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<v Speaker 1>Something's not right here.

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<v Speaker 1>The economy is sick. Taxes are high. Housing is expensive

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<v Speaker 1>and businesses are leaving.

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<v Speaker 3>California needs fixing. And John Phillips is just the man

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<v Speaker 2>It is our pleasure to welcome our next guest to

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<v Speaker 2>the program. He is a member of the New York

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<v Speaker 2>Post editorial board and author of the new book, Weaponize

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<v Speaker 2>the Left's Capture and Destruction of America's Sacred Institutions, available

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<v Speaker 2>online at Amazon.com. You can also follow him on X

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<v Speaker 2>at Seth Barron NYC. Seth Barron, welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, thanks.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, last night was the one and only debate that

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to get here in California for governor. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not hosted by a California political reporter. It

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<v Speaker 2>was hosted by two national reporters from CNN who cover

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, cover the White House, cover national politics. And

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<v Speaker 2>by and large, last night's debate, the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to get, was all about Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>the subjects that plague California that we need real solutions on,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be the insurance crisis, the homeless crisis, the

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<v Speaker 2>bullet train, the retail theft, the state budget, you name it, fires.

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<v Speaker 2>We had scant coverage of those subjects last night, but

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of talk of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's funny, I caught a few minutes of

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<v Speaker 6>that on your show. I liked it when Becerra said,

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<v Speaker 6>you want to deport people who look like me. That

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<v Speaker 6>whole look like me theme, it's very popular now. It's

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like, I mean, isn't saying that all minorities

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<v Speaker 6>look alike, isn't that like kind of like a racist

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<v Speaker 6>thing to say? Like saying, oh, I like people who

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<v Speaker 6>look like me. Well, I mean, It's not like all

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<v Speaker 6>Latinos look the same or all black people look the same.

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<v Speaker 6>How about if I say, oh, I voted for Trump

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<v Speaker 6>because I want a president who looks like me? I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's just absurd. It's like the silliest thing to say.

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<v Speaker 6>It sounds like that's the but that's the tenor of

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<v Speaker 6>leftist politics in America today. Generally, it just becomes all

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<v Speaker 6>about identity and accusing the other side of racism.

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<v Speaker 2>After watching last night's debate, I came away with two

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<v Speaker 2>conclusions regarding Javier Becerra, the heavy favorite in the race.

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<v Speaker 2>He has no charisma, and he has no ideas. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that cut through the noise. Even among the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats that I follow on X who are watching the debate,

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<v Speaker 2>Katie Porter, for example, who went on CNN afterwards, was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about his performance.

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<v Speaker 5>And she said, well, he showed up.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it really is just good enough for them right

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<v Speaker 2>now to hate Donald Trump, put a period at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of that sentence, and that's all you need to know.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's the same thing here in New York. We

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<v Speaker 6>have Kathy Hochul, who's the governor. She wound up in

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<v Speaker 6>that position because Andy Cuomo got forced out. Now she

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<v Speaker 6>thinks she was born to it. She also has no charisma. Basically,

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<v Speaker 6>the only thing she believes in is staying in power.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think we're seeing that with Democrats across the country,

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<v Speaker 6>which is why I feel like the socialists are on

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<v Speaker 6>the upswing because they at least believe in something or

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<v Speaker 6>they claim to. And so the rest of the Democrats

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<v Speaker 6>who don't believe in anything just kind of duck their

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<v Speaker 6>heads and they're like, okay, well, whatever you've got seems

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<v Speaker 6>to be working and we don't have anything else, so

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<v Speaker 6>we'll just go along. So you see people like Mom

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<v Speaker 6>Donnie or the gal who's running in Los Angeles, end

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<v Speaker 6>up running away with things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's such a good point. And I think it's not

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<v Speaker 2>only true in New York and in California. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's true in blue states across the country where they

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<v Speaker 2>control everything. They can pick anyone they want for these

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<v Speaker 2>top positions. And they pick these remedial people, people like

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy Hochul, people like Javier Becerra, We've seen it in

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<v Speaker 2>other blue states and blue cities. God forbid, look at Oakland, California.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at Los Angeles and our mayor's race. They pick

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<v Speaker 2>these people who are incapable of doing the job. And

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<v Speaker 2>the DSA is lurking in the shadows because no Republican

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<v Speaker 2>is going to win in these places in the current climate.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can lose to a DSA candidate. And it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like the Democratic candidates all use the same playbook.

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<v Speaker 2>which is that Donald Trump is the central villain in

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<v Speaker 2>every story. And if they just talk about Donald Trump enough,

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<v Speaker 2>that will save their bacon. I mean, look at Diana

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<v Speaker 2>DeGette in Colorado, who talked about.

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<v Speaker 5>Being an impeachment manager.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with Goldman in New York in his House race.

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<v Speaker 2>And if they thought if we just kept talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how much we antagonize Trump, that'll be enough to save us.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you spend all of your time talking about that,

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<v Speaker 2>the only people in those races who are talking about

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<v Speaker 2>public policy... who claim to have solutions for problems, who

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<v Speaker 2>claim to have been thinking about and reading about all

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<v Speaker 2>of the issues that are top of mind for voters,

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<v Speaker 2>are the DSA candidates. And it seems like election after election,

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<v Speaker 2>where these Democratic candidates go down and defeat to these

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<v Speaker 2>people for the same reasons over and over, they learn nothing.

