1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: We do it every week throughout the baseball season with 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Andrew Baggerley covers the Giants for the Athletic Badge, a 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: sponsored by Marin Health. The top physicians, surgeons and clinicians 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: right here in the North Bay. Marin Health puts you 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: closer to your best health, world class care, closer than 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: you think. Andy Baggerley joins us on the UMA guest 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: line back, what's going on, man. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: How are you good? 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Good dude? Solid? First road tripn just nice, tight down 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: to San Diego three days and back. 11 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I flew down Monday morning. I've got 12 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: a flight in about three hours going back. So I'm like, 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: there's so much room in my suitcase. I'm like normally 14 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: have to wedge everything in. It's like I have so 15 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 2: much room. I could take anything I want. 16 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Shop a little bit and you buy some stuff on 17 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: the way back. Did some souvenirs. You got to get 18 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: the season started right. So nice to see the offense 19 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: for the Giants guld going yesterday's sixteen hits and they 20 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: needed all six of them on Monday. I just want 21 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: to start with Logan web. You asked him yesterday after 22 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the game about whether or not the WBC affected him. 23 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: We played the sound by just a few minutes ago, 24 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: and I thought his answer was a pretty good one, saying, 25 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: if I'm tired, it's my fault. But is he is 26 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: he saying that when he feels off, does he think 27 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: it's something mechanical with him right now? 28 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: Well, he did say that he switched up his mechanics 29 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: and you could see it. You know, he's got this 30 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: little like slide step that he does on the mound 31 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: and he started doing that last year and and you know, 32 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: kind of eliminated that a little bit in the fifth inning. 33 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: So I think he just got frustrated. He wasn't in 34 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: the zone with his change up really at all. I 35 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: want to say, maybe he threw one change up end zone. 36 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: Uh and and you know, you don't always want an 37 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: end zone. Sometimes it's serving its purpose by getting you 38 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: to chase. But I think he was just a little frustrated, 39 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: especially with that pitch. And you know, it seems like 40 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: with him, it's always something. It's either his slide or 41 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: his change up. And he's a perfectionist. He's one of 42 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: the best pitchers in baseball because you know, he's not 43 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: easily satisfied. So yeah, He definitely labored a little bit. 44 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: When when you see him have a strikeout to walk 45 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: ratio of you know, four walks five strikeouts that that's 46 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: typically not a Logan web start. But you know, I 47 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: had to run support. He obviously doesn't get that a lot, 48 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: so you know, he was able to get a win 49 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: out of it. And but but clearly he feels he's 50 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: got some work to do to get back to where 51 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: he thinks he's going to be the best version of himself. 52 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: The effective and the Giants are I mean, hey, they're 53 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: moving them up. They're pitching him on this regular fifth day, 54 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: they're not giving them the extra day with the days 55 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: off that they've got, and they had let him go 56 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: over one hundred pitches this last time. So clearly they're 57 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: not too concerned about the WBC workload because they're they're 58 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: piling it on them right away. 59 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: What do you think of the way Tony Vittel and 60 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: handled Logan? We have last night's thinking the game bag 61 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 3: is after the way the first downing went against the 62 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: Yankees and the third inning last night, I think most 63 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: managers may be quick to take the race out after five, 64 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 3: But what did it mean for the first year manager 65 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: of trust his a's for six innings last night. 66 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think he just thought he was the best 67 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: matchup for that next pocket of the lineup coming up, 68 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: and he had just struck out, you know, the heart 69 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: of the Padres order. It looked the best he had 70 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: looked all day in the fifth and I think you 71 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: know that he was in ninety two pitches, and I 72 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: think if there's any consternation, it's that the first batter, 73 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: I think it might have been Bogart's went, you know, 74 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: eight or nine pitches that first at bat, and then 75 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: then you start to swallow a little bit hard because 76 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want to want him to throw one 77 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: hundred and ten plus. But but he got the next 78 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: two outs pretty quickly, I think the next one on 79 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: one pitch, and then obviously that was enough from there. So, 80 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: you know, not a surprise. I think for most guys 81 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 2: that that fifth inning would have been it for him. 82 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: But you know, Logan Web's guy who's led the league 83 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: in innings, you know, the last three years, So he's 84 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: kind of demonstrated that he deserves that trust, and that 85 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: would be true probably for any manager, whether it's Tony 86 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: Vitelo bris Bochi or you know, let me manage the 87 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: game all that Logan web throw a sixth inning. 