,

0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.280
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I gotta say, It probably took me

0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.120
<v Speaker 3>longer to hyperlink to all of our stories then it did.

0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Actually write the piece summarizing everything because I mean, we

0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.560
<v Speaker 3>were all over it. It was really amazing to see

0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.480
<v Speaker 3>everybody in action. If you were behind the scenes and

0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.480
<v Speaker 3>could like look at all the slack messages going back

0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and forth and stuff. We had so many editors and

0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.480
<v Speaker 3>so many writers, and we had so many things pre

0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.679
<v Speaker 3>written that we're ready to go. And I mean every

0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.479
<v Speaker 3>single trade had a story about the trade, a story

0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.960
<v Speaker 3>about you know, trade grades, and then a lot of

0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.000
<v Speaker 3>analysis and there was just so much on our site

0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.480
<v Speaker 3>yesterday was really really amazing. So I just wanted to

0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.040
<v Speaker 3>give a shout out to all of our editors and

0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.840
<v Speaker 3>starting with Mark Coraig our MLB editor, and and and

0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.600
<v Speaker 3>and obviously all the writers for really pitching in because

0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:41.080
<v Speaker 3>it was a big, big day for for all of

0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:41.760
<v Speaker 3>us in our business.

0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And the theme was for the giants.

0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, right, the thing, Yeah, the actual content, the

0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.520
<v Speaker 3>actual method, you know what I mean. I think the

0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.320
<v Speaker 3>message was, you know, hey, look, we're not satisfied with

0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.480
<v Speaker 3>the way things have gone. We know things have to change,

0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.720
<v Speaker 3>and that means not only trading the impending free agents,

0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.360
<v Speaker 3>but you know, taking advantage of guys whom might have

0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.200
<v Speaker 3>a hot market to move them to get some pieces

0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.800
<v Speaker 3>that might help to reset the team a little bit.

0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.680
<v Speaker 3>But you know it's not a rebuild. And you might say, well,

0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.919
<v Speaker 3>how do you trade six guys off your major league

0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.760
<v Speaker 3>roster and add zero? I mean the Giants played a

0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.800
<v Speaker 3>man down yesterday in Texas. I mean they took an

0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.800
<v Speaker 3>all star second basement off the roster. They Zika, a

0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.880
<v Speaker 3>former All star left fielder, off their roster, the only

0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.600
<v Speaker 3>two guys in the bullpen to throw hard, two fifths

0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.760
<v Speaker 3>of their starting rotation. And you think, well, this is

0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.840
<v Speaker 3>a team that's having a fire sale. But it's not

0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.720
<v Speaker 3>a fire sale if Logan Web is still standing in

0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.840
<v Speaker 3>the room, Because if it had been a rebuild, then

0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.920
<v Speaker 3>Logan Web would be traded, and quite honestly, he would

0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.839
<v Speaker 3>have gotten more than what the Tigers got for Terrek

0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Schouble because he comes with two additional years of club control,

0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.400
<v Speaker 3>so he would have been the big difference maker traded

0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.200
<v Speaker 3>at the trade deadline if the Giants had put him

0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.800
<v Speaker 3>out there. They didn't. They would have taken absolute pennies

0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.600
<v Speaker 3>on the dollar for anybody who could give them a

0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.080
<v Speaker 3>shred of cost savings on a Damis chapman En Devs.

0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.480
<v Speaker 3>They didn't do that, So this is not a team

0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.840
<v Speaker 3>that's rebuilding. But they are a team that is definitely

0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.800
<v Speaker 3>retooling in a big way with an eye toward getting younger,

0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.720
<v Speaker 3>boosting that farm system, trying to create a wave of

0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.520
<v Speaker 3>talent that can really come up and make a difference. Now,

0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.560
<v Speaker 3>does that really really make it appreciably likely that they're

0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.480
<v Speaker 3>going to be a really good team next year? Probably not.

0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.360
<v Speaker 3>So maybe you could quibble with whether it's a rebual

0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.240
<v Speaker 3>or not. But if you're looking for the Giants to

0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.840
<v Speaker 3>use the tradeline to make themselves a ninety win team

0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.400
<v Speaker 3>next season, it probably wasn't the trade deadline for you.

