WEBVTT - Giants Trade Deadline Analysis and NFL Quarterback Rankings with Andy Baggarly & Mike Sando 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.880 Now back to murphin markets on the Sports Leader, streaming 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:10.040 live on vsports Leader dot com at knbr V sports 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:10.959 Leader app. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:12.680 All right, man, let's do it. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:14.440 Let's roll up our sleeves and get into it with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.200 Andy Bagley of the Athletic. He's sponsored by Marine Health, 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.360 with top physicians, surgeons and clinicians right here in the 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.680 North Bay. Marine Health puts you closer to your best health, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.200 world class care, closer than you think. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:25.560 Andy. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.640 I read your comprehensive recap of the trade deadline day 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.280 in the Athletic outstanding as zolways. As we say good morning. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.400 Now as we wake up the next morning, you sleep 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.159 on it. You wake up, the dust is settling. And 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.800 somebody who was on vacation and didn't have Wi Fi 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.199 just came back and. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:43.240 Said, Hey, Andy, what did. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.800 The giants do on the trade deadline? What was their message? 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.960 What's your answer to that? What was the overarching theme? 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:51.600 Oh, you missed the whole trade dead And then we'll 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.600 sit down. This is going to take a while. Yeah, 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.240 you know what, I gotta say, It probably took me 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:01.120 longer to hyperlink to all of our stories then it did. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.440 Actually write the piece summarizing everything because I mean, we 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.560 were all over it. It was really amazing to see 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.480 everybody in action if you were behind the scenes and 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.320 could like look at all the slack miss just going 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.640 back and forth and stuff. We had so many editors 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.319 and so many writers, and we had so many things 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:16.440 pre written that. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.200 We're ready to go. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.640 And I mean every single trade had a story about 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.960 the trade, a story about you know, trade grades, and 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.280 then a lot of analysis and there was just so 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.640 much on our site yesterday was really really amazing. So 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:31.240 I just wanted to give a shout out to all 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.479 of our editors and starting with Mark Coraig our MLB editor, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.840 and and and and obviously all the writers for really 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.720 pitching in because it was a big, big day for 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:41.760 for all of us in our business. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.440 And the theme was for the giants. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.200 Oh yeah, right, the thing, Yeah, the actual content, the 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.520 actual method, you know what I mean. I think the 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.320 message was, you know, hey, look, we're not satisfied with 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.480 the way things have gone. We know things have to change, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.720 and that means not only trading the impending free agents, 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 but you know, taking advantage of guys whom might have 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:04.200 a hot market to move them to get some pieces 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.800 that might help to reset the team a little bit. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.640 But you know it's not a rebuild. And you might say, well, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.919 how do you trade six guys off your major league 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.760 roster and add zero? I mean the Giants played a 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.840 man down yesterday in Texas. I mean they took an 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.800 all star second basement off the roster. They zik a 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.880 former All star left fielder off their roster, the only 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.600 two guys in their bullpen to throw hard, two fifths 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.760 of their starting rotation. And you think, well, this is 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.840 a team that's having a fire sale. But it's not 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:34.679 a fire sale if Logan Web is still standing in 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.839 the room, Because if it had been a rebuild, then 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:42.920 Logan Web would be traded, and quite honestly, he would 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.799 have gotten more than what the Tigers got for Terrek 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.799 Schooble because he comes with two additional years of club control, 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.400 so he would have been the big difference maker traded 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.200 at the trade deadline if the Giants had put him 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.800 out there. They didn't. They would have taken absolute pennies 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.600 on the dollar for anybody who could give them a 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.080 shred of cost savings on a Damis chapman En devs. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.480 They didn't do that. So this is not a team 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.840 that's rebuilding, but they are a team that is definitely 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.799 retooling in a big way, with an eye toward getting younger, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.720 boosting that farm system, trying to create a wave of 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.520 talent that can really come up and make a difference. Now, 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.560 does that really really make it appreciably likely that they're 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.480 going to be a really good team next year? Probably not. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.400 So maybe you could quibble with whether it's a rerule 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.240 or not. But if you're looking for the Giants to 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.799 use the tradeline to make themselves a ninety win team 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.400 next season, it probably wasn't the trade deadline for you. 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.800 But you know, if you really just want to see 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.560 the organization be in a healthier place, then I think 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.120 that they accomplished that in a lot of ways. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.800 Bags This is now back to back seasons that we've 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.480 seen the Giants be sellers at the trade deadline. Last 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.920 year they moved three names. This year they've moved six. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.000 MURFH and I were discussing it earlier this morning. You 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:51.760 might know better than both of us. Is this the 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.240 biggest sell off at the trade deadline in Giant's history? 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.920 I mean, I guess it depends on what you call biggest. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.960 I mean, have they traded bigger players at the deadline? Gosh, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.400 I can't really think of I can't really think of 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.920 guys that they've traded that have been just huge blockbusters. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.240 I mean really, the biggest trade that they've made mid 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.960 seasoned in a long long time was the rock Yield 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.080 Devers deal And I don't know if you want to 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.800 call that a trade headline trade or not since it 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.080 happened in June, but yeah, I don't know. I guess 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.039 you could probably say it was the biggest sell off, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.880 probably the biggest sell off in the twenty whatever years 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.599 I've covered the team, But again, I don't think that 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:28.960 necessarily equits. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.679 To fire cell Yeah, but I can't remember volume wise, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.800 I can't never remember this many players being traded from 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.280 the Giants. This to me is number one. But that said, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:38.960 we got to talk about the big one. So of 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.159 all of them, I would argue probably the two most 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:47.960 attractive ones for the industry would be either the Ramon 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.800 Marquez from the Phillies going for Luisa Rise. But the 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.320 one I want to ask you about first is the 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.080 Marcello Meyer one. Red Sox fans were in their feelings 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.240 about that they had complex feelings about it, and he 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.080 was supposed to be the darling of the future. You know, 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.280 whether do you want to compare him to Luciano or 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.279 Marco Luciano or whoever the Giants had through the years 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.680 that fans were in love with. But he had not 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.320 performed in his brief stints as a Red Sox, and 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.359 he was also injury prone. But there's this potential. You 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.440 look at Casey Schmidt and Elliott Ramos's guys who took 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.840 a couple of years to get going. So your take 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.960 on the Marcelo Meyer trade, trading away Eric Miller from 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.520 Marcello Meyer, how do you evaluate that one? 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.800 Well, you know, I think I would evaluate it pretty 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.400 similarly to the way that Keith Law evaluated it on 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.279 our site, which is you understand why the Red Sox 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.840 did it. I mean, they feel like they have other 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.840 players coming. Meyer's a guy who has had a lot 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.080 of injuries, and you know, he was their opening day 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.279 second basement, but they felt like they didn't have really 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.680 a place to play him going forward and they needed 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.880 a lefty reliever now. And this is a guy who's 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.320 got some control and isn't just a rental We also 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.600 know what Eric Miller's warts are because we've seen him 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.040 pitch and he's got six walks per nine innings. You know, 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.200 he's always going to be a high walk guy. He 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.760 has a history of getting hurt, so you know, he 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.160 stayed healthy this year, but last year he didn't, and 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.680 then he was available to the Giants from the Phillies 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.360 because he had that injury history. So you could be selling, 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.479 you know, relatively peak value on him if you know 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.600 he can't stay healthy from this point forward. And of 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.080 course you wish him the best and you hope he 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.120 has success and health, but he's still a reliever, and 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.000 a reliever can only make so much impact. And this 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.120 is a guy who's an everyday position player who was 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.080 one of the top twenty prospects in the game basically 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.360 a year ago, so he's still twenty three. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:35.920 Kind of cool. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.120 He went to the same high school as Casey Schmid, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.680 so you know, shout out to La Vista. Maybe there's 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.960 gonna be some Giants fans there now. But you know, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.480 he's a guy who, if he does get back on track, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.720 he's you know, a four or five war player. He's 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.440 a difference maker and just for a ten percent chance 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.359 of getting that kind of player, it was worth the 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:56.560 Giants doing this deal. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:57.359 Bags. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.960 The trade that stood out to me was Elliott Rama's 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.760 being shipped out to the New York Yankees. What were 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.400 your thoughts on the Giants treading away that controllable contract 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.120 and overall the return package they got for Ramos. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.480 Yeah, it was It was a tough deal to trade Ramos, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.480 but you just kind of had a feeling they would 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.640 because there were so many teams that needed a right 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.200 handed hitting outfielder. And I think the Giants looked at 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.280 a couple of things. One, you know, Ramos does have 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.800 some limitations defensively. He's worked hard to get better this year, 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.120 but we know it was a disaster last year, and 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.880 they don't have a DH spot for the foreseeable future, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.360 certainly for the rest of this decade. If Devers and 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.040 Eldridge are on the roster, so and you have other 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.960 players coming up, You've got, you know, Victor Barracoto. They 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.480 really like what they've seen from him, and I don't 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.080 know if he's going to be an everyday big leaguer, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.440 but you know, you could maybe kind of close your 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.040 eyes halfway and envision him doing what Ramos is doing. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.280 You know, they've got Dakota Jordan, they've got Bo Davidson, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.520 they've got Parks Harbor, they've got other players coming up, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.200 and so they felt like maybe they could cover that 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.440 loss of Ramos and try to balance out the system 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.440 because we know it's position player heavy. So if they 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.280 were going to trade Ramos, it was only going to 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.680 be if they got, you know, a really good pitcher 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:15.239 back and lelane from the from the from the Yankee system. 