88 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Talking to Andrew Baggerley of The Athletic with us on 89 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the uma gesline, Giants fell to the pod race today 90 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: seven to one. Do we have any idea or any 91 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: thought from Vaytello yetis to when we could see Raphael 92 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: Devers at first base? 93 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he booked it down the line the 94 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: other day. I think he had a sprint speed of like, 95 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: you know, twenty eight or something like that, so everyone 96 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: was joking about how fast he was running. He's ustling, 97 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: and it is a little a little curious that he 98 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: had you know what. I think think that it's it's 99 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: all the work that he has to do in pregame, uh, 100 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: you know, to get ready to play first base, and 101 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: they just want to try to keep him off his 102 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: feet a little bit. So they've just been really cautious 103 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: with him. Uh. And I don't think we're going to 104 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: be waiting a long time. But I don't think it's 105 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: necessarily imminent either. It sounds like maybe if it's not 106 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Casey Schmidt, then maybe Juwa and Cronossion could get a 107 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: start at first base. Because the Mets do have a 108 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: lefty on the mound in the homestand opener tomorrow, So 109 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to be waiting weeks for it, 110 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 2: But but I also don't think it's going to happen 111 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: like maybe the next day or two. 112 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: That was sort of my next question is if we 113 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: do when we do see him at first base, in 114 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: assuming we're seeing a lot of the same guys that 115 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: are in the lineup or that we've seen through the 116 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: first six games, if we saw him at first base, 117 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that it's just Casey Schmidt to d 118 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: would you at that point think it's in carnossion. There's 119 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: no lefty on the bench, so it's it's sort of 120 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: my heat. 121 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: That's that's That's kind of what I would assume is 122 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: that that's going to open up some opportunities for Juara 123 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: that he hasn't had thus far. And there's clearly a 124 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: lot of belief in him. There's I mean, if I 125 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: tell it, really speaks very highly of Incarnacio, not only 126 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: as you know, kind of the presence he has in 127 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: the batter's box, but just also the person and the teammate. 128 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: There's clearly a lot of people rooting for him, and 129 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of belief in him. Now, yeah, obviously 130 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: this team needs a left handed bat. They need need 131 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: another left handed bat on the bench. You know, it's 132 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: not gonna necessarily be Bryce Eldridge because he's a guy 133 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: who would be starting if he's in the big leagues. 134 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: They wouldn't have him in the big leagues to be 135 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: a reserve. But you know, they need that sort of 136 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: lefty kind of thumper guy who can come up and 137 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: and you know, make spot starts, maybe pinch it in 138 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: the late innings, and and that's something that's missing on 139 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: this team right now. You know, they do have lefty 140 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: bat options at Triple A, whether it's Brendan, whether it's 141 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: Drew Gilbert, but those guys, you know, especially in Gilbert's case, 142 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: was down in spring training for a bit with shoulder impingement. 143 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean that that is a hole 144 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: on the roster for sure. And what they do at 145 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: d H, I mean, they could have Louis a rise 146 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: DH a little bit, maybe have keep Casey Schmidt in 147 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: the line up that way, put them at second base, 148 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: that that could be a way they go. So they 149 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: do have some options, but but yeah, you would like 150 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: to get another lefty bat in there to DH against 151 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: righty's when it's not Devers, And I don't know if 152 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: they have a lot of choices other than dra Our. 153 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 3: Talking to Andy Baggerley on the UMA guest line, we 154 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: were all puzzled by the lineup on Monday with Domis 155 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: leading off and a rise in the cleanups of spot 156 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: and the offense reverted back to what we saw with 157 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: the Yankees. But last night four for five, the leadoff 158 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: homer in a double so then they found the right 159 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 3: spot for a Damas or It's all part of lineup 160 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: changes we'll see throughout the season. 161 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. One thing I've learned doing this 162 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: is the most the thing we talk about the most 163 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: that nds up being hot air is lineup position. It 164 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: really is, because you just you go as the guys go, 165 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: and yeah, sometimes someone just really gets in a good 166 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: rhythm in one spot and you don't want to mess 167 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: with it. But it's just it's just such a dynamic thing. 168 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: There's just even the teams with the most lineup continent, 169 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: you're going to use, you know, fifty lineups plus over 170 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: a season. I mean, a lot of teams will use 171 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: one hundred plus lineups over a season. So yeah, it 172 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: looks weird to have Luisa Rias as the cleanup hitter, 173 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: you know, but but maybe you know, you think differently 174 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: about the cleanup hitter than you used to. Just like 175 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: you got guys like Kyle Warber who are leadoff hitters 176 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: now and there they would never have been leadoff hitters, 177 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: you know, a decade ago. So you know, I think 178 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: you just look at the lineup construction and how guys 179 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: play off each other. How you know, maybe you can 180 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: make it tough by you know, going left right, left, 181 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: right switch, and uh, it's a little tougher to you know, 182 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: have a team's bullpen a game plan for you with 183 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: the three batter rules, so you know, and I think 184 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: they just needed to switch it up. You know, obviously 185 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: there was some there are some people squeezing