0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.840
<v Speaker 3>But you know, if you really just want to see

0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.560
<v Speaker 3>the organization be in a healthier place, then I think

0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.120
<v Speaker 3>that they accomplished that in a lot of ways.

0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Bags This is now back to back seasons that we've

0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.480
<v Speaker 4>seen the Giants be sellers at the trade deadline. Last

0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.920
<v Speaker 4>year they moved three names. This year they've moved six.

0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.000
<v Speaker 4>MURF and I were discussing it earlier this morning. You

0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:51.760
<v Speaker 4>might know better than both of us. Is this the

0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.200
<v Speaker 4>biggest sell off at the trade deadline in Giant's history?

0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess it depends on what you call

0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.960
<v Speaker 3>biggest I mean, have they traded bigger players at the deadline? Gosh,

0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't really think of I can't really think of

0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.920
<v Speaker 3>guys that they've traded that have been just huge blockbusters.

0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, really, the biggest trade that they've made mid

0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.960
<v Speaker 3>seasoned in a long long time was the rock Hield

0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Devers deal And I don't know if you want to

0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.800
<v Speaker 3>call that a trade headline trade or not since it

0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.080
<v Speaker 3>happened in June, but yeah, I don't know. I guess

0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.039
<v Speaker 3>you could probably say it was the biggest sell off,

0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.880
<v Speaker 3>probably the biggest sell off in the twenty whatever years

0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.599
<v Speaker 3>I've covered the team, But again, I don't think that

0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.200
<v Speaker 3>necessarily equits to fire sell.

0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I can't remember volume wise, I can't never

0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.440
<v Speaker 2>remember this many players being traded from the Giants. This

0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.560
<v Speaker 2>to me is number one. But that said, we got

0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the big one. So of all of them,

0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I would argue probably the two most attractive ones for

0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:48.640
<v Speaker 2>the industry would be either the Ramon Marquez from the

0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Phillies going for Luisa Rise. But the one I want

0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to ask you about first is the Marcello Meyer one.

0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Red Sox fans were in their feelings about that they

0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:57.760
<v Speaker 2>had complex feelings about and he was supposed to be

0:04:57.800 --> 0:04:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the darling of the future. You know, whether do you

0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.120
<v Speaker 2>want to compare him to Luciano or Marco Luciano or

0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.240
<v Speaker 2>whoever the Giants had through the years that fans were

0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.359
<v Speaker 2>in love with. But he had not performed in his

0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.719
<v Speaker 2>brief stints as a Red Sox, and he was also

0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.880
<v Speaker 2>injury prone. But there's this potential. You look at Casey

0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Schmid and Elliott Ramos's guys who took a couple of

0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.960
<v Speaker 2>years to get going. So your take on the Marcelo

0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Meyer trade, trading away Eric Miller from Marcello Meyer, how

0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:23.479
<v Speaker 2>do you evaluate that one?

0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I think I would evaluate it pretty

0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.400
<v Speaker 3>similarly to the way that Keith Law evaluated it on

0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.279
<v Speaker 3>our site, which is you understand why the Red Sox

0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.880
<v Speaker 3>did it. I mean, they feel like they have other

0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.840
<v Speaker 3>players coming. Meyer's a guy who has had a lot

0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.080
<v Speaker 3>of injuries, and you know, he was their opening day

0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.279
<v Speaker 3>second basement, but they felt like they didn't have really

0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.680
<v Speaker 3>a place to play him going forward and they needed

0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.880
<v Speaker 3>a lefty reliever now. And this is a guy who's

0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.320
<v Speaker 3>got some control and isn't just a rental. We also

0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.600
<v Speaker 3>know what Eric Miller's warts are because we've seen him

0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.040
<v Speaker 3>pitch and he's got six walks per nine innings. You know,

0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.200
<v Speaker 3>he's always going to be a high walk guy. He

0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.760
<v Speaker 3>has a history of getting hurt, so you know, he

0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.160
<v Speaker 3>stayed healthy this year, but last year he didn't, and

0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.680
<v Speaker 3>then he was available to the Giants from the Phillies

