1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Well, good morning and welcome. We are continuing to talk 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: about erosion and what that looks like in our lives 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: and how easy it is for us to allow little 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: things to invade and get us off track and wear 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: away at our resolve. And by the way, happy Palm Sunday, 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: as we think about the opening of Passion Week and 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: coming down to the end of this linten season and 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: getting ready for the Easter celebration, and I pray that 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: this week, as you enter into this Holy Week, you'll 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: take some time to reflect and think about what the 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: week's all about, what it means, this sacrifice of Christ 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: to cover all of our sins and mistakes, and the 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: celebration that goes with that, the journey this week from 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: the triumph and entry. Today we celebrate down through Holy 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: Week Monday, Thursday, Good Friday, the Silence of Saturday, and 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: then the celebration of Resurrection Sunday. So pray that it's 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: a powerful week for you. And we're thinking today about 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: what it means when hearing isn't enough, And so listen 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: to what James says again. We're taking this from the 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: Book of James, James, a leader of the New Testament, 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Church in Jerusalem, the primary leader of the Jerusalem Council 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: and the half brother of Jesus, historically regarded as the 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: half brother of Jesus. And so here is what he 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: writes mid chapter in the first chapter here verse nineteen. 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this. Everyone 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: to become angry, because human anger does not produce the 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: righteousness that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: filth and the evil that's so prevalent, and humbly accept 30 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the word planted in you, which can save you. Do 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves. 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: and does not do what it says is like someone 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: who looks at his face in a mirror, and, after 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: looks like. But whoever looks intently into the perfect law 37 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: that gives freedom and continues in it, not forgetting what 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: they've heard, but doing it, they'll be blessed in what 39 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: they do. Those who consider themselves religious and yet do 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: and their religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father 42 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: accepts as pure and thoughtless as this, to look after 43 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: orphans and widows and their distress, and to keep oneself 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: from being polluted by the world. So that's a lot. 45 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: That's a lot to say, it's a lot to read, 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: it's a lot to think about. A few years ago 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: I was invited to read James Clear's book Atomic Habits. 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: Maybe you've read it, and basically it's a simple concept. 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 1: It says to pay attention to the tiny atomic details 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: of your life and of your habits, and you'll find 51 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: that your goals can be reached. That the little things 52 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: we do every day make a huge difference over time. 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: Clear also hosts a website that's dedicated to those same 54 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: ideas of atomic Habits. Recently, on his website, he posted 55 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: an article entitled Vince Lombardi on the Hidden power of 56 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: mastering the Fundamentals. Here's what he writes. In July of 57 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, thirty eight members of the Green Bay 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: Packers gathered for the first day of training camp. Just 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: a few months earlier, they had lost the NFL championship 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles. They had led for three quarters. 61 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: In the fourth quarter, they let the game get away 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: from them and lost in the fourth quarter. And so 63 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Lombardi came to training camp in the July of nineteen 64 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: sixty one with a different idea. David Marinus wrote a 65 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: best selling book called When Pride Still Matters, A Life 66 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: of Vince Lombardi, and he tells what happened. Lombardi decided 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: to take nothing for granted. He tore apart the playbook. 68 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: He fashioned training camp around fundamentals, and when the players arrived, 69 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: thirty eight players who had been minutes from achieving the 70 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: highest goal in professional football, he held a football in 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: front of them and famously said, gentlemen, this is a football, 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: And that sort of set off what defined that season 73 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: and really the rest of his coaching career. He went 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: back to the basics. He taught them how to tackle, 75 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: he taught them how to block. He started on page 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: one of the playbook. At one point, the All Pro 77 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver Max McGee said to the coach, Hey, coach, 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: could you slow down? Kind of one of the antidotes 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: from the time. At the end of the season, the 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: final game the Green Bay Packers beat the New York 81 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Giants thirty seven to nothing to win the NFL championship. 82 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: Lombardi would not lose again in the playoffs in his career, 83 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: and in his time his teams would win five NFL championships. 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: And so people took notice. They took notice of what 85 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: it looked like for a professional team with people who 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: have been around the sport their whole life. To go 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: back to the fundamentals, John Wooden was a master of 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: the fundamentals, obsessed with those things, and it showed in 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: the quality of the programs and the players they produced. 90 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: And so when you think about all of that, what 91 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: does it look like for you and I to focus 92 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: on the fundamentals? And really, James is writing to us 93 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: the secret to getting into the very basics. So to 94 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: give some thought. We talked about this last week a 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: little bit, but think about this. The early church was 96 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: not encumbered the way the modern churches. They were new 97 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: to the process. They operated on heart. There wasn't really 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: a book to follow. They stuck to the basics. And 99 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: Acts Luke tells the story of how the early church 100 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: function with no buildings, none of that. This is what 101 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: he writes in Acts two forty one those who accepted 102 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: this message were baptized. About three thousand were added to 103 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: their number. They devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and 104 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: a fellowship, to the breaking of bread and a prayer. 