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Speaker 2: We'll just a little bit later on with Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 2: Jed York, John Lynch, all of our favorite voices speaking

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Speaker 2: out there in Phoenix. But right now we are focusing

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Speaker 2: on the potential closer issue. And Ryan Walker was a

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Speaker 2: And let's play another piece of sound from Kruk, where Kruk,

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Speaker 2: generally a pretty positive guy always about the team, is

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Speaker 3: He can't go out there and pitch like he did

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing about a bulletin, you know,

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Speaker 3: no matter what. He hasn't earned that. So right now,

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Speaker 3: next time he goes back out there, and he'll be

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Speaker 2: Well, you know he's going to be available to go

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Speaker 4: No question. I don't know about you.

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Speaker 5: I'm not concerned that Tony Vaitello is going to stick

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Speaker 5: I know there's people driving around right now or watching

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Speaker 5: Need Ryan Walker, even if he's not going to be

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Speaker 4: But I actually think it a weird way.

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Speaker 5: The lack of experience gives them the flexibility to mold

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Speaker 2: Last night I'm watching the game, and I took very

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Speaker 5: to make sure that Keaton win gets more opportunities to

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Speaker 5: I do think it's that it's that fragile and Walker

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Speaker 2: Is it any flashback to something that you've seen before?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Sappy Tuesday, It's Papa and Silver.

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Speaker 2: up in the next segment. She wrote all about pet peeves.

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Speaker 4: Like ultimately frustrating. It's just the thing that kind of just.

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: We just got to give these people a chance to

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Speaker 7: But sometimes a pitcher goes out there last night, Walker

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Speaker 7: So you know, we kids, I got toll of faith

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Speaker 7: And you know what it could have been. It could

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tony, real quick before you go, let me ask

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Speaker 7: Well, there, we're just dealing with people here. Okay, people

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Speaker 7: So Tony Vitello knows what he's doing. He didn't get

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Speaker 7: you know, So whatever, that's okay. That stuff's gonna happen.

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Speaker 7: And it's not up to me. I don't know what

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Speaker 7: Those guys do, and we need to just be quiet

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Yeah, no problem.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate the call Tony Tony in Union City. What if

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Speaker 2: it was Tony Vitello. No, I'm kidding you it was not.

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Speaker 2: But uh no, JD, I know there was anything he's

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Speaker 5: He's getting on Vitello for the closer like that's I

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Speaker 5: No doubt. And look, I think the question that we're

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Speaker 5: Look at Brian Wilson again, Ryan Walker doesn't have Brian

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Speaker 2: Let's keep it going on the phones, Alfonso right here

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Speaker 6: First of all, good morning to everyone, and I'm very

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Speaker 6: I do have faith in him. I'll start with that.

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Speaker 6: Number two is, even though the season is very early,

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Speaker 6: We really can't expect very much from a team that's

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, I appreciate the call, Alfonso, and look,

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Speaker 2: In the expectations, I would say respectfully that based on

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Giants are viewed as a team

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Speaker 2: And so when we talk about expectations, it would be

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Speaker 2: hundred line.

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Speaker 3: JD.

436
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Speaker 2: It's we're gonna get over that hump and get back

437
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Speaker 2: into October, especially now that the playoffs have the kind

438
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: of flexibility and leeway to get in with extra wild

439
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: cards compared to what they used to.

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Speaker 4: I found my pet peeve.

441
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Speaker 5: By the way, we didn't have my pet peeve at

442
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 5: the I was thinking about it. I didn't really have one.

443
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna get into this topic. I know it was

444
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 5: kind of a more fun and frivolous type of a

445
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 5: column from Susan. We'll talk to her about it. I

446
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 5: found my pet peeve, though within this second, I'm gonna

447
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: save it. Though I'm gonna save it because I want

448
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 5: to keep I want to go back to and or

449
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 5: maybe I'll be short on it and then we'll we'll

450
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 5: revisit it after we talk to Susan. They're not a

451
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 5: rebuilding team like that. I'll just I'll answer that part

452
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 5: like that. Nothing about their position players up and down,

453
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 5: the nine that are out there in the lineup every day,

454
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Speaker 5: and the four that are on the bench like screams

455
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Speaker 5: rebuilding team. The starting pitching staff does not scream rebuilding team.

456
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Speaker 3: Right.

457
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 5: They literally went and got to two young veteran pitchers

458
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Speaker 5: to throw into the into the mix with with Logan

459
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Speaker 5: Webb and Robbie Ray, who are not young themselves.