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<v Speaker 6>No. Well, the Democrats have an issue, which is that

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<v Speaker 6>they've always felt this way, that there's no enemies to

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<v Speaker 6>the left. Like they're not allowed to say that's that

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<v Speaker 6>one of their opponents is too far to the left

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<v Speaker 6>because what to them is too far. Like there's no

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<v Speaker 6>such thing. So that being the case, you can always want. Look,

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<v Speaker 6>Dan Goldman, he ran as the impeachment manager against Trump

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<v Speaker 6>and he was like a hugely staunch enemy of Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>And he just that was all that was his whole thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Now he lost his primary to another leftist, Brad Lander,

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<v Speaker 6>who's basically DSA aligned, like a hardcore liberal anti, liberals,

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<v Speaker 6>what he calls a liberal Zionist. Like he's very far left,

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<v Speaker 6>but he still calls himself a Zionist. I predict in

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<v Speaker 6>the next two years or four years, he's going to

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<v Speaker 6>get pushed out by someone who says, I'm like, we

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<v Speaker 6>can't have anybody who calls themselves a Zionist. Like we

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<v Speaker 6>have to be anti-Zionist. So I think even like the left,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, they're even mad at Mamdani now, the left,

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<v Speaker 6>because he's agreeing that anti-Semitism in theory is a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 6>They're like, well, that's, you're just selling out to the Zionists.

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<v Speaker 6>So until the Democrats and the left pull the reins of,

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<v Speaker 6>They're just going to be completely dominated by the craziest crazies,

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<v Speaker 6>like the people you see in those DSA conventions wearing

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<v Speaker 6>three masks and complaining about the smell of perfume. And

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<v Speaker 6>can the comrades please stop applauding? It's triggering my sensitivities.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, they're just going to be run by crazies.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put Trump aside for a moment because another hallmark

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<v Speaker 2>of the democratic candidates, non DSA, just regular democratic candidates

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<v Speaker 2>is if I get into office, I'm going to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>for the unions. I'm going to give the unions everything

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<v Speaker 2>they want and more. And because I deliver for the unions,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes me a good Democrat. You look at these

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<v Speaker 2>DSA voters though, you look at the purple hair demons and,

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<v Speaker 2>And when they talk about these people, they're not the

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<v Speaker 2>pro-union Democrats that you would expect them to be in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases. Because the people they despise the most, or

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<v Speaker 2>the people they seem to despise the most, to my eye,

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<v Speaker 2>are the boomers. They don't like the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>boomers own the property. They don't like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the boomers have the pensions. They don't like the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the boomers have money in their bank accounts. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the fact that their boomer parents live a

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<v Speaker 2>better life than them. and that they are downward, mobile

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that they have more college degrees than

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<v Speaker 2>their parents. They think they deserve a better life, not

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<v Speaker 2>a worse life. And when you talk about delivering for

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<v Speaker 2>the unions, well, there's a lot of unionized professions out there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's police officers, there's firefighters, there's college professors, there's architects

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<v Speaker 2>and engineers. There's all kinds of professions that these people despise.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're a Democratic candidate, you go, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>delivered for the unions. I got the firefighters a massive

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<v Speaker 2>raise and a plum for their pension.

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<v Speaker 5>You should be happy with me. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 5>that pleases the purple hair crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they believe that they're working for the enemy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, think about the way in which, okay, Medicare

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<v Speaker 6>for all, that's a key, that's a signature leftist program, right? Well,

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<v Speaker 6>what stops it from moving forward, like in a place

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<v Speaker 6>like New York, at least, is that the public sector

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<v Speaker 6>unions and their retirees would get worse healthcare if they

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<v Speaker 6>had to get what everybody gets. So they want carve-outs.

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<v Speaker 6>They want, okay, yes, everyone should get Medicare for all

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<v Speaker 6>except us because we can't step down. We don't want

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<v Speaker 6>to take a cut in our benefits. That's not fair.

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<v Speaker 6>So it puts the Democrats in this really difficult position.

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<v Speaker 6>Like they can't say, oh, it's the insurance companies. It's

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<v Speaker 6>the billionaires who are stopping everybody from having really great

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<v Speaker 6>health care. No, it's it's the unions. It's the public

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<v Speaker 6>sector unions who have who don't have to pay at

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<v Speaker 6>least in New York. They don't have, they get lifetime

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<v Speaker 6>health insurance. They don't have to pay a dime, nothing,

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<v Speaker 6>nothing towards their premiums.

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<v Speaker 5>So, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And like you said, the, like the, the, the, the

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<v Speaker 6>DSA types radical, I mean, they're basically radical communist third worldists.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't get like, they're, they want revolution. They're not

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<v Speaker 6>interested in getting a few more like home health workers,

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<v Speaker 6>signed up as union workers, union members, who, frankly, just

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<v Speaker 6>want to cooperate with, like, big government, you know, which,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the DSA is okay with, but they don't

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<v Speaker 6>necessarily have, like, a radical revolutionary point of view. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>this kind of goes back to the 60s, like the

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<v Speaker 6>hardhat riots, when you would have the hippies and anti-war

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<v Speaker 6>protesters getting beaten up by the construction workers, because they're

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<v Speaker 6>just like, you know, oh, yeah, you're on our side? Well,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't think so. I mean, maybe. It's not exactly

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<v Speaker 6>a parallel, but it's similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to me about the frustration right now that people

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<v Speaker 2>who are Republicans, who are independents, who are conservative Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>in blue states like California, like New York, where you are,

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<v Speaker 2>you could apply this logic to Massachusetts and other places

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<v Speaker 2>as well, where I get it. If you have a

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<v Speaker 2>race where the party doesn't field a candidate who is

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<v Speaker 2>actively campaigning or credible in any way and you get

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<v Speaker 2>blown out, well, that's expected. But in this cycle, for

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<v Speaker 2>the LA mayor's race, Spencer Pratt did everything right. Spencer

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<v Speaker 2>Pratt won the debate. Spencer Pratt, I think, was unbelievably

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<v Speaker 2>impressive in just about every interview he did. He never

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<v Speaker 2>fell on his face. He never came off as ignorant.

