WEBVTT - I Know Grass & Trees... That's Pretty Much It. 0:00:09.850 --> 0:00:13.550 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio. 0:00:13.590 --> 0:00:15.760 The George Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:15.810 --> 0:00:17.980 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:19.560 Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:19.660 --> 0:00:31.390 And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:31.410 --> 0:00:33.350 The holdout juror in the Lindsay Clancy trial was a 0:00:33.350 --> 0:00:33.930 black man. 0:00:34.150 --> 0:00:36.770 And I'm not going to share any opinions here. 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:42.710 Practicing white. I'm surprised. It changes the landscape of the 0:00:42.750 --> 0:00:43.870 conversation a little bit. 0:00:44.170 --> 0:00:44.350 What? 0:00:44.729 --> 0:00:46.370 And I think a lot of us were assuming that 0:00:46.409 --> 0:00:49.530 it was a white man. That's talking about the Clancy jury. 0:00:49.990 --> 0:00:53.550 Why does it change the landscape of the discussion if 0:00:53.590 --> 0:00:55.190 the holdout was a black guy? 0:00:55.210 --> 0:00:58.660 Because she's a woke racist, obviously. 0:01:00.460 --> 0:01:05.640 And the idea is that all smart people clearly thought 0:01:05.740 --> 0:01:06.660 she should have been acquitted? 0:01:07.670 --> 0:01:10.810 And to have a black person go against that would... 0:01:10.650 --> 0:01:19.200 Is that it? Yeah, not smart as much as... Moral, correct. Yeah, yeah. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.730 And of course we can't gloss over the phrase non-practicing white. 0:01:24.069 --> 0:01:25.230 What the hell is that? 0:01:25.430 --> 0:01:31.250 I'm a practicing white man, by the way. Practice makes perfect. Anyway, yeah, 0:01:31.350 --> 0:01:33.530 so obviously a crazy, woke person. 0:01:33.550 --> 0:01:36.430 But interesting, because. 0:01:35.580 --> 0:01:39.200 We're always talking about this, she's obviously very bright and well-spoken. 0:01:40.580 --> 0:01:47.080 But intelligence and wisdom and perspective and ideology are completely 0:01:47.260 --> 0:01:49.680 different elements in the equation of what kind of person 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:49.950 that is. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:55.540 I'm a non-practicing white person. That is pathetic. And she 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.240 is a woke-a-doodle. I practice 20 minutes a day with 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.680 a metronome. Wow. Wow. 0:02:00.900 --> 0:02:03.120 That would explain, you know, your obvious skills. How good 0:02:03.140 --> 0:02:06.460 my wife is. Oh, it's terrific, yes. So I've got a. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.080 Couple of things for you on that topic that I 0:02:08.100 --> 0:02:10.540 found really interesting and hope you do, too. First of all, 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:15.840 the wonderful Helen Pluckrose describing what woke is. And this 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.660 needs to be at the base of your understanding of 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.650 what everybody's talking about with this crap. 0:02:21.610 --> 0:02:22.130 It's pretty short. 0:02:22.210 --> 0:02:24.590 The term woke is most commonly used to describe the 0:02:24.630 --> 0:02:28.460 critical social justice movement. Its beliefs are rooted in critical 0:02:28.540 --> 0:02:33.440 theories such as post-colonial theory, the whole settler colonial thing, 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.340 queer theory, critical race theory, which themselves draw upon post-modern 0:02:37.380 --> 0:02:39.060 concepts of knowledge, power, and language. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:40.619 According to this framework. 0:02:40.940 --> 0:02:45.790 Knowledge is socially constructed in the service of identity-based power. 0:02:46.270 --> 0:02:50.710 It's not objectively discovered. It's constructed to serve the powerful. 0:02:51.250 --> 0:02:55.889 Dominant groups, particularly white, western, heterosexual, cisgender, and able-bodied men, 0:02:56.190 --> 0:02:59.370 determine which forms of knowledge are regarded as legitimate. These 0:02:59.510 --> 0:03:03.109 dominant discourses shape how society understands the world and thereby 0:03:03.169 --> 0:03:07.500 create and perpetuate a system of oppression such as racism, patriarchy, 0:03:07.590 --> 0:03:14.889 and transphobia. Because people are socialized into these discourses or 0:03:14.950 --> 0:03:17.389 ways of seeing the world, they're held to be largely 0:03:17.630 --> 0:03:20.889 unaware that they're participating in the oppressive system. 