460
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Speaker 4: Now, the bullpen would make you think that.

461
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Speaker 5: Maybe they are a rebuilding team, like that one aspect

462
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 5: of the team. And we've we've gotten into the fact

463
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 5: that it. You know, that's the part that doesn't necessarily

464
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 5: add up for me is on the one hand, there's

465
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: kind of this expectation that they think they can be

466
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 5: good enough to win in the mid eighties. But yet

467
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 5: either they know something we don't about this bullpen and

468
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 5: Keaton win may be an example of something like that.

469
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 5: On the positive side, like hey, this dude has the

470
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 5: stuff to be a closer. Uh, you know, maybe you

471
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 5: know by the by the first third of the season

472
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Speaker 5: or the first half of the season at some point,

473
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Speaker 5: but you know, so that's what That's one thing. The

474
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 5: other thing to touch on is just the you know,

475
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 5: the the notion from the caller that the Yankee series says,

476
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 5: you know, this team can't compete with championship caliber teams.

477
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 5: I don't think we literally know the answer to that,

478
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 5: you know, until they play more of those teams. And

479
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 5: obviously it hasn't been pretty when they've played the Dodgers

480
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 5: of of late in recent years. But here's the other

481
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 5: part to that. They're not a rebuilding team, as we've said.

482
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Speaker 5: But who who believed and this is not my pet peeve,

483
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Speaker 5: despite the change in tone, who believed that this team

484
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Speaker 5: was was a championship like caliber contender coming Like, I

485
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 5: don't think anybody believe that. Like, I don't think they're rebuilding,

486
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 5: but nobody should rightfully believe that they're, you know, a

487
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: championship contender this year. So that's not even like, like

488
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 5: not even hold them accountable for that. If anything, they're

489
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 5: kind of caught in the middle as to where they're

490
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, they're and look in baseball, you can sometimes

491
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 5: get caught in the middle and get in and catch

492
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 5: lightning in a bottle and all of that. We don't

493
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Speaker 5: need to get into that now. But I don't think

494
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Speaker 5: it should come as a surprise that they're not necessarily

495
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Speaker 5: a contender. Does that mean they're going to lose every

496
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: game to contenders? No, of course not, but so so

497
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Speaker 5: I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at as

498
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: it relates to the as it relates to the caller.

499
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 5: And then I can give you the pet peeve, but

500
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 5: I don't know. I can give you the pet peeve.

501
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 5: I can hold the pet peeve.

502
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll last Susan and she'll bring it out of

503
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Speaker 2: both of us. Susan Sluster will join us from the

504
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Speaker 2: San Francisco Chronicle. We do it every Tuesday, usually right

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Speaker 2: at this time, So sit back and enjoy it. Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back with Susan Sluster on the UMA guest line.

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Speaker 2: is time always at this juncture in the week when

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Speaker 2: we talked to Susan Slussler of the.

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Speaker 4: San Francisco Chronicle.

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Speaker 2: Last time we talked to Susan, it was a lot

523
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Speaker 2: of speculation. This time we actually got four baseball games

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Speaker 2: to digest, and she joins us on the UMA guest line, How.

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Speaker 4: Are you, Susan great?

526
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Speaker 8: How are you good?

527
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're doing well.

528
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Speaker 2: We actually were just having fun in the last segment

529
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Speaker 2: with the theme of the column that you just put

530
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Speaker 2: out about the pet peeves of the Giants players and

531
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Speaker 2: that's a good way to get to know their personality,

532
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: and we were just kind of going down the pet.

533
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Speaker 4: Peeve rabbit hole.

534
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Speaker 2: I guess I'll just start by asking, as a beat

535
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Speaker 2: writer in the sport of baseball, where it's just a

536
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: six month grind, daily lot of travel, you've been doing

537
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: this for so long, what would you say your biggest

538
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: pet peeve is when we get to the season and

539
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: you're back on the routine.

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00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, I have so many, just like right,

541
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Speaker 8: like beat writers, a little tiny pet piece. I could

542
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 8: probably go on all day and people wouldn't really care

543
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Speaker 8: about it. But I do think that people that watch

544
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 8: a lot of interviews with like group interview sessions or

545
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 8: post games stuff like that will agree with me. I

546
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 8: hate the performative question. The I know more than you

547
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 8: do talk sort of sound like when you're talking talking

548
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 8: to somebody who obviously knows way more than you do.

549
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 8: We're just writers, we're just media members, but sort of

550
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Speaker 8: like the I'm going to preface this with a whole

551
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Speaker 8: bunch of information about what I know and what do

552
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Speaker 8: you think?