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<v Speaker 2>He never came off as someone who hasn't done the reading.

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<v Speaker 2>He came off as someone who was a serious candidate

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<v Speaker 2>who was giving it his all. His ads went viral,

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<v Speaker 2>not just locally, but nationally and internationally because of their

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<v Speaker 2>creativity and because of the point that they made in

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<v Speaker 2>a user-friendly way where everyone could understand how the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Los Angeles is failing and how the Democratic majority

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<v Speaker 2>has failed us.

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<v Speaker 5>He didn't make the runoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Hilton is working his keister off, running for governor

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<v Speaker 2>in California. He is so much more active than John Cox,

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<v Speaker 2>who ran against Newsom the first time, so much more

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<v Speaker 2>active than Brian Dolly. He went on with the Pod

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<v Speaker 2>Save America guys. He's going on every left-leaning forum that

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<v Speaker 2>is willing to have him. Becerra is doing virtually no interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>and his performance when he does show up is remedial.

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<v Speaker 5>It is awful.

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<v Speaker 2>It is embarrassing. He's going to win by 20-something points.

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<v Speaker 2>Pratt didn't make the runoff. People look at this and

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<v Speaker 2>they go, okay, I get it if we're not doing

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<v Speaker 2>what we're supposed to do and we lose. We're doing

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<v Speaker 2>everything and more of what we're supposed to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're losing to not their best and brightest, but to

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<v Speaker 2>their worst. And it's just a foregone conclusion. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>even really need to have an election in these places.

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<v Speaker 2>because you know what the result's gonna be, and then

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<v Speaker 2>people think it's not gonna get better. And I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell them that it is, because it's not. Nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get better in these states until people start voting differently.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you tell people in these blue states who

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<v Speaker 2>have that frustration?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, all of the voters for a moderate

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<v Speaker 6>Democrat or a conservative Democrat or just a moderate Republican

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<v Speaker 6>now live in Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Arizona, they've left. They

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<v Speaker 6>couldn't take it anymore. And this is, I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 6>seeing it in New York and California. They're both losing

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<v Speaker 6>congressional districts. I mean, it's remarkable. California's population actually went down.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the first time that's ever happened in the history

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<v Speaker 6>of California. New York State is losing population, not just

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<v Speaker 6>relative to the Nobody who makes any sense or has

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<v Speaker 6>any common sense wants to stay in these places.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, sure.

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<v Speaker 6>In both places, you're going to have billionaires and very

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<v Speaker 6>rich people who are fine. And you're going to have

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<v Speaker 6>very poor people who like what the benefits are. They

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<v Speaker 6>get a lot. You're going to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>homeless people in Los Angeles because the weather is great

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<v Speaker 6>and you can camp on the streets, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So....

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<v Speaker 6>You know, if you're in the middle there, you leave.

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<v Speaker 6>So who, what do you, what, what, what do you get?

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<v Speaker 6>You get like these feudal type societies and bread and

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<v Speaker 6>circus type politicians who just say the same kind of

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<v Speaker 6>things and promise more and more and more benefits. And,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I suppose if you're really rich and it

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't bother you to pay whatever in taxes, or, you know, you, you,

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<v Speaker 6>you're some kind of, you know, you feel like you're

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<v Speaker 6>a class traitor and you, and you welcome it. Um,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're right.

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<v Speaker 6>It'll keep going until it can't go anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it reminds me of? My family came

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<v Speaker 2>to this country from England. And England is a country

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<v Speaker 2>where all the ambitious people left. The ambitious people came

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States. And the people that stayed are

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<v Speaker 2>the people who were already established, who already had their wealth,

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<v Speaker 2>who already had their money, who had no reason to

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<v Speaker 2>leave because they had a very nice life there, and

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<v Speaker 2>the poor of the poor who lacked the ambitions. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's essentially the politics of that country. That's what you

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<v Speaker 2>were left with. And we're the ones that innovate. We're

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that create because all of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make a better life for themselves came here.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kind of feel like California is becoming the

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<v Speaker 2>New England where people with initiative are now leaving because

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<v Speaker 2>they know that regulation and taxation will strangle them. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's the point of sticking around for that? Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to places that will celebrate innovation and celebrate someone who

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<v Speaker 2>wants to work hard instead of punish them.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure. Or people who own property or have money to

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<v Speaker 6>invest and want to invest it in property. Why would

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<v Speaker 6>you invest in a state where they openly promise that

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<v Speaker 6>they want to destroy the rental market, that they don't

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<v Speaker 6>think housing should be done privately? that it should all

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<v Speaker 6>be a question of social housing where all housing is

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<v Speaker 6>either owned by the government or by friendly nonprofits, politically

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<v Speaker 6>amenable nonprofits. So, yes, these states are doing it to themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>And look, I live in one, you live in one.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what's wrong with us, But, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>we're stuck there right now. I'm stuck where I am

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<v Speaker 6>right now. But, you know, this is an old question. Like,

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<v Speaker 6>if people vote with their feet, and that's what we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 6>there's a major realignment across the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Seth Barron, author of the book Weaponize! The Left's Capture

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<v Speaker 2>and Destruction of America's Sacred Institutions, available online at Amazon.com.

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<v Speaker 2>You can follow him on X at SethBarronNYC. Seth Barron,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for stopping by.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>we're killing it today. 343 likes, so keep it up.

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<v Speaker 4>If you don't have a whole three hours to hang

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<v Speaker 4>get nothing done. We got plenty of people doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And yesterday, the newest edition of the Accountability podcast dropped.

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<v Speaker 7>And it is getting a lot of response.

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<v Speaker 1>Accountability, accountability, accountability.

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<v Speaker 4>Daniel Goss from danielgoss.substack.com has an interesting strategy for the L.A.