105 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and 106 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: signs performed by the apostles. All the believers were together, 107 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to 108 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued 109 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: in their homes. They ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 111 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. 112 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: And the Lord. Added to their number daily those who 113 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: were being saved, and so Luke is telling us in 114 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: the Book of Acts, that they learned. They listened, They 115 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: experienced miracles and transformation, and the power of God present. 116 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: They were spontaneously generous. They were deeply compassionate to one another. 117 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: They saw and participated in true transformation. They were committed 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: and celebrated. The people around them loved and cared about them. 119 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: They were joyful, they were loving, They were social, and 120 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: it seems like everyone wanted to be around and daily 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: more and more people were joining them. That's a pretty 122 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: good beginning. And so living out these basics led to 123 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: countless people having their lives transformed. So all of that 124 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: idea makes the Book of James even more interesting. Here's 125 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: the early leader of the church in Jerusalem offering some 126 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: instructions about what it means to be a part of 127 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: the Kingdom of God and a part of the early Church. 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: And so what does he say. What is the nature 129 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: of the letter that he writes? Well, and it's very 130 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: simplest form. It's basically a sermon talking about the basics, 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: about what it means. And if you dig into the 132 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: forensics we touched on this a little bit last week, 133 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: you start to find out that, you know, this letter 134 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: is probably one of the very simplest things that could 135 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: have happened in the early Church. Simplest teaching, most fundamental, 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: most basic, getting back to the start, organic, all those 137 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: words you want to throw of it. And so here's 138 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 1: what he writes, here's the secret of the early Church. 139 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Do the basic things, the atomic things, well, get back 140 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: to the basic and so here's a list. Try to 141 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: think about each one. Don't throw them away too quickly. 142 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: They're all vital. They can make a big difference in 143 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: our spiritual lives, but in our relational lives, and in 144 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: the spiritual life of the church, and the spiritual and 145 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: relational health of our families. So here's a few to 146 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: think about. I've broken them down in a few minutes 147 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: into seven habits, but there could be ten, because one 148 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: has three in a subset. But listen to them carefully. 149 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: Dear brothers and sisters, take note of this. Everyone should 150 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to become angry, 151 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Get rid of all moral filth and the evil that's 153 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: so prevalent, humbly except the word planted in you, which 154 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: can save you. Don't merely listen to the word and 155 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: so deceive yourself. Do what it says. Anyone who listens 156 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: to the word but does not do what it says 157 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror, 158 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: and after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets 159 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: what he looks like. But whoever looks intently into the 160 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: perfect law that gives freedom and continues in it, not 161 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: forgetting what they have heard but doing it, they'll be 162 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: blessed in what they do. Those who consider themselves religious 163 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: and yet do not keep a tight rein on their 164 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: tongues deceive themselves and their religion is worthless. Religion that 165 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: God our Father accepts as pure and faultless as this 166 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: to look after orphans and widows in their distress, and 167 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Those 168 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: are formative words. They're words that give us information, but 169 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: that information forms us as we practice those atomic habits 170 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: into something. We don't just believe we belong to something. 171 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: We're becoming something that's the ethic of the Kingdom of God. 172 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: It's not just about something we do for a prize someday. 173 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: It's about how we are shaped into healthy whole contributing 174 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: human beings, to our families, to our own mental and 175 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: spiritual emotional health, and to the people around us. And 176 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: so some things then there are to think about. Well, 177 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: we're formative to the church, informative for ancient people, are 178 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: still formative for us today. And so when we come 179 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: back from the break, we're going to dive in and 180 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: think about some atomic habits that might be transformational for 181 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: each of us. We'll be right back after this. Welcome back. 182 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: You're listening to Healing Conversations on KABC seven nine M. 183 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts. We're talking about when hearing isn't enough. We 184 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: hear a lot of things. We've talked about this on 185 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: this show several times. You know, value is giving intellectual 186 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: assent to something. Virtue is putting it into practice. And 187 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things we value. We think it's right, 188 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: but we don't necessarily put it into practice. And James 189 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: is very adamant, doesn't do you much good to hear 190 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: here if it doesn't bring some changes. So we listen 191 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: out some things, some atomic habits that you and I 192 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: could think about. Here's the first one. Listen. Everyone should 193 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: be quick to listen. We of all people on Earth, 194 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: are invited to listen. We're supposed to be listeners. We're 195 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: supposed to listen to our culture. We're supposed to listen 196 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: to our friends. We're supposed to listen to those who 197 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: are struggling. We're supposed to listen to people who are 198 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: different than us. We're supposed to listen to our children. 