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.560 It is an interesting guy, six foot seven. He's from 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.000 the Bronx, but he was actually an international signee from 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:25.160 the Dominican Republic. And you know, he's a guy who 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.920 wasn't protected from the Rule five draft a year ago. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.160 He wasn't major league ready obviously, so nobody took him. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.200 But that's where he's gotten to as a prospect. I mean, 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.640 he wasn't making progress in the in the in the 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.240 Yankee system, and and all of a sudden boom, now 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.280 he's throwing ninety seven ninety eight with some really good secondaries. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.480 So the Giants have a guy that they that they 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.760 can develop and hope can turn into something. And they 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.280 just need as many of those guys as they can. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.440 I think he was the number five ranked Yankees prospect. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.960 So and then of course kayden Ken is the guy 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.400 that the Giants, you know, as Buster Posey told us yesterday, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.319 they wanted to they wanted to take with their fort 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.120 round pick last year, and the Yankee scooped him up 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.840 thirteen picks ahead of where they were going to go. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.760 So is that one a little bit of a you know, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.400 kind of a narrative, you know, play a little bit 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.760 of a popular deal to get Kent's kid in in 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.560 the fold? And you know, Tent had joked that he 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.439 can't be all the way in as a Giant because 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:21.680 you know, he still has to be a little bit 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.760 of a Yankee fan. Well, now that's out of the way, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.120 and we know that they have Peyton bonds in the system. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.680 So the whole thing of Tenton bonds, you know, is 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.840 there some of it that might be a little beyond 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.160 you know, the nuts and bolts baseball. Yeah, you know, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.440 they say no, but I believe maybe there's a little 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.200 bit of a lure there. So yeah, it's a fun 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:38.920 thing to dream on. 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:40.360 Fun stuff. Andy Bagley. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.120 By the way, we had Jeff Ken on last week 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.520 and he had great audio. I know you'll probably talk 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.920 to him, but he goes, he goes. He was talking 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.320 about Cayden's man. Yeah, I told him he's two forty. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.760 I'm going to kill him. So he said he's got 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.280 to wants him to hit for a high average and 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.000 move the ball around. He had a really good breakdown 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:58.880 of him. You can of course find those at cambar 0:09:58.920 --> 0:09:59.439 dot com. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:00.240 Hey. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.640 A couple other things to get to is it was 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.800 interesting that Buster went out of his way. None of 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.480 you asked him, and he just said, I would like 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.480 to flag and highlight Ramon Marquez of the Philadelphia Phillies. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:11.640 I thought it was interesting that. 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.200 He said that, and was that the one on the 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.760 Arise trade that the industry sort of gave the Giants 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.080 a golf clap on Huh. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.600 Well, look, I think that they were determined. However, the 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.400 chips fell, and whoever was interested in the various players 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.320 they wanted to feel like they came out of this 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.760 trade deadline with one really, really highly ranked pitching prospect 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.920 wherever it came from, and Marquez was one of those 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.480 guys on their list that they thought might be available 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.920 but weren't sure. And for the Phillies. He was the 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:44.880 one guy that they thought okay, and a lot of 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.280 teams are asking on him. He's probably going to be 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.320 the one big chip that we use to get, you know, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.679 an offensive player who can really help our situation. And 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.080 the Giants were the team that had the match, so 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.160 I think they feel fortunate that, you know, they did 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.120 find this match and they got the picture that they 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.959 wanted because this is a guy, you know, he's still 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.000 I think he's just twenty and really a neat story. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.480 Are Charlotte Barnes who interned with the Chronicle actually recently 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.440 and now she's covering the Phillies for us along with 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.480 Matt gel who does they built do a tremendous job. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.600 They they saw this coming. It was so obvious that 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.079 he was going to be traded that they wrote a 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.640 feature a couple of days ago on him just to 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.920 tell his backstory. And he was signed for you know, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.480 ten thousand dollars when they found him at you know, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:33.400 a tryout in in Merit of Mexico. So yeah, a 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.280 really neat story, and he obviously turned himself very very 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.480 quickly into somebody who opened eyes and became really their 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.960 second best pitching prospect in their system, and you know, 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.160 you get a guy with a really really plus change up. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.600 He can make, you know, lower minor league hitters look 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:48.160 really silly. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.400 And that's exactly what's happening bags. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.240 Going back from the Patrick Bailey trade to the draft 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.960 a couple of weeks ago to yesterday's trade deadline, how 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.800 much better is the Giants overall farm system than it 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:00.760 was to start the season. 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.440 Oh, I think you also layer in performance. You know, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.600 whether it's Dakota Jordan or Gavin Keelan, the way the 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.679 two kids josu Ar and Luis Gonzalez and Hernandez are 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.960 starting out in the Complex League and now at San Jose, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.840 the way just the teams have played in one I 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.600 know it's not exactly the number one metric you look at, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.000 but you know the fact that the teams are playing well, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.040 they're playing good baseball, they're complementing each other well, those 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.720 are habits that the Giants want to ingrain and it's happening. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.000 I think all those things are positives. And you know, 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.440 it's been a really, really bleak year and I think 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.480 the only thing that kind of, you know, maybe is 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.040 the jewel in the crown is there has been a 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.160 lot of progress in the farm system and this trade deadline, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.120 you know, only puts a little more air in the balloons. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.480 So where they're going to rank at the end of 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.640 the year. And to be clear, you know, prospect rankings, 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.240 farm system rankings, they don't matter. They're only concepts, right, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.000 I mean, there're Dart new flags fly forever based on 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.560 where your system ranks. But it is a good barometer 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.800 of just the health where you are. And I think 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.559 that the Giants are very, very easily going to be 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.760 a top ten system and some people think need to 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.760 even top five in the year. Sommer four. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.360 Let's go Andy just a bit on this year's team, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.160 and you wrote a pretty really solid piece on Sunday 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.480 just calling out the Giants handling of their pitching this year, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.920 from Tony Vitello to Frank Anderson ad justin message to 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.240 Christian Wonders Marks. I even highlighted a few of Andy's 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:37.400 key phrases strategic shortcomings, misuse of resources, odd usage decisions, 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.319 have not looked to exploit matchups. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.079 Those are just a. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.440 Few phrases that you used you felt the need to 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.800 write out that you just called it out, Andy, I'll 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:46.400 give you credit. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:47.120 You called him out. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.880 You backed it up with a lot of evidence of 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.320 any number of odd bad decisions they've used in handling 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.760 their pitching this year. I don't know if you got 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.400 any feedback or how you feel about, you know, when 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.439 you wrote the piece and what you would say the 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.679 Giants fans about, you know, how they fix that? 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.040 Is it about cleanon house? 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.120 Does this pitching coach staff not last the rest of 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:09.960 the year, Does Tony V have to get a lot 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:10.920 better fast? 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.480 What's the what's the takeaway from it? 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.440 I think I think everything has to be on the 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.400 tables because you know, they've just they've just really been 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.680 inefficient with how they've used their pitching this year. And 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.360 now you know, they're about to wade into two months 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.360 with you know, really a shred of a rotation and 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.440 they're going to have to really mix it up. And 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.680 I think they're recognizing that, and you're going to start 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.360 seeing that Blade said, well, starting tonight they are looking 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.800 at using an opener for Adrian Hauser, which they should 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.440 have been doing earlier this year. But you know, I 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.320 think for me, it's just the little things at UH 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.160 and you start wondering, are they do they really, you 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.920 know what's going on here, what's happening in the think tank, 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.360 because you know, there's there's no reason Keaton Winn should 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.120 be pitching the ninth inning of a sixteen to three 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.240 game when he pitched the night before, especially when you 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.960 don't have a day off the next day, and when 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.920 and he's already been on the il for in playing 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.280 belbow because you used them three times in a row 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.480 earlier this year. Which might have been the worst decision 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.600 that you know, that group has made all year was 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.800 taking out logan web, putting in you know, a gas 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.480 heat and win and letting his elbow blow up while 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.760 you lose a game. So yeah, you know what, It's just, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.320 I think we were so conditioned to see the Giant's 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.680 mind for every little advantage and and really do a 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.880 lot of pitching chaos to the point where you know, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.120 it kind of ticked off fans under far hansiety and 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.200 and uh and gave Kapler and and they weren't They 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.760 were so unconventional. You wanted to know who the starting 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.720 pitcher was going to be the next day. And I 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.960 think the Giants have over corrected themselves, just straight into 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:40.800 a ditch. I mean that's I think that's the phrase 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.200 I used, and they got it. They got to examine 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.960 that and whether that means changing personnel, whether that means 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.400 changing the way that they do things, you know, you know, 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.440 and however far up that goes. I mean, they have 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.440 to pay attention to this because you know, we know 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.680 the I think the way I phrased it was the 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.720 who is a big question. Who's going to be in 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.400 the rotation the rest of the way, who's going to 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.360 be in the rotation next year? You know, who's who's 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.960 going to be the candidates in camp next year. But 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.200 that if the how doesn't change, then you're only going 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:13.120 to get so much better. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.320 I think you said it perfectly and I think you're 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.840 one hundred percent right on everything. So they're going to 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.920 take a hard look at that at the end of 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.320 the season and maybe make some changes. So all right, Andy, 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.800 a lot covered and a lot more. Will do it 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.720 again next week and keep reading in the Athletic. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.840 Thank you, thanks bags, Yeah, thanks guys. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:29.240 Take care. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.200 Yeah, Andy Baggley Man so much covered there. Listen, we 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.080 can get back to it. 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