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<v Speaker 7>Mayor's race.

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<v Speaker 4>Vote for both Karen Bass and Nithya Raman and cancel

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<v Speaker 4>out your vote. So watch that episode, see what he

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<v Speaker 4>has to say, and help do me a favor. If

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<v Speaker 4>you can go in the chat, comment. the comment section

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<v Speaker 4>of that video. And anytime someone says, why can I

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<v Speaker 4>just write in Spencer Pratt, tell them that you cannot

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<v Speaker 4>write in Spencer Pratt. I don't even have time to

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<v Speaker 4>respond to all the comments of all the people that

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<v Speaker 4>keep asking if we can write in Spencer Pratt. Johnny,

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<v Speaker 4>there's somebody on the phone right now that wants to

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<v Speaker 4>know if we can just write in Spencer Pratt. You

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<v Speaker 4>cannot write in Spencer Pratt.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should just stop saying that and just tell

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<v Speaker 2>them to go ahead and do it.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then let it be a surprise when there's no

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<v Speaker 2>space on the ballot to write it in.

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<v Speaker 7>Go ahead. Write in Spencer Pratt. You do you.

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<v Speaker 5>Write it in twice. How about that?

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<v Speaker 4>Just scribble across the entire ballot, all the bubbles, Spencer Pratt.

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<v Speaker 5>And Randy, we're going to be in Long Beach soon.

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<v Speaker 4>A week from tomorrow. How soon is that? We're going

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<v Speaker 4>back to Gladstones in Long Beach, hopefully on the patio.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the weather's going to be great. We love

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<v Speaker 4>being down there. There's great food, great drinks. Have a

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<v Speaker 4>wonderful afternoon with us. We'll be hanging out with Susan

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<v Speaker 4>Shelley from the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer Association talking Prop 43,

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<v Speaker 4>the Local Taxpayer Protection Act. Local governments have figured out

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of loopholes with Prop 13 to make it

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<v Speaker 4>easier to raise your taxes. This reverses that and makes

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<v Speaker 4>it so it's once again harder to raise your taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>So if anyone around you is confused about the ballot

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a lot of propositions, all you need to

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<v Speaker 4>tell them is Prop 43, if it passes, makes it

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<v Speaker 4>harder to raise taxes. And I think we can all

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<v Speaker 4>get behind that. The John Phillips Show live at Gladstones

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<v Speaker 4>in Long Beach next Friday from noon to three.

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<v Speaker 2>It is our pleasure to welcome our next guest to

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<v Speaker 2>the program. He is the publisher of so does it matter.com,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a great place to learn about California politics.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read the excellent commentary of Mr. John Fleischman.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get it online at so does it matter.com.

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<v Speaker 2>John Fleischman.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's great to be with you guys. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this new entertaining format where I can see you guys

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<v Speaker 1>while I talk to you guys. Although apparently when I

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<v Speaker 1>come on, um, I only get Batman and not Robin

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<v Speaker 1>on the, I guess there's a, there's a limit. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a limit to the, to the, how many people can

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<v Speaker 1>be on, but you're here in spirit. The, um, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I'm sure he, can he chime in from

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<v Speaker 1>off camera? Oh, there he is.

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<v Speaker 4>I can hang out, but I'm letting you guys have

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<v Speaker 4>a little fun conversation. If you want me to be here, Fleischman,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hang out. I want you here. All right. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>What about Ann B. Davis? Can we put her in too?

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<v Speaker 5>Let me see if I can work on that.

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<v Speaker 1>She's with Sam. They've got a thing going on. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny because before I came on, I

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<v Speaker 1>heard you talking about this vote or not vote thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems to me that if you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to cast a vote in the mayor's race, just

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<v Speaker 1>don't cast a vote in the mayor's race and leave

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<v Speaker 1>it empty. I mean, I don't know about you, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would need like a vomit bucket next to me

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<v Speaker 1>to check the box next to either one of those people. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Joel Pollack at the California Post and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of a disagreement going on because,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my general attitude is if you see two candidates,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at the ballot, some people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be a strategic voter and figure, that's privilege

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<v Speaker 1>we got out. You should be a strategic voter and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out, you know, if you've got two awful candidates,

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<v Speaker 1>if one of them's awful or if one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is just a little worse. shouldn't you vote for the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's a little better? And I have a different philosophy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I'm not going to vote for someone that

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<v Speaker 1>makes me vomit in my mouth. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And so I'm not very good at strategic

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<v Speaker 1>voting because I'm not good at casting a vote for

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<v Speaker 1>someone whose value system I disagree with. And so, as

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<v Speaker 1>I like to put it, if your choice on the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot is between drinking battery acid or eating rat poison, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, which one do you want to do? And

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<v Speaker 1>I can actually argue that the rat poison will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>The battery acid will just destroy your throat. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you better drink the battery acid. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I just hijacked your show, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, but it's an important conversation because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same way as you. It's like if you

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<v Speaker 2>go take a driving test and you run a red light,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter how well you can parallel park. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to fail the test because you ran a red light.