199 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: We're supposed to listen to our spouses. We're not pretending 200 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: to listen, we are actually listen. In fact, James says, 201 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: here's a formative practice, be quick to listen. Listening as 202 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: lost art. There's very little of it going on in 203 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: our world. It's part of what leads to the misunderstandings 204 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: that we have as a culture, as people who are 205 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: espousing causes. We have so many people who are so 206 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: vividly angry but haven't really and don't really understand the 207 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: depths of the two sides of the arguments. Are the 208 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: five sides of the argument? Are the ten sides of 209 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: the argument. The world is complex, issues are complex, and 210 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: if we're going to make progress, we need to be 211 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: quick to listen. How are you as a listener? There 212 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: is no greater gift we can give to people around 213 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: us than to listen. Listen carefully, listen, intently, listen thoughtfully. 214 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: It matters. And then he says atomic habit number two. 215 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: You should talk less, should be quick to listen and 216 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: slow to speak. Well. Part of being quick to listen, 217 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: by imperative, is being slow to speak. When we are 218 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: slow to speak, we're slow because we don't believe that 219 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: our words are golden, that our words are the smartest words. 220 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: Are the best words that we just can't wait till 221 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: the other person stops talking so we can get going. 222 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: Slow because we realize that pontificating is a detriment to 223 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: community and to growth and to relationship and connection. We're 224 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: slow to speak because the one speaking is taking authority 225 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: at the most fundamental level of human relationships. And so 226 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: we are followers, not instructors in our own right. We're 227 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: learners and growers. Slow because our formative practice is to 228 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: point others to Christ, not to call attention to ourselves. 229 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: And so are you quick to listen, slow to speak? 230 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: Let me think about it, let me contemplate it, let 231 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: me let me sit back and not be so quick. 232 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: So atomic cabin number one, listen, Atomic cabin number two, 233 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: don't talk so much. Atomic habin number three. Be slow 234 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: to anger, Slow to anger because anger indicates judgment. It 235 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: indicates that we're angry because we know what's right and 236 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: other people aren't doing it if they would just listen 237 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: to us. And how often are we angry when we 238 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: don't even know all the story? We don't even know 239 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: all the facts, we haven't taken time to gather up information. 240 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Our culture more and more is divided over personalities rather 241 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: than principles. So pretty much you can kind of argue 242 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: that what goes on in our culture and in our 243 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: world is that if it's a democrat idea, it's going 244 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: to be hated by about half the population, no matter 245 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: what it's merit. If it's a Republican idea, it's going 246 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: to be hated by about half. And certainly, if that's 247 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: not true of the rank and file and individuals down 248 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: here at the grassroots level, it's true about our politicians. 249 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: By nature, they're disloyal to their party if they agree 250 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: with someone from the other party. Quick to anger. Anger 251 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: is judgment. I know what's right and I know what's wrong. 252 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Jesus was angry. People always point that out to me, 253 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, when you say you should be angry. Jesus 254 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: was angry. He turned over the tables in the temple. Well, 255 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: just a remind the story is that Jesus was the 256 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: son of God, so he in fact did understand the 257 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: right and the wrong at levels that you and I 258 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: never will. And so being slow to anger doesn't mean 259 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: we never get anger. It just means that we understand 260 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,119 Speaker 1: that mostly what makes us angry and what is affecting 261 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: us negatively may not be the right perspective for us. 262 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: We may need to know more. And then he makes 263 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: this statement that's really powerful because anger does not produced 264 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: the kind of righteousness that God desires, which is a 265 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: biblical spiritual way of saying righteousness, getting it right. Anger 266 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: doesn't produce. 267 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: The ability to get it right, to do the right thing, 268 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: to think the right way, to have the right wisdom 269 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: to tell the truth, to do right by people and 270 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: right by others, and right by relationship. 271 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: So the atomic habit slow to anger, listen, talk less, 272 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: be slow to anger. And then he says the fourth one, 273 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: seek righteousness. So get rid of all more filth and 274 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: the evil that's so prevalent and humbles up the word 275 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: planning in you. And so this is the one I 276 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: broke down into three. Others, practice morality, Practice a deep 277 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:16,359 Speaker 1: sense of fairness, loving consideration of others, Practice self disciplined. 278 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: You know, morality is not an obstacle course that God 279 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: has created to see if we can measure up. Morality 280 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: is the guardrails that keep us safe, keep our relationships safe, 281 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: keep our own behavior safe. And when passions and indulgences 282 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: rule our lives, whether they're sexual, or whether they're in 283 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: our attitude, or whether it's about greed or laziness. It 284 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: destroys our ability to be effective as individuals, and good 285 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: in relationships and good in families. And so morality is 286 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: there so that our passions don't rule, but our passions 287 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: are ruled by discipline and care and a greater good. 288 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: So practice morality, he says, and then avoid evil. We're 289 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: supposed to stay away from evil. That would include indifference, apathy, selfishness. 