0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.359
<v Speaker 3>because he had that injury history. So you could be selling,

0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, relatively peak value on him if you know

0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.600
<v Speaker 3>he can't stay healthy from this point forward. And of

0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.080
<v Speaker 3>course you wish him the best and you hope he

0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.120
<v Speaker 3>has success and health, but he's still a reliever, and

0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.000
<v Speaker 3>a reliever can only make so much impact. And this

0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.120
<v Speaker 3>is a guy who's an everyday position player who was

0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.080
<v Speaker 3>one of the top twenty prospects in the game basically

0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.920
<v Speaker 3>a year ago. So he's still twenty three. Kind of cool.

0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120
<v Speaker 3>He went to the same high school as Casey Schmid,

0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.680
<v Speaker 3>so you know, shout out to La Vista. Maybe there's

0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.960
<v Speaker 3>gonna be some Giants fans there now. But you know,

0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.480
<v Speaker 3>he's a guy who, if he does get back on track,

0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.720
<v Speaker 3>he's you know, a four or five war player. He's

0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.440
<v Speaker 3>a difference maker, and just for a ten percent chance

0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.359
<v Speaker 3>of getting that kind of player, It was worth the

0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Giants doing this deal.

0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Bags. The trade that stood out to me was Elliott

0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.640
<v Speaker 4>Rama's being shipped out to the New York Yankees. What

0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.919
<v Speaker 4>were your thoughts on the Giants treating away that controllable

0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.120
<v Speaker 4>contract and overall the return package they got for Ramos.

0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was It was a tough deal to trade Ramos,

0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.480
<v Speaker 3>but you just kind of had a feeling they would

0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.640
<v Speaker 3>because there were so many teams that needed a right

0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.200
<v Speaker 3>handed hitting outfielder. And I think the Giants looked at

0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.280
<v Speaker 3>a couple of things. One, you know, Ramos does have

0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.800
<v Speaker 3>some limitations defensively. He's worked hard to get better this year,

0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.120
<v Speaker 3>but we know it was a disaster last year, and

0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.880
<v Speaker 3>they don't have a DH spot for the foreseeable future,

0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.360
<v Speaker 3>certainly for the rest of this decade. If Devers and

0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Eldridge are on the roster, so and you have other

0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.960
<v Speaker 3>players coming up, You've got, you know, Victor Barracotto. They

0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.480
<v Speaker 3>really like what they've seen from him, and I don't

0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.080
<v Speaker 3>know if he's going to be an everyday big leaguer,

0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.440
<v Speaker 3>but you know, you could maybe kind of close your

0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.040
<v Speaker 3>eyes halfway and envision him doing what Ramos is doing.

0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, they've got Dakota Jordan, they've got Bo Davidson,

0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.520
<v Speaker 3>they've got Parks Harbor, they've got other players coming up,

0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.200
<v Speaker 3>and so they felt like maybe they could cover that

0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.440
<v Speaker 3>loss of Ramos and try to balance out the system

0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.480
<v Speaker 3>because we know it's position player heavy, So if they

0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.280
<v Speaker 3>were going to trade Ramos, it was only going to

0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.720
<v Speaker 3>be if they got, you know, a really good pitcher

0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:14.520
<v Speaker 3>back and l Lane from the from the from the

0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.320
<v Speaker 3>Yankee system is an interesting guy. Six foot seven. He's

0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.800
<v Speaker 3>from the Bronx, but he was actually an international signee

0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.480
<v Speaker 3>from the Dominican Republic. And you know, he's a guy

0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.960
<v Speaker 3>who wasn't protected from the Rule five draft a year ago.

0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.160
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't major league ready obviously, so nobody took him.

0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.200
<v Speaker 3>But that's where he's gotten to as a prospect. I mean,

0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.640
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't making progress in the in the in the

0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Yankee system, and and all of a sudden boom, now

0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.280
<v Speaker 3>he's throwing ninety seven ninety eight with some really good secondaries.

0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.480
<v Speaker 3>So the Giants have a guy that they that they

0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.760
<v Speaker 3>can develop and hope can turn into something. And they

0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.280
<v Speaker 3>just need as many of those guys as they can

0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.440
<v Speaker 3>I think he was the number five ranked Yankees prospect.