0:03:21.310 --> 0:03:23.740 Those who have adopted CSJ theories. 0:03:24.139 --> 0:03:27.760 Especially members of marginalized groups, are regarded as uniquely able 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.300 to perceive and expose these invisible structures. 0:03:31.580 --> 0:03:36.690 Hence, they are woke. They have awakened to the structural evil. 0:03:37.420 --> 0:03:42.020 Disagreement, criticism, or questions about any of this are understood 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.330 as evidence of ignorance or resistance to recognizing one's own 0:03:46.490 --> 0:03:50.150 complicity and desire to preserve one's own privilege. 0:03:50.190 --> 0:03:55.040 So that fits in with that anti-racist nonsense that Coase 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.280 came up with. If you say you're not racist, that's 0:03:58.420 --> 0:04:02.080 proof that you're racist. Because you're just not awakened to 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.490 all of these things that I can see because my 0:04:04.910 --> 0:04:07.030 ability to perceive these things is at a much higher 0:04:07.090 --> 0:04:07.970 level than that. 0:04:08.410 --> 0:04:11.830 And happily, if you admit you are racist, that's also 0:04:11.870 --> 0:04:14.089 proof that you're racist. And if you say I'm not 0:04:14.290 --> 0:04:17.770 sure if I'm racist, that's extra strong proof that you're racist. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.800 So you need to shut up and give up power. 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.100 If that sounds like Calvin Ball, if you were a 0:04:22.140 --> 0:04:24.979 Calvin Hobbes fan back in the day, where he constantly 0:04:25.020 --> 0:04:27.520 changes the rules so you always lose, yes, that is 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:28.340 exactly what that is. 0:04:28.930 --> 0:04:31.190 One more note from the wonderful Helen Pluckrose. 0:04:31.630 --> 0:04:35.750 Allowing dissenting views to be believed or even spoken is 0:04:35.790 --> 0:04:39.500 to enable the discourses to continue to construct the oppressive 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.360 systems and is akin to violence... And she points out 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.440 that part is weakening now. People aren't being shoved out 0:04:46.460 --> 0:04:47.679 of careers for saying. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.680 Of course, Black Lives Matter, all lives matter, for instance. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.430 So I just thought that was a really, really clear, 0:05:13.490 --> 0:05:16.800 concise definition of the worldview that these people have learned. And, 0:05:16.990 --> 0:05:18.779 you know, we can talk about the origins of it, 0:05:18.810 --> 0:05:20.870 but we have before and we will again. I'm going 0:05:20.890 --> 0:05:22.530 to throw this in for fun and then we'll get 0:05:22.550 --> 0:05:29.010 to the DSA. That socialist Senate nominee, Angie Dixon, in Florida, 0:05:29.470 --> 0:05:32.820 she's the black lady who always wears that pink fuchsia. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.620 Is that what you call it? Shade of pink? I've 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:39.160 always been bad at, like, your second-tier colors. I can 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:39.520 tell you. 0:05:39.460 --> 0:05:43.940 What's green, but whether it's Kelly green or... What an 0:05:43.980 --> 0:05:45.850 interesting thing to know about yourself. 0:05:47.670 --> 0:05:48.690 I just, I'm not interested. 0:05:48.930 --> 0:05:49.510 I can never remember. 0:05:49.550 --> 0:05:53.980 I've always been bad at second-tier colors. You have a 0:05:54.020 --> 0:05:58.440 very intricate knowledge of your strengths and weaknesses. Well, yeah, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.310 I actually do because I like to be right. But 0:06:01.570 --> 0:06:05.450 the other thing I'm terrible at is identifying plants. I've 0:06:05.589 --> 0:06:09.810 tried to remember what plants are which, and I just can't. 0:06:09.830 --> 0:06:11.430 I have no idea. I always have to ask my wife, 0:06:11.790 --> 0:06:14.180 what is that bush again? I have no idea where 0:06:14.190 --> 0:06:16.720 I rank on the plant identifying scale. It's like I 0:06:16.740 --> 0:06:20.000 got brain damage. I should put some thought into these things. Eh, 0:06:20.010 --> 0:06:23.290 it wouldn't do me any good. Anyway, so this socialist. 