the bat 186 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: after that first series against the Yankees, just one run 187 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: in three games against some really good pitching, and uh, 188 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: you know, they landed on a Damis leading off and 189 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: and it kind of kind of works. So I expect 190 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: that maybe they could continue to roll with that. But 191 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's one of those things, the 192 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: lineups dynamic, It's gonna change all here. 193 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: Jose, but through last night had a clean it in 194 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: the ninth had two strikeouts, and then today comes in 195 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and struggles. But he clearly was not okay. His velocity 196 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: was down and in and got away from him and 197 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: neither he nor there. But then he leaves the game. 198 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: And I guess afterwards, if I Tella called it arm tightness, 199 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: do we know what kind of evaluation he's going to get? 200 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: And I guess the next question would be who is 201 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the first guy up? Is it a guy like Spencer Bibvens. 202 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Who do you think they'd call on first? 203 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got Bivens, he got back. If they feel 204 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: they need some more length, you know, there are some 205 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: other choices as well, like a see more. You know, 206 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: it probably be whoever is the most rusted. You know, 207 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: they did get their season started at a triple A. 208 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: I would imagine more likely than not, this is going 209 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: to be an il deal for Bhutto, And I guess 210 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 2: the hope is that it's just going to be a 211 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: little inflammation. And obviously we know what worst case scenarios are. 212 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: And you know, he was he was facing his eighth batter, 213 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: and there were some signs that maybe you know, his 214 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: velo was down and Matt Chapman went to check on him. 215 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: At one point he said he was okay. He you know, 216 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: they did check on him and and uh and he 217 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: said he was okay to continue, and then obviously it 218 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: became a parent that he wasn't. So, yeah, a lot 219 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: of concern over him. The guy who you know, pitched 220 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: really really well for Venezuela and in the World Baseball Classic. 221 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: You know, seems like there are always pitchers who participate 222 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: in that WBC who you know, have some sort of 223 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: diletorious effects and and I'm not saying that's that's definitely 224 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: what's what's happening here, but uh, you know it's possible, certainly. 225 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: And yeah, so that there's If there's anything that these 226 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: guys were sort of downcast about after after losing here, 227 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: it was that because you know, otherwise they won a series, uh, 228 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: you know against the team there were three and ten 229 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: against last year, and it was a real frustration that 230 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: they could not beat the pot Race, they could not 231 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: beat the Dodgers. I mean, they went what six and 232 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: twenty against those two teams, and you know, you just 233 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: you know, claw back a couple wins here against those 234 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: two teams, and and this team's in the playoffs last year, 235 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: so I think they feel really good about the series overall. 236 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: But but yeah, that's that's definitely something that you could 237 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: tell was hanging in the air a little bit as 238 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: they were wheeling themselves out of the visiting clubhouse. 239 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: Andy, what do you thought of the bullpen overall to 240 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: this point? And Ryan Walker got through the ninth inning 241 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: on Monday despite the home run, But does it feel 242 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: like the closure roll is up for grabs with him 243 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: not taking command of the job the other night? 244 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he What probably was a bigger deal 245 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: was the more than the home run was the four 246 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: pitch walk. I mean, you just don't want to do 247 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: that when you're coming in with a three to nothing lead. 248 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: You'd rather almost give up the solo homer than going 249 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 2: to walk to the first guy. So so that wasn't great. 250 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: But you know, I do think there was a reason 251 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: that they did not name a closer. I don't think 252 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: they wanted to sort of walk it back if if 253 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: he wasn't able to kind of grab the job. But 254 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: then it also wasn't a surprise that he was the 255 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: guy they handed the ball to. I think everyone would 256 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: love for him to reestablish himself as the guy that 257 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: would That would certainly allow them to build the bullpen 258 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: easier from from you know, back to front. But you know, 259 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: they like Caleb Killy and they like Keaton Win. They 260 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: have other people that they can do it. But you know, 261 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 2: those guys also haven't pitched, you know, like fifty appearances 262 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: in the season. They're still getting used to the whole 263 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: idea of being a relief pitcher period. So kind of 264 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: tough to ask someone like that to become a closer 265 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: full time, where you know, the safe situations can come 266 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: in bunches, and sometimes you need somebody three days in 267 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: a row, or or you need them, you know, for 268 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: the third day out of five, or whatever the case 269 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: may be. So Ryan Walker has been there, He's done that, 270 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: so I think it'll be it'll make it'll make it 271 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: easy if if he makes the decision for everyone and 272 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: and has some clean innings. So you know, it was 273 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: one pitch obviously two strikes to Merrill and that that 274 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: made it a three to two game, But he did, 275 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: he did shut the door, So I don't think there's 276 