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Speaker 3: Andy Bagley of the Athletic. He's sponsored by Marine Health,
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Speaker 2: Andy.
Speaker 3: I read your comprehensive recap of the trade deadline day
Speaker 3: in the Athletic outstanding as zolways. As we say good morning.
Speaker 3: Now as we wake up the next morning, you sleep
Speaker 3: on it. You wake up, the dust is settling. And
Speaker 3: somebody who was on vacation and didn't have Wi Fi
Speaker 3: just came back and.
Speaker 2: Said, Hey, Andy, what did.
Speaker 3: The giants do on the trade deadline? What was their message?
Speaker 3: What's your answer to that? What was the overarching theme?
Speaker 4: Oh, you missed the whole trade dead And then we'll
Speaker 4: sit down. This is going to take a while. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, I gotta say, It probably took me
Speaker 4: longer to hyperlink to all of our stories then it did.
Speaker 4: Actually write the piece summarizing everything because I mean, we
Speaker 4: were all over it. It was really amazing to see
Speaker 4: everybody in action if you were behind the scenes and
Speaker 4: could like look at all the slack miss just going
Speaker 4: back and forth and stuff. We had so many editors
Speaker 4: and so many writers, and we had so many things
Speaker 4: pre written that.
Speaker 5: We're ready to go.
Speaker 4: And I mean every single trade had a story about
Speaker 4: the trade, a story about you know, trade grades, and
Speaker 4: then a lot of analysis and there was just so
Speaker 4: much on our site yesterday was really really amazing. So
Speaker 4: I just wanted to give a shout out to all
Speaker 4: of our editors and starting with Mark Coraig our MLB editor,
Speaker 4: and and and and obviously all the writers for really
Speaker 4: pitching in because it was a big, big day for
Speaker 4: for all of us in our business.
Speaker 2: And the theme was for the giants.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, the thing, Yeah, the actual content, the
Speaker 4: actual method, you know what I mean. I think the
Speaker 4: message was, you know, hey, look, we're not satisfied with
Speaker 4: the way things have gone. We know things have to change,
Speaker 4: and that means not only trading the impending free agents,
Speaker 4: but you know, taking advantage of guys whom might have
Speaker 4: a hot market to move them to get some pieces
Speaker 4: that might help to reset the team a little bit.
Speaker 4: But you know it's not a rebuild. And you might say, well,
Speaker 4: how do you trade six guys off your major league
Speaker 4: roster and add zero? I mean the Giants played a
Speaker 4: man down yesterday in Texas. I mean they took an
Speaker 4: all star second basement off the roster. They zik a
Speaker 4: former All star left fielder off their roster, the only
Speaker 4: two guys in their bullpen to throw hard, two fifths
Speaker 4: of their starting rotation. And you think, well, this is
Speaker 4: a team that's having a fire sale. But it's not
Speaker 4: a fire sale if Logan Web is still standing in
Speaker 4: the room, Because if it had been a rebuild, then
Speaker 4: Logan Web would be traded, and quite honestly, he would
Speaker 4: have gotten more than what the Tigers got for Terrek
Speaker 4: Schooble because he comes with two additional years of club control,
Speaker 4: so he would have been the big difference maker traded
Speaker 4: at the trade deadline if the Giants had put him
Speaker 4: out there. They didn't. They would have taken absolute pennies
Speaker 4: on the dollar for anybody who could give them a
Speaker 4: shred of cost savings on a Damis chapman En devs.
Speaker 4: They didn't do that. So this is not a team
Speaker 4: that's rebuilding, but they are a team that is definitely
Speaker 4: retooling in a big way, with an eye toward getting younger,
Speaker 4: boosting that farm system, trying to create a wave of
Speaker 4: talent that can really come up and make a difference. Now,
Speaker 4: does that really really make it appreciably likely that they're
Speaker 4: going to be a really good team next year? Probably not.
Speaker 4: So maybe you could quibble with whether it's a rerule
Speaker 4: or not. But if you're looking for the Giants to
Speaker 4: use the tradeline to make themselves a ninety win team
Speaker 4: next season, it probably wasn't the trade deadline for you.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you really just want to see
Speaker 4: the organization be in a healthier place, then I think
Speaker 4: that they accomplished that in a lot of ways.
Speaker 6: Bags This is now back to back seasons that we've
Speaker 6: seen the Giants be sellers at the trade deadline. Last
Speaker 6: year they moved three names. This year they've moved six.
Speaker 6: MURFH and I were discussing it earlier this morning. You
Speaker 6: might know better than both of us. Is this the
Speaker 6: biggest sell off at the trade deadline in Giant's history?
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it depends on what you call biggest.
Speaker 4: I mean, have they traded bigger players at the deadline? Gosh,
Speaker 4: I can't really think of I can't really think of
Speaker 4: guys that they've traded that have been just huge blockbusters.
Speaker 4: I mean really, the biggest trade that they've made mid
Speaker 4: seasoned in a long long time was the rock Yield
Speaker 4: Devers deal And I don't know if you want to
Speaker 4: call that a trade headline trade or not since it
Speaker 4: happened in June, but yeah, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 4: you could probably say it was the biggest sell off,
Speaker 4: probably the biggest sell off in the twenty whatever years
Speaker 4: I've covered the team, But again, I don't think that
Speaker 4: necessarily equits.