0:06:23.250 --> 0:06:28.770 Democrat, Angie Dixon, she's an avowed democratic socialist, doesn't. 0:06:28.510 --> 0:06:30.040 Believe in private property. 0:06:30.500 --> 0:06:35.840 She owns two homes and raked in at least $ 270, 000 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:40.620 last year. She is absolutely, like all of these people are, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:46.190 a champagne socialist. Crazy, a child of affluence who somehow 0:06:46.529 --> 0:06:48.010 feels guilty about it, I guess. 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.420 Anyway, that brings us to the main topic. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.170 The New York Times had a piece recently. The headline was, 0:06:54.500 --> 0:06:58.610 Seeking Jolt, GOP Turns to a New Red Scare. 0:07:00.130 --> 0:07:01.089 And as who wrote this? 0:07:01.130 --> 0:07:05.250 Ira Stoll wrote in the Free Beacon. Even by the 0:07:05.310 --> 0:07:08.950 standards of modern partisan cheerleading, every once in a while, okay, 0:07:09.050 --> 0:07:11.270 almost every day, an article comes along that is so 0:07:11.390 --> 0:07:14.370 shameless in its Democratic Party advocacy that it's enough to 0:07:14.410 --> 0:07:16.610 make a reader laugh out loud or at least engage 0:07:16.650 --> 0:07:20.390 in a visible eye roll. And it goes through how 0:07:20.510 --> 0:07:27.470 it's a red scare. The accusation that Democrats are communists is, quote, far-fetched, quote, baseless, because, quote, 0:07:27.750 --> 0:07:32.250 no credible midterm candidate identifies as a communist. Also, the charge, quote, 0:07:32.270 --> 0:07:36.640 has little overlap with Democrats' actual platforms. But then finally, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.670 in the 14th paragraph, they get to, they, uh. 0:07:41.270 --> 0:07:42.500 Bernie Sanders and all. 0:07:42.420 --> 0:07:49.000 These democratic socialists praising the Cuban Revolution, or what's it, 0:07:49.100 --> 0:07:54.180 Dario Eliza Villas Chavalier, God, too many names, once maintained 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.480 a social media account that suggested public libraries should carry 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.600 more Marxist literature. And then Ira Stoll gets into the 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.950 fact that Marxists always claim they're not Marxists in the U.S. 0:08:04.190 --> 0:08:07.570 They always claim they're not communists. So, way to go, 0:08:07.610 --> 0:08:10.070 New York Times. But that brings us to the ultimate, 0:08:10.190 --> 0:08:13.970 ultimate thing I wanted to talk about. Absolutely great coverage 0:08:14.010 --> 0:08:19.489 in the free press about the civil war inside the DSA. Because, 0:08:19.690 --> 0:08:22.390 you know, almost to their credit, the DSA tolerates a 0:08:22.430 --> 0:08:25.380 lot of dissenting voices and a lot of dissenting points 0:08:25.420 --> 0:08:29.420 of view. They're all freaking whack jobs. But they got 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:35.220 into the various coalitions within the DSA. They're caucuses, they 0:08:35.260 --> 0:08:39.160 call them. And they have a list of them along 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.319 with how significant they are. 0:08:41.340 --> 0:08:44.900 Oops, this is the wrong one. Dang it, where is it? Sorry, 0:08:44.940 --> 0:08:46.939 say something perceptive. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:54.660 I want to talk about what Trump said about AI yesterday. Tweeted, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.400 or truth socialed all day long. Really strong takes on 0:08:58.420 --> 0:09:00.830 the whole AI thing, which I think now means it 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:01.870 is red-pilled. 0:09:03.510 --> 0:09:06.250 Whatever that means, so stay tuned. Yeah, you know, I 0:09:06.290 --> 0:09:08.780 get lost on the whole pill thing. It's like identifying 0:09:08.820 --> 0:09:09.360 plants to me. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.179 I can never remember. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:14.739 So if you come across an obscure sort of red, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.240 sort of pink plant, you're at a loss for description. 0:09:18.980 --> 0:09:21.380 Oh, even if I've been told the name 20 times before? 