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: a whole lot of concern right now. But yeah, there's 277 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: a reason they didn't me m a closer, So it'll 278 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: be up to him to nail that job down. 279 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Now they're made it here with Andy Baggerley of the 280 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Athletic Covers the Giants, I want to ask about it. 281 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: So we had land in group on yesterday after his 282 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: outing a couple of nights ago. He was really good 283 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: through six innings and eighty seven pitches and shut down 284 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: the Podras. But I was asking him about the ABS 285 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: system and if they have, you know, the like a 286 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: protocol for how they go about it, or does everybody 287 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: just trust Patrick Bailey and let him handle it one? 288 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: How have you enjoyed it, because it's I actually think 289 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: it's way more fun than I anticipated it was going 290 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: to be. I think this is a good system in general, 291 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: but also I wonder how different teams are going to navigate. 292 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: Like the White Sox catcher is four for ten right 293 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: now on challenges. I'm like that's not a good rate. 294 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: So have you talked to anybody about how the Giants 295 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: are operating it? 296 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? The Potter's Catcher for me miss missed one as well. 297 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: And you think the catchers. The catchers have the highest 298 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: percentage of success rate, you know, when they tested it 299 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, And I think the expectation for 300 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: for a lot of giants pitchers are are like, I'm 301 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: just gonna let Patrick Bailey do it because he's he's 302 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: got a better view of it than me. And and 303 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: I'm emotional. I want every I want every pitch. Every 304 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: pitch looks good to me. So you know, it does 305 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: seem like there are what I didn't kind of anticipate 306 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: is that there are going to be situations where even 307 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: if you think you probably won't win the challenge, it's 308 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: worth dialing it up. You know, whether it's a three 309 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: two pitch with runners on and like the seventh inning, 310 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: or you're in the ninth and you haven't used him yet, 311 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 2: you know, you might as well burn him if you 312 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: got them. And then you know, sometimes the whole ball 313 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: is in the zone or or or out, and and 314 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: it becomes, you know, just kind of a pretty obvious. 315 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: But but I've seen more of that than I kind 316 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: of anticipated. And and you know, what it does mean 317 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: that if you're an umpire and you have a bad day, 318 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 2: you know it's gonna look worse because you're C. B. 319 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: Buckner out there having your strikes on challenge six or 320 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: eight times and having calls overturned. I mean, that can't 321 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: be comfortable for an umpire. So you know, it's probably 322 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: gonna lead to, you know, maybe a little more of 323 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: a light shine than the guys who aren't very good 324 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 2: at it. And and to be fair, most of the 325 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: umpires are really really good calls and strikes. I mean 326 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: they're they're kind of crazy good at it. But this 327 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: is a way to make it even better. And uh 328 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: so now I think that the like you said, the 329 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: entertainment value of it has been yeah, yeah, and it's 330 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: not a huge you know, not a huge waiting game 331 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: to figure out, you know what the ABS says. So yeah, 332 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: I think it's been an improvement on the whole. And 333 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure teams are going to continue to kind of 334 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: game plan for the situations when you want to use it, 335 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: when you don't. Who has the permissions, who doesn't, who's 336 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: got the green light who doesn't. Just like a base dealer, 337 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: right right, right, Some guys you trust, some guys you don't. 338 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, that'll be ongoing for every team. 339 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: There's one more thought on that. I saw a story 340 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: that they've had to they officially had to measure I guess, 341 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: every major leaguer to make sure they could get the 342 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: strikes on correct for the ABS system. And so there 343 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: was like a bunch of a bunch of players lost height. 344 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: Yep, they did. So that's because everyone's zone is the 345 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: same with right played obviously seventeen inches, but it's it's 346 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: a percentage of your height both the top and bottom 347 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: of the zone, like twenty something percent and fifty something percent. 348 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: So you know, jose L Twova's zone is bigger or 349 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: it's smaller, i should say, than Aaron Judge's zone. And 350 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: it is kind of funny the guy who is the 351 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: tallest in terms of the measurements and this they were 352 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: measured by multiple kind of groups, and they was oversight. 353 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: I mean, there was a whole lot of safeties put 354 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: in place to make sure players couldn't like slouch or 355 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: anything like what really measured him at different times of 356 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: the day, because yeah, so so you're discompressed or whatever. 357 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: But Bryce Eldridge is the tallest guy that they measured. 358 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: He's the there are pictures who are taller than him, 359 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: but in terms of hitters, he is the only guy 360 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: taller than Aaron Judge. He was very proud of that. 361 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. We gotta find out which giant lost 362 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the most height. We gotta find out that the voice 363 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: she hear covers the giants for the athletic bags. Thanks 364 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: for the time. We'll talk to you next week and 365 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: we'll see it at the ballpark this weekend. 366 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Thanks and awesome sounds good. Talk to you guys soon.