Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the
Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 4: Later today, both sides are expected to deliver closing arguments,
Speaker 4: and then this case will be in the hands of
Speaker 4: a jury. Testimony ended Wednesday after jurors heard from those
Speaker 4: 85 different witnesses. The final witness was Dr. Gregory Sadoff,
Speaker 4: a forensic psychiatrist who also works with the FBI's Behavioral
Speaker 4: Analysis Unit. He was on the stand for quite some time.
Speaker 4: Sadoff testified for the prosecution that he believes that she
Speaker 4: was criminally responsible for killing the three children. and that
Speaker 4: she was, in fact, in control of her actions.
Speaker 2: We're going to hear more from Dr. Gregory Sadhoff in
Speaker 2: just a minute. So we're on at different times, different places,
Speaker 2: and some of you listen on the podcast, so our
Speaker 2: present tense situation gets a little tough. So that said,
Speaker 2: closing arguments are later today. They're going on right now,
Speaker 2: and I think it's interesting that CNN and Fox are
Speaker 2: both taking them live. It looks pretty compelling, so Hanson,
Speaker 2: keep an eye on that if anything dramatic is said today.
Speaker 2: We'll get that on the air, and then later in
Speaker 2: the show, we're going to talk to a guy who
Speaker 2: spent his adult life as a judge, actually Katie's dad,
Speaker 2: about some of the decisions that were made in the
Speaker 2: courtroom over the last couple of days and weeks. What
Speaker 2: a compelling story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it goes to some of the most
Speaker 3: bedrock fundamentals of human behavior, and when a mother violates... That,
Speaker 3: you know, the bedrock of human behavior and kills her
Speaker 3: own children. I think people just they need an explanation.
Speaker 3: They need to understand it.
Speaker 2: Some people just so horrifying. Some people just like criminal
Speaker 2: trials who don't, which I perfectly understand. Then I think
Speaker 2: when the element came along a week or so ago
Speaker 2: that you realize, wow, there are thousands of moms who
Speaker 2: are in support of this woman who killed her kids.
Speaker 2: That's a wrinkle that drew a lot of people in. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's hear from this Dr. Gregory Satoff, who was on
Speaker 2: the stand yesterday.
Speaker 5: Having no instructions as to how to do it, but
Speaker 5: being able to execute those decisions, including being able to
Speaker 5: get a phone call and then return it to her
Speaker 5: husband in the process of all of this. Certainly the
Speaker 5: phone call was not expected. That is surprising that. She
Speaker 5: was able to accomplish all of this without any other
Speaker 5: kind of direction or plan.
Speaker 2: So he's making the argument that because she planned it,
Speaker 2: sent her husband to the store, knew how long it
Speaker 2: would take to kill the kids, and then it was
Speaker 2: interrupted with she had to call him, or he called her,
Speaker 2: I guess, and talked to her on the phone for
Speaker 2: a little while, but then she continued with the plan.
Speaker 2: Is more proof that she's not insane? I don't know
Speaker 2: what makes you insane or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the building blocks of the case, yeah.
Speaker 3: The other key... Well, I don't want to steal a thunder.
Speaker 3: This next clip might deal with what I was about
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 5: Hallucinations, even command hallucinations, when they occur, do not propel...
Speaker 5: an individual to automatically obey them.
Speaker 2: Doctor, is it possible for someone who is experiencing psychosis
Speaker 2: and commands hallucinations to conform their behavior to the law?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: That was interesting. So just because you got a voice
Speaker 2: in your head saying, kill your neighbor, kill your neighbor,
Speaker 2: that's not good enough.
Speaker 3: And they had at least one expert witness say, and
Speaker 3: if you know anything about criminal trials, you know both
Speaker 3: sides trot out experts and often contradict each other. But
Speaker 3: one of the prosecution experts at least said that he
Speaker 3: has never in his entire career dealt with or heard
Speaker 3: of a case where the voice tells you to commit
Speaker 3: an act, kill your neighbor, kill your child, whatever. It
Speaker 3: hadn't been doing that before. And then as soon as
Speaker 3: you do it, it stops. He says that's not the
Speaker 3: way it works. You don't pay off the voice by
Speaker 3: doing what it asks you to do and then it stops.
Speaker 3: It doesn't end.
Speaker 2: I never thought about that once in my life. That's
Speaker 2: an interesting thought.
Speaker 3: He said, that's not a thing. Huh.
Speaker 2: I'll be darned. I'd never considered that. If you do
Speaker 2: what the voice tells you to do, are you like
Speaker 2: out of the woods then? No, you continue to be.
Speaker 2: If you have voices talking to you, you continue to
Speaker 2: be that level of crazy. Of course you would.
Speaker 3: Because they're not actual voices. They're your brain. Good point.
Speaker 3: Which is diseased. Good point.