290 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: He throws it in here to be sure that we 291 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: understand that in the communal kingdom we're supposed to practice goodness. 292 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: We're not just against things. It's not just about preaching 293 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: against evils of morality and all of those things. But 294 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: we're for some things. We're for goodness. We're not content 295 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: to just not mess up in the world. We want 296 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: to have some sort of meaningful contribution to make. And so, 297 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: in this idea of righteousness, practice morality, avoid evil, and 298 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: then be humble. Nothing draws people closer into relationship than 299 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: humility than having ourselves humbly living, not always complaining, not 300 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: always focused on ourselves, but humble, working through our negativity, 301 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: becoming a person that's speaking life and not death at man. 302 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: And so the fourth overall idea is that we seek righteousness, 303 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: We seek the right stuff. Number five, obey God's word. 304 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: Don't even listen to the word and so deceive yourself, 305 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: but do what it says. We don't just listen to 306 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: the word. We form practices, We read it, we contemplate it, 307 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: and we do it because we believe it's wisdom. You 308 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: don't have to believe that. But the Bible represents ideas 309 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: and concepts that reflect justice, compassion care. In fact, Paul 310 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: says in Galatians, the fruit of the Spirit is love 311 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: and joy and peace and patience and kindness and faithfulness 312 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: and gentleness and self control. It seems like those things 313 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: would resonate anywhere in any culture at any time and 314 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: would reflect as wisdom. And so we don't just hear 315 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: that we're supposed to treat people well. We don't just 316 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: hear that we're supposed to be forgiving and loving. We 317 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: actually put it into practice every day, and we go 318 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: back to the basics. We listen, we talk less, we're 319 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: not quick to be angry. We seek the right things, 320 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: and we don't just hear. We obey and then number six, 321 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: we speak life. Those who consider themselves religious but do 322 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: not keep a tight rain on their tongue deceive themselves 323 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: their religion is worthless. That's pretty harsh stuff. And yet 324 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: how true is it? Who cares how religious you are? 325 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: If when you open your mouth you're speaking things that 326 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: tear people up and tear people down and tear people apart. 327 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: That's not life, That's not how it works. We speak 328 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: life and not death, and we keep a tight rein 329 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: on our tongue. Content matters, tone matters. Are we building up, 330 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: our tearing down? Life, experience, personal practice, all those things matter. 331 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: If we're speaking words about others, they need to be 332 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: life words, not death words. We're scaring our children the 333 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: way we talk, the way we talk about people in leadership, 334 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: we are either speaking and you know, here's the thing 335 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: about the words we speak. That's the emotional soup we 336 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: swim in in our homes and in our families, in 337 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: our relationships. So hypocrisy speaks words of death. We need 338 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: to live out what we say. Integrity speaks words of life. 339 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: So we speak words of life, and then finally practice 340 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: compassion atomic habit. Number seven, here's the religion that God 341 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: accepts to look after the orphans and the widows and 342 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: their distress. We're supposed to care, supposed to love people. 343 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: We're supposed to be moved by the condition of the 344 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: world and the people in it, and find effective ways 345 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: to intervene and to spend some of our time our 346 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: energy are resources in pushing back the darkness in the world. 347 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: That's complicated. It's not easy. There's toxic charity and toxic compassion. 348 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: But we got to find ways. We've got to try, 349 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: We've got to be engaged. We at least should be 350 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: able to say, these are the things that I'm working 351 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: on and the people I'm working with to make a 352 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: difference in the lives of others. Because I can't just 353 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: be all about myself and all about my family and 354 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: all about my world. I've got to branch out and 355 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: do things for others. So there they are the seven 356 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: atomic habits of what it looks like. Listen, talk less, 357 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: be slow to anger, seek righteousness, obey God's word, speak life, 358 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: and practice compassion. And so we're going to break. We'll 359 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: talk about this right after this break. Welcome back here. 360 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: Listening to Healing Conversations on KABC seven ninety. I'm Dave 361 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Roberts and I'm welcoming into the studio this morning, Eric mclinney, 362 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: and welcome Eric. Good morning, Dave. How you doing. Hey? 363 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: Good Palm Sunday? 364 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: Oh good? 365 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeahana Hosannah. Yeah. So big celebration Palm Sunday, waving palm branches. 366 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: We do that. We pass out palm branches at all 367 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: the services and we. 368 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: Get the kids up there for the offering song. Kids 369 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: get up there and sing a song. It's good times, 370 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: it's good. It's a good celebration. 