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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. Around the ground zone

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<v Speaker 3>towards the middle. Terrain cuts it off.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Milwaukee Bulls with one of the all-time World

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<v Speaker 1>Series beatdowns. 10-1. They out-hit Tampa Bay 16-3.

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<v Speaker 3>The roar of the crowd. And they're one point away

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<v Speaker 3>from the first World Series title in franchise history. You

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<v Speaker 3>got to love a home game. Except it wasn't. They

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<v Speaker 3>were at Tampa Bay, and it was striking watching the game,

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<v Speaker 3>how numerous and loud the Brewers fans were. They took

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<v Speaker 3>over the damn stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they were playing.

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<v Speaker 4>The Yankees or somebody that got more attention or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>because the Brewers are an unbelievable baseball team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's going to be kind of lost to history

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<v Speaker 4>unless you're a big baseball fan, because it's not... you know,

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<v Speaker 4>against a premier team are getting a lot of attention.

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<v Speaker 4>They are really, really good. I was just reading the

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<v Speaker 4>thing about how they play baseball, you know, the way.

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<v Speaker 2>People enjoy it. Lots of hits. Try to make contact.

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<v Speaker 2>Get on base.

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<v Speaker 3>Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, all the stuff that's exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny because the world somehow got convinced that strikeout, strikeout, strikeout,

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<v Speaker 3>home run. Strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, home run

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<v Speaker 3>was what people wanted. Not constant action on the bases

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<v Speaker 3>and bases being stolen and guys trying to advance and all. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>it's super fun to watch. But I thought this was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Tampa Bay, which scrapes the bottom in attendance every year.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like perennial bottom five for some reason.

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<v Speaker 3>They're building a new stadium. Maybe that'll help because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful place, St. Pete, to go see a baseball game.

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<v Speaker 3>But the least expensive ticket. Like a standing room only

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<v Speaker 3>on the secondary market for the first two games in

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<v Speaker 3>Milwaukee was about $ 2, 500 just to get in the stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>The least expensive ticket at the trop, as they say, $ 500.

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<v Speaker 3>One-fifth of that. So Milwaukee fans are like, hell yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to fly down. I'm going to stay a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of nights in a hotel. I'm going to buy tickets,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's going to cost me less than the damn

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<v Speaker 3>home games. So they flooded down there. That's a road game.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, when you've been a long-suffering sports fan in any

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<v Speaker 4>town and your team finally catches fire and gets their day,

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<v Speaker 4>it's very exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I knew there was one more thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to say. The stadium where Milwaukee plays at home sold

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<v Speaker 3>out for people to watch the game on a screen. Wow. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>now that's an enthusiastic fan base. You gotta love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's what I'll do when I'm old. Retired.

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<v Speaker 4>When teams catch fire, I will just go be a

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<v Speaker 4>fan there for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll buy the gear, man. I'll spend the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the enthusiasm in a town, especially if you haven't

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<v Speaker 4>won in a long time, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fun. Everybody's friendly. Everybody's wearing the gear. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just the positive feelings are good. It reminds me

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<v Speaker 3>of what it's like to be a human being again,

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<v Speaker 3>where people would gather and be together and be part

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<v Speaker 3>of a community, whatever community, even if it's a somewhat

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<v Speaker 3>artificial one rooting for a bunch of Venezuelans to play baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, that was great. So speaking of popular culture,

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<v Speaker 3>I also I fulfilled my vow and went to see

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<v Speaker 3>the hit documentary. You can see everything yesterday. The Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've got to slow down right here because I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know how many texts we got the other day

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<v Speaker 4>when I was raving about this movie because I saw

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<v Speaker 4>it Saturday night. People say you never mentioned the name

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<v Speaker 4>of the movie, but you keep talking. The name of

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<v Speaker 4>the movie is you can see everything. That's not just

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<v Speaker 4>a phrase we're throwing into the review.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. It's not just a comment about the bloke in

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<v Speaker 3>the shower. It's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not. It's the name of the movie. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's the movie. You can see everything. And no spoilers,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way. Absolutely no spoilers here. I've thought this through.

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<v Speaker 4>Which I find it tough to do because practically everything

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<v Speaker 4>was a spoiler to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to drive by, give you the drive-by assessment.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a fascinating bit of filmmaking. Riveting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for its length.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it's speaking of that. Go ahead. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say, maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to contradict that and not agree. I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to say, for a movie that long, I was

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<v Speaker 4>surprised that it kept my attention the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>Manage your bladder folks. That was going to be like

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<v Speaker 3>having a window seat on a long flight.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my situation.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to go get popcorn and I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll pick a point where I thought, and I thought, God,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no moment I want to miss here because there's

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<v Speaker 4>too much information coming out.