Speaker 2: Now we get into some of the good talk radio
Speaker 2: stuff of why and how many people think she should
Speaker 2: be going to jail as a murderer or not.
Speaker 6: The majority of people believe that Lindsay Clancy is not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible. If you asked me this a month ago,
Speaker 6: I would have said you're crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so you think that the insanity defense is
Speaker 3: going to work? I do.
Speaker 6: I'm going to shoot my shot, go on record and say,
Speaker 6: I think Lindsey Clancy will be acquitted or there's a
Speaker 6: possibility of a hung jury, but it's going to be
Speaker 6: significantly in favor of the defense.
Speaker 3: Maybe a few holdouts for the prosecution. Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: Because the public opinion has turned?
Speaker 3: I don't know. You got some dipstick lawyer on CNN
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting on its own that public opinion is turned.
Speaker 2: So as information is seeped out into the country, a
Speaker 2: majority of people now think, poor woman was crazy, couldn't
Speaker 2: get the help she deserved, there but for the grace of.
Speaker 3: God, etc. Huh.
Speaker 2: Does that mean we're compassionate people, or are we really
Speaker 2: off the rails?
Speaker 3: I think we're a people that's gone from thinking about
Speaker 3: mental illness too little to a society that thinks about
Speaker 3: it too much, honestly.
Speaker 2: And That's a good point right there. If you were
Speaker 2: going to say, have we gone too far down the
Speaker 2: road for excusing bad grades, bad workers, bad parenting, bad everything?
Speaker 2: Have we gone too far down the road of excusing
Speaker 2: all sorts of behavior because you got this or that diagnosis?
Speaker 3: Of course we have. Or, yeah, self-diagnosis even. Yeah, Bethany
Speaker 3: Mandel wrote a great piece published in the New York Post, um,
Speaker 3: Toxic mom rage is TikTok's latest trend, and it's making
Speaker 3: the moms even more miserable. I'll just hit you with
Speaker 3: part of it. First generation of women to be raised
Speaker 3: in the therapeutic culture that eventually gave us gentle parenting
Speaker 3: is now raising children of their own. Judging by the
Speaker 3: reaction to the Lindsay Clancy trial, it's not going well.
Speaker 3: These mothers were taught to analyze every negative emotion they experience,
Speaker 3: turning even the least discomfort over in every direction to
Speaker 3: analyze and dissect it. This mindset teaches you that sadness
Speaker 3: isn't something you shake off and anxiety isn't something you
Speaker 3: push through. Instead of encouraging resilience, its adherents believe that
Speaker 3: every unpleasant experience requires extensive processing. Then she says these
Speaker 3: moms are attempting to raise their own children according to
Speaker 3: the same philosophy, endlessly validating feelings, negotiating arbitrary boundaries, and
Speaker 3: striving to regulate the emotions of tiny people who possess
Speaker 3: neither reason nor impulse control. But, you know, in their
Speaker 3: own lives, it's the never ending, just the navel gazing.
Speaker 2: I know that I'm not the only parent that has
Speaker 2: dealt with this situation where you got a kid struggling
Speaker 2: with the world. Then they get a diagnosis of anxiety
Speaker 2: or something like that. And you feel incredible guilt for
Speaker 2: trying to force them through situations that where they've got
Speaker 2: a diagnosis, then you land at a point, maybe somewhere
Speaker 2: where you realize, well, maybe I've gone too far in like,
Speaker 2: just not saying, okay, yeah, it's hard for everybody. Get
Speaker 2: out there and do it. But I can, I feel that,
Speaker 2: you know, you got to do it anyway. So trying
Speaker 2: to figure out where you are on that as a
Speaker 2: parent is really hard. But I think in general, we've
Speaker 2: gone too far down the road of, no, you don't
Speaker 2: have to do what other human beings have had to
Speaker 2: do throughout history because you've got this diagnosis.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly. Yeah, I would agree. Boy, it's just society
Speaker 3: swerving from guardrail to guardrail once again, from overdoing it
Speaker 3: in one direction to overdoing it in the other, to
Speaker 3: the point that, and plus you have the always insidious,
Speaker 3: evil effect of social media, where women set up their
Speaker 3: ring light and their camera and stage a performative fit
Speaker 3: to get lots of sympathetic likes from other people and
Speaker 3: have their angst validated and the rest of it. But
Speaker 3: it's all performative. I don't know.
Speaker 2: In the terms of being too coddling of excuses for behavior,
Speaker 2: I always think of Christopher Hitchens, the thinker journalist in
Speaker 2: his autobiography, wrote a lot about his childhood at boarding
Speaker 2: schools where he was regularly sexually abused, beaten and bullied.
