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Speaker 1: It's the Ray Appleton Podcast from KMJ and kmjnow dot com.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what prompted the release of these latest

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Speaker 1: numbers in California this morning, but here we go, just

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Speaker 1: looking at from twenty ten to twenty twenty four, ten

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Speaker 1: million people have left California for other states. Ten million.

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Speaker 1: That surprised that, you know what, out of me why,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. The California exodus has been driven

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Speaker 1: by the high cost of housing, taxes, politics, with a

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Speaker 1: net loss of five hundred and thirty two thousand lower

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Speaker 1: income adults in the past decade. Most of these people

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Speaker 1: that have been leaving of the ten million are very

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Speaker 1: stable people with a lot of dough so the net

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Speaker 1: loss trend. California has lost residence to other states every

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Speaker 1: year since two thousand and one. No other state is

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Speaker 1: going through this. No other state is going through this.

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Speaker 1: The pandemic acceleration kind of kicked it in gear a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Eight hundred thousand people left the state annually

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Speaker 1: each year twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two, top

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Speaker 1: destinations still Texas, Arizona, Washington, Nevada, Oregon. The impact the

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Speaker 1: migration impact has caused the state to experience its first

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Speaker 1: ever then sustained negative population growth in over a century. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not making it up with people coming into the state,

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Speaker 1: no freaking way. The demographic shift. While lower income residents

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Speaker 1: have been leaving for years, the trend recently has included

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Speaker 1: a big rise in departure of college graduates higher income households,

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Speaker 1: likely tied to remote work flexibility. Despite these departures, California

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Speaker 1: still remains one of the most populous states, with over

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Speaker 1: thirty nine million residents as of July of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: But the numbers that have left are unbelievable and one

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Speaker 1: of these days that's going to catch up with us. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's been over nine months since I've asked you if

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Speaker 1: you're leaving, and every time that I do, I'm just

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Speaker 1: bombarded with phone calls. So are you leaving? And your reasons? Why?

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Speaker 1: And where are you going? I want to know. I

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Speaker 1: just want to throw this out there from Nate. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we can do this the whole hour.

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Speaker 1: I kind of doubt it because there's other things going on.

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Speaker 1: But when I saw these numbers again this morning, well

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Speaker 1: again for the first time, ten million in ten years. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm just amazed at how many people are leaving still,

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Speaker 1: So are you considering it? And if so, where are

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Speaker 1: you going? And why? Four nine zero fifty eight fifty

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Speaker 1: How many people is California lost since twenty twenty? Just

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Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, we've lost just under four hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a lot. How many corporations have left

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Speaker 1: California in the last ten years, This is a amazing.

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Speaker 1: The number of firms whose headquarters have left the state

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Speaker 1: is small, from twenty eleven to twenty twenty one one

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Speaker 1: point nine percent, but more than forty seven thousand headquarters

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Speaker 1: left California on net. Seven hundred and eighty nine actually

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Speaker 1: took off physically and moved on. So who are these

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Speaker 1: you know companies? They're all over the place, mostly higher ups,

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Speaker 1: taking their populations with them. They're working populations, finding states

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Speaker 1: you know, amenable for their their their job population, usually

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Speaker 1: a state without a state income tax. The number one

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Speaker 1: state people are moving out of. What do you think

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Speaker 1: I've told you it's us California. Illinois is next New York,

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Speaker 1: next to Louisiana, next, Why anybody leave Louisiana. I like

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Speaker 1: it there. Yeah, California's got the biggest net loss Illinois,

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Speaker 1: New York. I get that. How many billionaires are leaving California?

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Speaker 1: Eleven billionaires have left in recent years, with a total

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Speaker 1: of four hundred billion dollars in combined wealth. Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: That's got to be hurting. It's got to be hurting.

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Speaker 1: What we pick up on the way of taxes. What

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Speaker 1: percentage of Californians make one hundred thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: seventeen percent of the households. How many of them are

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Speaker 1: leaving thirteen percent? What jeez? Hello, So you see that

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Speaker 1: California is suffering greatly a loss of people. And why

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Speaker 1: do so many people want to leave California? The high

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Speaker 1: cost of living, crime, politics, taxes, pollution, traffic, you name them,

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Speaker 1: and that's why you're going? So, Okay, where are you going?

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Speaker 1: I want to open up all the phone lines here.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is probably not going to

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Speaker 1: be as you know, big as it has been in

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Speaker 1: the past. But I'm wanting to see if the reasons

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Speaker 1: and if the places that you're going has changed So

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Speaker 1: those of you who are thinking about it or have

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Speaker 1: made up a decision to go, where are you going

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Speaker 1: to go? Let's start with that to go? And why

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Speaker 1: why did you pick that state? Number one reason in

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Speaker 1: the past for why you've picked a certain state is

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Speaker 1: because you already had friends that live there or relatives.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense, makes sense. But then there are those like

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Speaker 1: the loyal like me, who want to stay and fix it.

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Speaker 1: Stevehlton wants to stay and fix it, even though he's

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Speaker 1: from England, but he's been here long enough as a

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Speaker 1: for governor. Duh fifty eight fifty eight? Where are you going?