Speaker 3: To fire cell Yeah, but I can't remember volume wise,
Speaker 3: I can't never remember this many players being traded from
Speaker 3: the Giants. This to me is number one. But that said,
Speaker 3: we got to talk about the big one. So of
Speaker 3: all of them, I would argue probably the two most
Speaker 3: attractive ones for the industry would be either the Ramon
Speaker 3: Marquez from the Phillies going for Luisa Rise. But the
Speaker 3: one I want to ask you about first is the
Speaker 3: Marcello Meyer one. Red Sox fans were in their feelings
Speaker 3: about that they had complex feelings about it, and he
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the darling of the future. You know,
Speaker 3: whether do you want to compare him to Luciano or
Speaker 3: Marco Luciano or whoever the Giants had through the years
Speaker 3: that fans were in love with. But he had not
Speaker 3: performed in his brief stints as a Red Sox, and
Speaker 3: he was also injury prone. But there's this potential. You
Speaker 3: look at Casey Schmidt and Elliott Ramos's guys who took
Speaker 3: a couple of years to get going. So your take
Speaker 3: on the Marcelo Meyer trade, trading away Eric Miller from
Speaker 3: Marcello Meyer, how do you evaluate that one?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think I would evaluate it pretty
Speaker 4: similarly to the way that Keith Law evaluated it on
Speaker 4: our site, which is you understand why the Red Sox
Speaker 4: did it. I mean, they feel like they have other
Speaker 4: players coming. Meyer's a guy who has had a lot
Speaker 4: of injuries, and you know, he was their opening day
Speaker 4: second basement, but they felt like they didn't have really
Speaker 4: a place to play him going forward and they needed
Speaker 4: a lefty reliever now. And this is a guy who's
Speaker 4: got some control and isn't just a rental We also
Speaker 4: know what Eric Miller's warts are because we've seen him
Speaker 4: pitch and he's got six walks per nine innings. You know,
Speaker 4: he's always going to be a high walk guy. He
Speaker 4: has a history of getting hurt, so you know, he
Speaker 4: stayed healthy this year, but last year he didn't, and
Speaker 4: then he was available to the Giants from the Phillies
Speaker 4: because he had that injury history. So you could be selling,
Speaker 4: you know, relatively peak value on him if you know
Speaker 4: he can't stay healthy from this point forward. And of
Speaker 4: course you wish him the best and you hope he
Speaker 4: has success and health, but he's still a reliever, and
Speaker 4: a reliever can only make so much impact. And this
Speaker 4: is a guy who's an everyday position player who was
Speaker 4: one of the top twenty prospects in the game basically
Speaker 4: a year ago, so he's still twenty three.
Speaker 5: Kind of cool.
Speaker 4: He went to the same high school as Casey Schmid,
Speaker 4: so you know, shout out to La Vista. Maybe there's
Speaker 4: gonna be some Giants fans there now. But you know,
Speaker 4: he's a guy who, if he does get back on track,
Speaker 4: he's you know, a four or five war player. He's
Speaker 4: a difference maker and just for a ten percent chance
Speaker 4: of getting that kind of player, it was worth the
Speaker 4: Giants doing this deal.
Speaker 2: Bags.
Speaker 6: The trade that stood out to me was Elliott Rama's
Speaker 6: being shipped out to the New York Yankees. What were
Speaker 6: your thoughts on the Giants treading away that controllable contract
Speaker 6: and overall the return package they got for Ramos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was It was a tough deal to trade Ramos,
Speaker 4: but you just kind of had a feeling they would
Speaker 4: because there were so many teams that needed a right
Speaker 4: handed hitting outfielder. And I think the Giants looked at
Speaker 4: a couple of things. One, you know, Ramos does have
Speaker 4: some limitations defensively. He's worked hard to get better this year,
Speaker 4: but we know it was a disaster last year, and
Speaker 4: they don't have a DH spot for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 4: certainly for the rest of this decade. If Devers and
Speaker 4: Eldridge are on the roster, so and you have other
Speaker 4: players coming up, You've got, you know, Victor Barracoto. They
Speaker 4: really like what they've seen from him, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if he's going to be an everyday big leaguer,
Speaker 4: but you know, you could maybe kind of close your
Speaker 4: eyes halfway and envision him doing what Ramos is doing.
Speaker 4: You know, they've got Dakota Jordan, they've got Bo Davidson,
Speaker 4: they've got Parks Harbor, they've got other players coming up,
Speaker 4: and so they felt like maybe they could cover that
Speaker 4: loss of Ramos and try to balance out the system
Speaker 4: because we know it's position player heavy. So if they
Speaker 4: were going to trade Ramos, it was only going to
Speaker 4: be if they got, you know, a really good pitcher
Speaker 4: back and lelane from the from the from the Yankee system.
Speaker 4: It is an interesting guy, six foot seven. He's from
Speaker 4: the Bronx, but he was actually an international signee from
Speaker 4: the Dominican Republic. And you know, he's a guy who
Speaker 4: wasn't protected from the Rule five draft a year ago.
Speaker 4: He wasn't major league ready obviously, so nobody took him.
Speaker 4: But that's where he's gotten to as a prospect. I mean,
Speaker 4: he wasn't making progress in the in the in the
Speaker 4: Yankee system, and and all of a sudden boom, now
Speaker 4: he's throwing ninety seven ninety eight with some really good secondaries.
Speaker 4: So the Giants have a guy that they that they
Speaker 4: can develop and hope can turn into something. And they
Speaker 4: just need as many of those guys as they can.
Speaker 4: I think he was the number five ranked Yankees prospect.
Speaker 4: So and then of course kayden Ken is the guy
Speaker 4: that the Giants, you know, as Buster Posey told us yesterday,
Speaker 4: they wanted to they wanted to take with their fort
Speaker 4: round pick last year, and the Yankee scooped him up
Speaker 4: thirteen picks ahead of where they were going to go.
Speaker 4: So is that one a little bit of a you know,
Speaker 4: kind of a narrative, you know, play a little bit
Speaker 4: of a popular deal to get Kent's kid in in
Speaker 4: the fold? And you know, Tent had joked that he
Speaker 4: can't be all the way in as a Giant because
Speaker 4: you know, he still has to be a little bit
Speaker 4: of a Yankee fan. Well, now that's out of the way,
Speaker 4: and we know that they have Peyton bonds in the system.
Speaker 4: So the whole thing of Tenton bonds, you know, is
Speaker 4: there some of it that might be a little beyond
Speaker 4: you know, the nuts and bolts baseball. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: they say no, but I believe maybe there's a little
Speaker 4: bit of a lure there. So yeah, it's a fun
Speaker 4: thing to dream on.
Speaker 2: Fun stuff. Andy Bagley.
Speaker 3: By the way, we had Jeff Ken on last week
Speaker 3: and he had great audio. I know you'll probably talk
Speaker 3: to him, but he goes, he goes. He was talking
Speaker 3: about Cayden's man. Yeah, I told him he's two forty.
Speaker 3: I'm going to kill him. So he said he's got
Speaker 3: to wants him to hit for a high average and
Speaker 3: move the ball around. He had a really good breakdown
Speaker 3: of him. You can of course find those at cambar
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 3: A couple other things to get to is it was
Speaker 3: interesting that Buster went out of his way. None of
Speaker 3: you asked him, and he just said, I would like
Speaker 3: to flag and highlight Ramon Marquez of the Philadelphia Phillies.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that.