371 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: Yep, it's just fun, you know. Getting beat over the 372 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: head by James again this week. Yeah, a lot of conviction, Yeah, 373 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things to think about, Yes, and you 374 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: know they're hard to misunderstand. Yeah, you know it can 375 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: nuance them a little bit. And I think the idea 376 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: of atomic habits is an interesting one, and the fundamentals 377 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: and you know what it means to think about, how 378 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: do my daily practices, how do these small things translate 379 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: into a better life, a better relationship, a better family dynamic, 380 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: a better work dynamic, a better school dynamic. How do 381 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: you feel about that? You being an athlete, you kind 382 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: of grew up in that environment. 383 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: I did, and I wish I was better at it. 384 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: I tried to read the Atomic Cabots book. Yeah, I 385 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: didn't have good enough habits to finish the book. It 386 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: didn't work fast enough. Yeah. 387 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is. 388 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 3: Something though about that Lombardi story of this is a football, right. 389 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: Don't you just kind of wish like Jesus would come 390 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: back one more time, he would go, gentlemen, I am 391 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: the Son of God. Let's start there. 392 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I'm going to slowly. 393 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: Define everything for you. 394 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't feel. 395 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: Like that's how the Bible works, and that's really how 396 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: faith works. But I kind of wish it did work 397 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: that way a little bit. 398 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. But that said, it does seem to me that 399 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: the concept of right and wrong, good and evil exists 400 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: in every culture around the world and seems to be 401 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: inherent in human beings. Yeah, and it's largely the same 402 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: generally speaking. You got to honor the structural systems, you know, 403 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: you got to be faithful to the community. Now, some 404 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: of the community standards are different, certainly, but you kind 405 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: of figure almost everybody says, don't kill people, don't steal things, 406 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: don't take things that don't belong to you. So, I 407 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: think it's interesting when you say that, because it seems 408 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: that we inherently are working with a basic understanding of 409 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: what the bottom line is. 410 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, you said earlier, and I wrote it down, and 411 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: then I just realized I wrote it down incorrectly. It 412 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: has to be correct. But you said, we don't just 413 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: believe we belonged to something. Yeah, what was that whole 414 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: thing that you said? 415 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: Well, I think the idea is that we're not just 416 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of people who write down ideas and then 417 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, we live our beliefs in the context of community, 418 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: which makes it less of dogma and more about a 419 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: belief system that has some flexibility with our relational care 420 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: for each other. It's not a rigid just a system 421 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: of legalism. It's a relational system, right. 422 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: And I mean that that feels true to when this 423 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: was all written down, but that maybe that has ebbed 424 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 3: and flowed over the years of Christianity and faiths. 425 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I mean, and I don't know 426 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: what was true there when it was written down. I mean, 427 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: it's what ultimately got Jesus killed, was that he said, 428 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: to the legalism of the Jewish hierarchy, you're missing the 429 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: point you tie the tenth of your herbs, which would 430 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: represent tithing to the tiniest legalistic level, but you destroy people. 431 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: So I think it was a problem, you know, And 432 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: I think Jesus is trying to say, these principles are 433 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: supposed to result in love, compassion, care, connection, redemption, building up, 434 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: a redemption of society, culture of the world. Not I 435 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: have an exclusive right to the truth. And if you don't, 436 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, come and pay the temple tax and see 437 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: the High Priest and do all the things you're supposed 438 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: to do and pay the money you're supposed to pay. 439 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: Then you can never have the righteousness. So I think 440 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: that's what the belonging is. It's not just a rigid 441 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: set of lessons. It's a set of lessons of principles. 442 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: But the principles are there not for people to get 443 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: crushed by, but to enliven real care and love and 444 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: relationships and functionality. 445 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's good. 446 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: It's good. Quick to listen. 447 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 3: This feels like maybe something the church as a whole 448 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 3: is not the best at. 449 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: All the time. I think that's true. And I feel like, to. 450 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: Me, maybe there's more categories than this. But I feel 451 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: like there's two categories. One category is kind of represented by, 452 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 3: you know, the guys at big sporting events or whatever 453 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: that stand out with a big poster and a megaphone, 454 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: and they're not looking for a conversation. They're looking to 455 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 3: impart their views into the public audibly loudly. That's like 456 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: one version of not listening. And the church kind of 457 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: does that. Not necessarily we go out and stand in 458 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: front of sporting events, no, but all we. 459 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Do have their own conversation and their own language, and yeah, 460 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: outside it does make sense necessarily. Yeah, And I think 461 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, you and I have talked about this, but 462 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: I think philosophically as a church it's one of our 463 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, core principles is we need to be authentic. 464 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: You know, we need to talk about what's real. I 465 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: think it's Henry now and it says, if the if 466 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: the preacher can't talk about the visible absence of God 467 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: in the world, then he's the only one that doesn't 468 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: see it, and then how will anyone believe him? And 469 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: he talks about the invisible presence of God. So I 470 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: think you do have to talk about the visible absence 471 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: of God in the world authentically. Having conversations that mean something. 