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<v Speaker 3>God knows what's going to pop up in the next

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<v Speaker 3>60 seconds. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to miss this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Anyway. So I thought it was, it was fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>It is long. Uh, so again, manage your bladder, uh, appropriately. Um,

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<v Speaker 3>Super interesting. And after it's been out for a while,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we'll have a discussion about it and take some

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<v Speaker 3>emails and stuff. But I wouldn't want to ruin it

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<v Speaker 3>for people.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I wouldn't either, because a lot of the enjoyment

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<v Speaker 4>is just it's not at all what I was expecting anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Humans, man. What are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>But as I tweeted out the other day, it's so

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<v Speaker 4>many different topics because when I explain it to some

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<v Speaker 4>people who are not into it, it's like. corporate fraud's

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<v Speaker 4>not my genre for movies to go to. No, it's

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<v Speaker 4>every bit. It's, it's Shakespearean. That's why I said it's Shakespearean.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, it's all of human, of human life, relationships, honesty, greed, sex,

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<v Speaker 4>everything that exists in human life is in that, in

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<v Speaker 4>that show.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that award winning documentary that came out, um,

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<v Speaker 3>oh gosh, it was probably 15, 20 years ago now,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was something, something crazy, extra fast or what

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<v Speaker 3>was the title? It was four different documentaries about four

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<v Speaker 3>different people who have different passions. And that it finally

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<v Speaker 3>dawned on me because I'm a bit slow witted after

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<v Speaker 3>watching that, that every documentary is about humans and, and, and,

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<v Speaker 3>exploring their fascination through their eyes, you don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>be a clock repair enthusiast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not about clock repair.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about passion. And it finally dawned on me, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I've become a much bigger fan of documentaries now

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<v Speaker 3>because I used to, like a half-wit, think, well, I

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<v Speaker 3>have no interest in banana gathering.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that what it's about? Him and his wife and

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<v Speaker 4>his kids and his aspirations and blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a confused look on your face? Oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>not a confused look. Are you talking bigger, stronger, faster?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, I really enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been ages since I had to watch it again. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right. The blind moles. I'd forgotten about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. My brother's going today. I've tried.

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<v Speaker 4>I've convinced so many people to go before the spoilers

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<v Speaker 4>hit them. And I was getting texts from numerous people yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to the movie is like, oh, my God,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't believe that. responses to various parts of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>There were more laughs than I expected.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>In a way. So speaking of popular culture, as we

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<v Speaker 3>bop from topic to topic, this is so interesting. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>reading Peter Boghossian's screed of late. You've probably seen this

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<v Speaker 3>French woman on social media, blonde hair gal, um kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a pointy nose i don't know she's standing in

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<v Speaker 3>front of an orange road sign a couple other signs

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<v Speaker 3>um and she is begging rioters um i'll say in

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<v Speaker 3>england in english why are you doing this what's the

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<v Speaker 3>point of doing this this is not the cause that's

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<v Speaker 3>not what this is about and then referring to a

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<v Speaker 3>lone employee inside a shop that they're attempting to break

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<v Speaker 3>into and loot um he's all alone. Stop. Stop doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the looters respond, it's snack time, which refers

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<v Speaker 3>to the traditional French after-school snack. Take the wine, all

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<v Speaker 3>of it. I've got my groceries. There's shampoo. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>want some ice cream? And someone pulls her back, an

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<v Speaker 3>off-camera voice yells, you're going to get hurt, telling her

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<v Speaker 3>to stop, just get out of their way. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's an interesting exchange and powerful exchange. And the shop

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<v Speaker 3>owner told the Daily Mail, I don't know her name.

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<v Speaker 3>She just comes here now and then. And that's all

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<v Speaker 3>we know. But in the way social media does, and

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<v Speaker 3>this happens to be on the right, multiple narratives and

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<v Speaker 3>versions of this have cropped up with Photoshopping or AI

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<v Speaker 3>touch-ups or whatever. Visigrad 24, which I follow on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 3>called her a left wing protester in the looters. Second

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<v Speaker 3>and third generation migrants also said they told her to

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<v Speaker 3>shut up because they had urgent shopping. Neither exchange is

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<v Speaker 3>in the clip and other claims are unverified. Clay Travis

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<v Speaker 3>said it's her store and that France has a left

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<v Speaker 3>wing government. Both are false. They do have a left

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<v Speaker 3>wing government, though, compared to so Bogosian for France. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not a left wing government. I think for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the world, it's left-wing government. But let's not get

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<v Speaker 3>hung up. This other Twitter identity, I guess, said she

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<v Speaker 3>voted to let them in. Nothing really supports this. Although

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<v Speaker 3>she hints at it with her, this is not the cause.

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<v Speaker 3>But she voted what? She voted to let them in,

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<v Speaker 3>another says. This other account called her an activist and

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<v Speaker 3>boutique owner. who is spat on and trampled. Nothing supports

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<v Speaker 3>any of that. And it goes on. I've got a

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<v Speaker 3>list 15 deep.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody should be forced to learn about the French Revolution,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like most revolutions, like almost all of the

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<v Speaker 4>Arab Spring, for instance.

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<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 2>More people need to learn about revolutions.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe the problem we have in the United States is

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<v Speaker 4>we have the almost only example of a revolution ending

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<v Speaker 4>up the way it ended up without lots and lots

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<v Speaker 4>of good people being killed in the street by crazy people.

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<v Speaker 4>We're like the only example. So in our heads, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>and for a lot of the world who hears about

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<v Speaker 4>the American Revolution, that's what you think revolutions are.

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<v Speaker 2>That ain't the way it usually works.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

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<v Speaker 3>that our revolution wasn't a revolution, it was an insurrection.