Speaker 3: He said that, and was that the one on the
Speaker 3: Arise trade that the industry sort of gave the Giants
Speaker 3: a golf clap on Huh.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I think that they were determined. However, the
Speaker 4: chips fell, and whoever was interested in the various players
Speaker 4: they wanted to feel like they came out of this
Speaker 4: trade deadline with one really, really highly ranked pitching prospect
Speaker 4: wherever it came from, and Marquez was one of those
Speaker 4: guys on their list that they thought might be available
Speaker 4: but weren't sure. And for the Phillies. He was the
Speaker 4: one guy that they thought okay, and a lot of
Speaker 4: teams are asking on him. He's probably going to be
Speaker 4: the one big chip that we use to get, you know,
Speaker 4: an offensive player who can really help our situation. And
Speaker 4: the Giants were the team that had the match, so
Speaker 4: I think they feel fortunate that, you know, they did
Speaker 4: find this match and they got the picture that they
Speaker 4: wanted because this is a guy, you know, he's still
Speaker 4: I think he's just twenty and really a neat story.
Speaker 4: Are Charlotte Barnes who interned with the Chronicle actually recently
Speaker 4: and now she's covering the Phillies for us along with
Speaker 4: Matt gel who does they built do a tremendous job.
Speaker 4: They they saw this coming. It was so obvious that
Speaker 4: he was going to be traded that they wrote a
Speaker 4: feature a couple of days ago on him just to
Speaker 4: tell his backstory. And he was signed for you know,
Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars when they found him at you know,
Speaker 4: a tryout in in Merit of Mexico. So yeah, a
Speaker 4: really neat story, and he obviously turned himself very very
Speaker 4: quickly into somebody who opened eyes and became really their
Speaker 4: second best pitching prospect in their system, and you know,
Speaker 4: you get a guy with a really really plus change up.
Speaker 4: He can make, you know, lower minor league hitters look
Speaker 4: really silly.
Speaker 7: And that's exactly what's happening bags.
Speaker 6: Going back from the Patrick Bailey trade to the draft
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago to yesterday's trade deadline, how
Speaker 6: much better is the Giants overall farm system than it
Speaker 6: was to start the season.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think you also layer in performance. You know,
Speaker 4: whether it's Dakota Jordan or Gavin Keelan, the way the
Speaker 4: two kids josu Ar and Luis Gonzalez and Hernandez are
Speaker 4: starting out in the Complex League and now at San Jose,
Speaker 4: the way just the teams have played in one I
Speaker 4: know it's not exactly the number one metric you look at,
Speaker 4: but you know the fact that the teams are playing well,
Speaker 4: they're playing good baseball, they're complementing each other well, those
Speaker 4: are habits that the Giants want to ingrain and it's happening.
Speaker 4: I think all those things are positives. And you know,
Speaker 4: it's been a really, really bleak year and I think
Speaker 4: the only thing that kind of, you know, maybe is
Speaker 4: the jewel in the crown is there has been a
Speaker 4: lot of progress in the farm system and this trade deadline,
Speaker 4: you know, only puts a little more air in the balloons.
Speaker 4: So where they're going to rank at the end of
Speaker 4: the year. And to be clear, you know, prospect rankings,
Speaker 4: farm system rankings, they don't matter. They're only concepts, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, there're Dart new flags fly forever based on
Speaker 4: where your system ranks. But it is a good barometer
Speaker 4: of just the health where you are. And I think
Speaker 4: that the Giants are very, very easily going to be
Speaker 4: a top ten system and some people think need to
Speaker 4: even top five in the year. Sommer four.
Speaker 3: Let's go Andy just a bit on this year's team,
Speaker 3: and you wrote a pretty really solid piece on Sunday
Speaker 3: just calling out the Giants handling of their pitching this year,
Speaker 3: from Tony Vitello to Frank Anderson ad justin message to
Speaker 3: Christian Wonders Marks. I even highlighted a few of Andy's
Speaker 3: key phrases strategic shortcomings, misuse of resources, odd usage decisions,
Speaker 3: have not looked to exploit matchups.
Speaker 5: Those are just a.
Speaker 3: Few phrases that you used you felt the need to
Speaker 3: write out that you just called it out, Andy, I'll
Speaker 3: give you credit.
Speaker 2: You called him out.
Speaker 3: You backed it up with a lot of evidence of
Speaker 3: any number of odd bad decisions they've used in handling
Speaker 3: their pitching this year. I don't know if you got
Speaker 3: any feedback or how you feel about, you know, when
Speaker 3: you wrote the piece and what you would say the
Speaker 3: Giants fans about, you know, how they fix that?
Speaker 2: Is it about cleanon house?
Speaker 3: Does this pitching coach staff not last the rest of
Speaker 3: the year, Does Tony V have to get a lot
Speaker 3: better fast?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the takeaway from it?
Speaker 4: I think I think everything has to be on the
Speaker 4: tables because you know, they've just they've just really been
Speaker 4: inefficient with how they've used their pitching this year. And
Speaker 4: now you know, they're about to wade into two months
Speaker 4: with you know, really a shred of a rotation and
Speaker 4: they're going to have to really mix it up. And
Speaker 4: I think they're recognizing that, and you're going to start
Speaker 4: seeing that Blade said, well, starting tonight they are looking
Speaker 4: at using an opener for Adrian Hauser, which they should
Speaker 4: have been doing earlier this year. But you know, I
Speaker 4: think for me, it's just the little things at UH
Speaker 4: and you start wondering, are they do they really, you
Speaker 4: know what's going on here, what's happening in the think tank,
Speaker 4: because you know, there's there's no reason Keaton Winn should
Speaker 4: be pitching the ninth inning of a sixteen to three
Speaker 4: game when he pitched the night before, especially when you
Speaker 4: don't have a day off the next day, and when
Speaker 4: and he's already been on the il for in playing
Speaker 4: belbow because you used them three times in a row
Speaker 4: earlier this year. Which might have been the worst decision
Speaker 4: that you know, that group has made all year was
Speaker 4: taking out logan web, putting in you know, a gas
Speaker 4: heat and win and letting his elbow blow up while
Speaker 4: you lose a game. So yeah, you know what, It's just,
Speaker 4: I think we were so conditioned to see the Giant's
Speaker 4: mind for every little advantage and and really do a
Speaker 4: lot of pitching chaos to the point where you know,
Speaker 4: it kind of ticked off fans under far hansiety and
Speaker 4: and uh and gave Kapler and and they weren't They
Speaker 4: were so unconventional. You wanted to know who the starting
Speaker 4: pitcher was going to be the next day. And I
Speaker 4: think the Giants have over corrected themselves, just straight into
Speaker 4: a ditch. I mean that's I think that's the phrase
Speaker 4: I used, and they got it. They got to examine
Speaker 4: that and whether that means changing personnel, whether that means
Speaker 4: changing the way that they do things, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: and however far up that goes. I mean, they have
Speaker 4: to pay attention to this because you know, we know
Speaker 4: the I think the way I phrased it was the
Speaker 4: who is a big question. Who's going to be in
Speaker 4: the rotation the rest of the way, who's going to
Speaker 4: be in the rotation next year? You know, who's who's
Speaker 4: going to be the candidates in camp next year. But
Speaker 4: that if the how doesn't change, then you're only going
Speaker 4: to get so much better.
