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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It's silver JD. Walter with you here on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We'll take you up till two o'clock and then the

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Speaker 2: Land and Roop is going to be joining Dirty Work

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Speaker 2: early today, which means they got to be on their

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Speaker 2: own clock. But guess what, Walter, that sounds like a

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Speaker 2: tim problem. Yeah, I'm good with the clock. We're a

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Speaker 2: good clock management show. And it is time always at

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Speaker 2: this juncture in the week. When we talked to Susan

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Speaker 2: Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Last time we talked

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Speaker 2: to Susan, it was a lot of speculation. This time

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Speaker 2: we actually got four baseball games to digest, and she

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Speaker 2: joins us on the UMA guest line, How are you,

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Speaker 2: Susan great?

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Speaker 3: How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing well.

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Speaker 2: We actually were just having fun in the last segment

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Speaker 2: with the theme of the column that you just put

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Speaker 2: out about the pet peeves of the Giants players and

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Speaker 2: that's a good way to get to know their personality,

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Speaker 2: and we were just kind of going down.

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Speaker 1: The pet peeve rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll just start by asking as a beat

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Speaker 2: writer in the sport of baseball, where it's just a

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Speaker 2: six month grind, daily lot of travel. You've been doing

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Speaker 2: this for so long, would you say your biggest pet

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Speaker 2: peeve is when we get to the season and you're

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Speaker 2: back on the routine.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I have so many, just like writ

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Speaker 3: like beat writers, A little tiny pet piece. I could

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Speaker 3: probably go on all day and people wouldn't really care

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Speaker 3: about it. But I do think that people that watch

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Speaker 3: a lot of interviews with like group interview sessions or

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Speaker 3: post games stuff like that, will agree with me. I

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Speaker 3: hate the performative question. The I know more than you

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Speaker 3: do talk sort of sound like when you're talking talking

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Speaker 3: to somebody who obviously knows way more than you do.

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Speaker 3: We're just writers, we're just media members, but sort of

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Speaker 3: like the I'm going to preface this with a whole

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Speaker 3: bunch of information about what I know and what do

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Speaker 3: you think? I hate that it's kind of time wastar too,

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Speaker 3: and you can you can see and almost feel people

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Speaker 3: don't care for that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would also imagine that in today's day

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Speaker 2: and age, all the aggregating accounts on social media where

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Speaker 2: it's like Greg Silver says, on K and b R,

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Speaker 2: Susan Slusser hates no, it alls and she hates everyone.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's accurate. But yes, if someone wants to aggregate,

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Speaker 3: that go for it. But yeah, anregations in general drives

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Speaker 3: you know, especially if like the legacy media or whatever,

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Speaker 3: It's putting a lot of outlets out of business. Uh

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Speaker 3: and once we all got a business, what are they

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Speaker 3: going to aggregate? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's always interesting, Susan, because it's along the lines

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Speaker 4: of your pet peeve. One of mine is those who

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Speaker 4: ask a question just to hear themselves ask a question,

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Speaker 4: which I think is kind of a different that's a

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Speaker 4: you always want to ask a question and participate and

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Speaker 4: have something that can further a conversation, but you don't

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Speaker 4: want to just you're better off not asking the question

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Speaker 4: if you're only asking the question to hear yourself on

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Speaker 4: the microphone, on on the you know, somebody's YouTube feed,

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Speaker 4: or on NBC Sports area afterwards, which it feels like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like I'm here, I need to

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Speaker 3: like why you're like are you not how are you

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Speaker 3: not paying attention to this thing that's going on in

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Speaker 3: that's been answered? It's uh, yeah, see, see what you

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Speaker 4: I'm blaming Greg Susan because I told I told Greg

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Speaker 4: off on a tangent. People are going to be screaming

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Speaker 1: All right, well Susan etiquette.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, look, I'll take the blame and

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Speaker 2: I'll also take the responsibility of steering this vehicle back

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Speaker 2: on the baseball subject. So before we even get into

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Speaker 2: these festivities, you had multiple openings, the Giants obviously did

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Speaker 2: this kind of heaviness even just tuning into media and

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Speaker 2: being in that atmosphere where yes, it was three out

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Speaker 3: It absolutely did. There was a very strange the whole

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Speaker 3: whole thing felt a little bit strange, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of maybe the wrong word, but there was just so

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Speaker 3: then the Tony Vaiella's storyline, which is, look, it's a

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Speaker 3: legit storyline is you know, nationally and locally, it hasn't

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Speaker 3: been done before. And then a team doesn't score for

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Speaker 3: two games. That kind of lends itself to like everything

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Speaker 3: all know fans, the fans, even the fans that are

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the season, if you lose three

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Speaker 3: some questions about the office, but you're not losing your

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Speaker 3: just a really crazy responses to you know, just three

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Speaker 3: I think everybody is hoping, and probably Tony Bytella more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no question, susan to keep it on, Tony, Just

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Speaker 4: maybe you didn't expect that you've sort of seen. Again,

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Speaker 4: I'm not asking you to make a grandiose impression through

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Speaker 3: Nothing super egregious, like little things in the first few games.

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Speaker 3: I you know, I would have liked him to use

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Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised that Casey Schmidt has been at

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Speaker 3: in those first three games. I wouldn't wind seeing Jerar

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Speaker 3: Gerar is not going to kill you. Get the bat

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Speaker 3: This lineup is a good lineup. We spent the whole

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Speaker 3: going to score runs. I fully believe that this was.

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Speaker 3: They got a couple of really good pitchers to start

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Speaker 3: maybe mix it up a little. Throw Jaar out there.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's looking forward to when Raphael Devers can

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Speaker 2: Well, on that note of the lineup, Susan, what do

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Speaker 2: I mean we were kind of projecting like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: really liked when Jung Hully led off and he got

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Speaker 2: Instead we got Luisa rise as a great contact hitter,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a little bit of a surprise, you know.

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Speaker 3: I most of these guys can hit anywhere, and really

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Speaker 3: It's more like who's hitting behind whom, who's you know

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Speaker 3: of thing. But yes, it was different. Now the Willie

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Speaker 3: I don't think that was like, hey, well now I're

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Speaker 3: hitting light lead off. But I did find that timing

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Speaker 1: I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Right, I thought the same thing, like, well, somebody's going

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Speaker 4: to make something of that, like did did they?

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Speaker 1: And I did?

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Speaker 4: Willy go in and they yelled at each other and

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Speaker 4: and and Vitello said, I'm joking, and Vitello said, all right,

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Speaker 4: kid again, that's one kidding. But I think our minds

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Speaker 4: you think they used, Susan, that the d H spot

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Speaker 4: it gonna be the the floating spot, which can kind

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Speaker 4: and maybe getting a hot hot bat in from time

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Speaker 4: It, Susan. The number one headline last night, beyond Tony

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Speaker 1: All right, A couple more for you, Susan.

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Speaker 2: So we were saying early on in the show one

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Speaker 3: It's such a good question. I honestly, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting because the name that's popped up today,

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just not really a role he's done before,

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Speaker 3: sure he did, but I just I think he probably

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Speaker 3: I think everybody hosts it doesn't come to that. I

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Speaker 3: think everybody would like to see Ryan Walker succeed. He

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Speaker 3: can he get you know, he looks he makes it

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Speaker 2: Susan always appreciates you coming by, and don't worry, we'll

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Speaker 2: have more fun with the Pet Peeve related column even

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Speaker 2: after we let you off the air, because come on

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Speaker 2: radio is fun.

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Speaker 4: JD.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know we're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: No, maybe we won't, but either way, appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: by and we'll talk to you next Tuesday as always.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, Thanks you guys,