Speaker 2: It was part of the whole life for privileged or
Speaker 2: super smart kids in England for hundreds of years. You
Speaker 2: go into your parents sent you off to this expensive
Speaker 2: school and you were going to be sexually abused by
Speaker 2: their kids, beaten up and bullied. And his conclusion as
Speaker 2: a 50 something looking back on it was our society
Speaker 2: was better off when that was going on than it
Speaker 2: is now, which I think is.
Speaker 3: Really, really interesting.
Speaker 2: And the reason i brought that up was i think
Speaker 2: about times in my life if i had grown up
Speaker 2: in the 2000s instead of the 70s and various situations
Speaker 2: where i'd tell my mom you know i can't do
Speaker 2: that or i can't do that or whatever if she'd
Speaker 2: said you're right you're too you've got anxiety or you've
Speaker 2: got this or that you don't have to do it
Speaker 2: if I would have been better off or worse off
Speaker 2: than when I was just forced to power through various situations.
Speaker 2: And it's not even a close call as to which
Speaker 2: would have been better for me, even though it was
Speaker 2: incredibly miserable and painful at the time to have to
Speaker 2: power through various situations is the kind of kid I was.
Speaker 2: And I've never had a diagnosis of anything, but, um, but,
Speaker 2: but by, but by modern standards, I think I could
Speaker 2: have easily gotten diagnosed with some sort of, I don't know,
Speaker 2: ultra shy disease or whatever the hell, um, And I
Speaker 2: was better off being forced to suck it up and
Speaker 2: deal with it and endure the pain. There's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it in my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this editorialist used the term resilience earlier. And I
Speaker 3: remember when the, I guess it was a giant study
Speaker 3: of success among children. And they identified resilience as the
Speaker 3: number one most important characteristic. for success and we are
Speaker 3: teaching our kids out of it.
Speaker 2: I think about that word all the time because i
Speaker 2: have i have a friend who said uh years ago
Speaker 2: before i was i was a parent but my kids
Speaker 2: are still little he said my number one thing is
Speaker 2: because his kids were like high school college ages to
Speaker 2: try to make them more resilient some of them aren't
Speaker 2: i thought wow that's a good one that is a
Speaker 2: good word that is the thing i like to think
Speaker 2: about with my kids i want to make them resilient
Speaker 2: for whatever relationships that don't work out jerk teachers or
Speaker 2: bosses all those different sorts.
Speaker 3: Of things Social media does exactly the opposite. I want
Speaker 3: to dip a little more into Megan's piece here because
Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely terrific after the break.
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Speaker 2: We got this text on the topic we've been on.
Speaker 2: I'm a teacher and I have a daughter and they
Speaker 2: are all pansies.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Succinct and powerful. So if you don't know what
Speaker 3: we're talking about, grab it by podcast, Armstrong and Getty
Speaker 3: on demand, Lindsay Clancy trial, uh, moms, uh, convincing each
Speaker 3: other that, uh, motherhood is misery, social media, et cetera. Um,
Speaker 3: And I like this piece written by, I like to
Speaker 3: give credit where it's due. I think it's ethical. Let's see.
Speaker 3: Bethany Mandel. Anyway, back to Bethany's wisdom. Sales of tripods. Oh,
Speaker 3: here it is. And she describes how women hurl ice
Speaker 3: cubes into bathtubs to vent their frustration about their child's
Speaker 3: tantrums without a hint of irony. They filmed themselves crying
Speaker 3: in rocking chairs, pantries, and parked cars about exhaustion, cleanup,
Speaker 3: and laundry. One woman even set up a camera to
Speaker 3: film herself reacting to her child tripping over an iced
Speaker 3: coffee she had set up in the middle of the
Speaker 3: playroom floor. Then they spent more precious minutes editing the
Speaker 3: footage into 30-second TikToks, lamenting the crushing difficulty of their lives.
Speaker 3: Instead of taking the walk around the block or catching
Speaker 3: that 15-minute nap, they could have reset their brains and
Speaker 3: turned the day around. This is therapy culture as performance art.
Speaker 3: It's every bit as melodramatic and overwrought as you'd imagine
Speaker 3: it to be, and it's making women ever more miserable.
Speaker 3: And here's where it really gets to the point. Nobody
Speaker 3: goes viral saying, my toddler had a tantrum today, but
Speaker 3: I ignored it and made dinner. There are clicks, however,
Speaker 3: in announcing that you are touched out, triggered, dysregulated, and
Speaker 3: drowning under the invisible emotional labor of motherhood.
Speaker 2: Well, and I remember when we were talking about this
Speaker 2: the other day, one of my thoughts was, how long
Speaker 2: did it take you to capture this video, edit it,
Speaker 2: get it on TikTok? You're so beleaguered taking care of
Speaker 2: your little kids. What the hell's going on there?
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 2: You would have been embarrassed not very many years ago
Speaker 2: as a mom or a dad to say, I can't
Speaker 2: handle this. It's more than I can handle over mundane stuff.