Speaker 3: I think you said it perfectly and I think you're
Speaker 3: one hundred percent right on everything. So they're going to
Speaker 3: take a hard look at that at the end of
Speaker 3: the season and maybe make some changes. So all right, Andy,
Speaker 3: a lot covered and a lot more. Will do it
Speaker 3: again next week and keep reading in the Athletic.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks bags, Yeah, thanks guys.
Speaker 4: Take care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andy Baggley Man so much covered there. Listen, we
Speaker 3: can get back to it. We got cooler content that
Speaker 3: A little check in on the football Mike Sander did
Speaker 3: his quarterback tiers, and then of course more reaction to
Speaker 3: the trade deadline and Tim Flannery at nine thirty. So
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Speaker 2: How where do we start? Santa Clara?
Speaker 3: No, not with a substation, No, not with injuries? How
Speaker 3: about New York Nick NBA champion, World Champion head coach Mike.
Speaker 2: Wow Mike Brown in the four A way.
Speaker 3: He was so great when he was a Warrior's assistant
Speaker 3: Raymond would give him to us and he was just
Speaker 3: the cackle and the motorcycle riding and the good vibe
Speaker 3: of Mike Brown. And they fired Thibodeau. Get some to
Speaker 3: the East Eastern Conference finals. Everyody lose their mind set. Well,
Speaker 3: the next guy they hire is gonna have to win
Speaker 3: the championship, and he did.
Speaker 6: Guess what, which is crazy because before the playoffs started,
Speaker 6: there's people in New York saying, are the next gonna
Speaker 6: fire Mike Brown?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. He's not an NBA champion.
Speaker 3: So his son is a coach with the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 3: Cameron Brown, defensive quality control coach.
Speaker 2: So Mike Brown basking in the globe.
Speaker 3: Is bling and being a former Bay Area resident who
Speaker 3: likes the forty nine ers, came out to practice.
Speaker 2: We have a video on this Walt.
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Speaker 3: your car. Mike Brown, NBA Champ, World Champ, former Warrior,
Speaker 3: well interim head coach too for a while, professing his
Speaker 3: love for the forty nine ers and his son's new
Speaker 3: team here the Niners.
Speaker 5: A great man.
Speaker 8: I'm excited for the season. I'm always rooting them on,
Speaker 8: you know, Giants, Jets, apologize, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: My heart love.
Speaker 8: All that stuff is right here in the Bay Area whatever.
Speaker 8: Since my youngest son became a part of the staff,
Speaker 8: I believe I'm not bleed orange and blue with the Knicks,
Speaker 8: But there's a little sliver in that heart when you
Speaker 8: slice it open that the red comes out, and I
Speaker 8: make sure everybody knows it.
Speaker 5: When I'm back in New York.
Speaker 3: Mike Brown, you know what I love too is is
Speaker 3: none of this fake bs. You know I'm gonna root
Speaker 3: for the New York Giants in New York Jets now
Speaker 3: because I'm there, He said, Giants Jets.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm a forty nine. Sorry. We placed
Speaker 2: some ball on the West Coast march and.
Speaker 3: Then he started to say bleeds red and gold, and
Speaker 3: he had to throw in the I mean, I bleed
Speaker 3: orange and blue, but there's some red in there. So man, man,
Speaker 3: we gotta get Mike Brown to what do they start
Speaker 3: the fog? Is it the foghorn that they do.
Speaker 6: With Levi's I was gonna say, get Mike Brown to
Speaker 6: walk out with the boom box. There you go, and Walter,
Speaker 6: let me know if you have my song of choice
Speaker 6: dialed up, I need it if you have it. Mike
Speaker 6: Brown walking out of the Levi's tunnel blasting Baja man
Speaker 6: who let the dogs out straight from the championship. Arraid
Speaker 6: the dog.
Speaker 5: We got the dog on.
Speaker 2: This team later set it up, Mike Brown, who let
Speaker 2: the dogs.
Speaker 3: Well, hey man, Mike Brown didn't Now, I want to
Speaker 3: make sure he didn't get hurt in the filming of
Speaker 3: that video.
Speaker 6: Ah yeah, I gotta keep it away from that substation,
Speaker 6: A damn substation.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, Burnsy's next up. Eric Burns, our buddy on the
Speaker 3: No Filter podcast. He's great, but he we just have
Speaker 3: strong disagreements with Burnsy whether his son just got chosen
Speaker 3: on the fourteen you like national team, small team?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a stud little league player, right.
Speaker 3: Colton Burns Man, Yeah, he's been trading that kid at
Speaker 3: a young age and he's been throwing him cheese since
Speaker 3: he was six years old. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh Well, Burnsy,
Speaker 3: I mean he did not want to trade Luisa Rise,
Speaker 3: and he was very unhappy when Luisa Rise was traded.
Speaker 3: So here for all you people who didn't want to
Speaker 3: trade Luisa Rise, here's your patron, saint, Eric Burns.
Speaker 9: So Luisa Rise rated for the Phillies number four prospect
Speaker 9: right in a picture. There's one thing that's pretty easy
Speaker 9: to find in the game of baseball. That's right, had
Speaker 9: a pitcher number four prospects right in a pitcher for
Speaker 9: Louisa Rise, the magician, the one guy that has brought
Speaker 9: the entertainment value for the samass with Giants. Is here
Speaker 9: the one reason to turn on the TV or go
Speaker 9: to the ballpark? Eased every single night you treated Luisa Rise,
Speaker 9: the leader of the clubhouse, a leader of that Latin community,
Speaker 9: for a number fourth prospect right handed pitcher, not giving
Speaker 9: up a gold glove of a second basement, leading the
Speaker 9: league in batting average multiple time, batting him for a
Speaker 9: finer league right hand a pitcher.