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.000 You wouldn't know the plant or the color. So it's 0:09:24.059 --> 0:09:27.310 kind of an off-pink and a plant you don't know. 0:09:27.990 --> 0:09:29.330 You just stared at it and. 0:09:29.190 --> 0:09:32.830 Go, gah. You don't have the color and you don't 0:09:32.850 --> 0:09:36.100 have the plant. Well, no, I'm saying like we've got, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:36.679 I don't know. 0:09:36.700 --> 0:09:40.380 Like five different plants in our landscaping in our yard. 0:09:40.980 --> 0:09:42.920 And I've been told the names of the various plants 0:09:43.179 --> 0:09:44.340 over and over again. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:46.099 I know. And I look at it. 0:09:46.100 --> 0:09:50.390 I know grass and trees. That's pretty much it. Yes, 0:09:50.510 --> 0:09:54.470 I am your equal. I'm absolutely your equal. You know, 0:09:54.490 --> 0:09:56.730 I'm looking at the clock. We actually don't have time 0:09:56.790 --> 0:09:59.910 to rush through this. I think it's worth a look. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:06.120 At the various factions within the DSA that are absolutely kooky. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.490 And absolutely disprove the New York. 0:10:09.370 --> 0:10:12.330 Times premise, too, for what it's worth. 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That is a 0:12:19.780 --> 0:12:21.580 heck of a record to beat. Once again, you've got 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.130 to shut down the whole Guinness Book thing. Nobody cares 0:12:25.150 --> 0:12:25.370 about that. 0:12:26.070 --> 0:12:28.460 Miss Jump the Shark, as they say, and that's one 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.460 of the records, yes. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.660 So, I promised you this, and I lost it, but 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.809 I found it at the various caucuses within the DSA. 0:12:36.090 --> 0:12:38.990 I mistakenly attributed the excellent reporting to the Free Press, 0:12:39.010 --> 0:12:42.110 when indeed it was Joshua Chaffin at the Wall Street Journal. 0:12:44.220 --> 0:12:48.440 For perspective, the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America, have 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.580 27 members on their national political committee. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.599 And so just remember the number 27. 0:12:52.580 --> 0:12:54.559 I'm going to tell you how many of each of 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.429 these caucuses sit on that seat of honor. So you 0:12:58.450 --> 0:12:59.990 got what they call the half a loaf crowd, the 0:13:00.390 --> 0:13:03.970 socialist majority caucus. They've got four of the 27 seats. 0:13:04.370 --> 0:13:09.630 They're the most pragmatic middle-of-the-road caucus. It's Zoran Mamdani's team 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.660 are on this caucus. They support AOC for president, that 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:18.460 sort of thing. Then you got the groundwork caucus, very similar. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.839 It's more focused on climate issue, Green New Deal. They're 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.449 obsessed with all of that stuff. They have five of 0:13:24.490 --> 0:13:28.679 the 27 seats. Then you've got North Star, which is the, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:30.980 and they have zero seats, but they're significant. 0:13:31.340 --> 0:13:33.230 They're the anti-fascist old guard. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.610 Their overriding priority is defeating President Trump and Trumpism and 0:13:36.670 --> 0:13:40.890 ending Republican control of Congress. They support mainstream Democratic Party 0:13:40.929 --> 0:13:41.910 candidates if need be. 0:13:42.090 --> 0:13:44.350 Okay, fine. Then you've got your revolutionaries. 0:13:44.770 --> 0:13:49.319 The Bread and Roses Coalition, named after the 1912 textile 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.439 industry strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts. I already know I don't 0:13:53.460 --> 0:13:54.500 want to hang out with these people. 0:13:56.110 --> 0:13:56.690 No kidding. 0:13:57.170 --> 0:13:59.010 You name your team after that. They have five of 0:13:59.030 --> 0:14:03.410 the 27 seats. This Marxist caucus was, oh, wait a minute. 0:14:03.510 --> 0:14:03.910 Damn it. 0:14:03.950 --> 0:14:06.910 Now, the New York Times just lectured us. These people 0:14:06.950 --> 0:14:07.870 are not communists. 0:14:07.890 --> 0:14:08.630 They're socialists. 