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Speaker 1: And why? I'm going to start with Bill? Bill? What's

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Speaker 2: Man from just kind of fed up with the state

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Speaker 2: of California And I'm I My son lives in Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: and I see the cost of living is so much

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Speaker 2: less there, Distress is less, the state isn't trying to

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Speaker 2: get in your pocket every day taking tax money or

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Speaker 2: fines or something. It just seems like a better life.

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Speaker 2: When are you well and hopefully by the end of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, you go to Kentucky. You've obviously with

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Speaker 1: a child there, you've you've been there before, you got

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Speaker 1: to like it, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I like it this fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be wonderful and I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it. I live in Aubury now, and

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Speaker 2: it's better than Fresno and Clovis. It's still not good enough.

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Speaker 2: It's still too expensive. Our insurance on our home is

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Speaker 2: six thousand dollars a year now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fire Mountain homes. I know, it's really bad.

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Speaker 2: It's it's andy. Everything is that way. It's not just that,

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Speaker 2: it's everything. And we've just kind of had enough. My

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Speaker 2: wife's seventy eight and I'm seventy four, and were just

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Speaker 2: decided five other kids here in California and one in Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: But I think we're going to go to Kentucky for

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you. I think you'll like it.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you all right, Bill, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Take us with you. You can listen to us back there,

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Speaker 1: real easy, real easy. I like Kentucky. I thought I

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Speaker 1: was great and what's up.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, I'm actually I don't want to leave California.

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Speaker 5: I love it here. And as far as living in

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Speaker 5: the States, I wouldn't live anywhere else, largely because of

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Speaker 5: the healthcare. You're just not going to find it in

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Speaker 5: some brodcast red state. But I'm actually considering and looking

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Speaker 5: at making a plan to leave the States. I have

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Speaker 5: a couple of different places I'm thinking of. I have

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Speaker 5: some friends in OZ and then I've done some research,

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Speaker 5: and I'm also looking at Cornwall. They've got a great

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Speaker 5: private medical facility with it would handle most of the

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Speaker 5: stuff I need and it would be much quieter, calmer.

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Speaker 1: Wearing Cornwall because I know Cornwall very well.

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Speaker 5: Main city too. I'm sorry, my Cornish is true, true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a big city for literature.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they've got, like I said, they've got a

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Speaker 5: great private medical facility there that my insurance would take.

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Speaker 5: So it's I don't know for sure. I've got another

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Speaker 5: year to work, but it's just something i'm kind of

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Speaker 5: thinking about, and like I said, I have I'm going

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Speaker 5: to Australia, hopefully in another six months, to visit my

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Speaker 5: friends there and see if that might be a possibility.

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Speaker 1: You have you been to Cornwall?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, I've been going to nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 5: Oh I haven't been. I haven't done that many times,

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Speaker 5: but it's just it's a very peaceful place and I

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Speaker 5: like the people. I actually i'd be happy anywhere in

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Speaker 5: the British countryside. But again, as I'm sure you understand,

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Speaker 5: medical care is an issue.

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Speaker 1: So all right, well, good luck to you.

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Speaker 5: Good luck, thank you, have a great day.

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Speaker 1: All right. I'm trying to would you say some red

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Speaker 1: as state supposed to have it better hospitals and insurance

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Speaker 1: in Blue states fooled me? Tony? Talk to me?

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Speaker 3: What's up, young man?

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Speaker 6: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Tony from Stockton?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 3: Back when the earth was still cooling?

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Speaker 1: Where you're going?

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Speaker 3: I'm leaving. I got married a few couple of years

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Speaker 3: ago to an Ecuadorian woman, So I'm going to Ecuador.

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Speaker 1: Wow, second row, leaving the country? Have you been there before?

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Speaker 1: Obviously you have.

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Speaker 3: Well I've only been going there for the past three years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why why do you move there?

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Speaker 3: One? I just got to buying a piece.

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Speaker 7: Of property and I'm gonna I'm a retired architect, so

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Speaker 7: I have a plan already and I'm going to be

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Speaker 7: I'm going to be building on the hillside.

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Speaker 3: Overlooking the city.

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Speaker 1: Which city is gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Real Bamba, real bamba, got it. It's it's a seven

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Speaker 3: thousand feet in elevation, so thin era. So when I go,

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Speaker 3: when I go over there to visit, I have to

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Speaker 3: acclimate myself about two or three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Probably a good idea, totally.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first time I went, I couldn't walk

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Speaker 3: ten feet without trying to pass out. Yeah, that was fun,

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Speaker 3: that was good experience. But I would like to leave

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Speaker 3: at the end of the year. But for me to

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Speaker 3: established residency in Ecuador, I have to stay there for

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Speaker 3: two months department two years without leaving the country. Oh dear,

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Speaker 3: that's that's their rules that I have to abide, you know. So,

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Speaker 3: plus I already have a job lined up over there.