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Speaker 4: I hate that.

554
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 8: It's kind of time was start too, and you can

555
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 8: you can see and almost feel people kind of rolling

556
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 8: their eyes, including the subjects of the interview sometimes, So yeah,

557
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 8: don't care for that.

558
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Speaker 2: I mean, I would also imagine that in today's day

559
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: and age, all the aggregating accounts on social media where

560
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: it's like Greg Silver says on K and b R,

561
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Speaker 2: Susan Slusser hates know it alls and she hates everyone.

562
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Speaker 8: I mean, that's accurate. But yes, if someone wants to

563
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 8: aggregate that, go for it. But yeah, aggregation in general drives,

564
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 8: you know, especially as like the legacy media or whatever.

565
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 8: We are, newspapers sort of so that drives us nuts.

566
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 8: It's putting a lot of outlets out of business. And

567
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 8: once up, we all got a business, what are they

568
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 8: going to aggregate? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's always interesting, Susan, because it's along the lines

570
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 5: of your pet peeve. One of mine is those who

571
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 5: ask a question just to hear themselves ask a question,

572
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 5: which I think is kind of a different that's a

573
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 5: little different angle to what you're saying. And it's like

574
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Speaker 5: you always want to ask a question and participate and

575
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: have something that can further a conversation, but you don't

576
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 5: want to just you're better off not asking the question

577
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: if you're only asking the question to hear yourself on

578
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 5: the microphone, on on the you know, somebody's YouTube feed,

579
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 5: or on NBC Sports area afterwards, which it feels like

580
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: that happens sometimes.

581
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's kind of like I'm here, I need to

582
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 8: feel like I have to ask something. There's a variation

583
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Speaker 8: of that that's even more maddening. It's the asking a

584
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Speaker 8: question that's actually already been asked because you feel like

585
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 8: oh yeah, or you're just flat not paying attention, like

586
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 8: that's what like why are you are? Like are you

587
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 8: not how are you not paying attention to this thing

588
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 8: that's going on in front of you, or just why

589
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 8: are you restating something that's been answered? It's uh, yeah,

590
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 8: see see what you guys have done.

591
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Speaker 5: I'm blaming Greg Susan because I told I told Greg

592
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: during the break, don't do this, because we're gonna end

593
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: off on a tangent. It's people are going to be

594
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 5: screaming at us for being too negative.

595
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: All right, well Susan etiquette.

596
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, look, I'll take the blame and

597
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: I'll also take the responsibility of steering this vehicle. Back

598
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: on the baseball subject, So before we even get into

599
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: anything with last night and Tony Vytello's first win, it

600
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: seemed just like there was this giant weight lifted off

601
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Speaker 2: of everyone's shoulders. And you can understand the reasons why,

602
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: but I also want to get your perspective on just

603
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: the first week and the mood that was in that

604
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: clubhouse and in those press conferences where you had all

605
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: these festivities, you had multiple openings. The Giants obviously did

606
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: not produce offensively anything close to the way that they

607
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: wanted to, and Tony Vtello, being a guy who wears

608
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: his emotions on his sleeve.

609
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: You know, you could feel this kind.

610
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: Of heaviness even just tuning into media and reading articles

611
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: and seeing videos online.

612
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: What was it like being in.

613
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Speaker 2: That atmosphere where, yes, it was three out of one

614
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two, but also maybe due to a

615
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: lot of the pageantry and festivities and the new manager

616
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: and the storylines, it kind of felt like a little

617
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: bit more than that.

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Speaker 8: It absolutely did. There was a very strange the whole

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Speaker 8: you know, just a three game little homestand but the

620
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 8: whole thing felt a little bit strange, a little bit

621
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Speaker 8: of the wrong word. But there was just so much

622
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Speaker 8: going on, especially the first two two different openers, and

623
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Speaker 8: Netflix and the Yankees always heightening everything. And then the

624
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Speaker 8: Tony vai Tello's storyline, which is, look, that's a legit

625
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 8: storyline is you know, nationally and locally, it hasn't been

626
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 8: done before. And then a team doesn't score for two games.

627
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 8: That kind of lends itself to like everything doesn't feel

628
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 8: quite right, and there's even more focus on it. That

629
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Speaker 8: happens in the middle of the season. We all know fans,

630
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 8: the fans, even the fans that are doing the biggest

631
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 8: knee jerk reactions to this. They know, in the middle

632
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 8: of the season, if you lose three in a row,

633
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 8: nobody's worried about it. Two shutouts in a row, you

634
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 8: go like, that's not great. Maybe there's some questions about

635
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 8: the office, but you're not losing your mind over it.