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<v Speaker 3>real time. So the idea, as Jack pointed out, and

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<v Speaker 3>you're 100% right, and people need to understand, that's like

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<v Speaker 3>a miracle what happened in our revolution. But it happened

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<v Speaker 3>because you had a system based on English common law,

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<v Speaker 3>the Magna Carta, the Judeo-Christian principles of representative government, of

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<v Speaker 3>no taxation without representation. We all agreed on that with Britain. Then, again,

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<v Speaker 3>read Tim Sandefur's unbelievably great book, Proclaiming Liberty. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so good. You will learn so much. But what

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<v Speaker 3>happened was Britain in Parliament at the time Went away

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<v Speaker 3>with all that. Went away from all that. They perverted it.

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<v Speaker 3>They twisted it. They stopped it. And so the founding

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<v Speaker 3>fathers said, we want to return to all of these

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<v Speaker 3>precepts we've all assumed would keep going. And so we

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<v Speaker 3>booted the British out and reinstalled those precepts with some tweaks,

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<v Speaker 3>some definite tweaks. But the assumptions about government and mankind

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<v Speaker 3>and the rest of it, we substituted a better system

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<v Speaker 3>for what should have been a pretty decent system. Unlike

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<v Speaker 3>virtually every other revolution on Earth where you chuck everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Or one faction decides, here's our chance. Like one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most powerful states would have decided, here we go. And,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, F your constitutional Congress. Now it's the Virginia

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<v Speaker 4>is the name of the whole thing. And we've got

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<v Speaker 4>an army in the street making sure you do things

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<v Speaker 4>the way we want to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because whoever is the most vicious wins and the best

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<v Speaker 3>armed wins. That's 98% of revolution.

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<v Speaker 4>How do the people in the streets in France not

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<v Speaker 4>know about the French Revolution and how you always end

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<v Speaker 4>up turning on each other? You might have the most

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<v Speaker 4>idealistic causes that everyone would agree with in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 4>but the bad guys don't necessarily agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Because their schools stink like blue cheese. That's what these

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<v Speaker 3>protests started about.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have any thoughts on that, text line 415-295-KFTC.

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<v Speaker 5>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the things that Gadiaz and Gadiaz said is

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<v Speaker 6>within 18 months of him taking office, Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Will no longer exist. To the applause of the crowd here.

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<v Speaker 4>Over the past few days, tens of thousands of Israelis

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<v Speaker 4>have flown in from overseas, many to vote against Netanyahu.

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<v Speaker 4>That's an interesting thing because I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>Israelis don't live in the country. And so tens of

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<v Speaker 4>thousands flying back to Israel just so they can vote.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just looking up at the TV. Voting is

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<v Speaker 4>going on right now. It's their first national election since

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<v Speaker 4>October 7th, 2023. Highest turnout in 50 years. That they

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<v Speaker 4>got going on right now. And this guy that is

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<v Speaker 4>leading in the polls, though, nobody has a big enough

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<v Speaker 4>lead that they're going to be able to form a

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<v Speaker 4>government easily because they get the whole parliamentary system that

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<v Speaker 4>I barely understand. But they say it's going to take

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<v Speaker 4>weeks or months to figure out how this has all

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<v Speaker 4>come together. But this Gaddy Eskin, Eisencott. As you just

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<v Speaker 4>heard there, he vowed Hamas won't exist at all within

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<v Speaker 4>18 months of me taking over. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>the crowd that is anti-Bibi, who thinks that the, using

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<v Speaker 4>my finger quotes, genocide in Gaza is going to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>will be over. Thank God if you booed out Netanyahu. No,

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<v Speaker 4>this guy is hardcore. We're cleaning out Gaza. Hamas is over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see how that turns out.

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<v Speaker 3>You wanted a two-state solution?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's anti-two-state solution.

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<v Speaker 3>It went away on October 3rd, 23, for good.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's completely against that idea.

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<v Speaker 3>So is Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good point.

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<v Speaker 3>So is Hezbollah. So is the PLO. So is the PLA.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who doesn't want a two-state solution?

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<v Speaker 4>Freaking Hamas. That should be mentioned every time the conversation

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<v Speaker 4>comes up. The official government, or at least until, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>October 7th, of Gaza, Hamas, doesn't believe in a two-state solution.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, they don't believe a Jew should be alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That is something.

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<v Speaker 4>Highs turned out in 50 years, so you'd have to

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<v Speaker 4>go back to 76? That's like, you know, they're still

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<v Speaker 4>fighting wars against the surrounding countries back then, so.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, speaking of foreign elections, were you going to dive

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<v Speaker 3>into anything? The big Brazil election is getting a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of attention, too. Brazil's a gigantic country, an important one

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<v Speaker 3>in our hemisphere. But so the socialist, what do they

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<v Speaker 3>call him? What's his nickname? Lola? She was a showgirl, whatever. Lula.

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<v Speaker 3>He won, surprising a lot of folks, over a much

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<v Speaker 3>more conservative candidate. But one thing that annoys the crap

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<v Speaker 3>out of me about the coverage of this, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard it 27 times in the lame stream media

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<v Speaker 3>is that the conservative candidate Bolsonaro was suing because of

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<v Speaker 3>a last second judicial order to extend the voting period.