Speaker 2: No, what should have you shif a Rise to a
Speaker 2: long term.
Speaker 9: Deal, you keep up and the Phillies you keep your
Speaker 9: number four profect right up picture? Ah, good morning.
Speaker 3: Give him a lot of credit for entertainment value there,
Speaker 3: good stuff.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: What's his beef with right handed pitchers? He do un'tlike righties?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's more righties than lefties in the big But
Speaker 6: would he have been all right with the trade if
Speaker 6: they got a left handed pitcher instead of right handed pitcher.
Speaker 2: Inn like John Montafusco, yea like see you see the
Speaker 2: thing is burnsy.
Speaker 6: If the Giants would have kept him, he would have
Speaker 6: walked away for absolutely nothing. You wouldn't have got a
Speaker 6: right handed pitcher. You would have got a left handed pitcher.
Speaker 6: You would have got Jack Squat. Now I can understand
Speaker 6: if you're upset that the Giants did not sign him
Speaker 6: to a longer deal this offseason, but there was no
Speaker 6: chance in hell Louise Rise was gonna sign a contract
Speaker 6: extension this year because what burns he just laid out.
Speaker 6: He's one of the best hitters in baseball, and his
Speaker 6: work with Ron Washington has taken his game to another level.
Speaker 6: The market's gonna be huge for Luisa Rise's offseason, and
Speaker 6: that's why you have to trade him. As entertaining as
Speaker 6: fun as Luisa Rise has been to watch this year,
Speaker 6: they were eighteen games under five hundred at the trade
Speaker 6: deadline and he was on an expiring contract.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the leader of the clubhouse, a leader
Speaker 9: that lot of community free number four prospective right had.
Speaker 3: A pitcher doesn't like those, so his argument would be no,
Speaker 3: even say in Burgess, no, you go get him a
Speaker 3: five year, one hundred and.
Speaker 2: Sixty dollars millionar dear right now, is that what he
Speaker 2: would say?
Speaker 3: Which would be crazy to tie him down along with
Speaker 3: Devers and Dominson Chapman, Right, but the point is to
Speaker 3: your point, Yeah, you're right, he's gonna go try somewhere else.
Speaker 3: And by the way, did you see in his farewell
Speaker 3: press hit with the with the Riders about how much
Speaker 3: he loves San Francisco and how thankful is he goes
Speaker 3: It's cold but.
Speaker 2: I love it so dude. That's two words right there.
Speaker 2: It's cold. He's gonna go somewhere warm to hit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, Louisa Rise is gonna get paid.
Speaker 6: And look, I wouldn't be mad if the Giants do
Speaker 6: entertain maybe another contract for him this offseason. But the
Speaker 6: facts are the facts. They were not going to sign
Speaker 6: into a contract extension this season. And that's why you
Speaker 6: had to move on from Luisa Rise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Man. Sorry, Darryl who just texted me into very angry
Speaker 3: what I'm sorry? This one just doesn't make any sense
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: Guys. You gotta get something, even if it's a number four, right,
Speaker 2: hit a picture? All right?
Speaker 6: The other scenario was him walking away like Kevin Cosman,
Speaker 6: like Blake Snell, like Carlos Rodan, and you're stuck holding that,
Speaker 6: you know what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, coach oh ed Orgeron is on cameo? Have you
Speaker 2: done cameo? Have you ever bought a cameo?
Speaker 5: No, I'm not. No.
Speaker 6: I know that we've bought a couple of cameos on
Speaker 6: this show, but personally not from my credit card.
Speaker 3: Phil Simms cameo Lives Forever. Paul I got Candae two
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Speaker 3: We have Mark McGrath from Sugar Ray.
Speaker 2: Oh was that a cameo? I believe he was hired.
Speaker 3: To let down a guy. He was hired by a
Speaker 3: gal to break up with a guy.
Speaker 2: That is what he said. Yeah, he said, you're right.
Speaker 6: Also, we one time got a Nikki he cameo from
Speaker 6: one of our listeners who said to one shut out,
Speaker 6: p one chuck.
Speaker 3: One Chuck, who said, yeah, anyways, blank the Dodgers exactly.
Speaker 2: Anyways, yeah the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: That's from the cameo, p one Chuck us, I've got
Speaker 3: an affinity for the Irish.
Speaker 2: So Coacho is available on cameo. Everybody enjoy ed.
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Speaker 2: There is a little sample tag. I want to have
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Speaker 5: Man.
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Speaker 3: Hey, I look up a Mike Sando of the Athletic
Speaker 3: to his quarterback tiers.
Speaker 2: Let's find out where they all rank.
Speaker 3: Talk a little football quarterback and then Tim Flannery at
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Speaker 3: One of the traditions this summer is the Mike Sando
Speaker 3: Quarterback tiers list. Always fun to argue and debate. Heck,
Speaker 3: we even made a top ten quarterback list a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago. That's how content crazy we are. And
Speaker 3: we have him on the zoom on our new fancy zoom.
Speaker 2: Call here, Mike Sander, our buddy from the Athletic. We'll
Speaker 2: see where brock Perty came in.
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, tied for eleventh, did not crack the top ten,
Speaker 3: despite you and I a couple of homers putting him
Speaker 3: on our top ten list. So Mike, welcome back to
Speaker 3: Murph and Marcus here on the Sports Leaders San Francisco.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Mike, Hey, more to Mike, I'm doing great.
Speaker 7: You know, the wife really likes the zoom thing, because
Speaker 7: then I you know, I got to comb my hair
Speaker 7: and you know, take look halfway presentable. So thanks for
Speaker 7: you for your service.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, well you've always been a guy with the best
Speaker 3: connection in the business. That's always been like a hallmark
Speaker 3: of you. But now that we get to see I'll
Speaker 3: cleaned up too.
Speaker 2: I would prefer you. You can come on with BedHead.
Speaker 2: You're good. You don't have to clean up for us.
Speaker 7: I got a haircut yesterday.