0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.960
<v Speaker 3>So and then of course kayden Ken is a guy

0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.440
<v Speaker 3>that the Giants, you know, as Buster Posey told us yesterday,

0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.319
<v Speaker 3>they wanted to they wanted to take with their fort

0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.160
<v Speaker 3>round pick last year, and the Yankee scooped him up

0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.840
<v Speaker 3>thirteen picks ahead of where they were going to go.

0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.760
<v Speaker 3>So is that one a little bit of a you know,

0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of a narrative, you know, play a little bit

0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.760
<v Speaker 3>of a popular deal to get Kent's kid in in

0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.600
<v Speaker 3>the fold? And you know, Tents had joked that he

0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.440
<v Speaker 3>can't be all the way in as a Giant because

0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:21.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, he still has to be a little bit

0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.760
<v Speaker 3>of a Yankee fan. Well, now that's out of the way,

0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.080
<v Speaker 3>and we know that they have Peyton bonds in the system.

0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.680
<v Speaker 3>So the whole thing of Tenton bonds, you know, is

0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.840
<v Speaker 3>there some of it that might be a little beyond

0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, the nuts and bolts baseball? Yeah, you know,

0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.160
<v Speaker 3>they say no, but I got to believe maybe there's

0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.880
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a lure there. So yeah, it's

0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.839
<v Speaker 3>a fun thing to dream on. Fun stuff.

0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Andy Bagley.

0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.120
<v Speaker 2>By the way, we had Jeff Ken on last week

0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and he had great audio. I know you'll probably talk

0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to him, but he goes, he goes. He was talking

0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.320
<v Speaker 2>about Cayden. He's man, Yeah, I told him he's two forty.

0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to kill him. So he said he's got

0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.439
<v Speaker 2>wants him to hit for a high average and move

0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.280
<v Speaker 2>the ball around. He had a really good breakdown of him.

0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.240
<v Speaker 2>You can of course find those at cambr dot com. Hey.

0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.640
<v Speaker 2>A couple other things to get to is it was

0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.880
<v Speaker 2>interesting that Buster went out of his way. None of

0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.480
<v Speaker 2>you asked him, and he just said, I would like

0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to flag and highlight Ramon Marquez of the Philadelphia Phillies.

0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was interesting that he said that, and

0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.200
<v Speaker 2>was that the one on the Arise trade that the

0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:21.080
<v Speaker 2>industry sort of gave the Giants a golf clap on Huh.

0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I think that they were determined. However, the

0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.400
<v Speaker 3>chips fell, and whoever was interested in the various players

0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.320
<v Speaker 3>they wanted to feel like they came out of this

0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.400
<v Speaker 3>trade deadline with one really really highly ranked pitching prospects

0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.920
<v Speaker 3>wherever it came from, and Marquez was one of those

0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.480
<v Speaker 3>guys on their list that they thought might be available

0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.920
<v Speaker 3>but weren't sure. And for the Phillies. He was the

0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.120
<v Speaker 3>one guy that they thought, Okay, a lot of teams

0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.400
<v Speaker 3>are asking on him, He's probably going to be the

0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.320
<v Speaker 3>one big chip that we use to get, you know,

0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.679
<v Speaker 3>an offensive player who can really help our situation. And

0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.080
<v Speaker 3>the Giants were the team that had the match, so

0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I think they feel fortunate that, you know, they did

0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.520
<v Speaker 3>find this match, they got the picture that they wanted

0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.079
<v Speaker 3>because this is a guy, you know, he's still I

0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.280
<v Speaker 3>think he's just twenty, and really a neat story. Are

0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Charlotte Barnes who interned with the Chronicle actually recently and

0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.640
<v Speaker 3>now she's covering the Phillies for us along with Matt

0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.559
<v Speaker 3>gel who does they built do a tremendous job. They

0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.720
<v Speaker 3>they saw this coming. It was so obvious that he

0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.400
<v Speaker 3>was going to be traded that they wrote a feature

0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.880
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days ago on him just to tell

0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.120
<v Speaker 3>his backstory. And he was signed for you know, ten

0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.640
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars when they found him at you know, a

0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.640
<v Speaker 3>tryout in in Merit of Mexico. So yeah, a really

0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.680
<v Speaker 3>neat story, and he obviously turned himself very very quickly

0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.760
<v Speaker 3>into somebody who opened eyes and became really their second

0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.120
<v Speaker 3>best pitching prospect in their system, and you know, you

0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.160
<v Speaker 3>get a guy with a really really plus change up.