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<v Speaker 3>But every American news network says they're suing over the

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<v Speaker 3>extension to the voting period that both candidates had asked for. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>That is such willful, biased reporting that The conservative guy said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this region has been devastated by flooding. People are having

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<v Speaker 3>trouble getting to the polls. We need to extend it

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<v Speaker 3>in this region. Well, the judge said, yeah, yeah, not

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<v Speaker 3>only that, but let's send more buses into the super

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<v Speaker 3>poor quadrants of the urban places because the government buses

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<v Speaker 3>poor people to the polls to vote. So let's extend that, too.

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<v Speaker 3>And Bolsonaro saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, that came out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no reason for that. That was just an

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<v Speaker 3>effort to beef up the Lula vote. So, if you

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<v Speaker 3>have a lead, sit on the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the coverage of elections in Mississippi is bad if

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<v Speaker 4>you don't live there. So I don't expect it to

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<v Speaker 4>be good in other countries.

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<v Speaker 5>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 4>We have an exciting update and a big story we

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<v Speaker 4>loved back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember this?

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<v Speaker 7>We just wrapped up a one-on-one interview with Stephen Klubeck.

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<v Speaker 7>At one point, he was running for governor of California,

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<v Speaker 7>but he dropped out to endorse Eric Swalwell, a decision

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<v Speaker 7>he clearly regrets.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you suspect this at all?

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<v Speaker 5>No!

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<v Speaker 3>I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 7>A political explosion.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, blown away.

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<v Speaker 7>Billionaire Stephen Klubeck, once a major donor and supporter of

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<v Speaker 7>Eric Swalwell, now publicly turning on him with rage.

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<v Speaker 3>Bad.

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<v Speaker 7>Amid sexual assault allegations.

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<v Speaker 3>I am no longer a Democrat. I'm now a libertarian Republican.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's what a blue dog Democrat used to be.

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<v Speaker 4>So it seems that this morning the FBI raided that

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<v Speaker 4>dude's mansion? Looking for more information on Eric Swalwell, former

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<v Speaker 4>congressman and wannabe president, who did something he shouldn't do.

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<v Speaker 4>It was illegal with sex workers, apparently.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah. One former staffer, a handful of staffers have

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<v Speaker 3>accused him of sexual impropriety, including rape when she was

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<v Speaker 3>too intoxicated to consent. Another woman has accused him of

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<v Speaker 3>drugging and sexually assaulting her in 2018. Others have alleged

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<v Speaker 3>he sent them unsolicited Richard pics.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to see my genitalia?

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<v Speaker 3>Here it is.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the women accused him of something. Is that

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<v Speaker 4>one of the ones that he's on the bed with

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<v Speaker 4>from that video that we watched a million times?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't recall.

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<v Speaker 2>Or rolling around in the bed?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, so Stephen Klubeck, the great, not gay, he's straight. Because,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the other aspect of his act that I

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<v Speaker 3>think is just amazing. is he's come out and said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he can't back Swalwell, he supports women's rights, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the f * * * out of here. That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>He about fell for, in fact, he did fall for,

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<v Speaker 3>the cops saved him from it, this porn star girl

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<v Speaker 3>who convinced this fat old billionaire that she was hot

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<v Speaker 3>for him and was going to marry him and make

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<v Speaker 3>all of his wildest dreams come true, even though she's

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<v Speaker 3>a serial guy bilker. Oh, what a fool. My Lord.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't bust the trust.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's what happened. Swalwell busted the trust. So he's

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<v Speaker 4>living with the gazillionaire. He's living at the gazillionaire's house.

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<v Speaker 4>And this guy apparently thought Swalwell might be president someday.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to be, you know, in like Flynn.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be tied to this dude and all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of cool things will come my way. Well, that

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<v Speaker 4>didn't work out because Swalwell busted the trust. And you

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<v Speaker 4>don't do that. It's my understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't exist in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the FBI raids the Beverly Hills mansion today.

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<v Speaker 4>MSN reporting the raid is linked to a sex worker.

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<v Speaker 4>A senior law enforcement official told the Post. But there's

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<v Speaker 4>a number of other charges, as Joe mentioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>How did this guy make his money, Stephen Klubeck? How

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<v Speaker 4>did he become rich? Because he's kind of a kooky dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, gosh, I can't remember. Some software, another, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, the way his voice cracks at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 4>that one clip, I really like.

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<v Speaker 5>No!

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<v Speaker 3>I was blown away!

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<v Speaker 1>It worked!

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't crack.

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<v Speaker 5>No!

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know this was going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I was blown away! Blown away!

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<v Speaker 4>I'm no longer associated with a man that takes advantage

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<v Speaker 4>of women. I support women's rights, he said when asked

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<v Speaker 4>about the raid this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, good for him.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for him that he realizes the dude's a scumbag

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<v Speaker 4>and boots him out of his home and then starts

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<v Speaker 4>saying wacky things to the press.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see. Klubeck was charged with three felony counts of

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<v Speaker 3>attempting to dissuade or prevent a witness or victim from testifying.