472 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's the first time a person's 473 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: ever walked into a church or if they're you know, 474 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: listening to a radio show like this, which we we 475 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 1: kind of rework content from weekends. I think, you know, 476 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: it matters. Yeah, but I don't think the church has 477 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: been good at that. 478 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean you and I are people that talk 479 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: into a lot of microphones. Yeah, and if that's all 480 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: we did, then it wouldn't be worth anything. If we 481 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 3: all thought we did was kept talking. And then the 482 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: other one is just just not a willingness to listen. Yeah, 483 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: and specifically to specific stories and specific people outside of 484 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: the walls of the church who have a story, right, 485 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: who have something to say, and it's just an unwillingness 486 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: to listen. 487 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's a fear, you know. I think that 488 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: many people of faith, whether it's Christian or Muslim or 489 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: Hindu or whatever they are, you know, they've been taught 490 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: that the way you corrupt your faith is by listening 491 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: to people outside of the faith, and they'll deceive you 492 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: and take you down a track. And it doesn't seem 493 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: all that difficult to say, you know, we can be 494 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: committed to the Word of God and still be asking 495 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: questions about how does this fit into this person's story 496 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: and life. I'm not going to rewrite the Word of God, 497 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: but I'm also going to try to learn the language 498 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: and understand the circumstances and situations and even the questions 499 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: that are being asked, because I can make it completely irrelevant. 500 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: And I think that's reflected, you know, I think it's 501 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: reflected by who feels safe in church. You know, if 502 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: you're only speaking to one demographic. You know, the church 503 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: is interesting because it kind of divides around different demographics, 504 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: so you'll get a young church or an old church, 505 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: or a Black church, or a white church or a 506 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: Hispanic church, you know, as opposed to and we do 507 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: have some that transcend all of that and attract all 508 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: kinds of demographics. And I think that is ultimately the 509 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: gold because it means we are listening better, we are 510 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: speaking in ways that are addressing the language of all 511 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: of the cultural group and all the demographic and that's 512 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: really important. 513 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can also dominate the conversation by talking too much. Yeah, 514 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: I feel like it's really natural for me and when 515 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: I'm having a conversation with somebody, to know when they've 516 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: been talking too much, and it's harder for me to 517 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: recognize when I'm doing it. How do you know when 518 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: you've been talking too much? 519 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I know. I think I 520 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: carry it as a fear, and I think maybe that's 521 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: important that you're always thinking. I'm always thinking about that. 522 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: Am I Am I dominating this? Have I talked too 523 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: many times? You know? Sometimes I'm in peer to peer 524 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: learning groups, unmoderated learning groups, you know, where you're just 525 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna people are just going to have a conversation. And 526 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: I often will leave those groups and I'll turn to 527 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: somebody that's a friend and say, hey, did I did 528 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: I talk too much? Doing that? I think I talked 529 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: three times? I don't know. Did it feel like there's 530 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: too much? Because it's a fear, because because you feel 531 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: it when other people are doing it, and you're like, 532 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. You know, I don't 533 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: feel that. I know. The answer is, you know, am 534 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: I really contributing here? Or am I distracting? And I 535 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: think you get asked that question in every situation. Am 536 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: I dominating? In my home and my family? You know? 537 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: I think one of the most fascinating things to me 538 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: is my grandkids, who don't talk about necessarily deep stuff, 539 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: at least they don't start there. But how often, you know, 540 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: am I just adding them talk about themselves and talk 541 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: about what they're thinking about and what they're doing and 542 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: what their questions are, you know, every minute. It's not 543 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: a teaching moment. And I think it's a good thing 544 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: to ask in a lot of different contexts because talking 545 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: too much is an ongoing problem. 546 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: I want to talk about anger. We're coming up on 547 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: a break, but when we get back. I think it's 548 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: really funny that people say Jesus got mad, Yeah, we 549 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: should talk about that. 550 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they use it as an excuse for their 551 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: own anger, which is also very very funny in many ways. 552 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: All right, well we're headed to break and we'll jump 553 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: right on that anger issue right after this. Welcome back. 554 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to Healing Conversations with Eric mcclenahan and Dave 555 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: Roberts on KABC seven ninety. We left off at break. Eric, 556 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about anger. You said you thought 557 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: it was funny. Tell me the details. 558 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, just how people will say, well, yeah, I'm angry, 559 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: but Jesus got angry, he turned over the tables. So 560 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: if Jesus got angry, then I can get angry. 