0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.600
<v Speaker 3>He can make, you know, lower minor league hitters look

0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.400
<v Speaker 3>really silly. And that's exactly what's happening bags.

0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.240
<v Speaker 4>Going back from the Patrick Bailey trade to the draft

0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.960
<v Speaker 4>a couple of weeks ago to yesterday's trade deadline, how

0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.800
<v Speaker 4>much better is the Giants overall farm system than it

0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:00.800
<v Speaker 4>was to start the season.

0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh. I think you also layer in performance. You know,

0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.600
<v Speaker 3>whether it's Dakota Jordan or Gavin Keelan, the way the

0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.679
<v Speaker 3>two kids josu Ar and Luis Gonzalez and Hernandez are

0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.960
<v Speaker 3>starting out in the Complex League and now at San Jose,

0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.840
<v Speaker 3>the way just the teams have played in one I

0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.600
<v Speaker 3>know it's not exactly the number one metric you look at,

0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.000
<v Speaker 3>but you know the fact that the teams are playing well,

0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.040
<v Speaker 3>they're playing good baseball, they're complementing each other, well, those

0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.720
<v Speaker 3>are habits that the Giants want to ingrain and it's happening.

0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I think all those things are positives. And you know,

0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.440
<v Speaker 3>it's been a really really bleak year and I think

0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.480
<v Speaker 3>the only thing that kind of you know, maybe is

0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.880
<v Speaker 3>the jewel in the crown is is there has been

0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of progress in the farm system, and this

0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.559
<v Speaker 3>trade deadline, you know, only puts a little more air

0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.120
<v Speaker 3>in the balloons. So where they're going to rank at

0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.400
<v Speaker 3>the end of the year. And to be clear, you know,

0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.240
<v Speaker 3>prospect rankings, farm system rankings, they don't matter. They're only concepts, right,

0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are any flags that fly forever based

0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.040
<v Speaker 3>on where your system ranks, but it is a good

0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.600
<v Speaker 3>barometer of just the health where you are. And I

0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.520
<v Speaker 3>think that the Giants are very, very easily going to

0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.679
<v Speaker 3>be a top ten system and some people think need

0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.760
<v Speaker 3>to even top five from the year Summer four.

0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's go Andy just a bit on this year's team,

0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.160
<v Speaker 2>and you wrote a pretty really solid piece on Sunday

0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.480
<v Speaker 2>just calling out the Giants handling of their pitching this year,

0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.920
<v Speaker 2>from Tony Vitello to Frank Anderson to justin message to

0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Christian Wonders Marks. I even highlighted a few of Andy's

0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:37.400
<v Speaker 2>key phrases strategic shortcomings, misuse of resources, odd usage decisions,

0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.000
<v Speaker 2>have not looked to exploit matchups. Those are just a

0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.440
<v Speaker 2>few phrases that you used you felt the need to

0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.800
<v Speaker 2>write out that you just called it out. Andy, I'll

0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.120
<v Speaker 2>give you credit, You called him out, you backed it

0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.840
<v Speaker 2>up with a lot of evidence of any number of

0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.280
<v Speaker 2>odd bad decisions they've used in handling their pitching this year.

0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you got any feedback or how

0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.240
<v Speaker 2>you feel about, you know, when you wrote the piece

0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.319
<v Speaker 2>and what you would say the Giants fans about, you know,

0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.280
<v Speaker 2>how they fix that? Is it about cleanon house? Does

0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.400
<v Speaker 2>this pitching coach staff not last the rest of the year,

0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Does Tony v have to get a lot better fast?

0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.480
<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the takeaway from it?