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<v Speaker 3>One misdemeanor count of making annoying phone calls. All charges

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<v Speaker 3>stem from his ex-partner Adva Levy's criminal case in which

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<v Speaker 3>she's accused of using dating apps. to steal from rich

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<v Speaker 3>older men so man he's running a house of madness there.

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<v Speaker 4>Kubek's a little kooky though because who a little who

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<v Speaker 4>tags swalwell as like the next big thing i mean

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<v Speaker 4>what from his maybe he's better behind the scenes but

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<v Speaker 4>his public persona is like you're weak man you are

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<v Speaker 4>weak t But Klubeck, who's one of Swalwell's largest benefactors

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<v Speaker 4>back in the day, spent over a million dollars to

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<v Speaker 4>support Swalwell's... I forgot Swalwell ran for governor in California

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<v Speaker 4>and didn't even get a sniff. Oh, that was just

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<v Speaker 4>before the sex abuse allegations. Klubeck spent a million bucks

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<v Speaker 4>on that. And flew Swalwell to France for some sort of...

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<v Speaker 4>thing to give you it's the sort of thing you

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<v Speaker 4>do spent 31 grand on that sort of thing you

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<v Speaker 4>do you send somebody to france to some conference and

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<v Speaker 4>then they come back and then apparently that gives you

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<v Speaker 4>foreign policy credibility wow so he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Got porn skanks bilking him he's got political connivers and

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<v Speaker 3>hucksters bilking him this guy's just he's a target and

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<v Speaker 3>then they and they busted the trust which again i

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<v Speaker 3>understand you're not supposed to do you don't bust the trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no! What would you do there?

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<v Speaker 5>No!

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<v Speaker 3>I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 4>The weird-voiced benefactor, who now disavowes Swalwell, has had troubles

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<v Speaker 4>of his own. He was about to marry a penthouse

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<v Speaker 4>pet accused of stealing from rich sugar daddies before he

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<v Speaker 4>called it off.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the f * * * out of here. The

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<v Speaker 3>aforementioned porn skank. Yes, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>A penthouse pet? Is that still a thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever that means. No kidding. Who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that?

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<v Speaker 4>So he was he dating her and didn't like somehow

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.379
<v Speaker 4>caught wind that, oh, wait a second. I've noticed in

0:24:24.420 --> 0:24:26.660
<v Speaker 4>your history, you dated a whole bunch of rich guys

0:24:26.700 --> 0:24:27.960
<v Speaker 4>and ended up taking their money.

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<v Speaker 3>And after the law came after her for doing this

0:24:30.619 --> 0:24:34.380
<v Speaker 3>over and over again, he was like, oh, no, she

0:24:34.460 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 3>actually loves me. She hasn't busted the trust because you

0:24:37.540 --> 0:24:40.179
<v Speaker 3>don't bust a trust. But he stood up for her.

0:24:40.180 --> 0:24:43.440
<v Speaker 3>He said, no, we're actually crazy in love. Poor bastard.

0:24:43.780 --> 0:24:46.550
<v Speaker 4>She didn't bust the trust. Because as you know, that's

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<v Speaker 4>a line that there's no crossing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, don't bust the trust. That's I'm getting that tattooed

0:24:52.470 --> 0:24:55.570
<v Speaker 3>on me. All right. So this poor guy, he was

0:24:55.650 --> 0:24:57.250
<v Speaker 3>good at whatever the hell it was. How do you

0:24:57.290 --> 0:24:58.909
<v Speaker 3>somebody figure out how he made his money? Would just

0:24:58.950 --> 0:25:01.170
<v Speaker 3>Stephen Klubeck. He was good at that.

0:25:01.930 --> 0:25:05.410
<v Speaker 4>Great conversation about that on the dispatch podcast yesterday.

0:25:06.050 --> 0:25:07.870
<v Speaker 3>There are no other podcasts. Just ours.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you smart? Necessarily. Just because you were able to

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<v Speaker 2>make a ton of money in some industry.

0:25:16.450 --> 0:25:17.010
<v Speaker 3>Timeshares.

0:25:18.230 --> 0:25:19.130
<v Speaker 2>His thing was timeshares?

0:25:19.230 --> 0:25:22.820
<v Speaker 3>So it was an honorable and fine profession.

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.500
<v Speaker 2>And they were using the example of Trump or Ramaswamy.

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<v Speaker 3>Or no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh....

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, Ramaswamy Vivek, like, you know, with that crazy

0:25:34.050 --> 0:25:35.730
<v Speaker 4>ad that he put out, like who would think that

0:25:35.770 --> 0:25:37.469
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't going to backfire on you? So they're having

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:40.920
<v Speaker 4>a conversation. Well, he became a billionaire. I've always gone

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.439
<v Speaker 4>with the you don't become a billionaire accidentally. You got

0:25:43.460 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 4>to be damn sharp to be able to do that.

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.460
<v Speaker 4>But maybe it's just maybe it's so narrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the example we love to give for why it's

0:25:52.980 --> 0:25:56.850
<v Speaker 3>idiotic to demonize billionaires, you know, the burger stand guy

0:25:57.310 --> 0:25:59.869
<v Speaker 3>or really anything where you got you make a dollar

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<v Speaker 3>off of every customer. If 100 people like it, it's fine.