Speaker 2: Like that has happened since the dawn of time with
Speaker 2: raising a kid. I mean, you would have been embarrassed
Speaker 2: to put that out and everybody would have felt bad
Speaker 2: for you. Like, ooh, that's kind of embarrassing that that
Speaker 2: person is so distraught over a minor tantrum every kid
Speaker 2: throws that they have to claim they're, you know, they're
Speaker 2: falling apart.
Speaker 3: Or being sleep deprived. Toughen up, buttercup. Would have been
Speaker 3: the message like for the entirety of humanity till social media.
Speaker 3: But one of the most interesting things I've learned about
Speaker 3: human beings in the last several years is is how
Speaker 3: many folks view everything that happens to them and what
Speaker 3: they say, what they express, not through the lens of
Speaker 3: truth or objective, you know, it being the right thing,
Speaker 3: but through the lens of acceptance. And if you can
Speaker 3: give people acceptance, they will spout the most inane and
Speaker 3: ridiculous things if they get social reinforcement for it.
Speaker 2: Not understanding that a lot of the enforcement might be from...
Speaker 2: crazy people or people who are, you know, not, it's
Speaker 2: not the, it's not the normal crowd that's reacting to,
Speaker 2: you know, a positive way, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You just. So speaking of wisdom, Arthur Brooks, who writes
Speaker 3: a lot about happiness and unhappiness for the free press.
Speaker 3: And he's a professor who writes books and stuff. Uh,
Speaker 3: one of his more recent columns is, uh, beware the
Speaker 3: Facebook parents group. Do using these groups make your kids'
Speaker 3: lives better? What about your own? The answer I'm afraid
Speaker 3: to say is no. And they've done studies of this.
Speaker 3: These millions of forums exist online from Reddit threads to
Speaker 3: private Facebook groups where parents communicate with one another about
Speaker 3: how to raise their kids. Some focus on tips for
Speaker 3: parents of new babies, but a very common type is
Speaker 3: populated by parents of young adults going off to college.
Speaker 3: And you've got helicopter moms who continue their helicoptering and
Speaker 3: trade tips on dorm wall paint colors, how to complain
Speaker 3: to the dean if their child gets a bad grade,
Speaker 3: the brand of soap in the bathroom. How you can
Speaker 3: door dash essentials to your child.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you, my parents did not know what kind
Speaker 2: of soap I was using when I was 20 years old.
Speaker 3: Just all just obsession with every detail of their now
Speaker 3: adult children's lives.
Speaker 2: And it's all just unhealthy.
Speaker 3: And he goes back to the I'm summarizing very, very quickly, though,
Speaker 3: brings me back to my audience members question. Does using
Speaker 3: these groups make your kids lives better? What about your own?
Speaker 3: The answer, I'm afraid, is no. And he goes into
Speaker 3: a bunch of research and then a study in the
Speaker 3: journal Biological Psychology. And it's absolutely terrible, terrible, all this stuff.
Speaker 2: The discussion that comes out of the result of this trial,
Speaker 2: the Clancy trial, which we might get, you know, any
Speaker 2: day now, is going to be quite the national conversation,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing, especially if she gets some sort of lighter sentence.
Speaker 2: for having killed all three kids. We'll be talking about it.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 7: The FDA approved that groundbreaking new drug, the one to
Speaker 7: treat pancreatic cancer. Patients taking the daily pills live nearly
Speaker 7: twice as long as people treated with chemotherapy alone, according
Speaker 7: to the researchers.
Speaker 2: Huge breakthrough in the worst cancer diagnosis you can get.
Speaker 2: Pancreatic cancer, which often, you know, you got four weeks
Speaker 2: to live, which is about as horrific as anything could be.
Speaker 2: Now they got a drug that's going to help that
Speaker 2: a lot. Is that the thing Ben Sasse is on
Speaker 2: where he announced, you know, I'm going to be dead
Speaker 2: in a month and he's still kicking six months later?
Speaker 3: Gosh, unless there are multiple miracle saviors for pancreatic cancer
Speaker 3: on the market right now, and there might be a couple,
Speaker 3: but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe with AI, this is the much touted positive spin
Speaker 2: of AI ever, is that all the medical breakthroughs it
Speaker 2: can get. I hope we start hearing tons of those
Speaker 2: when AI gets going. On the other hand, Mark Halpern
Speaker 2: writes today, AI is now the biggest threat to America.
Speaker 2: And we'll get into that a little bit later. It's really,
Speaker 2: really interesting. I look forward to talking about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got the perfect story to go with it.
Speaker 3: The long and short of it is that those AI
Speaker 3: detectors that they can identify, that book was 30% AI
Speaker 3: or that magazine article, blah, blah, blah. They're notoriously inaccurate.