636
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 8: You're not going like you're not calling for the front

637
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 8: office to be fired or a new manager or anything

638
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 8: like that. There were so many ridiculous takes in social

639
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 8: media and even some with the media. I you know,

640
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 8: I've seen a few things that kind of more like that,

641
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 8: the aggregator crowd, but uh yeah, just a really crazy

642
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 8: responses to you know, just three games, a lot a

643
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 8: lot right on. But it just feel weird. It was

644
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 8: a strain. It did not feel normal. I think everybody

645
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 8: is hoping, and probably Tony Bytella more than anybody, that

646
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 8: we can just kind of get into a nice little

647
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 8: routine a group and everybody can feel comfortable and the

648
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 8: Giants can come back home and it's just normal. Normal

649
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 8: would be great.

650
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no question, susan to keep it on, Tony, Uh

651
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Speaker 5: just what what of the first three games, or even

652
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Speaker 5: the first four games, now that that that they picked

653
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: up the win last night. Has Has there been anything

654
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: maybe that's that surprised you just in terms of, uh,

655
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: you know, a decision or or just how the how

656
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: the club has been managed, you know, by him. Is

657
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 5: there anything that maybe you didn't expect that you've sort

658
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: of seen? Again, I'm not asking you to make a

659
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 5: grandiose impression through four games, but but what did anything

660
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: stand out to you that was maybe a surprise above

661
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: other things.

662
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 8: Nothing super egregious, like little things in the first few games.

663
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 8: I you know, I would have liked him to use

664
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Speaker 8: his bench in that late in that first game, just

665
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 8: to kind of get everybody current.

666
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

667
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 8: He himself admitted he you know, in the game three

668
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 8: it would have been great to pitch around judge. That's

669
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 8: pretty pretty evident, uh I. I am a little surprised

670
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 8: that Casey Schmidt has been at first every day, especially

671
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 8: with an offense that's underproduced, particularly in those first three games.

672
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 8: I wouldn't mind seeing Jerar and Karnacion gets him rots.

673
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 8: You know, he does play first base, He's not quite

674
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 8: as good at Casey Smith is such such a good

675
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 8: defensive player, but you know, Gerard is not going to

676
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 8: kill you get the bat in there, especially with the

677
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 8: offense kind of flailing this. This lineup is a good lineup,

678
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 8: and we spent the whole spring writing about the lineup

679
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 8: is going to be better, They're going to score runs.

680
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 6: I fully believe that this was.

681
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Speaker 8: They got a really good pictures to start off with,

682
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 8: and there was so much going on. That's an asterisk

683
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 8: to me, so but I you know, even so, maybe

684
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 8: mix it up a little throw Juar out there. I

685
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 8: think everybody's looking forward to when Raphael Devers can play

686
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 8: in the field. I don't think it's very far away,

687
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 8: and they can get Incarnacion back in there, have a

688
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 8: little bit of a bigger bat and more kind of

689
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 8: what we were envisioning the lineup to look like.

690
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Speaker 2: Well, on that note of the lineup, Susan, what you

691
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: think of yesterday before the game when it came out,

692
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: I mean we were kind of projecting, like, Oh, I

693
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: really liked when Jung Huley led off and he got

694
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: a little more production.

695
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: I would expect to see that again.

696
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: Instead, we got Luisa rise as a great contact hitter,

697
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: hitting and cleanup. Williadamis leading off was he hadn't done

698
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: since his time in Tampa Bay, but to his credit,

699
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: he did get a single and kind of get things going.

700
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: So what'd you make of just kind of the unusual

701
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: early tinkering there from Tony?

702
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a little bit of a surprise, you know.

703
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 8: I most of these guys can hit anywhere, and really

704
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 8: it's just a sort of the first couple of innings

705
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 8: that it matters, you know, and then it really doesn't.

706
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 8: For me. It's more like who's hitting behind whom, who's

707
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 8: you know, what order, whether it's left right, how vulnerable

708
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 8: they might be to you know, really left handed relievers,

709
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 8: that kind of thing. But yes, it was different. Now

710
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 8: the Willie obviously wasn't entirely thrilled to get pinched run

711
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 8: for the night before so two days before. So I

712
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 8: don't know, I don't think that was like, hey, well

713
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 8: now you're hitting lead off. But I did find that

714
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 8: timing a little bit funny. I thought the same thing funny, right.