561 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's such a such an easy comeback. You're 562 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: not Jesus, you know, You're just not Jesus. And so 563 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: if Jesus got angry. You know, there's a passage in 564 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Philippians that Paul writes, and he says, in your relationships 565 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: with one another, your attitude should be the same as 566 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: Christ Jesus, who, being in very nature God, did not 567 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: think equality with God something to be grasped, but emptying 568 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: himself and became a servant. So the one person that 569 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: was qualified to judge others and to be harsh decided 570 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: to be a servant instead of harsh and judgmental. So 571 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: anybody that makes the argument, well, just got angry, so 572 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: I should too. Might want to read that verse. It's 573 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: just not where we are. But anger is such a 574 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: huge problem in our culture. And I don't know, I 575 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,719 Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't think I'm a big conspiracy theorist, 576 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: but I certainly am fascinated by these public protests where 577 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: somebody says, do you know about this? Do you know 578 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: about this? Do you know? But there's other people that 579 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: are so angry don't know about the basic issues they're 580 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: angry about. And so then you've got to ask, well, 581 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: why are you out there? Who's driving this, who's inviting 582 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: people instead of educating. I mean, the old process was 583 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: let's educate people, and if there's a reason to get upset, 584 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: then let's be upset. But now it's let's be upset 585 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: so that we can I don't know when. 586 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is also we've talked about this a 587 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: bunch on this show because it's such a hot topic thing. 588 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: But this also extends to social media. Yes, and two points. 589 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: Number one, an argument has never in the history of 590 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: social media been solved over social media. Your righteous anger 591 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 3: on social media does not change anyone's opinion. 592 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: Ever. 593 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter how you word it, it doesn't matter. 594 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: It will never change that person's opinion. So just stop. 595 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: And number two, they the social media companies want you 596 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 3: to be angry because when you are angry, you talk more, 597 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: you respond to things, you click on things more when 598 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: you're angry than when you're happy. So every time that 599 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: somebody posts something that is ridiculous and makes you angry 600 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: and you know that they are so wrong, the odds 601 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: of them posting that for that purpose. They know they're wrong. 602 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 3: They are rage baiting you. Yes, they want you to comment. 603 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: When you comment, you are not imposing some kind of 604 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 3: righteous anger. You are doing exactly what they hope you 605 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: are doing, because they are making money off of you commenting, 606 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 3: and I think you hop and it needs to be 607 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: broadcast over and over. 608 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, social media is not about information and education. 609 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 1: It's about engagement. Yes, and they're going to do whatever 610 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: they can. They don't care what you believe or what 611 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: you think. They just want you to keep clicking and 612 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: they want you to stay there. I have to get 613 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: this one out because I just saw it recently and 614 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: it struck me as being so much in this vein 615 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: of thinking but a celebrity that I'll at least not 616 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: mention their name. Though some of you probably saw the post, 617 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, and of course in this AI world, you 618 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: don't even know if this person actually said this. But 619 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: here it is a big, big post on social media 620 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: and it says, how do we get rid of this 621 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: mini exulabatives president? And here was my immediately thought, Well 622 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: we vote for another person. I mean, we have a 623 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: whole system designed to get rid of leaders that we 624 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: don't want and to put in leaders that we do want. 625 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: And you can go down the rabbit hole if we 626 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: should have better choices than YadA, y YadA, YadA. But 627 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: just the very fact that this outrages how do we 628 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: get rah da da? Well, don't you know how? I mean, 629 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: if you just took the question, don't you really know 630 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: how There'll be an election and you get to vote, 631 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: and there'll be a campaign and you get to promote. 632 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we have a system. 633 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 3: The partially who thought opposite of you four years ago 634 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: said the same thing, yeah, and so they went and 635 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 3: voted yes. 636 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: So it's just the irony of because if you just 637 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: took the question and face value, don't you want to 638 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: look at that celebrity and go you mean you don't know? Okay, 639 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: well here's how it works. Yeah, every four years you 640 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: register to vote and then every four years with. 641 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: How it works, this gentleman is a football Yeah yeah. 642 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean it just struck me as being so funny 643 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: because it wasn't about the question. It was about the 644 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 1: rage that it creates and the endorsement and the disapproval. 645 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 3: And ninety nine percent of the time they go while 646 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 3: I have you here in your love for me or hatred. 647 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 3: I have a new movie coming. 648 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Out this ye yes. 649 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 3: Seek righteousness. Righteousness to me is one of those words 650 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 3: that kind of loses its meaning over time in the 651 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 3: church because we just we just throw it out. I 652 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 3: like fellowship and like all these buzz that we throw 653 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 3: out there. What is righteousness? How do you define? Get 654 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 3: the us out of it? 655 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: It's right in us and we all have an inherent 656 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: sense of that. 657 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: You know. 658 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: We don't want guilty people to go free. We don't 659 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: want innocent people to be mistreated. We don't want poor 660 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: people to be ground up in the system. We don't 661 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: want people to be unable to afford housing. We don't 662 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: want people to be hungry. We don't want cruelty, we 663 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: don't want bullying. You know, we have a deep sense 664 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: of rightness. We may not all agree on how it 665 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: all works, but I think we all agree. You know, 666 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: we don't want young people suffering. You know, we don't 667 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: want kids growing up in environments that are unhealthy or unsafe. 