Speaker 1: Shocking.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people are getting impugned unfairly. Shocking.
Speaker 2: I am going to step into the, there's no winning
Speaker 2: in this conversation. Everybody will end up angry territory. Of
Speaker 2: autism diagnoses.
Speaker 3: Oh, super.
Speaker 2: But there is a new Swedish study out that if
Speaker 2: this is true, the shocking rise in autism, at least
Speaker 2: this century since 2000, has been mostly the mild kind.
Speaker 2: As we all know, it's a spectrum and, you know,
Speaker 2: you can you can be autistic. I have a friend
Speaker 2: who's a mom who has four autistic kids. ranging from
Speaker 2: quite mild to very disabled. And, you know, so autistic
Speaker 2: is not autistic. It's it's it's not a one word thing.
Speaker 2: You really need to know to what level. Well, according
Speaker 2: to this new, very large Swedish study that's getting a
Speaker 2: lot of attention. The with intellectual disability, in other words,
Speaker 2: you it really makes it difficult for you to to
Speaker 2: learn and function in the world has stayed pretty flat
Speaker 2: this century. The without intellectual disability has gone up a lot.
Speaker 2: All the increase is the without intellectual disability, autism. So,
Speaker 2: you know, take that for what it's worth. All studies
Speaker 2: need to be verified or not over time. And then
Speaker 2: what does that mean for our view of what autistic means?
Speaker 3: We're so early in the understanding of all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I, for one, as a parent of
Speaker 3: an autistic child, am not offended or angered by your
Speaker 3: bringing us that story. It's very interesting, thought-provoking, and all
Speaker 3: the questions still remain. What the hell is behind it
Speaker 3: in the first place? Why the increases at all? What
Speaker 3: does it mean? Is one place on the spectrum actually
Speaker 3: distinct from another one? Is it a different thing that
Speaker 3: just looks similar? I don't know. I wish I knew.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: We have a lot to know.
Speaker 2: Wanted to get into this a little bit later. Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll play some of the audio. The body cam footage
Speaker 2: came out for Jed York, the owner of the San
Speaker 2: Francisco 49ers, soliciting prostitution. And it made every newscast in America.
Speaker 2: And I tweeted out the link to it and said,
Speaker 2: do we think this is a good idea? I wish
Speaker 2: we'd figure this out. You committed a misdemeanor crime that
Speaker 2: is like a $ 900 fine and you get nationally embarrassed
Speaker 2: along with it. Does that make sense as a punishment?
Speaker 3: Because it was about sex. Yeah, I know. I'm not
Speaker 3: comfortable with that. I have no interest in seeing that.
Speaker 3: I can picture it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is incredibly embarrassing. He committed a minor crime.
Speaker 2: Should you be nationally embarrassed among your friends, family, kids,
Speaker 2: everything for all eternity for a misdemeanor with a minor fine?
Speaker 2: We ought to make a decision on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if... This is not an argument
Speaker 3: in either direction, but it's clearly the downside of the
Speaker 3: transparency of our law enforcement system and our justice system
Speaker 3: in general. If I have the right to observe to
Speaker 3: make sure no cops are beating down suspects, I suppose
Speaker 3: I have the right to see Jed York being read
Speaker 3: as Miranda writes as he rolls his eyes. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if he rolled his eyes or not. I
Speaker 3: would have.
Speaker 2: He looks pretty schlubby and... Discouraged, I'm guessing. He comes
Speaker 2: off as a schlubby dope, there's no doubt. But imagine
Speaker 2: he was in a state of quite shock. Well, you're
Speaker 2: going from arousal to the clinky handcuffs, the bracelets of doom.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a tough day.
Speaker 2: You're going from thinking you're about to get some to...
Speaker 2: Wait a second. Put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's all it was, everything that comes with it,
Speaker 2: including being on the evening news, I think every day
Speaker 2: since it happened has been on the evening newscast four
Speaker 2: or five days in a row. Certainly in the media, yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow. Somebody famous did something embarrassing. Look, look, look, look.
Speaker 3: I just, I'm not super comfortable with that. Because I
Speaker 3: know where it comes from. It comes from an ugly place.
Speaker 3: And I indulge in it too, friends. And sometimes I really,
Speaker 3: really enjoy it. But that doesn't mean I'm proud of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tweeted this out and said, is this a
Speaker 2: good idea? Do we think we ought to do this
Speaker 2: as a society? Does the punishment fit the crime? And
Speaker 2: one of the responses was, we really enjoy the rich
Speaker 2: and powerful being embarrassed. Get over it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, you're always saying this is the charity you've chosen.
Speaker 3: This is the cause you've chosen.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You know, illegal immigrant inmates getting sex change surgeries. Really?