Speaker 3: Okay, you go in honor of the tier, in honor
Speaker 3: of dropping the tears. He cleaned it up nicely. Okay,
Speaker 3: Well let's start. There's so many different ways to go
Speaker 3: with that. Let's start with number one. It's Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: And I think there's almost like a narrative out there
Speaker 3: right now that is he number one?
Speaker 2: Right, I mean like that coming off the.
Speaker 3: Injury and questions, do you tell me, were you surprised
Speaker 3: at all that he still is number one? From your
Speaker 3: and by the way, just making sure for people don't know,
Speaker 3: this is a vast survey of NFL executives in front
Speaker 3: office types, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, fifty coaches and execs. I think there's eight gms,
Speaker 7: nine head coaches, maybe fifteen coordinators, you know a lot
Speaker 7: of people that prepare to face all these guys. So
Speaker 7: you know, obviously Mahomes gets a ton of respect somebody.
Speaker 7: You know, it's been said before. You know, he's sort
Speaker 7: of in the Brady seat, you know, Tom Brady like
Speaker 7: got to a point where he's just gonna be cheer one,
Speaker 7: Like You're not gonna it would take a lot of
Speaker 7: years of really bad play to get him out of there, right,
Speaker 7: And so he was. He was unanimous Tier one until
Speaker 7: like one of my last ballots, one of the last
Speaker 7: ballots was a two, So he gets one two. He's
Speaker 7: still top of the survey. A ton of people have
Speaker 7: a ton of respect for him, and I think that.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 7: I like the fact that people just don't overreact on
Speaker 7: the short term. One of the points that was made
Speaker 7: in this was I went back and looked Joe Montana
Speaker 7: had three straight one and done starts in the playoffs.
Speaker 7: And if you go back and read and I've done it.
Speaker 7: I went back in the archives, read the you know,
Speaker 7: the Chronicle and Glenn Dickey and guys writing about you know,
Speaker 7: what was going on back then. There was some there
Speaker 7: was and obviously they had Steve Young there and there
Speaker 7: was talk, and shoot, Montana won the next two MVPs.
Speaker 7: You know, so I think people feel like Mahomes has
Speaker 7: earned that regard right that they could usually win the
Speaker 7: next two MVPs.
Speaker 6: Mike Murph and I were going through these exercise just
Speaker 6: a week or so ago. Listen out our top ten quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: and it seems like there was almost a consensus from
Speaker 6: the tier one quarterbacks, the top four to five quarterbacks
Speaker 6: in the league.
Speaker 1: But then it.
Speaker 2: Feels like once you get to that five, six to.
Speaker 6: Twelve thirteen range, you could pretty much shuffle and put
Speaker 6: together the list anyway you want.
Speaker 7: I believe that too, and at that point the list
Speaker 7: may say more about you and how you view the game, right,
Speaker 7: And so one of the things I did was, you know,
Speaker 7: break it down by hey, what did the coordinators think
Speaker 7: versus or what did the offensive coaches think versus defense? Right,
Speaker 7: what did the gms or personnel people think compared to others?
Speaker 7: I thought justin Herbert was pretty fascinating that way. You know,
Speaker 7: coming in at six, hasn't really done it yet in
Speaker 7: the playoffs, yet everybody would want a half him as
Speaker 7: their quarterback. Almost all the teams below Herbert would want
Speaker 7: to have them right on their team, might even trade
Speaker 7: their guy even if they won a Super Bowl with them,
Speaker 7: Sam Darnold, Joe and hurts that you'd rather have Herbert right.
Speaker 7: But it does get to be you could defend putting
Speaker 7: them lower.
Speaker 3: We're talking to Mike Sando does the great quarterback tiers
Speaker 3: and fifty NFL head coaches and front office and gms
Speaker 3: and executives and coordinators all ranking these quarterbacks. It's one
Speaker 3: of the most fun things to do in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes number one. Before we get to Brock, I
Speaker 3: do want to talk about the fact that you say
Speaker 3: the four are locked in, and the four Josh Allen
Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow and Matt Stafford and Patrick Mahomes, and
Speaker 3: I'm a little surprised even I have I call it five.
Speaker 3: I still put Lamar there. You tell us what did
Speaker 3: the league say about Lamar? Why is he not in
Speaker 3: that same tier as those other guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, clearly last year wasn't as good for him,
Speaker 7: and his legs weren't there. You know, he didn't run.
Speaker 7: He still got what twenty twenty eight votes I believe
Speaker 7: in in twenty two votes in tier one, So you know,
Speaker 7: a lot of guys forty percent of the panel basically
Speaker 7: little more than that, are still putting him in Tier one.
Speaker 7: But his rushing yards went down to twenty five yards
Speaker 7: per game. It was fifty before that, and it was
Speaker 7: in the seventies before that. So what is he without
Speaker 7: that dynamic running ability? I think people feel like he's
Speaker 7: probably a high two mike.
Speaker 6: Getting down to brock Party at the number eleventh ranking
Speaker 6: in Tier two, he got one Tier one vote, thirty
Speaker 6: four Tier two votes, and fifteen Tier three votes.
Speaker 2: What do you think the.
Speaker 6: League wide perspective is on brock Party going into year six.
Speaker 7: I think he's really established himself as an upper tier
Speaker 7: quarterback who is probably not going to go, you know,
Speaker 7: into Tier one unless he were to really put it
Speaker 7: on his back and maybe do some things physically that
Speaker 7: you know, it is harder to do. But all the
Speaker 7: comments on him are pretty much positive. I think he's
Speaker 7: just he's had a career high number in this thing.
Speaker 7: Is votes for the best they've ever been. I don't
Speaker 7: but I don't think anyone's saying he's necessarily going to
Speaker 7: go to a one. I think still people still do
Speaker 7: give some credit. I think rightfully so to Kyle Shanan,
Speaker 7: who does a great job with the offense. But shoot,
Speaker 7: this is not a bad place to be. He's tied
Speaker 7: for eleventh with what is he tied with? Killer Williams?
Speaker 7: I believe m And you know you'd probably if I
Speaker 7: had to go with the next five games, I'd probably
Speaker 7: take Rock Purty, you know. Just he's going to play
Speaker 7: four good games and I don't know how many Kleb
Speaker 7: Williams is going to play. He might play one, he
Speaker 7: might play five. Right, He's a little all over the
Speaker 7: place probably still, But I think for the long term,
Speaker 7: you could see that Caleb Williams may pass him just
Speaker 7: on the talent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, Caleb's probably needs a little more evidence.