668 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: We don't want them growing up with bigotry and judgmentalism. 669 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: I think we all agree on that. We want them 670 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: to be discerning, and have good judgment. So I think 671 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: there is an inherent sense of rightness. I think the 672 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: church sometimes says it has to be all of these 673 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: other things, and I think the growing sense. I think 674 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: the biblical idea of righteousness extends beyond just those basic 675 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: inherent things. It gets into the nuances of how do 676 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: we treat others, you know, love God, don't live like 677 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: you're the top of the food chain. Live like you're 678 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: accountable for your choices and behaviors. There's something above you. 679 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: And love your neighbor as yourself. You know, be as 680 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: good to your neighbor as you are to yourself. And 681 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: so I think the Biblical idea pushes into the weeds. 682 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: It gets down into the details of life in many ways. Yeah, 683 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: but I think that's what righteousness is, and I think 684 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,840 Speaker 1: we all long for it. That's what anger is about, 685 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: because it's not going right. It's not the right thing, 686 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: it's not the right way. 687 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,479 Speaker 3: One of your points in see righteousness is avoid evil. 688 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 3: And I wanted to ask you about this because there's 689 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 3: been some younger kids at our church that are kind 690 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: of dealing with this in our junior high group. Of 691 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: this idea of the devil is trying to trick you 692 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 3: behind every turn, so be villigent, and yeah, what is 693 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 3: a healthy way to look at avoid evil? Because even 694 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 3: I remember growing up, you know, you'd see videos and 695 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 3: it'd be like, don't drink Monster Energy drinks because it's 696 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 3: evil because they put six sixty six in the logo 697 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 3: and you know if you drink it, it's a Well. 698 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: I grew up in the seven levels. You know, we 699 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: were playing records backwards because you know they were putting 700 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: secret satanic messages in them, you know, and this is 701 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: all the craziness. I just think again, you know, the 702 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: Biblical story is not irrational. There might come a point 703 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: where our rational minds step off into you know, the 704 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: ancients talked about it in terms of the physical and 705 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: the metaphysical. There are some things that exceed the physical world, 706 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: and that's where we kind of step into faith and 707 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 1: spirituality and the divine. But we do a lot of 708 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: living in the physical in the rational world. And God 709 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: is never irrational. It might be extra rational, it might 710 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: exceed rational understanding. There might be less limits at that 711 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: level than our at our physical level. But this idea 712 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: that evil's going to sneak up on you and grab you. 713 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: You know, we have to be a willing participant in 714 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: that stuff, and so I put less credence in that. 715 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: I think that there are our message those that are 716 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: not good for human beings. And I think, you know, 717 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of video games and a lot of 718 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 1: movies that promote things that are disturbing to our overall 719 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: mental health. But I don't think that's a specifically spiritual 720 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: It can become that it can become deeply ingrained in 721 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: a person's psyche, and we've seen that, you know, And 722 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: why it works that way for one person and not another, 723 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think we explain. It's like alcohol, 724 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: you know, you learn to practice a very specific kind 725 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: of temperance because some personalities are more addictive than others. 726 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: And you know, and I think it's the same with 727 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: violence and sexual input and how early kids are exposed 728 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: to that stuff. I think the studies are out there 729 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: that talk to us about the common sense things less about, 730 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: you know, the demonic and the boogeyman and all of 731 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: those things. Those things I believe have validity and are real. 732 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: They're certainly biblically talked about, but they seem to involve 733 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: a willingness to engage it and seek it, as opposed 734 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 1: to something that you know, you just find it snuck 735 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: up on you. 736 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 737 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: Best practices atomic practices, you know, atomic habits really are 738 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: they kind of preclude all that. 739 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Palm Sunday. 740 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: Next week is Easter. Yeah. 741 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 3: If you're looking for a place to go for Easter, yeah, 742 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 3: Mantroschurch dot org. You can find all the times we 743 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,839 Speaker 3: have an extra service for Easter. We have an eight 744 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 3: am yep so eight am, ten am, eleven thirty ten 745 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 3: am on Facebook Mantroschurch dot org if you need a 746 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 3: place for Eastern. 747 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: Next week and nine am at our Pasadena campus in. 748 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 3: A campus, but I will be there, so I'll only 749 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,959 Speaker 3: be at the Montrescal I'll be it both. 750 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: So, Hey, thanks for listening. I pray grace over you 751 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 1: in this coming Holy week. I pray God would be present. 752 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: I pray there would be guidance, and I pray somewhere 753 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: in there that the atomic habits would contribute to your 754 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: sense of well being, into the well being of your 755 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: life and your family. God bless thanks for listening.