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm going to tilt against a windmill,
Speaker 3: it's probably not this one. Good point.
Speaker 2: Use my own logic against me. You win because that
Speaker 2: is a good one. Of all things, I should lose
Speaker 2: sleep over.
Speaker 3: Tell you one conversation that Americans are having is the
Speaker 3: flock camera thing. Flock cameras spreading across America and the
Speaker 3: backlash is growing just as fast. But the folks, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: we're too hip for the room sometimes. Flock cameras are
Speaker 3: the stationary cameras that municipalities, towns, counties, states put up
Speaker 3: to capture license, not just license plate numbers, also dents,
Speaker 3: bumper stickers, and other identifying aspects of your ride. And
Speaker 3: then allegedly only if there's an abduction or a crime
Speaker 3: and the authorities need to bring down an evildoer, will they,
Speaker 3: you know, tippity tap type into their flock system? And
Speaker 3: the camera will say, yeah, he just went from a
Speaker 3: 43rd Street to 42nd. He's continuing south. And then they'll
Speaker 3: bust the evildoers, which sounds lovely as far as it goes.
Speaker 2: Well, all presented as we're building a surveillance state without
Speaker 2: anybody voting or deciding on it whatsoever. And if you
Speaker 2: think they'll only use it in crimes, you're hilarious.
Speaker 3: We have a state that is conducting a great deal
Speaker 3: of surveillance and that is growing. But does that mean
Speaker 3: we're building a surveillance state?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, it does.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you have to assume that whoever takes
Speaker 2: charge next, even if the current crowd doesn't abuse the power,
Speaker 2: how about 10 years from now? Remember all the moral
Speaker 2: panics we've had, the whole woke apocalypse thing, everything like that.
Speaker 2: Who knows what might be coming down the road in
Speaker 2: coming years where all kinds of people could justify going
Speaker 2: into the surveillance state info to keep an eye on you. Well,
Speaker 2: they're misgendering people. We can't have that.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a hate crime. Words are violence. Violence is death.
Speaker 3: Death is words. Or whatever the hell they spouted and
Speaker 3: people went along with it.
Speaker 2: Because you're weak!
Speaker 3: Oh, not you people. Not you people. I just can't
Speaker 3: believe anybody went along with that. Anyway, there's so much
Speaker 3: to be said on the flock camera thing. There's a
Speaker 3: big development in Florida, so we need to go big
Speaker 3: on that a little bit later in the show. Also,
Speaker 3: we've got, I'm trying to figure out, I have a
Speaker 3: bunch of stories about Islamism creeping into the United States
Speaker 3: inch by inch by inch.
Speaker 2: Camel's nose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I'm trying to come up with a
Speaker 3: name because every feature that I do has to have
Speaker 3: a name.
Speaker 2: Of course it does with the graphics.
Speaker 3: But I want.
Speaker 2: Joe's point.
Speaker 3: And theme music.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: But I've got to be careful about the title.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I don't want to make it too easy for those
Speaker 3: who would try to kneecap us to kneecap us.
Speaker 2: So dig this. Do you remember when the scumbag assassinated
Speaker 2: a Minnesota lawmaker and her husband in their own home?
Speaker 2: Police searched the car and they found a notebook inside
Speaker 2: a handwritten list of 11 Web sites. Not weapon sites,
Speaker 2: data brokers, people search sites that sell your home address
Speaker 2: for a couple of bucks. You can just type your
Speaker 2: name into one right now. There you are, your address,
Speaker 2: your phone, your family's names, a photo of your front door.
Speaker 2: Anyone can look up all your information in seconds, and
Speaker 2: you'll never know who did it or why they're doing it,
Speaker 2: and that's why we use Incogni.
Speaker 3: You see, it forces data brokers and people search sites
Speaker 3: to delete you, then keeps checking because deleted data creeps
Speaker 3: back in. And Incogni is scrubbing us from hundreds of websites.
Speaker 3: All we had to do was sign up. You lock
Speaker 3: your doors every night, right? Well, tonight, lock your address
Speaker 3: down as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you got to do is go to incogni.com
Speaker 2: slash Armstrong for 60% off. They use the law on
Speaker 2: their side. Get that info off the data site. That's
Speaker 2: incogni.com slash Armstrong, because the next time a stranger searches
Speaker 2: your name, let them find nothing.
Speaker 3: Incogni.com slash Armstrong. So more on the flock camera thing.
Speaker 3: Speaking of surveillance and everybody knowing everything about everyone all
Speaker 3: the time. I don't like the modern world. I'll be
Speaker 3: in the woods if you need me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. We talked about this with Legal Expert Friday.