Speaker 3: The pull quote you guys have on Brock it's pretty flattering.
Speaker 3: It's from a defensive coach. It says stronger than you think,
Speaker 3: faster than you think, better than you think, almost like
Speaker 3: a six million dollar man type of compliment there.
Speaker 7: It shows you guys were right all the time, because
Speaker 7: that's what you were saying five years ago or three
Speaker 7: years ago when people trying to put him in Tier three.
Speaker 7: He's he's stronger than you think.
Speaker 5: He's faster.
Speaker 7: He's better than you think, right, and now people.
Speaker 2: Agree it's his mobility that goes there too.
Speaker 3: We're talking to Mike Sando here, and you know, guys
Speaker 3: who moved up a tier are catching our eyes, guys,
Speaker 3: And these are guys who Marcus and I sort of
Speaker 3: disagreed on he had.
Speaker 2: You had Caleb in there, right, yep, and I did not.
Speaker 2: And then I had Drake may and you did not. No,
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: So what do you think the league? Those two young guys.
Speaker 3: One guy went to a super Bowl, the other guy didn't.
Speaker 3: But these two guys are kind of the with a bullet,
Speaker 3: aren't they? Drake may and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5: They are.
Speaker 7: You know, I thought that there might be even more
Speaker 7: excitement around Drake Mayham. He just went to the super
Speaker 7: Bowl and all of that. I think it was solid excitement,
Speaker 7: But it wasn't like, oh, this guy's a one, you know.
Speaker 7: I think people still people feel good about him. They
Speaker 7: feel really good about him. So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 7: You know, some people may think he can go become
Speaker 7: a one. I think more people probably think Caleb Williams
Speaker 7: physically could become a one. I just don't know if
Speaker 7: the consistency. The consistency's going to be there with him.
Speaker 7: He is such a hold the ball player, and for
Speaker 7: that matter, Drake may takes a ton of sex, but
Speaker 7: it's hard to be consistent when you're using your legs
Speaker 7: all the time. And so that could be something to
Speaker 7: watch for both those guys, but especially Caleb.
Speaker 6: Jordan Love is a man that has ranked one spot
Speaker 6: ahead of Brock Party in these tier rankings at number
Speaker 6: ten overall. Now, I did have him as a top
Speaker 6: ten quarterback, one spot behind Brock Party at number nine
Speaker 6: in my rankings. But Mike, what do you think the
Speaker 6: maybe difference is between a Jordan Love and a Brock Party.
Speaker 6: Is there a thought that maybe Jordan Love has a
Speaker 6: higher ceiling with his athleticism or why do you think
Speaker 6: he's one spot ahead.
Speaker 7: Of Brock How much this draft day still matter?
Speaker 5: Yeah, good wees.
Speaker 7: I do think that there's some of that. I do think,
Speaker 7: And look, there's a reason why guys go in the
Speaker 7: first round physically, you know, there's a difference between the
Speaker 7: two and it could be that simple. But certainly the
Speaker 7: production of rock Party has been probably more consistent for
Speaker 7: a longer period of time, you know, is there a
Speaker 7: huge difference between ten and tied for eleventh. Not really,
Speaker 7: I mean they're super close to each other. But again,
Speaker 7: that could be one where people think that love has
Speaker 7: a chance to go higher.
Speaker 3: Mike Sander's voice you hear from the Athletic and see
Speaker 3: him on our zoom too on a YouTube here he
Speaker 3: dropped the quarterback tears column, which as has gone through
Speaker 3: the years, has prettier and prettier graphics. By the way,
Speaker 3: with it, this is the one that forty nine ers
Speaker 3: fans love to hate. Dak Prescott and Marcus didn't even
Speaker 3: put him in his top ten.
Speaker 2: I think it was out of spite. I sure did.
Speaker 2: He went up five spots at this point in his career. Huh,
Speaker 2: getting that much better? Tell us about what the Lake said.
Speaker 7: That's probably my biggest surprise in the whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 7: you could always lock him in at ten or twelve
Speaker 7: something like that, and he's good, and then it doesn't
Speaker 7: happen in the playoffs, and you know, you can debate
Speaker 7: was their defense as Jerry Jones, you know, but he
Speaker 7: just hadn't done it. You've been around that long and
Speaker 7: haven't made a bigger dent in the playoffs. I think
Speaker 7: a certain the patience kind of runs out on you,
Speaker 7: and I think that's happened with some with with Justin
Speaker 7: Herbert over a much shorter period of time, and they're
Speaker 7: up big on Jacksonville, he blows, they blow the game.
Speaker 7: So I was a little bit surprised that he enched up.
Speaker 7: Now when you really look at how he played last year,
Speaker 7: A lot of great players around him. Yeah, and hold
Speaker 7: him back, Mike, hold him back in this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he really shot up.
Speaker 2: Mike gets funny.
Speaker 6: We just had our good friend Matt Mayoko on the
Speaker 6: show just the other week and we were talking about
Speaker 6: these rankings, and he said, Dak Prescott might be the
Speaker 6: most overrated and the most underrated quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 6: Do you think that's it's kind of due to the
Speaker 6: cowboy fatigue we hear so much about each and every day.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 7: I think that's some of it.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 7: And then this the gap between you know, when he's
Speaker 7: healthy is regular season production is really good and they
Speaker 7: haven't done anything in the playoffs, and you know, last year,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to blame him for that because their
Speaker 7: defense was horrible, but there's always something right. And I
Speaker 7: think over a long enough period of time, you would
Speaker 7: expect there to be some better team results.
Speaker 3: There's some interesting a lot of local. All politics is local,
Speaker 3: and all quarterbacks are local. Jared Goff, he grew up
Speaker 3: in Marine County. I went to Marine Catholic High School
Speaker 3: in Nevado, California, President Resident, and then of course played
Speaker 3: at cal Berkeley. He's still despite the lines taking a
Speaker 3: little bit of a step back since their NFC Championship appearance,
Speaker 3: still top tied for eighth. What was the feeling on
Speaker 3: goth because there are some people that would knock him Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that he's fully recovered though from the Sean
Speaker 7: McVay rejection, right. I mean, I think that hurt him
Speaker 7: and he was a little bit of a low there,
Speaker 7: the fact that he you know, there's nothing he does
Speaker 7: with us like magic with his legs or you know,
Speaker 7: he really does need it needed to be pretty good
Speaker 7: around him. But when it is good around him, he
Speaker 7: is really really good and great decision maker with the football.