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Speaker 1: So I mean other than so, it's not really so

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Speaker 1: much California that you're you're wanting to get rid of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, Prior prior to meeting my wife, we've already

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Speaker 3: been married three years. Prior to meeting my wife, I

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Speaker 3: was already looking at going to Nevada or Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, Yeah that.

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Speaker 3: Was a pre planned. When she showed up into the picture,

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Speaker 3: I just went a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Farther, I guess, so, well, good luck to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Take care all right, Tony, you too, and you can

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Speaker 1: even listen to us in Ecuador. You can, you can, Ted,

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Speaker 1: go ahead talk to me.

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Speaker 6: Ray, Good afternoon from Vicelia. Twenty eight year Navy that

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Speaker 6: I've been throughout the world, different states, so on and so forth.

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Speaker 6: I moved back to California from health reasons from Japan.

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Speaker 6: If I could go back to Japan, I would a heartbeat,

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Speaker 6: But unfortunately, I just got laid off from a job

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Speaker 6: in Tularry, and it's not my desire to retire in California,

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Speaker 6: even though I do have kids here. So I've got

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Speaker 6: a couple of years left that I'd like to work.

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Speaker 6: And now I'm seriously thinking about moving out of state,

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Speaker 6: looking at northern Arkansas if possible. I did a job

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Speaker 6: interview and there's a possibility for Tennessee and there's also

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Speaker 6: possibility for Texas. So for me, I want to go

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Speaker 6: to a red state, and I want to go to

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Speaker 6: state that does well for veterans, and definitely Texas and

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Speaker 6: Arkansas do those.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you why Arkansas, So that's

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons, because they're good to vet well.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and Sarah Sarah Sanders is there also.

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Speaker 1: Oh true, I forgot about that, but you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she's she's strong. They're good for vets. I'm originally

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Speaker 6: from Kansas City. Mom's sister in Casey, your brother, outside

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful down there. We used to do things in

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Speaker 6: the Ozarks, so it's a beautiful area. That's where I

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Speaker 6: could go. Sir, That's definitely where I would go. But

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Speaker 6: if it happens to be Texas for a job, then

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Speaker 6: then so be it. I got friends who are firmly

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Speaker 6: really enjoy it. So there's that possibility, and they've got

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Speaker 6: a good VA system in that area as well.

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Speaker 1: Well. Texas is the number one state to head to

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Speaker 1: for those people leaving California. Seems like it is every year,

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Speaker 1: every every time I look at this, it's just the

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Speaker 6: Well, it seems as though they're really willing to take people,

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Speaker 6: especially from California, as long as we don't take California ideals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, all right, Ted, I got a roll,

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Speaker 1: got a roll, Rodney, You're next, Hi, Ray, how are

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Speaker 4: I'm going where your son Rory lives.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're going to Indiana? Are you going to where

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Speaker 1: he lives in Indianapolis? Bingo?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Wow? What are you going to do there?

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Speaker 4: I've never been there, but I'm moving there.

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Speaker 1: Wow? What what brought you to that choice?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Business is such a crap shot in California. Now I

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Speaker 4: have a machine shopping. My wife has an antique store

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Speaker 4: and it's just factor antique store I'm looking into this

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Speaker 4: morning at five thirty.

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Speaker 1: Oh man.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, you know, reasons being what you've experienced when

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Speaker 4: you've gone back to I've listened to you, expand on

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Speaker 4: what you see, what you like. I can My sister's

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Speaker 4: been there for nine years now. They moved from Sacramento

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Speaker 4: and never looked back. She was there three days and

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Speaker 4: bought a house. Ah.

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Speaker 1: It's just like my ex wife. She wouldn't go back

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Speaker 1: there to visit Rory. She was there three days and

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Speaker 1: bought a house. There you go, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's it is. You saw the pictures I got

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Speaker 4: this morning. I don't know if your son sent your

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Speaker 4: pictures from this morning. The snow twelve inches of snow

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Speaker 4: more unbelievable. Yeah, I posted them on Facebook. I mean normal, No, No,

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Speaker 4: that's not normal there. Yeah, but there's a there's a

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Speaker 4: big exodus. I have relatives. I just talked to my

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Speaker 4: it because they're ruining the state. Oh dear, but you

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Speaker 4: know that's what you hear a lot of as people

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Speaker 4: from here in New York. They want to be where

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Speaker 4: they're at. They just want everything that they're used to

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Speaker 4: to be there with them.

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Speaker 1: Well, they can't expect that. It's ridiculous and that just

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Speaker 1: doesn't fly. You know, you'll you'll enjoy Indianapolis. I must

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Speaker 1: say I was shot by the first time I went.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I tried to get you to go see

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Speaker 4: my sister the business she works as a candy company.

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Speaker 1: Well, next time I'll do that.

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Speaker 4: Well, the problem is is it just got bought out

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Speaker 4: by a Canadian concern. No, it's no longer what it was.

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Speaker 1: Well I missed that one, didn't I.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, it's still there. I mean, you know, it's worth.

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Speaker 1: It's just not your sisters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah all right, Rodney, I gotta run.

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Speaker 1: Good luck on your move there. Good place to be,

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Speaker 1: cheap boy, A lot cheaper