Gillian Bowen, Host: Hello, I'm Gillian Bowen, Public Affairs Manager at Chartered Accountants ANZ,
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Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: One of the models that's newer that is in in
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the new revamped course is the business model canvas
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: a way of looking at your practice and really deciding
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: which of my client segments that I really want to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: focus on and then tying that back to your value proposition.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: People from all around New Zealand. So they've been waiting
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: to register and come to this and the networking aspect,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: I mean, it's just it's awesome. Like it's so awesome
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: and I know we're biased.(laughing)
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Gillian Bowen, Host: podcast@charteredaccountantsanz.com Today we have two of our facilitators, teachers involved
Gillian Bowen, Host: in the Chartered Accountants ANZ Public Practice Program (PPP). The topic,
Gillian Bowen, Host: the recent revamp of the PPP. What's new? Why do it?
Gillian Bowen, Host: Why it matters? Kathryn Tarr and Jason Driscole, welcome to
Gillian Bowen, Host: Small Firm, Big Impact.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Fantastic to be here, Gillian.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Thank you for the invitation.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I said that I was going to run through your expertise,
Gillian Bowen, Host: but I've decided it's more efficient if you do it. Kathryn,
Gillian Bowen, Host: why don't you go first? What's your expertise?
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Well, Gillian. Well, I've had that just over 30 years
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: in public practice in Big Four and mid-tier firm, and
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: as of just just late last year, have resigned from
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: those positions. And I'm now out on my own for
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the first time. So I'm a tax practitioner, so my
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: trade is tax. But I've also done a lot of
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: facilitation and training for CA ANZ and other professional bodies over
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: over the years I've been involved was trying to work
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: it out for this, something like ten years in the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: public practice course, presenting various um, yeah, reruns of it.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: So fantastic to still be here and excited to be
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: talking about it.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Okay, brilliant. Jason, how about you?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: So I'm based in New Zealand, so regional New Zealand
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: and a little bit like Kath have been involved in
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: all iterations of - the old PAS program days. The old. What's
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: what we're calling now, the old Capstone program. And we've
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: got the new program and then also the public practice program. Um,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: for probably about 9 or 10 years in the public
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practice program and probably close to 20 years across different
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: workshops and marking and facilitation for Chartered Accountants ANZ. I'm
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: a partner at a business advisory practice in the Manawatu
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in New Zealand. So live and breathe some of the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: stresses and struggles and challenges that our members that are
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: going through the public practice program face when they come
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: into it. And so it's great to be able to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: leverage off and interact with those people because we also
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: pick up some great ideas about our own business as
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: we're going through it too.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Yeah, brilliant. Okay, so I've got the right brains here,
Gillian Bowen, Host: I think, to pick apart for this episode. Kathryn let's
Gillian Bowen, Host: just take a quick step back for those listening along,
Gillian Bowen, Host: if they may not know what the public practice program is,
Gillian Bowen, Host: what is the public practice program?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Okay. So the public practice program is. It's made up
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: of two components. It's got a digital learning program and
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: then it's got a two day workshop. So where we
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: get involved as facilitators in that two day workshop. And again,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: it's it's facilitators like us who have who are public practice, people, understand,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: as Jason said, the stresses of the world, but it's
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: really designed to ensure the success of our public practices.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: So it's a bit around protecting the CA ANZ's name and
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: branding and reputation, which helps us all. But it's ultimately
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: about empowering our practitioners to create those practices which really
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: run efficiently. They they're resilient, they're flexible for change, and
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: they operate also into the future. So the public practice
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: course I guess gives practitioners tools to to think about the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: future and how that impacts their practice. It thinks about
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: business models, it looks at networking with others so that
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: they can, you know, practitioners that come to the course
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: will bounce ideas off others and indeed work with others
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the same position to come up with some possible solutions.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Okay. Right. Jason. So who normally goes through the program?