Speaker 2: I clearly have been on the wrong side of this
Speaker 2: for a long time. Most of you prefer security over freedom,
Speaker 2: are willing to trade. Well, that are willing to trade
Speaker 2: a lot of freedom for security. And that's just a fact,
Speaker 2: and I lean the other direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a moving target, and this is the really,
Speaker 3: really difficult part of it, which is why I try
Speaker 3: to be at least sympathetic to arguments that I might
Speaker 3: not buy. Haiti is melting down right now. Haiti is
Speaker 3: always on the verge of melting down. That's where I
Speaker 3: was going to spend Thanksgiving. But, oh, you might want
Speaker 3: to rethink that. Did you pay in advance, or did
Speaker 3: you say pay when you check in?
Speaker 2: Well, you save 10% by paying ahead of time, so
Speaker 2: I've already got the Airbnb.
Speaker 3: But one of the few safe, fairly prosperous parts of
Speaker 3: Haiti is now being taken over by the armed gangs
Speaker 3: and is just falling apart, and it's horrific. Meanwhile, Costa Rica, the...
Speaker 3: Central American example of a peaceful, prosperous, prosperous democratic society
Speaker 3: is now got an increasingly huge problem with drug cartel.
Speaker 2: Gangs, and murder.
Speaker 3: The murder rate in Leon, the big city there, is
Speaker 3: skyrocketing as drug gangs are trying to carve up territory
Speaker 3: in the rest of it. So what I said about
Speaker 3: a moving target is if you ask the people in
Speaker 3: Costa Rica... If, hey, can we trade maybe a little
Speaker 3: bit of our liberty for cracking down on this? Because
Speaker 3: this is going in a terrible, terrible direction. I think
Speaker 3: the vote would change a great deal from what it
Speaker 3: would have been six months ago.
Speaker 2: True that. Coming up, apparently the Iowa State Fair has
Speaker 2: a mom-calling competition for kids. That is a pretty funny
Speaker 2: idea and sounds charming. And we'll have that, among other things,
Speaker 2: coming up.
Speaker 3: Stay here.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 8: The WNBA has ruled that Inez Cantor, Freedom and Royce
Speaker 8: White are ineligible to play in the league. Not because
Speaker 8: they're men, but because they're good at basketball.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's hateful. I don't I can't accept that as
Speaker 3: that's not a good.
Speaker 2: I don't like that either. Give us a different one
Speaker 2: that maybe we can agree with.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 8: And New York City Mayor Mamdani just unveiled a four
Speaker 8: billion dollar plan to improve the Brooklyn Queens Expressway.
Speaker 2: And get this.
Speaker 8: He's introducing an H.O.V.
Speaker 3: Lane for car bombers.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh, you know, and get this.
Speaker 3: Gutfeld is he's a bludgeoner. He really is. But I
Speaker 3: appreciate the tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You're going to talk about Islamism on the march coming
Speaker 2: up soon.
Speaker 3: At some point, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you need to get this on, too. Apparently at
Speaker 2: the Iowa State Fair, we played all kinds of clips
Speaker 2: along these lines over the years where they have a
Speaker 2: hog-calling competition or... Husband-calling, I remember. Bull-bullittling or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 2: You call yourself a bull?
Speaker 3: You couldn't mount a cow if I.
Speaker 2: Gave you a stepladder. Those are your testes? This is
Speaker 2: a mom-calling competition among kids. Mom, I'll get never got
Speaker 2: my ribs!
Speaker 5: Mom, when's dinner ready? Mom! Mom!
Speaker 2: Mamacita!
Speaker 1: Don't make me call Grandma!
Speaker 5: Mom!
Speaker 4: I cleaned up my room!
Speaker 8: Mom!
Speaker 1: Come here!
Speaker 2: My PlayStation's not working and the Fortnite update is in
Speaker 2: two minutes!
Speaker 1: Mom! Mom!
Speaker 2: Tina! That gave me a reaction. That put me on edge. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it's because... Uh, sometimes if I get like
Speaker 2: five of those in a 10 minute period, at one
Speaker 2: point I'll have to say, there's going to be a
Speaker 2: day where you're really going to miss. There's nobody out
Speaker 2: there calling dad, but sometimes it's like, what now? What
Speaker 2: could possibly have happened since the last minute you needed me?
Speaker 2: That just made me really happy for some reason that
Speaker 2: my son van is not talking yet. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Give it a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So two things I want to mention. One, my
Speaker 2: arm is way sore than I thought it would be
Speaker 2: from getting my first shingle shot last night.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was at the CVS and I wasn't on my
Speaker 2: mind at all. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I am an anti-tasker,
Speaker 2: as I've mentioned over the years. The reason I didn't
Speaker 2: get some of my COVID shots wasn't because I was
Speaker 2: strongly against it. I'd done the research or whatever. I
Speaker 2: got to drive over there and make an appointment. It
Speaker 2: seems like a lot of work. I'm busy. And that's
Speaker 2: the way I've been with the shingles thing, even though
Speaker 2: everybody has warned me, oh, you do not want to
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: It's horrible.
