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Speaker 1: Joining me on the Seahawks Supply hotline is Dan McGowan

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Speaker 1: from the Boston Globe. Good morning, Dan, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. Should we all be scared if we talk

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Speaker 1: about Peter ALBEDI?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if if I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get punched or sued, is what I'm curious about.

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Speaker 1: It was a bit much. I had to digest it.

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Speaker 1: I felt like yesterday because I heard the emotion in

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Speaker 1: his voice. And everybody's interviewed Peter alvd multiple multiple times,

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Speaker 1: and you've seen all sides of him, and I think

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Speaker 1: we can all agree that, you know, he's the most

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Speaker 1: visible department head we probably ever had. Nobody can name

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Speaker 1: the department of you know, Health and Human Services or yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean everybody kind of. And you know he he's

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Speaker 1: got that thick head of white hair, so he he

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Speaker 1: stands out. I'm sure when he walks around, much like

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Speaker 1: some of the other political wannabes and they go, oh,

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Speaker 1: everybody comes up to me and says, hey, you great.

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Speaker 1: I bet you people do go up to him because

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Speaker 1: he's he is recognizable.

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Speaker 2: He ar definitely some of you who gets spotted in

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Speaker 2: the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exact. So that all being said, Hey, listen, things change,

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Speaker 1: paradigm shift, people come and go, and everybody's replaceable.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how I grew up. You you were

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Speaker 1: pretty sharp with your writing in your column and you

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Speaker 1: said he's not going quietly. Accountability should outrank autobiography. This

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Speaker 1: is a very unusual way to say I'm retiring, is

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Speaker 1: it not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen anything like this in covering Rhode

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Speaker 2: Island before. I mean, you know, occasionally you get those

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Speaker 2: scenarios where you know someone is clashing with whether it's

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Speaker 2: a governor or a mayor, and so kind of on

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Speaker 2: their way out the door, they you know, they feel

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Speaker 2: the need to whether it's set the record strain or

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Speaker 2: just you know, have a sort of a harsh critique.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, one, it's often very low level people.

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Speaker 2: I think of what with it just a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago the councilman in Providence that got fired from

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Speaker 2: the governor's office, and you know Miguel Sanchez, right, he

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Speaker 2: and he he sort of I think he'll do them

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Speaker 2: and was critical, but talking about very low level employee, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, compared to an agency director. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: we've never seen really anything like this, And you know you,

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Speaker 2: I think you framed it well. I heard you briefly

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of your show. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing. It is true that that Peter Alvidi,

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Speaker 2: you know, is a consequential figure in Rhode Island because

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Speaker 2: of the bridge, and even more, you know, even still

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Speaker 2: even separate from the bridge, because he's such a visible figure.

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Speaker 2: But this is the kind of thing that that even

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Speaker 2: as a really important figure, you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: one day should have been a one day maybe two

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Speaker 2: day story. I've always reminded that the answer used to say,

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Speaker 2: but he's the answer used to say, when you're out,

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Speaker 2: you're out. And I think when it comes to Peter Alvidi,

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Speaker 2: if not for the interview with Dean and then the

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Speaker 2: then putting out essentially doubling down and putting out your statement,

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Speaker 2: I think he mostly would have been forgotten by the

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Speaker 2: time the snow melted. You know, would have been the

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Speaker 2: political people who who you know, want to make hay

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Speaker 2: of him and stuff like that. That's gonna happen. But

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Speaker 2: in the minds of the average person, yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: he would have I think April we would have forgotten

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Speaker 1: But then, you know, it's interesting he said a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, you know, I'm going to be listening intently,

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Speaker 1: and that whole you know, weird way of threatening, uh,

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Speaker 1: media too. I don't know. By saying I'm going to

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Speaker 1: of is, you know, that would bring you up until

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Speaker 1: the Democratic primary. Right, And so if he gets he

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Speaker 1: gets dragged through the mud by you know, political campaigns

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Speaker 1: and opponents to Governor McKee, he's going to be listening

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Speaker 1: and he's going to you know, X y Z. That

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Speaker 2: I could say that was incredibly unusual. And and I

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Speaker 2: think if appropriately being treated somewhat as a threat, I don't,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't get on my high horse about

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Speaker 2: this stuff. I feel perfectly safe around Director LVD and

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Speaker 2: around people in state government. But I think anyone who's like,

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Speaker 1: Think as a legal threat more of a legal threat.