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 3>If 1,000 people like it, it's fine. If a million

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 3>people like it, it's fine. But God help you, if

0:26:06.340 --> 0:26:08.100
<v Speaker 3>a billion people like your product and want to give

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.740
<v Speaker 3>you a dollar for it, that makes you an evil person,

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<v Speaker 3>according to their idiotic philosophy.

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<v Speaker 4>You still got to hire well and navigate tax policies.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so many things to do to run

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<v Speaker 2>a business at all. And then to end up a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't see how you could do that without being rich.

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<v Speaker 4>Just generally high IQ. But or is it just such

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<v Speaker 4>a narrow thing that you can be an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>In every other aspect? But that one, is that possible?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, or more germane to this discussion, can you be

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<v Speaker 3>utterly unwise when it comes to affairs of the loins?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, easily do. Well, I don't think he would. The

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.160
<v Speaker 4>loins factored in with Swalwell. He tagged Swalwell like he's

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 4>the next big. I mean, next guy he is. He's

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.070
<v Speaker 4>just got president written all over him.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of folks on the Democrat media side said

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing. They've been touting Swalwell as the next

0:27:01.730 --> 0:27:03.590
<v Speaker 3>big thing for a long time. We've been mocking it

0:27:03.630 --> 0:27:05.710
<v Speaker 3>for that long because he's, you know, a California guy

0:27:05.730 --> 0:27:06.970
<v Speaker 3>and we're aware of him for years.

0:27:07.020 --> 0:27:09.659
<v Speaker 4>Maybe behind the scenes, he's bigger. He's more impressive. I

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:09.939
<v Speaker 4>don't know.

0:27:09.980 --> 0:27:12.300
<v Speaker 2>In front of the scenes, he came off as an idiot.

0:27:12.780 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 3>He's handsome and he says bad things about Trump. I

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.460
<v Speaker 3>love him. He's the best. He should be president.

0:27:18.180 --> 0:27:21.140
<v Speaker 4>Affairs of the loins. That's a special pass for everyone,

0:27:21.180 --> 0:27:25.629
<v Speaker 4>including myself, because all kinds of. The combination of the

0:27:25.710 --> 0:27:28.870
<v Speaker 4>love chemicals or the sex chemicals, all kinds of common

0:27:28.910 --> 0:27:29.550
<v Speaker 4>sense can go.

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<v Speaker 2>Out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>Never noticed. Oh, speaking of that intelligence and all, I

0:27:35.060 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 3>don't know why they did this. I think they were

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 3>commenting on a story that is circulating right now, but

0:27:43.780 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 3>went back to the original Dunning-Kruger effect. that incompetent people

0:27:49.420 --> 0:27:52.899
<v Speaker 3>don't know they're incompetent. And actually looking at that study,

0:27:53.030 --> 0:27:56.250
<v Speaker 3>it is so interesting to see it fleshed out just

0:27:56.330 --> 0:27:56.930
<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that worth talking about at depth? Absolutely. I love

0:28:00.170 --> 0:28:04.570
<v Speaker 2>that topic. I feel like incompetence and.

0:28:06.010 --> 0:28:09.330
<v Speaker 4>Mental illness, to a certain extent, is if you're worried

0:28:09.350 --> 0:28:10.910
<v Speaker 4>about being crazy, you probably aren't crazy.

0:28:10.950 --> 0:28:13.310
<v Speaker 2>The really crazy people are not worried about it.

0:28:14.170 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Dunning-Kruger thing, we ought to do a whole

0:29:12.380 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 3>segment on coming up next. I'm trying to figure out

0:29:14.380 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 3>what to.

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<v Speaker 2>Squeeze in here.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not good at memorizing my effects or the names

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 4>of things like that, because there's another one about, have

0:29:22.580 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 4>you ever heard this one about, it's like with music,

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.790
<v Speaker 4>for whatever reason, if you turn up the volume, we

0:29:29.830 --> 0:29:33.030
<v Speaker 4>perceive it as sounding better. And that is one of

0:29:33.070 --> 0:29:36.710
<v Speaker 4>the things that misleads all kinds of musicians, either about

0:29:36.770 --> 0:29:38.550
<v Speaker 4>their playing or about their.

0:29:38.410 --> 0:29:39.969
<v Speaker 3>Equipment, volume.

0:29:30.050 --> 0:29:30.310
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yes.

0:29:49.030 --> 0:29:52.150
<v Speaker 2>But also with like, you know, this amplifier, you plug

0:29:52.170 --> 0:29:52.650
<v Speaker 2>into an amplifier.

0:29:52.670 --> 0:29:55.810
<v Speaker 3>Is that the Cloward Piven strategy? No, that's something different.

0:29:56.070 --> 0:29:58.090
<v Speaker 4>You plug into this amplifier, use this pedal or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's louder than the last thing you tested, it

0:30:00.710 --> 0:30:01.950
<v Speaker 4>sounds better to you.

0:30:02.110 --> 0:30:05.630
<v Speaker 2>You think it's better. That's the problem. Wow.

0:30:06.950 --> 0:30:08.880
<v Speaker 4>So some guy just playing louder, you think, well, that

0:30:08.900 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 4>guitar sounds great or the music itself or whatever.