0:14:10.100 --> 0:14:13.120 This Marxist caucus was instrumental in the DSA's backing of 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.859 Bernie in 2020. They're devoted to rank and file labor organizing. 0:14:17.900 --> 0:14:22.140 They're all about unions promoting unions because union workers will 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.510 always vote socialists. Then you've got the Communist Caucus, who 0:14:26.550 --> 0:14:31.430 are also not communists. The Commie Caucus, here's the world's 0:14:31.490 --> 0:14:35.240 smallest surprise, grew out of the East Bay DSA chapter 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.820 from the San Francisco Bay Area, with particular emphasis on 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.560 housing and tenant organizing. They've got more of a down-and-dirty vibe. 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.160 They're organizing grassroots-y. 0:14:48.060 --> 0:14:51.280 Tenant strikes. They're all about that sort of thing. Then 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.340 you've got the Marxist Unity Group. They have three of 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.780 the 27 seats on the Council of Elders. The Mugs, 0:14:57.900 --> 0:15:00.810 as they're known, are, oh God, speaking of people I 0:15:00.810 --> 0:15:02.910 don't want to hang out with, are known for being 0:15:03.170 --> 0:15:07.710 really into academic theory and Marxist orthodoxy. They have required 0:15:07.790 --> 0:15:12.550 reading and a special fondness for theorist Karl Kotsky. Mug 0:15:12.610 --> 0:15:16.830 wants to begin the DSA's break with the Democratic Party yesterday. 0:15:17.860 --> 0:15:18.870 Their members skew. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:31.200 So you were a political science major. Does this matter 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.880 to politics, all these different groups? And I don't mean 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.560 just the socialists thing because it exists on the right too. 0:15:36.820 --> 0:15:41.870 All these different tiny factions of libertarian and conservatism and 0:15:41.890 --> 0:15:44.070 stuff like that, does that matter? 0:15:44.850 --> 0:15:47.430 End up mattering? Because most of us don't pay any 0:15:47.490 --> 0:15:48.210 attention to that. 0:15:49.470 --> 0:15:52.650 Most of us are not locked into whether we're an 0:15:52.810 --> 0:15:55.860 East Coast Straussian or a West Coast Straussian, which I 0:15:55.900 --> 0:15:57.900 heard discussed on a podcast the other day for the 0:15:57.940 --> 0:16:01.960 first time ever. Most of us don't fit in those terms. 0:16:03.020 --> 0:16:06.140 But the people that do, do they influence America and 0:16:06.180 --> 0:16:09.000 it seeps out to us in ways we don't know? 0:16:09.020 --> 0:16:11.580 Here's the thoroughly unsatisfying answer. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:19.080 Sometimes. They're fun to mock, though. That's the important thing. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.940 East and West Coast Straussians? Yeah, it's pretty interesting, actually. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:27.160 Which am I. Do you have any idea? It's complicated. 0:16:27.340 --> 0:16:28.580 I should actually talk about that. Because I don't want 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.380 to offend any of my fellow Straussians. 0:16:30.500 --> 0:16:35.760 Right. You like Leo Strauss, but you've got completely separate views. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.450 I thought it was Levi Strauss. 0:16:37.540 --> 0:16:37.780 Okay. 0:16:38.380 --> 0:16:41.650 So the new radicals. We haven't gotten to the radicals yet. Okay. 0:16:42.110 --> 0:16:45.850 Yes, we've had multiple Marxist groups. They're not the new radicals. 0:16:46.070 --> 0:16:49.670 These people have four seats. Springs of Revolution. They're the 0:16:49.710 --> 0:16:55.190 DSA's anti-Israel rage machine. Leaders were active in the student 0:16:55.210 --> 0:16:58.430 encampments that sprang up after the October 7th rapes, murders, 0:16:58.490 --> 0:17:03.070 and baby burnings on Israel. They pushed earlier campaigns against Zionism, 0:17:03.130 --> 0:17:05.650 and their high mark was winning passage at last year's 0:17:05.690 --> 0:17:09.060 convention of a controversial measure that makes it an expellable 0:17:09.210 --> 0:17:13.180 offense for any DSA member to support Zionism or even 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.760 criticize the boycott, divest, sanction Israel movement. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.699 Then you've got Red Star. They have three seats in. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.500 Also from the San Francisco DSA, Red Star has various 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.230 relaunches over the years, periods of critical self-reflection. They talk 0:17:31.270 --> 0:17:36.830 a lot about organizational structure and theory. They worship the 0:17:36.910 --> 0:17:41.419 anti-American regimes in Havana and Caracas. They support Hamas. The 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:47.780 Liberation Caucus, up-and-coming Maoists. faction, openly hostile to AOC, whom 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.970 it derides as an opportunist and figurehead of DSA's right wing. 0:17:51.330 --> 0:17:58.609 Then there's the Caracol Caucus, eco-Marxist champions of degrowth. They 0:17:58.650 --> 0:18:00.669 believe the Green New Deal championed by AOC doesn't go 0:18:00.710 --> 0:18:02.560 far enough, and the very notion of green or sustainable 0:18:02.580 --> 0:18:03.300 growth is mistaken. 0:18:03.340 --> 0:18:06.760 We need to degrow. Most of these organizations have a 0:18:06.780 --> 0:18:07.640 seat at the DSA. 0:18:07.940 --> 0:18:11.970 These people are communist lunatics, and to the The extent 0:18:11.990 --> 0:18:18.560 that the quote-unquote mainstream Democrats don't condemn them loudly, that's 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.220 a real black mark against them. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.920 So AI continues to be the hottest story in news, 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.780 which I'm happy about. It led almost every newscast I've 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.070 seen in the last I don't know how many days. 0:18:32.570 --> 0:18:34.669 We've got the latest on what happened yesterday. Yesterday was 0:18:34.710 --> 0:18:35.870 a big day around AI. 0:18:35.890 --> 0:18:52.680 Stay tuned. The Armstrong and Getty Show. Now, with that, 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.180 we have to be a little bit careful. We have 0:18:55.220 --> 0:18:56.480 to very be, you know, we. 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.480 Have to do things and we have to do them prudently. 0:18:59.940 --> 0:19:02.560 But that doesn't mean we're going to stop an industry because, 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.640 you know, as we work on the next 10 years 0:19:04.700 --> 0:19:07.200 about how to destroy it. And I have an expression. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.460 It's whoever wins, AI wins. 0:19:09.500 --> 0:19:10.260 That's how big it is. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.560 It's bigger than the Internet. 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.480 And whoever wins, AI wins, and we can't. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:15.639 Let this kind of stuff happen. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:19.260 And that includes, very much includes data centers. There are 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.540 communities that were dying that have data centers right now, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:24.119 and now they're wealthy communities. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.380 Really wealthy communities. 0:19:28.140 --> 0:19:28.380 Where? 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.600 Are there communities that were dying that are now wealthy 0:19:31.619 --> 0:19:32.520 communities that have. 0:19:32.420 --> 0:19:36.330 A data center? Absolutely. Really? Where are they? Enormous contributions. 0:19:37.410 --> 0:19:37.929 Oh, yeah. 0:19:38.010 --> 0:19:40.170 Yeah, there are all sorts of stories. Virginia is super hot. 0:19:40.609 --> 0:19:45.090 Louisiana famously was able to give $ 50, 000 bonuses to teachers 0:19:45.550 --> 0:19:47.010 because they had so much tax revenue. 0:19:47.109 --> 0:19:49.350 Oh, yeah, it's a boon to local finances. It doesn't 0:19:49.369 --> 0:19:50.770 mean it's necessary. a good idea. 0:19:50.790 --> 0:19:54.290 I feel like that's a separate topic to the whole 0:19:54.330 --> 0:19:56.050 AI is going to kill us. It's not separate in 0:19:56.090 --> 0:19:59.040 that we've got to have the data centers, but is 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:00.600 AI going to kill us and does it need to. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.129 Be regulated and all that sort of stuff? Let's start here. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:07.610 So that was Trump calling into a– an AI conference 0:20:07.630 --> 0:20:09.210 that was going on with a lot of the heavyweights, 0:20:09.270 --> 0:20:14.330 including that Hawaiian guy from NVIDIA, which is that currently 0:20:14.350 --> 0:20:15.690 the most viable company in the world? 0:20:15.750 --> 0:20:17.270 I think it is. I think it is, yeah. 0:20:17.290 --> 0:20:22.770 Of course, Anthropic and OpenAI are going to have their 0:20:22.950 --> 0:20:25.650 IPOs sometime in the fall. 0:20:26.130 --> 0:20:29.930 Or are they? Which are expected to be just ginormous. 0:20:30.450 --> 0:20:31.230 Or will they? 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.679 And some people think that they're laying the groundwork for 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:39.159 that now. with all this talk of regulation to where 0:20:39.180 --> 0:20:40.699 they'll be locked in as the leaders. 0:20:41.300 --> 0:20:42.500 I wish I knew the answer to this. 0:20:42.780 --> 0:20:44.879 I hope smart people are making the right decisions for 0:20:44.900 --> 0:20:48.020 the right reasons around this. But anyway, David Sachs, who 0:20:48.060 --> 0:20:49.840 has emerged in the last couple of days, he's a 0:20:49.859 --> 0:20:55.159 real enormous influence, super rich guy, tech guy, and one 0:20:55.180 --> 0:20:57.620 of the big advisors to Trump on this whole issue, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.770 who was outspoken over the weekend replying to Dario Amadei's 0:21:05.270 --> 0:21:07.889 piece about, hey, AI's going to kill us, we've got 0:21:07.910 --> 0:21:10.750 to have some guardrails, and David Sack says, yeah, you 0:21:10.770 --> 0:21:14.990 just want guardrails so you can't have any competition. Here 0:21:15.070 --> 0:21:18.410 he is being questioned on CBS News yesterday, David Sack. 0:21:18.810 --> 0:21:24.100 So Dario Amadei, you think, is incorrect in predicting the 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:25.100 worst outcomes here. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.159 Well, I think if Dario believes that we're going to 0:21:28.180 --> 0:21:30.980 have the worst outcomes, my question for him is, why 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.040 are you doing this? It doesn't make sense to me 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.260 that you're running a frontier AI company if you think 0:21:38.300 --> 0:21:41.879 frontier AI is going to end humanity. So again, I 0:21:42.060 --> 0:21:44.939 would push that back on him and say, how are 0:21:44.980 --> 0:21:46.960 you going to make this safe? And if you don't 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.060 think you can, you should probably either shut down the 0:21:50.140 --> 0:21:53.850 company or step aside and let someone else lead it. 0:21:54.180 --> 0:21:59.030 So does that make sense to you or no? Maybe not. 0:21:59.630 --> 0:22:00.470 I was just thinking. 0:22:01.150 --> 0:22:05.330 It's possible Sachs, who is close to the president and 0:22:05.510 --> 0:22:10.300 has access, I would assume, directly or indirectly to classified information, 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:15.119 believes that, yes, there's a chance this goes terribly, terribly wrong. 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.880 But if we let China get there first, it's guaranteed 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:20.220 to go terribly, terribly wrong. 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.240 Well, then let's play that next clip because that fits 0:22:22.290 --> 0:22:24.330 in with what Joe just said, David Sachs, again, in 0:22:24.369 --> 0:22:28.670 that same interview. What happens if the United States loses 0:22:28.690 --> 0:22:29.720 the AI race? 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.660 If the United States loses the AI race and China 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.180 is the main competitor, then I think we should expect 0:22:35.300 --> 0:22:35.940 that the U.S. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.540 Will not be the number one country. 0:22:37.340 --> 0:22:37.680 In the world. 0:22:38.420 --> 0:22:42.489 So to quote the great Woody Allen, more than any 0:22:42.550 --> 0:22:46.090 other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path 0:22:46.150 --> 0:22:50.020 leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. 0:22:50.400 --> 0:23:00.780 Let us pray we have I wonder if, in all seriousness, 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.220