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<v Speaker 2>And to my eye, both of these candidates have disqualified themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot vote for anyone who affiliates with the DSA

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<v Speaker 2>under any circumstances. I believe in public safety. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>in private property rights. I don't like the anti-Semitism. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't subscribe to any of that. But with Karen Bass,

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<v Speaker 2>she's almost as left-wing as Nithya Raman, maybe not quite

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<v Speaker 2>as left-wing, but her performance during the fires is disqualifying.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only was her performance awful, but she doctored

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<v Speaker 2>up the after-action report to take the heat off of her,

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<v Speaker 2>which should be illegal, which means she learned nothing from it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if there's another fire, the same thing is going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the story with Karen Bass and how liberal she is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's gone down the exact same route as Fidel and

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<v Speaker 1>Raul Castro, who she admires. So we all know that

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<v Speaker 1>pure communism doesn't actually work. And so at some point

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<v Speaker 1>when you have to run the city, you realize, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't run the city without the unions. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes left-wing ideologue meets practical corruption right in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she somehow is more palatable because even though

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to be an ideologue like Nithya Raman, she

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<v Speaker 1>can't be because she said to actually run the city

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<v Speaker 1>and collude with the unions. Therefore, you could probably figure

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:25.140
<v Speaker 1>out that if Raman does win, Then out goes one

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Fidel Castro model, and in comes the next one as

0:26:28.100 --> 0:26:30.070
<v Speaker 1>Rahman then figures out, well, I want to do all

0:26:30.090 --> 0:26:33.270
<v Speaker 1>these batshit crazy things. Sorry if I can say that. Sorry.

0:26:33.750 --> 0:26:36.449
<v Speaker 1>I did that last time. All these nutty things. She

0:26:36.490 --> 0:26:38.230
<v Speaker 1>wants to do all these nutty things, but she can't

0:26:38.270 --> 0:26:40.859
<v Speaker 1>get anywhere without the union, so then it begins. Well,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>what do you guys need to sign off on my plan? Oh, well,

0:26:44.060 --> 0:26:45.459
<v Speaker 1>we need this and this and this, and then all

0:26:45.500 --> 0:26:48.179
<v Speaker 1>you've done is replace the Well, you know, if you

0:26:48.220 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>want the unions on board, you can't hold any employees accountable.

0:26:51.630 --> 0:26:53.290
<v Speaker 1>We only work on what we want to work on.

0:26:53.310 --> 0:26:55.649
<v Speaker 1>We need more pay. We need more adjustments. Well, if

0:26:55.950 --> 0:26:58.990
<v Speaker 1>Nithya Raman makes that agreement with the unions, she then

0:26:59.050 --> 0:27:03.070
<v Speaker 1>just becomes the next Karen Bass. Because that's literally Karen

0:27:03.090 --> 0:27:05.540
<v Speaker 1>Bass went into the job, I'm sure, saying, I got

0:27:05.580 --> 0:27:09.540
<v Speaker 1>to be this ideologue in Congress. And I love Che Guevara.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:14.580
<v Speaker 1>And I love Fidel Castro. And oh, darn it. The

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:16.980
<v Speaker 1>city doesn't work by just doing that. You have to

0:27:17.420 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 1>be corrupt. So anyways, I can understand, though. I think Joel,

0:27:22.060 --> 0:27:23.770
<v Speaker 1>when I was talking to him, his point was that

0:27:23.790 --> 0:27:26.890
<v Speaker 1>when he watched the forum, Nithya Rahman was so bad

0:27:27.050 --> 0:27:29.970
<v Speaker 1>on Palestine and some of those issues that really moved.

0:27:30.550 --> 0:27:34.370
<v Speaker 1>I'm Jewish, just like Joel. But Joel sees those as,

0:27:35.190 --> 0:27:37.930
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's so bad that I'd rather just have baths.

0:27:38.190 --> 0:27:40.870
<v Speaker 1>She failed me on the fires. My house had damage.

0:27:41.350 --> 0:27:43.609
<v Speaker 1>My neighbors are gone. But she's better. I don't want

0:27:43.630 --> 0:27:46.510
<v Speaker 1>to speak for Joel. But anyways, like I said, I've

0:27:46.550 --> 0:27:49.510
<v Speaker 1>kind of taken a thought. My official admonition to everybody

0:27:49.570 --> 0:27:52.670
<v Speaker 1>watching this show is this is a very deeply personal

0:27:52.710 --> 0:27:55.310
<v Speaker 1>decision about whether you would want to vote for the

0:27:55.410 --> 0:27:58.620
<v Speaker 1>best of the worst or whether the options are so

0:27:58.660 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>bad you don't vote at all. Robin, what do you think?

0:28:02.180 --> 0:28:05.260
<v Speaker 1>John already agrees with me. What's your position?

0:28:05.900 --> 0:28:09.219
<v Speaker 4>Well. I have to actually vote in this election and

0:28:09.420 --> 0:28:12.100
<v Speaker 4>I'm having a tough time with it. We had Daniel guesses.

0:28:12.180 --> 0:28:14.500
<v Speaker 4>I should vote for both and then just cancel it out.

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 4>The thing is for anyone.

0:28:16.900 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>That says, then you may as well vote for neither.

0:28:18.460 --> 0:28:19.899
<v Speaker 1>Cause if you vote for both, one of them is

0:28:19.940 --> 0:28:21.369
<v Speaker 1>going to win and you own it. Cause for the

0:28:21.430 --> 0:28:23.050
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life, I'm going to say, well, don't complain.

0:28:23.070 --> 0:28:23.830
<v Speaker 1>You voted for him.

0:28:24.290 --> 0:28:25.070
<v Speaker 7>That's a good point.

0:28:25.550 --> 0:28:27.989
<v Speaker 4>The thing is for anyone telling me, and we had

0:28:28.030 --> 0:28:31.590
<v Speaker 4>this very contentious conversation with former LA city councilman, Dennis

0:28:31.630 --> 0:28:34.570
<v Speaker 4>Zion last week about how, well, Karen Bass is trying

0:28:34.630 --> 0:28:37.110
<v Speaker 4>to do the right thing. Well, I've lived under four

0:28:37.150 --> 0:28:40.990
<v Speaker 4>years of Karen Bass. I cannot reward that. I don't also,

0:28:41.070 --> 0:28:43.890
<v Speaker 4>I think Nithya could be much, much, much worse, but

0:28:44.210 --> 0:28:47.209
<v Speaker 4>Karen Bass has been an object failure. And for anyone saying, well,

0:28:47.230 --> 0:28:48.710
<v Speaker 4>we got to vote for her because we don't want

0:28:48.750 --> 0:28:52.630
<v Speaker 4>the DSA in there. What exactly about Karen Bass isn't

0:28:52.820 --> 0:28:54.060
<v Speaker 4>already DSA?