0:30:13.260 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:13.540 --> 0:30:14.780
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why that just more.

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.060
<v Speaker 3>Well, I know when I, you know, I boop up my,

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.660
<v Speaker 3>my earbud level or something like that. And it gets louder.

0:30:19.900 --> 0:30:23.570
<v Speaker 3>That feeling of joy and excitement and pleasure. It goes

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 3>up with the volume that I realized you're going to

0:30:26.170 --> 0:30:29.230
<v Speaker 3>ruin your ears. And I try to back off, but

0:30:29.250 --> 0:30:31.410
<v Speaker 3>then you turn it down just one notch. And it's like, yeah,

0:30:31.550 --> 0:30:32.130
<v Speaker 3>it's not as good.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:30:33.230 --> 0:30:33.430
<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I do that all the time. My music's too loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Turned down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, no, it's just kind of, oh, I was having

0:30:37.990 --> 0:30:40.730
<v Speaker 4>a good time. I was tapping my foot, bopping my head.

0:30:42.390 --> 0:30:43.350
<v Speaker 4>This song's no good.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you're incompetent? If you don't.

0:30:46.490 --> 0:30:47.910
<v Speaker 3>If the answer's no, you are.

0:30:48.190 --> 0:30:48.790
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

0:30:48.910 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 3>If you never worry about it. The answer's yes, you're not.

0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.219
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that weird? That and other stuff on the way.

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<v Speaker 5>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

0:31:07.250 --> 0:31:10.140
<v Speaker 6>A judge in Florida recently sentenced the former director of

0:31:10.180 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 6>the state's gambling addiction hotline to 10 years in prison

0:31:13.220 --> 0:31:17.020
<v Speaker 6>for stealing nearly $ 1. 5 million from his employer to fund

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 6>his gambling habit.

0:31:18.550 --> 0:31:20.230
<v Speaker 2>He was then sentenced to 20.

0:31:19.870 --> 0:31:22.710
<v Speaker 6>Years after he asked the judge to go double or nothing.

0:31:26.100 --> 0:31:27.100
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's probably true.

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.020
<v Speaker 4>It's like you have alcoholics manning the alcoholic hotline or

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.220
<v Speaker 4>drug addicts or whatever. He was a gambling addict who

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.140
<v Speaker 4>slipped or went back to his old ways or whatever.

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.220
<v Speaker 3>Wow, wow, wow. So maybe he's a good example of

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.590
<v Speaker 3>the Dunning-Kruger effect, which I think a lot of us

0:31:43.610 --> 0:31:45.910
<v Speaker 3>have heard of through the years. It's the idea that

0:31:45.950 --> 0:31:49.210
<v Speaker 3>people who are incompetent don't know they're incompetent and they

0:31:49.270 --> 0:31:50.850
<v Speaker 3>actually think they're competent.

0:31:50.690 --> 0:31:52.850
<v Speaker 4>And doesn't everybody the first time they hear that think

0:31:53.510 --> 0:31:56.610
<v Speaker 4>oh right because you know people like.

0:31:56.470 --> 0:32:00.290
<v Speaker 3>That yeah yeah um and and that seemed to be.

0:32:00.210 --> 0:32:04.270
<v Speaker 4>Blissfully perfectly okay with the fact that they suck at what.

0:32:04.150 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 3>They do and i came across the original study from

0:32:07.620 --> 0:32:10.900
<v Speaker 3>uh back in the 90s uh from cornell university i'm

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 3>going to read some of it to you because it's

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.130
<v Speaker 3>written beautifully this is part of the executive summary People

0:32:15.190 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 3>tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 3>many social and intellectual domains. These authors suggest that this

0:32:21.300 --> 0:32:24.340
<v Speaker 3>overestimation occurs in part because people who are unskilled in

0:32:24.380 --> 0:32:27.660
<v Speaker 3>these domains suffer a dual burden. Not only do these

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:31.180
<v Speaker 3>people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:35.060
<v Speaker 3>incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it.

0:32:35.580 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Across four studies, the authors found that participants scoring in

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom quartile on tests of, and it's quite a range,

0:32:42.770 --> 0:32:48.210
<v Speaker 3>of humor, grammar, and logic, grossly overestimated their test performance

0:32:48.230 --> 0:32:51.430
<v Speaker 3>and ability. Although, this is the bottom quartile now, although

0:32:51.450 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 3>their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 3>estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa!

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<v Speaker 3>Several analyses linked this miscalculation to deficits in metacognitive skill,

0:33:04.260 --> 0:33:09.570
<v Speaker 3>or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. paradoxically, improving

0:33:09.610 --> 0:33:13.370
<v Speaker 3>the skills of participants and thus increasing their metacognitive competence

0:33:13.630 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 3>helped them recognize the limitation of their own abilities.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 4>So are we talking about just general incompetence at life

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.570
<v Speaker 4>or at a specific thing? Is everybody are you born

0:33:23.630 --> 0:33:27.330
<v Speaker 4>because I mean, I'm incompetent. You you you you take

0:33:27.390 --> 0:33:29.210
<v Speaker 4>off the top of somebody's head and say work on

0:33:29.230 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 4>their brain. I would declare myself incompetent very, very quickly.