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Speaker 2: That's that's how I That's how I interpreted it as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he has much legal ground to stand

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Speaker 2: the other thing that was on my mind when I

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Speaker 2: heard him say that was a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 2: is that a little bit of a message to Governor

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Speaker 2: McKee as well, that you know, don't go out there

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Speaker 2: in a month from now and say, look, I made

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Speaker 2: changes at the dot. That kind of thing. That was

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Speaker 2: one other question I had, But I think it is

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Speaker 2: entire I'm way more targeted at you know, Helena Folks.

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Speaker 2: I mean in whoever I guess else would have run

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Speaker 2: who has made this a central part of her commandment.

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Speaker 2: She announced on the day she announced for governor, she

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Speaker 2: said she would get rid of Peter LVD if she

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Speaker 2: had a chance.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, you think of the first person, Dan

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Speaker 1: McGowan from the Boston Globe columnist, I think it's the

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Speaker 1: first person to say that maybe it was a message

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Speaker 1: or the media well, and he also mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of bs that gets thrown around these airwaves,

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Speaker 1: meaning w p RO because I you know, his critics.

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Speaker 1: There are people that have, you know, forty years of

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Speaker 1: you know, I know I did, and they got very

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Speaker 1: upset about that because they're outside the boundary of Rhode Island.

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I would say, you know, if you're

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Speaker 2: that says, I'm doing this off the top of my head,

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Speaker 2: if you're making a list of who he's talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, it starts with Helena. Folks, I think it

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Speaker 2: probably kicks pretty quickly to you and maybe Ken Block,

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of crowd but good. Just think there's

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Speaker 2: bit in there. Maybe you're not number two. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: giving you too much credit. I don't know, but yes

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Speaker 2: you are. But you know, I think there's a handful

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Speaker 2: and you in particular. On these air waves, I think

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Speaker 2: you know, to some degree, I think that's probably a factor.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I do you know, you and I have

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Speaker 2: mayors again sort of you know, possibly hint that while

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Speaker 2: they let someone you know, go off into retirement, you know,

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Speaker 2: on the debate stage say look I made a change here,

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Speaker 2: a little bit in the back of his head that is, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I just you know, just so everybody knows, I'm I

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Speaker 2: did this on my own, and nobody can say anything different, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, you know what, we're going to find

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Speaker 1: that out when it gets tigned for debates and the

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Speaker 1: you know, the MUD's starting to fly all over the

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Speaker 1: place because obviously no one's going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get away from the bridge situation. That being said, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard anything, but and your

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Speaker 1: former colleagues right over at Channel twelve ted NISI put

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Speaker 1: a chance to see it because you've got your own

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, about the number of bridges, the twelve hundred, well

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Speaker 1: make sure we hit that ninety percent proficiency, I would say.

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Speaker 1: And then the dot is writing to me saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: we got to understand that. Okay, listen, it is what

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Speaker 1: you hear what I'm saying in any way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form that Why do you need to do that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely do. I mean it's one of those

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Speaker 2: how many times have we send this with this administration?

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Speaker 2: It's an unforced error. You know, there's no difference between

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Speaker 2: eighty eight and ninety Uh. He could have, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know it was Dan McGowan or would it would

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Speaker 2: have maybe, but I don't think it would be a

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would even been any and we

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even know unless Ted did the digging right all right.

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Speaker 2: Let somebody that's right, unless somebody, unless somebody found it,

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Speaker 2: that you know you're going to announce. I mean, right,

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Speaker 2: he's been, he's been public. I think he said he

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Speaker 2: told the governor he was leaving last Friday. So for

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Speaker 2: this to come out sort of right alongside of that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: think he's had I think as he sort of sugget

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Speaker 2: it kind of was related to the bridge. He's tired

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Speaker 2: and set up, right, I mean, he doesn't get raked

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Speaker 2: I think you know you're a big boy and you're

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Speaker 2: a director, and you know that. I think it's entirely

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Speaker 2: fair game. But but there's no question that it is.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be taxing on a person to uh,

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Speaker 2: to be criticized essentially for two years straight and to

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Speaker 2: be as I run the columns to be kind of

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Speaker 2: in traffic anywhere near that bridge.