0:28:54.380 --> 0:28:55.380
<v Speaker 7>Please tell me.

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>By the way, if you want to take a practical

0:28:57.940 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>application of this for readers who maybe aren't like you

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.420
<v Speaker 1>trapped in Los Angeles, we have the same situation in

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.980
<v Speaker 1>the California state insurance commissioners race. There you've got a,

0:29:07.340 --> 0:29:09.380
<v Speaker 1>it's the only race in the state where it's a

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.820
<v Speaker 1>Democrat against a Democrat. The top two vote getters were

0:29:12.860 --> 0:29:16.500
<v Speaker 1>both Democrats. And of course, Kim out of San Francisco

0:29:16.620 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>is DSA endorsed. I mean, she is the DSA candidate, right?

0:29:21.500 --> 0:29:23.980
<v Speaker 1>So then I start, you know, I'm like a loser

0:29:24.020 --> 0:29:26.459
<v Speaker 1>in my new Tesla. So I'm driving along talking with

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:30.630
<v Speaker 1>Grok and I'm going year by year by year, asking

0:29:30.670 --> 0:29:33.970
<v Speaker 1>about Ben Allen's voting record year by year by year, right?

0:29:34.420 --> 0:29:36.310
<v Speaker 1>And by the time you're done, an hour later on

0:29:36.330 --> 0:29:39.890
<v Speaker 1>my drive, that guy has voted happily and in some

0:29:39.950 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 1>places sponsored every single thing we hate Gavin Newsom for.

0:29:45.260 --> 0:29:47.420
<v Speaker 1>Everything from he voted to raise the gas taxes. He

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.620
<v Speaker 1>was a big sponsor of the cap and trade. I

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.940
<v Speaker 1>could go on and on and on and on. So

0:29:52.980 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>if you look at the scale of one to 100

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>with maybe, you know, if John Phillips was on the ballot,

0:29:57.460 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>he'd be 100. Well, maybe in 98, he'd obsess on

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:07.070
<v Speaker 1>the trash coming over the Tijuana border. But it's like 98, 98, 98.

0:30:07.070 --> 0:30:10.330
<v Speaker 1>And then these two, let's call Kim a zero, right? Well,

0:30:10.350 --> 0:30:14.310
<v Speaker 1>Ben Allen's like a 10. And so you then have

0:30:14.330 --> 0:30:17.820
<v Speaker 1>to ask yourself this question. Do you want zero or 10?

0:30:17.820 --> 0:30:18.220
<v Speaker 5>I have 100.

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:22.620
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not sure I could vote for that. My

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:23.900
<v Speaker 1>jury is still out.

0:30:24.580 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 5>I can vote in that one. I can vote in

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:27.380
<v Speaker 5>that one.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I will vote for Ben Allen because he's been an

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.950
<v Speaker 2>awful state senator, awful, and I disagree with virtually everything

0:30:35.990 --> 0:30:41.650
<v Speaker 2>he's done there. However, as insurance commissioner, with the duties

0:30:41.690 --> 0:30:44.410
<v Speaker 2>that come with that office, he's not going to try

0:30:44.450 --> 0:30:46.690
<v Speaker 2>to create a new state agency where I'm going to

0:30:46.730 --> 0:30:50.290
<v Speaker 2>be forced to buy my insurance. And that is a

0:30:50.410 --> 0:30:51.729
<v Speaker 2>difference between him and her.

0:30:52.530 --> 0:30:54.729
<v Speaker 1>And that's fair. When I wrote my column on this topic,

0:30:54.810 --> 0:30:57.250
<v Speaker 1>I actually put in there, I'm not quite decided yet

0:30:57.410 --> 0:30:58.930
<v Speaker 1>on what to do about Ben Allen, because you brought

0:30:58.970 --> 0:31:02.250
<v Speaker 1>up a good point. It's not just analyzing the candidates.

0:31:02.970 --> 0:31:05.730
<v Speaker 1>It's analyzing the office and the situation in which they

0:31:05.750 --> 0:31:06.510
<v Speaker 1>will be elected.

0:31:07.210 --> 0:31:08.650
<v Speaker 5>So it's complicated.

0:31:08.670 --> 0:31:11.350
<v Speaker 1>So the message for all of the listeners is you

0:31:11.370 --> 0:31:14.190
<v Speaker 1>have to find your own way here. And for me,

0:31:14.230 --> 0:31:16.550
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, there is a moment

0:31:16.690 --> 0:31:21.020
<v Speaker 1>where your pen is above the ballot and For me,

0:31:21.100 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 1>at that moment, my head gets out of the way

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.060
<v Speaker 1>and I listen to my heart. But there are going

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.250
<v Speaker 1>to be other people who say my heart is having

0:31:30.270 --> 0:31:33.150
<v Speaker 1>an attack, but my head says this is what to do.

0:31:33.550 --> 0:31:35.470
<v Speaker 1>So are you a head voter or a heart voter?

0:31:36.390 --> 0:31:40.590
<v Speaker 1>Good luck with all of that. John, I completely sabotaged

0:31:40.630 --> 0:31:43.110
<v Speaker 1>half of my appearance on your show talking about my agenda.

0:31:43.890 --> 0:31:44.870
<v Speaker 1>What do you want to talk about?

0:31:45.190 --> 0:31:47.070
<v Speaker 7>Didn't we book you on the governor's debate?