0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I think I think everything has to be on the

0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.400
<v Speaker 3>tables because you know, they've just they've just really been

0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.680
<v Speaker 3>inefficient with how they've used their pitching this year. And

0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.360
<v Speaker 3>now you know, they're about to wade into two months

0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.400
<v Speaker 3>with you know, really a shred of a rotation and

0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.440
<v Speaker 3>they're going to have to really mix it up. And

0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.720
<v Speaker 3>I think they're recognizing that, and you're going to start

0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 3>seeing that Blade said, well, starting tonight they are looking

0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.800
<v Speaker 3>at using an opener for Adrian Hauser, which they should

0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.440
<v Speaker 3>have been doing earlier this year. But you know, I

0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.360
<v Speaker 3>think for me, it's just the little things at UH

0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.160
<v Speaker 3>and you start wondering, are they do they really you

0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.920
<v Speaker 3>know what's going on here, what's happening in the think tank,

0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.360
<v Speaker 3>because you know, there's there's no reason Keaton Winn should

0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.120
<v Speaker 3>be pitching the ninth inning of a sixteen to three

0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.240
<v Speaker 3>game when he pitched the night before, especially when you

0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.960
<v Speaker 3>don't have a day off the next day, and when

0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.920
<v Speaker 3>and he's already been on the il for in playing

0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Belbo because you used them three times in a row

0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.480
<v Speaker 3>earlier this year. Which might have been the worst decision

0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.600
<v Speaker 3>that you know, that group has made all year was

0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.800
<v Speaker 3>taking out Logan Web, putting in you know, a gas

0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.480
<v Speaker 3>heat and win and letting his elbow blow up while

0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.760
<v Speaker 3>you lose a game. So yeah, you know what, It's just,

0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.320
<v Speaker 3>I think we were so conditioned to see the Giant's

0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.680
<v Speaker 3>mind for every little advantage and and really do a

0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of pitching chaos to the point where you know,

0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.120
<v Speaker 3>it kind of ticked off fans under far hansiety and

0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.200
<v Speaker 3>and uh and gave Kapler and and they weren't They

0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.760
<v Speaker 3>were so unconventional. You wanted to know who the starting

0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.720
<v Speaker 3>pitcher was going to be the next day. And I

0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.960
<v Speaker 3>think the Giants have over corrected themselves, just straight into

0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.800
<v Speaker 3>a ditch. I mean, that's I think that's the phrase

0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.200
<v Speaker 3>I used, and they got it. They got to examine

0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.960
<v Speaker 3>that and whether that means changing personnel, whether that means

0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.400
<v Speaker 3>changing the way that they do things, you know, you know,

0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.440
<v Speaker 3>and however far up that goes. I mean, they have

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to pay attention to this because you know, we know

0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.680
<v Speaker 3>the I think the way I phrased it was the

0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.640
<v Speaker 3>who is a big question and who's going to be

0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.320
<v Speaker 3>in the rotation the rest of the way, Who's going

0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.920
<v Speaker 3>to be in the rotation next year? You know, who's

0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.600
<v Speaker 3>who's going to be the candidates in camp next year.

0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:12.080
<v Speaker 3>But that if the how doesn't change, then you're only

0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:13.120
<v Speaker 3>going to get so much better.

0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I think you said it perfectly and I think you're

0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.880
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent right on everything. So they're going to

0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.960
<v Speaker 2>take a hard look at that at the end of

0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the season and maybe make some changes. So all right, Andy,

0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot covered and a lot more. Will do it

0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.120
<v Speaker 2>again next week and keep reading in the Athletic. Thank you,

0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:27.920
<v Speaker 2>thanks bgs.

0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks guys, take care.

0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Of Yeah, Andy, Baggley Man so much covered there. Listen,

0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.000
<v Speaker 2>we can get back to it. We got cooler content

0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.040
<v Speaker 2>than a little check in on the football. Mike Sander

0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.120
<v Speaker 2>did his quarterback tiers, and then of course more reaction

0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.240
<v Speaker 2>to the trade deadline and Tim Flannery at nine thirty.

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.120
<v Speaker 2>So great Tuesday on the Sports Leader