715
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: I thought the same thing, like, oh, somebody's going to

716
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 5: make something of that, Like did did they?

717
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: And I did?

718
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 5: Willy go in and they yelled at each other and

719
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 5: and and Vitello said, I'm joking. And Vitello said, all right,

720
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 5: you can hit lead off the next game. But I

721
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 5: kid again, that's kidding, but I think our minds went

722
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 5: in the same in the same spot. Uh. How do

723
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 5: you think they use, Susan that the d H spot

724
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 5: when Devers can play first base?

725
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 4: Is it?

726
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 5: Is it gonna be a lot of incarnacion? Is it

727
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: gonna Is it gonna be the the floating spot, which

728
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 5: can kind of be beneficial, uh to keeping guys off

729
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: their feet and maybe getting a hot, hot bat in

730
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 5: from time to time.

731
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Speaker 8: I think this is just me. I think it's in

732
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 8: carnacion until it's elderge frankly, okay, you know, with a

733
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 8: little bit of floating, you know, the DH is always

734
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 8: a great spot to give a guy if you want

735
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 8: to give him a break from you know, give his

736
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 8: legs a little bit of a breaks in the field

737
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 8: kind of thing. Uh. But I think in general it

738
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 8: would mostly be incarnassium, Susan.

739
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: Uh. Why do you think Willia Damas and Raphael Devers

740
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: are off to a bit of slower starts? I know

741
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: there was a lot made about last year and how

742
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: was a new change of scenery for Willia Damas. It

743
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: was a middle of the season change of scenery for Devs,

744
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: and I guess in the case of Devers's nurse that hamstring,

745
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: which is why he's not playing defensively. But Damas has

746
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: kind of been someone throughout his career that, Yes, it's

747
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: only four games in, but he's sort of routinely been

748
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: a slow starter. And I know he was able to

749
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: pick it up last year to where he hit that

750
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: marker of thirty home runs. But this is also a

751
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: guy based on the money that he was paid, that

752
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: this lineup's really going to need to produce.

753
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he'll be fine. He does start a

754
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 8: little bit slowly, really just gonna when a full lineup

755
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 8: isn't doing much, it kind of basically spreads throughout, and

756
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 8: as soon as somebody starts hitting, I think almost everybody

757
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 8: will start hitting. I'm not worried really specifically about anybody

758
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 8: in the lineup, but especially Willie. I think Willy's fine.

759
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 8: He looked fine during the spring. You know he knows

760
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 8: what he's doing. This is just a little blip I

761
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 8: think for everybody, and as you mentioned, you got to

762
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 8: hit yesterday. I think he's We're not going to see

763
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 8: what we saw last year, which was essentially two months

764
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 8: of absolute struggling. Look, I could be wrong, of course,

765
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 8: but I don't see.

766
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 5: It, Susan. The number one headline last night, beyond Tony

767
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 5: Vayitello getting his first big league win, was Land and

768
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 5: Roup and just how outstanding he was through six innings

769
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: with the seven strikeouts. What is your sense for what

770
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: the ceiling could be for Roup? Because he's got the

771
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: strikeout stuff when he's on, and I know there's been

772
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: some question marks about the back end of the Giants' rotation,

773
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 5: but they got to be feeling pretty good about him

774
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 5: going out there against that lineup and looking that good.

775
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 8: I really have been so impressed with Land and roops

776
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 8: route going back to last year. You know, he getting

777
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 8: hit by that line drive at San Diego last year,

778
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 8: ending his season. Essentially that underrated hurt the Giants down

779
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 8: the stretch, you know, and they really only missed by

780
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 8: a couple of games making the playoffs and finishing above

781
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 8: five hundred. That didn't help, you know, it really didn't.

782
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 8: So you know, we've seen how good he can be

783
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 8: when he's on, and even when he's off. I think

784
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 8: the more important thing is he still manages to limit

785
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 8: damage he pitches, you know, like he's a more mature

786
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 8: pitcher than he actually is he's so young, but he

787
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 8: really doesn't let games, you know, for the most part,

788
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 8: get away from him. He doesn't have a ton of

789
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 8: beginnings where you know, he struggles to get that lasted out.

790
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 8: He really is a pretty sophisticated starter and at a

791
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 8: young age. So I love this stuff and I love

792
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 8: the approach.

793
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: All right, A couple more for you, Susan.

794
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: So we were saying early on in the show, one

795
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: of our takeaways was great win for the Giants, and

796
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: it was also a reminder that when they do win games,

797
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: it's more likely than not going to be in the

798
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: fashion of having to do it in a close way.