0:31:47.110 --> 0:31:49.010
<v Speaker 5>Well, let's talk about that. We did.

0:31:50.570 --> 0:31:51.990
<v Speaker 1>But this is where I get to tell John, wait,

0:31:52.030 --> 0:31:54.260
<v Speaker 1>this is the John Phillips was right. I'm going to

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:57.260
<v Speaker 1>do this for John because if not, John looks like

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.780
<v Speaker 1>he's full of himself. When I was on this program,

0:31:59.900 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe not the last time or the time before, all

0:32:02.540 --> 0:32:04.420
<v Speaker 1>John said was this guy's going to hide in his

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:09.209
<v Speaker 1>basement and he's going to come out once. And fast forward,

0:32:09.350 --> 0:32:11.709
<v Speaker 1>not to make John into some sort of prophet, but

0:32:11.770 --> 0:32:14.090
<v Speaker 1>we have now seen the appearance. He came out of

0:32:14.130 --> 0:32:19.020
<v Speaker 1>his basement once. And he did it by demanding his format,

0:32:19.140 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>his location, his crew. There's an outstanding column that was

0:32:22.460 --> 0:32:25.670
<v Speaker 1>written by, oh, John Phillips, on this very topic for

0:32:25.710 --> 0:32:27.850
<v Speaker 1>the Southern California News Group. He talked about it on

0:32:27.890 --> 0:32:31.110
<v Speaker 1>a State of Gold podcast, and he's talked about it here. John,

0:32:31.170 --> 0:32:32.730
<v Speaker 1>I'm queuing you up. Go ahead.

0:32:33.710 --> 0:32:37.969
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd like to say that I'm Nostradamus, but I'm not.

0:32:38.230 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 2>You could see this, as Chick Hearn would say, you

0:32:40.820 --> 0:32:43.540
<v Speaker 2>could call it with Braille. You knew what was going

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:47.910
<v Speaker 2>to happen here. You knew that Becerra... is buying into

0:32:47.930 --> 0:32:50.930
<v Speaker 2>the Adam Schiff philosophy of once the primary is over,

0:32:50.970 --> 0:32:54.340
<v Speaker 2>the election's over, so why bother? I don't think he's

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>changed his campaign website since the primary because it's all

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 2>trashing Tom Steyer. Shows up to the debate, talks about

0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump for a couple hours, and we're not going

0:33:03.900 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to see him again. And I'll tell you, I had

0:33:06.740 --> 0:33:11.740
<v Speaker 2>two takeaways from last night's debate. One is that Becerra

0:33:11.780 --> 0:33:17.020
<v Speaker 2>has no charisma, and the other is that Becerra... has

0:33:17.820 --> 0:33:22.790
<v Speaker 2>no ideas. And that's a bad combination as a candidate.

0:33:23.050 --> 0:33:25.090
<v Speaker 2>It's not enough to keep him from winning in a

0:33:25.110 --> 0:33:29.150
<v Speaker 2>state like California, but it's a bad combination. It's also

0:33:29.190 --> 0:33:32.010
<v Speaker 2>a bad combination for governing. Because if you have no

0:33:32.070 --> 0:33:35.420
<v Speaker 2>charisma and no ideas, and then you add on to it,

0:33:35.550 --> 0:33:38.300
<v Speaker 2>as a Democrat, you have a bad relationship with the press,

0:33:39.380 --> 0:33:42.420
<v Speaker 2>good luck running this basket case of a state for

0:33:42.460 --> 0:33:42.980
<v Speaker 2>four years.

0:33:45.340 --> 0:33:48.980
<v Speaker 1>You are 100 percent correct. Matter of fact, that's kind

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.900
<v Speaker 1>of how I ended my column this morning when I

0:33:50.940 --> 0:33:53.910
<v Speaker 1>wrote like a post-debate column at home. I got to

0:33:53.970 --> 0:33:57.150
<v Speaker 1>promote myself at so does it matter dot com. But

0:33:58.830 --> 0:34:00.350
<v Speaker 1>and the end of it was like, how are you

0:34:00.370 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>going to possibly run the state from your basements? And he,

0:34:03.860 --> 0:34:05.860
<v Speaker 1>you know, and this gets back to the other point

0:34:05.900 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>where we talked about how they purposely didn't have Alex Michelson, who,

0:34:09.290 --> 0:34:13.610
<v Speaker 1>of course, is at CNN, understands California politics. Alex Michelson

0:34:13.650 --> 0:34:15.930
<v Speaker 1>would have looked right. I'm convinced of it. He would

0:34:15.950 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>look right at Becerra and said, tell us a couple

0:34:19.020 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of things that you think Gavin Newsom did right. And

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things you think Gavin Newsom did wrong.

0:34:23.940 --> 0:34:25.899
<v Speaker 1>And then as soon as he started the obvious gate,

0:34:26.540 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Alex would have said, no, no, no. I think you

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>misunderstood the question. He would have gone right back at him.

0:34:31.380 --> 0:34:33.910
<v Speaker 1>And then you start to get some substance. But to

0:34:33.930 --> 0:34:36.330
<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, the game over was when somebody

0:34:36.450 --> 0:34:39.870
<v Speaker 1>agreed to a debate format where it's one minute each side.

0:34:40.370 --> 0:34:41.950
<v Speaker 1>Then what you get and it kind of rhymes, it's

0:34:42.010 --> 0:34:45.750
<v Speaker 1>the clickbait debate. And then under the clickbait debate, both

0:34:45.790 --> 0:34:50.650
<v Speaker 1>candidates lose and both candidates win. They lose because nobody

0:34:50.730 --> 0:34:54.150
<v Speaker 1>actually gets to communicate anything coherent to the electorate. And

0:34:54.170 --> 0:34:57.390
<v Speaker 1>they both win because they each now get little snippets

0:34:57.450 --> 0:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that they get to run as reels on YouTube and

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:03.740
<v Speaker 1>on X, where they get to talk about what they

0:35:03.980 --> 0:35:05.899
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do. And at the end of the day,

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the voters didn't learn anything. And there was never any

0:35:09.100 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>ability for this to change any trajectory. because it was

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.460
<v Speaker 1>cooked before the guy agreed to leave the basement.