Speaker 7: I talk to people that you know, had had seen
Speaker 7: him in person and came away more impressed because you
Speaker 7: can kind of see running of the whole operation. That's
Speaker 7: really what people see of Dak Prescott, the guy runs
Speaker 7: the whole thing, and it's hard to find. So many
Speaker 7: of these quarterbacks are you know, you can debate that
Speaker 7: they're a product of the system or somebody propping them up,
Speaker 7: but there are guys doing all this stuff at the
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage. And if you're super talented doing that,
Speaker 7: you're Stafford and you're in the top tier. But I
Speaker 7: think a couple of these guys, like goth and even
Speaker 7: Prescott are benefiting from the fact that's not really the
Speaker 7: trend in the league with guys coming out of college.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: And so there's an appreciation for the guy who is
Speaker 7: up their line of scrimmage and really in charge of
Speaker 7: the thing, as opposed to being more of a product
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 6: Mike, last question for me circling back to the forty
Speaker 6: nine ers offense and brought party last year. Obviously, injuries
Speaker 6: were a big concern. They've got George Kittle recovering from
Speaker 6: an achilles injury. Ricky Piersol is now out for the
Speaker 6: season with the PCL surgery. Mike Evans, Dejon Stribb, and
Speaker 6: Christian Christian Kirk are dealing with minor injuries in camp
Speaker 6: right now. They just brought back Tebo Samuel. So that's
Speaker 6: a long way of me asking you, where do you
Speaker 6: think the forty nine Ers offense is going to be
Speaker 6: this year? Where brock party In the addition of Mike Evans.
Speaker 7: I'm worried a lot of people really applauded that move
Speaker 7: to get him, but he missed a bunch of the
Speaker 7: year last year. I think the the odds are the
Speaker 7: Bucks you know, got out. Probably they didn't get out
Speaker 7: a year too late, right, They probably got out on time.
Speaker 7: And so uh, you know, I was already worried about
Speaker 7: Christian McCaffrey because the other two times the league in
Speaker 7: touches he had injuries the next year. So now he's
Speaker 7: obviously older than he was then, And you know, are
Speaker 7: we taking him for granted right where all the focuses
Speaker 7: on the wide receivers. But yeah, Kittle coming off of
Speaker 7: the injury. Evans, who probably even if he isn't missing
Speaker 7: time right now, I tell you he's going to miss
Speaker 7: games this year. Pearsall now is out. I'm definitely worried,
Speaker 7: and I'm sure forty nine Er fans are too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, Mike. And last one for me is
Speaker 3: non Niners. It's Jalen Hurts. This guy won a Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: Super Bowl MVP. I'm correct, isn't he super Yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, he's quite great in Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: Guy has declined eight spots, like plummeting from number nine
Speaker 3: down to number seventeen. Man talk about the quote, the
Speaker 3: poll quote you guys have is his best plays are
Speaker 3: off schedule. This is a defensive coach. It will become
Speaker 3: less sustainable as he gets older. So the knock is
Speaker 3: that he's just a he's an off schedule guy who
Speaker 3: as aged, who.
Speaker 7: Has had those monster super Bowls. You can't take it
Speaker 7: away away from him. You don't feel like that's what
Speaker 7: got him there, right, the great offensive line, what do
Speaker 7: they had Sae Kwon berk he or not? You know,
Speaker 7: a really good defense this last year. People just feel like,
Speaker 7: if you can make him throw the ball a lot,
Speaker 7: he can't execute all of the throws the rock perty
Speaker 7: can even in an offense just boom boom, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 7: It's got to be you know, the slant or the
Speaker 7: go ball. And he was able to hit those in
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl and make huge plays over the top
Speaker 7: of the heads of the Chiefs but do you feel
Speaker 7: like he's a consistent driver of your offense, especially if
Speaker 7: it were to fall off around him, which it has
Speaker 7: a little bit. Nobody really thinks that, And I don't know.
Speaker 7: Do you think that they're eager to sign him to
Speaker 7: a raise with a big extension you beat?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, interesting text interesting texts. We'll see what happens
Speaker 3: in Philly for sure. Well, listen, there's so much to
Speaker 3: go through. We didn't even get to number thirty five,
Speaker 3: Sudor Sanders.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to him. Where's my guy Fernando on
Speaker 2: that list?
Speaker 3: Well, you know who's number twenty eight? Is twenty eight,
Speaker 3: so kind of down down there in the weeds there.
Speaker 3: Buddy Marcus is a Raiders fan. Mike, it's great, it's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's pretty to look at, it's fun, it's easy to access.
Speaker 2: In the Athletic.
Speaker 3: Everybody go check out the quarterback tiers by Mike Sando.
Speaker 3: Thanks for hopping on and cleaning up for us. We
Speaker 3: appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Mike.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, let's do it again during the season.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Mike Sandal, good stuff from the Athletic. Well, listen,
Speaker 3: Brock is climbing. He's up there, man, Jalen Hurst gets
Speaker 3: not a ton of love.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, his game's kind of dropped off a little bit,
Speaker 6: and they've been losing some pieces.
Speaker 3: And the guy I wanted to get into my top
Speaker 3: ten just I was trying to find a way wound
Speaker 3: up fourteenth.
Speaker 2: And that's Baker Mayfield. Baker. The pull quote they have
Speaker 2: on him is streakiest player in the league. Yeah, Baker
Speaker 2: is a baller. When he's on, he's on.
Speaker 6: But yeah, there are times where a Baker does not
Speaker 6: look like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 2: And then of course you go, what did I rank nineteenth?
Speaker 2: Oh man, let's shut you. That's what the media was said.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna plead the fifth on that one.
Speaker 2: Murphy who put me nineteenth?
Speaker 6: Doctor must have been a usp it been, must have
Speaker 6: been the main must have been Tony must have been.
Speaker 2: Listen. We wish him well with this family reconciliation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, back to the reaction to the Giants trade deadline.
Speaker 3: Uh man, oh man, I can't believe it. Some people
Speaker 3: angry about the Louis Rise trade. At least couple of
Speaker 3: people in my orbit, not me. We'll get into it ataway.
Speaker 3: Cambiar Is the phone number. Ramos is a Yankee, Arise
Speaker 3: as a Philly Robbie Ray is a Padre. Eric Miller
Speaker 3: is a Red Sox Etaway cambiar is the phone number.
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