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Speaker 1: And again it was always you know, listen, this is

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Speaker 1: what we're dealing with. But it was how they dealt

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Speaker 1: with it. I think the communication being defensive doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: and I think they learned a hard lesson in those

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Speaker 1: early years and more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I would all I would say to that

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Speaker 2: is not just being defensive. They were factually inaccurate a

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Speaker 2: lot in those early days, right, got the numbers wrong,

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Speaker 2: got the timeline wrong, and then even as recently as November,

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Speaker 2: didn't know the name of a guy who you know,

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Speaker 2: overseas inspection. So you know, there were all of those things.

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Speaker 2: To go back to the phrase unforced errors. Those are

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Speaker 2: things that you get criticized for. I go back to

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Speaker 2: the closing of the bridge. Remember Peter Alby found out

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Speaker 2: until a Monday, and hours later they closed the bridge. Right.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, in some ways some people would say that alone,

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Speaker 2: I think they bungled this. The response to this from

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Speaker 2: they're probably in a better place today than they were

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Speaker 2: a year ago. Sure, that's fine, but you can't forget

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, exactly right, working on anything else bridge related,

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Speaker 1: Dan McGowan.

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Speaker 2: Always right, it's a perfetual well, because you know.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like, I don't know if you heard

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Speaker 1: Representative Charlene Lima. We were talking about the payroll issues

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Speaker 1: and the payroll debacle for the state workers, and she

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Speaker 1: threw in it the last minute. This was Tuesday. Let

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Speaker 1: let me put Dan on hold real quick. It's only

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Speaker 1: forty seconds. Let me let him here. I'm let me

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Speaker 1: pick his brain a little bit. This is Lima with

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Speaker 1: me saying stay tuned. Number fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned the bridge. Stay tuned. My understanding

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Speaker 3: be a lot of information coming out on the bridge

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Speaker 3: and people are not going to be happy about it.

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Speaker 3: It's not good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Does it have to do with my morning commute. Is

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Speaker 1: it delays or is it shenanigans behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Give us a little shenanigans that were going on, and

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Speaker 4: you're gonna want to because this thing could have been

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Speaker 4: almost half built right now if it wasn't Frank competent

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Speaker 4: and game playing and politics and nonsense and what happens

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Speaker 4: the people suffer.

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Speaker 1: So you know that was that just came out of nowhere, really,

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Speaker 1: and she wanted to make a point. Dan McGowan from

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Speaker 1: The Bust and Globe is on the line. Can you

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Speaker 1: make anything of that or you just say, huh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I will say, for the first I've heard of it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm I'm an avid listener to yours. Not to

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Speaker 2: sound like Joe Shakarci, but I but I am. I

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Speaker 2: just didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't happen to

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Speaker 2: hear that one. I honestly, I don't know what she's

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Speaker 2: about how you know, we think this bridge could have

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Speaker 2: if they had done the right RFP and that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing. I think you actually asked the most pertinent

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Speaker 2: question there, which is it doesn't affect my commute or not.

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Speaker 1: If it's anything joking, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it, you know, I think it's good for press

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Speaker 2: statement from the campaigns, and it gets people all riled

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Speaker 2: up a little bit. But if it's I could care

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Speaker 2: less unless it's gonna either fix or make my commute worse.

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Speaker 2: And so I suppose we'll see, I mean, our remutes

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Speaker 2: get worse. Wait, it's gonna be a rough couple of

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Speaker 1: Kiddy, Absolutely so, I think, in the words of Repelman,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna stay tuned. Dan McCowan, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your time. And everybody can get your your

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Speaker 1: email blasts that you send out, your newsletter roadmap if

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Speaker 1: they just contact you.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, very simple. Rinews at Globe dot com, ri

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Speaker 2: I news at Globe dot com and I'll sign you up.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, thanks for your time. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You're the best. Thanks Terres. Yeah,