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.220
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you, it just adds to the despair

0:35:21.300 --> 0:35:24.700
<v Speaker 2>that so many people in California have where not only

0:35:24.940 --> 0:35:28.439
<v Speaker 2>are we denied two viable parties in this state, now

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 2>we're denied even having a conversation about the future of

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the state.

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 5>We can't have that now too.

0:35:36.610 --> 0:35:40.590
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. And so, and so it's really kind of interesting because,

0:35:41.410 --> 0:35:43.930
<v Speaker 1>you know, love him or hate him. You, you know,

0:35:43.950 --> 0:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Gavin Newsom, you know, was very art. You couldn't get

0:35:48.500 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 1>between him and a camera.

0:35:49.739 --> 0:35:49.959
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.819
<v Speaker 1>And he, you know, had all the things he wanted.

0:35:51.860 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>You kind of know what's going on there. Now you

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 1>may be confused because he changes his positions on issues.

0:35:57.700 --> 0:36:00.580
<v Speaker 1>But at least he's doing that publicly. With Becerra, it's

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.450
<v Speaker 1>just all quiet. I mean, I think there have been

0:36:03.530 --> 0:36:06.549
<v Speaker 1>three or four major policy areas that have come up.

0:36:06.610 --> 0:36:09.069
<v Speaker 1>The one that comes to most of my mind is

0:36:09.110 --> 0:36:12.890
<v Speaker 1>the legislature not doing anything relative to wildfires and power companies.

0:36:12.930 --> 0:36:14.790
<v Speaker 1>And there was a deal that was trying to come

0:36:14.830 --> 0:36:17.150
<v Speaker 1>together at the end. And they pitched it over to

0:36:17.190 --> 0:36:20.109
<v Speaker 1>Becerra saying, what do you think should come out of this?

0:36:21.310 --> 0:36:25.230
<v Speaker 1>No comment. Right on this major issue. And he does

0:36:25.270 --> 0:36:28.109
<v Speaker 1>that over and over and over again. And, you know,

0:36:28.330 --> 0:36:30.550
<v Speaker 1>you just, you know, wonder what we're going to actually

0:36:30.590 --> 0:36:32.170
<v Speaker 1>get when we get to Sacramento.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.489
<v Speaker 2>Who do you think is going to actually be in charge?

0:36:34.860 --> 0:36:37.980
<v Speaker 2>Because I have a feeling it's not going to be Becerra.

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be some Dana Williamson type of character.

0:36:41.420 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be the unions. It's going to be

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>some cadre. You already got it.

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.260
<v Speaker 1>You already got it. So this is what's going to happen.

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.900
<v Speaker 1>This guy triangulates on everything. So I don't care if

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.420
<v Speaker 1>the issue is what kind of number do we continue

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to use number two pencils in schools? Or are we

0:36:57.100 --> 0:37:00.790
<v Speaker 1>going to overhaul how utilities company works? He starts pinging around.

0:37:00.830 --> 0:37:02.170
<v Speaker 1>What do you think? What do you think? What do

0:37:02.210 --> 0:37:04.430
<v Speaker 1>you think? And at the end of the day, who

0:37:04.469 --> 0:37:08.690
<v Speaker 1>has the loudest noise in Sacramento? It's the SEIU. It's

0:37:08.730 --> 0:37:11.819
<v Speaker 1>the CTA. In some cases, it's some of the big

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:15.320
<v Speaker 1>tech companies. Whoever's got the most clout, it's going to

0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:20.400
<v Speaker 1>be some combination of their input. And then I'm afraid

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>we're going to deal with a little bit of the

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:26.870
<v Speaker 1>who talked to him last. I can't quite tell that's

0:37:26.890 --> 0:37:30.569
<v Speaker 1>the case. So at the end of the day, we

0:37:30.610 --> 0:37:33.790
<v Speaker 1>may look back and realize that Gavin Newsom actually showed,

0:37:34.310 --> 0:37:37.750
<v Speaker 1>compared to this guy, showed independence from the special interests,

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<v Speaker 1>even though his interests were alike. You got the impression

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<v Speaker 1>that if Gavin Newsom is talking to the CTA, they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of agree. You know what? I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that. Which is different than, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>you want. I don't have an opinion, so let's go

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<v Speaker 1>your way. I'm not at all convinced that that Xavier

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<v Speaker 1>Becerra has any firm conviction on any issue. And because

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<v Speaker 1>if you did, you would, I don't know, communicate that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't communicate anything. And I think it goes

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<v Speaker 1>well beyond the basement theory, the John Phillips basement theory,

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<v Speaker 1>which I made a political cartoon today about your basement theory. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have credited, I should have said the John

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips basement. Um, But or the Joe Biden basement, because

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<v Speaker 1>you basically said it's the Joe Biden plan. But what

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't done is taken positions on issues. But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do that in really in in in the primary either.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing positions he took issues on took positions

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<v Speaker 1>on were those that were really important to the big

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<v Speaker 1>special interests.

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<v Speaker 5>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have to leave it there. John Fleischman,

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<v Speaker 2>publisher of SoDoesItMatter.com. If you want more analysis on this

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<v Speaker 2>and so much more, check out the website, sodoesitmatter.com, and

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<v Speaker 2>follow him on X at Flash Report. John Fleischman, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>so much for stopping by.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.