799
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: How quickly do you think Tony Vaiitella would be to

800
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: make a change at the closer spot if Ryan Walker

801
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: continues to struggle, because I don't think that the fact

802
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: that he put Ryan Walker out there, nobody's looking at

803
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: that through the lens of Tony Vitello. It's more in

804
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: the context of, hey, can Ryan Walker be our closer?

805
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: But if he continues to struggle, then they are going

806
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: to start putting him under the microscope. In conjunction with

807
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: Tony Vitello and the decisions to put him out there

808
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: obviously managing a bullpen is going to be one of

809
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: the big tests for Tony as he does this major

810
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: league thing for the first time.

811
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 8: It's such a good question. I honestly, I don't know.

812
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 8: We don't know Tony Vitello well enough to know if

813
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 8: he's got kind of a quick trigger for things like that. Yeah,

814
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 8: I also unclear who the candidate to be closer would be.

815
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 8: If it's not Ryan Walker, Eric Miller. I'm not sure

816
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 8: they want going back to back very often, given some

817
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 8: of his health stuff, his back and obviously rehabing an

818
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 8: elbow spring last year. That's always a little bit of

819
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 8: a concern for a guy who throws hard. Now, Mason

820
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 8: Miller did that three years ago with the A's, rehad

821
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 8: a pretty significant elbow spring and came back, was All

822
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 8: Star each of the last two years and this phenomenal.

823
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 8: But you still, you know, you want to be careful.

824
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 8: So I'm not necessarily convinced that they wouldn't want to

825
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 8: quit Eric Miller in that role, and he's so valuable.

826
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 6: Where he is.

827
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 8: But he could do it, certainly, Bhutto could probably do it.

828
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 8: I just don't. I just don't know if anyone jumps out.

829
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 8: I think Ryan Walker probably gets a little bit of

830
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 8: a leash here, but I don't know how much.

831
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: Well, And it's interesting because the name that's popped up today,

832
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 5: based on last night and based on the early part

833
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: of the season that the first three outings is is

834
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 5: Keaton Win with the strikeouts and he strikes out the

835
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 5: side last night in the eighth that that's been the

836
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 5: name among the fan base. I'll tell you from from today,

837
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: how close or far away would would would you think

838
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 5: he'd be to be somebody that could could be in

839
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 5: that mix.

840
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 8: You know, it's just not really a role he's done before,

841
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 8: and I would think it would be well, the stuff,

842
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 8: the stuff. Sure, you know we've seen flashes from him.

843
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 8: That's really been the health for Keaton Win and making

844
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: sure he could be a regular big league reliever or contribute.

845
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 8: I mean, he's been a starter. I'm sure he can

846
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 8: do it well. Look, we talked a lot about Hayden

847
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 8: bird Song as a potential closer at some point, you know,

848
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 8: if he if he moved into the bullpen full time.

849
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 8: I just think that he that Keaton Winn probably needs

850
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 8: more time just simply to learn how to be a

851
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 8: big league reliever before he gets moved into, you know,

852
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: the most important important spot in the bullpen. Could he

853
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 8: handle it? I'm sure he could, but I just I

854
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 8: think he probably there's a few steps I think in

855
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 8: between there and look, I think everybody holsts it doesn't

856
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 8: come to that. I think everybody would like to see

857
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: Ryan Walker succeed. He can he get you know, he

858
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 8: looks he makes it close last night, but he gets

859
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 8: out of it. So let's not panic on Ryan Walker

860
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 8: quite yet.

861
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: Susan always appreciates you coming by, and don't worry, we'll

862
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: have more fun with the Pet Peeve related column even

863
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: after we let you off the air, because come on

864
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: radio is fun.

865
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: JD.

866
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: I know, I know we're going to do it.

867
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 2: No, maybe we won't, but either way, appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: by and we'll talk to you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 8: As always, fantastic, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Susan Slusser read her in the San Francisco Chronicle. You

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Speaker 2: her on the um My guest line. All right, we'll

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Speaker 2: revisit a lot of this discussion when we come on back.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Thompson is going to join us at twelve fifty.

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Speaker 2: And then before we're out of here, at some point

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Speaker 2: before it hits two o'clock, we got to do a

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Speaker 2: little check in on everything that's going down in Arizona. No,

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Speaker 2: not with the Cardinals with John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan, Jed

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Speaker 2: York and the offseason for the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 4: It's Papa and Silver with jd On the Sports Leader

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