Speaker 2: And my doctor, when I did my physical a couple
Speaker 2: weeks ago.
Speaker 3: The disease, not the shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The disease of shingles. You do not
Speaker 2: want to get. It's horrible.
Speaker 3: It's like being tortured for weeks.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I was there and I actually had time to kill.
Speaker 2: I dropped my kid off at guitar lesson. I was
Speaker 2: kind of like dragging around the CVS, like the magazine rack.
Speaker 2: There's nothing here. I want to look at it. I
Speaker 2: was just trying to kill time. And it was, you know,
Speaker 2: shingles shots.
Speaker 3: So many different kinds of band-aids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Different hues, sizes.
Speaker 3: Shapes.
Speaker 2: Oh, those are waterproof. And then I saw the sign
Speaker 2: that said, no walk-ins available, no appointment needed, shingle shots,
Speaker 2: there's nobody there. And I thought, I got to get
Speaker 2: that done now. So I walked up and I said,
Speaker 2: what do you got to do to get, what's a
Speaker 2: guy got to do to get a shingle shot around here?
Speaker 2: And they said nothing. And so I like signed a
Speaker 2: piece of paper and went in there and got jabbed.
Speaker 2: And they said, your arm might be sore. And it's
Speaker 2: quite sore. I'm interested in that.
Speaker 3: I always get the, you know, some people react, blah, blah, blah,
Speaker 3: from flu shots and whatever. And I almost never have
Speaker 3: much of a reaction. Shingles is different. It's a plan.
Speaker 3: And the second one, plan on being down the next day.
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
Speaker 3: You might not be. And, you know, Tylenol, whatever can help.
Speaker 3: But it causes a significant immune reaction. Wow.
Speaker 2: I usually ignore side effects stuff because I just don't
Speaker 2: get them. I just, my whole life, I just, whatever
Speaker 2: you say, this might happen to me. Yeah, it happens
Speaker 2: to other people. It ain't going to happen to me.
Speaker 2: And it usually doesn't, but this one did. And I'll
Speaker 2: keep that in mind for shot two, which comes like
Speaker 2: in six months or something.
Speaker 3: It's a number of weeks, but yeah, it's significant, but
Speaker 3: it's well worth it. I'm telling you, I've had two
Speaker 3: friends who've had cases of shingles and, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't want to compare it to anything horrific. Anyway, it's horrible. Horrible, horrible, horrible.
Speaker 3: It will... ruin your life for a few to several weeks.
Speaker 2: I was going to talk about this maybe later. I've
Speaker 2: joined the weighted vest crowd because those are very popular
Speaker 2: right now. You probably see those at the gym, Katie says.
Speaker 2: All the cool people at the gym have the weighted
Speaker 2: vests on all the time, and I'd read about it
Speaker 2: and did a little research, and I walk every single day,
Speaker 2: so I thought, I'll get the weighted vest. So it
Speaker 2: comes in a couple of days, and I'll try it out.
Speaker 2: The guy at my gym that does pull-ups wearing one
Speaker 2: of those. Oh, yeah. Come on. I know. I know.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: And it's not their fault. They're super strong, but they
Speaker 2: know it. It's like being the hot chick walking through
Speaker 2: the room and nobody's looking at you. You're over there
Speaker 2: with a 40-pound vest on cranking out pull-ups because your
Speaker 2: own body weight isn't enough for you. Those of us
Speaker 2: who can't, you can barely do one ever with our
Speaker 2: own body weight. It's got the 40-pound vest. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm cranking it. I had to put extra weight on
Speaker 2: because they're just a little too easy for me.
Speaker 3: Shut up. Shut up.
Speaker 2: But, yes, the weighted vest thing is a big thing.
Speaker 2: Some people just wear them all the time. I bought
Speaker 2: this really slim-fitting one that, like, is supposed to not
Speaker 2: get in your way much, and some people just wear
Speaker 2: them kind of all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, too, except I didn't buy one. I
Speaker 3: just got fatter. So I'm, in effect, wearing a weighted
Speaker 3: vest to help strengthen my legs.
Speaker 2: That's a good positive spin on a little extra weight
Speaker 2: is I'm getting more cardio by carrying around this weight.
Speaker 3: You should look at my calves. They're beautiful.
Speaker 2: I'm doing myself a favor. I'll let you know how
Speaker 2: that goes, if I think it's a good idea or not,
Speaker 2: or if my knees all blow out in the first day.
Speaker 3: Kapow!
Speaker 2: Kapow!
Speaker 3: What are you going to do?
Speaker 2: Islam on the March, are you going to tell us
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 3: I am absolutely going to tell you about that, among
Speaker 3: other fare. Please stay tuned to grab the podcast.
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