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.140
<v Speaker 4>I'm incompetent brain surgery. Or are you talking about just

0:33:36.180 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 4>like a general tendency toward incompetence?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just I'm going to go with their verbiage,

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 3>metacognitive skill or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Anyway,

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 3>they write, it is one of the essential features of

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.340
<v Speaker 3>knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would

0:33:54.380 --> 0:33:57.140
<v Speaker 3>already be a remedy to a good portion of the offense.

0:33:57.670 --> 0:34:01.370
<v Speaker 3>And they start the main part of the executive summary with,

0:34:02.370 --> 0:34:05.150
<v Speaker 3>The 1995 case of MacArthur Wheeler, who walked into two

0:34:05.190 --> 0:34:07.390
<v Speaker 3>Pittsburgh banks and robbed them in broad daylight with no

0:34:07.450 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 3>visible attempt at disguise. He was arrested later that night,

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:12.660
<v Speaker 3>less than an hour after videotapes of him were taken

0:34:12.700 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 3>from surveillance cameras and broadcast on the news. When police

0:34:16.140 --> 0:34:20.660
<v Speaker 3>later showed him the surveillance tapes, Mr. Wheeler stared in incredulity. Quote,

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>but I wore the juice, he mumbled.

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:23.779
<v Speaker 2>Apparently, Mr.

0:34:23.820 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Wheeler was under the impression that rubbing one's face with

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 3>lemon juice rendered it invisible to video cameras. We bring

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:33.469
<v Speaker 3>up the unfortunate affairs of Mr. Wheeler to make three points.

0:34:33.810 --> 0:34:37.109
<v Speaker 3>The first two are non-controversial. First, in many domains in life,

0:34:37.150 --> 0:34:41.070
<v Speaker 3>success and satisfaction depend on knowledge, wisdom, or savvy in

0:34:41.110 --> 0:34:44.230
<v Speaker 3>knowing which rules to follow and which strategies to pursue.

0:34:44.710 --> 0:34:49.109
<v Speaker 3>This is true not only for committing crimes, but also

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 3>for many tasks in the social and intellectual domains, such

0:34:52.420 --> 0:34:57.140
<v Speaker 3>as promoting effective leadership, Raising children, constructing a solid logical argument,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 3>or designing a rigorous psychological study.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So they fit all that because I remember, I think

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 4>we talked about that before.

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I'd read it, the.

0:35:04.860 --> 0:35:08.739
<v Speaker 4>Whole lemon juice on the face. Doesn't that just make

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 4>you a crazy person as opposed to like incompetent at

0:35:12.140 --> 0:35:12.990
<v Speaker 4>raising a family?

0:35:13.010 --> 0:35:17.230
<v Speaker 3>Well, there are different levels of stupid, you know, of

0:35:17.430 --> 0:35:18.750
<v Speaker 3>lack of metacognition.

0:35:19.690 --> 0:35:24.090
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, so that guy on first base, his name is who? Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>that's an inside comment.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not going there.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's non-controversial that it's best to have savvy and

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence and knowledge. Second, people differ widely in the knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>and strategies they apply in these domains.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the knowledge and theories that people apply to

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<v Speaker 3>their actions are sound and meet with favorable results. Others,

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<v Speaker 3>like the lemon juice hypothesis of MacArthur Wheeler, are imperfect

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<v Speaker 3>at best and wrongheaded, incompetent or dysfunctional at worst. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>more controversial is the third point, the one that is

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<v Speaker 3>the focus of this article. We argue that when people

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<v Speaker 3>are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success

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<v Speaker 3>and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden. Not only do

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<v Speaker 3>they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their

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<v Speaker 3>incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>like Mr. Wheeler, they are left with the mistaken impression

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<v Speaker 3>that they are doing just fine. As Miller perceptibly argued

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<v Speaker 3>in the quote that opens this article, and as Charles

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<v Speaker 3>Darwin sagely noted over a century ago, ignorance more frequently

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<v Speaker 3>begets confidence than does knowledge. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence

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<v Speaker 3>than does knowledge.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I remember one of my favorite professors in college

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<v Speaker 4>drawing a very simple line on the chalkboard with the

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<v Speaker 4>certainty goes down with knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>So one more thing. This is from a commentator. The

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<v Speaker 3>incompetent are blessed with absolute blinding certainty. Their brain protects

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<v Speaker 3>them from their own ignorance, allowing them to speak first,

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<v Speaker 3>demand authority, and never second guess their decisions. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 3>actual experts suffer the exact inverse. Top performers in the

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<v Speaker 3>study consistently underestimated their rank because a task was easy

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<v Speaker 3>for them. They falsely assumed it was easy for everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>They hesitate. They obsess over nuance. They assume they have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing unique to add.

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<v Speaker 2>I second-guess everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I've said more than once, I'm the saddest level of intelligent.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just smart enough to realize how smart I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>And I see people who are way smarter than me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think, oh, wow. Too bad I'm so dumb.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe if I put.

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<v Speaker 2>Juice on my face and nobody can see me.

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, juice.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody can see how dumb I am.

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<v Speaker 3>Juice.

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