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: I just want to touch on what Kath said. I
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: love that word empowering. I think that's, that's a brilliant word. And,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: and that, that is why we're here with this, with
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: this program so fundamentally and it's funny, we talk at
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the start of the session, we're like, oh so why
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: are you here? And you always get the cheeky while
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: I'm here because I have to be here because I
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: want to get my certificate of public practice. And yet
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: there is that regulatory aspect, like a lot of parts
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of chartered accountants, ANZ, you know, there's aspects where we
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: have to do certain things to get a certain either qualification, certificate, license,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: whatever it might be granted, Yeah, totally. But this session,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: so much more than that. And so not only is
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: it people who are going out in their own as, sole practitioners,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: so they're about to embark on that massive challenge and
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: set up their own practice, or maybe they're buying into
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: an existing business that, you know, could be a large
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: multinational firm or might be a smaller firm with with
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: 1 or 2 partners or somewhere in between. And then
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: also we do have the odd occasion. We have senior
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: leadership people coming through. And we have probably in the last,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: particularly the last few years seen firms get associates going
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: through the program, mainly because they're getting to the point
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: where maybe they're signing off sets of accounts and they
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: need to to make sure that that they are meeting
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: their requirements under that aspect. So generally speaking, we're talking
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: about partners, aspirational partners, sole practitioners or yeah, senior leadership
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: people and firms.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Kathryn Let's hone in on that then. And Jason mentioned
Gillian Bowen, Host: it there. We are talking to SMPs today. So why
Gillian Bowen, Host: would why should they be interested in this?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: I think think Gillian for me. And I think for
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: the feedback we get as well is that it gives
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: them a chance to over two days to really focus
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in on their business. Now, as a leader, principal or
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: a partner in practice, you generally don't have a lot
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: of time. Okay, so this course, if nothing else, gives
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: you two days to really focus on your business, your
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practice and how it's operating, what can you know, what
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: might need to change, what might need to change into
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: the future. But it gives you two days to focus
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: on it with the assistance of a whole bunch of
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: other practitioners and partners and principals. Yeah, great. So that
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: sharing of knowledge, Gillian, is absolutely key to some of
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: the takeaways being really strong.
Gillian Bowen, Host: So we've talked about then what it is in general,
Gillian Bowen, Host: why people do it. So the other reason why we're
Gillian Bowen, Host: talking about this now is that the PPP has had
Gillian Bowen, Host: a revamp. Jason What's that involved exactly?
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: It's funny you should say that. I was thinking about
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: this this morning of all times when I was brushing
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: my teeth. Actually.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I do a lot of my thinking in the shower.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I get it right? Totally.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: The bathroom is a great individual space where you get to
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: focus on what you're doing for the day. Um. It's not.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: It's we haven't we haven't taken a digger to the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: site and completely knocked it all over and cleared the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: whole section. All we've done is just done up the bathroom,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the kitchen, in the house. So fundamentally, the foundations
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: were there, they were strong. And all we've done is
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: improved a bit of the flow. And then, for want
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of a better word, just refreshed the content to get
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: it back up to where it needs to be for
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: current 2023. As Kath noted, this public practice programme has
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: been around for about 19 years or so and it
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: was written, you know, slightly prior to that. So some
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of the, some of the material and some of the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: date references we had even just a, you know, real
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: granular level, we're a little bit outdated. But then also
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: we've adopted some different thinking. We've we've leveraged off some
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of the great work that some of the public practitioners
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: have either seen in their groups or doing in their
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: own businesses. We've now adopted a little bit more content
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: that's a bit more contemporary and also just, I suppose,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: adjusted for where we are in life, you know, which
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: obviously had come along, that's changed the landscape massively. We
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: talk about in the programme about how it's turbocharged some
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of those changes and so we really just needed to
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: get it back up to date to where, you know,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: where businesses are are and how they're operating with their
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: with their teams and clients.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Kathryn, do you want to add on that? Yeah, yeah. Go.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Go for it.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Sorry. I was just going to. Yeah, exactly. Add to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: that that, you know, ask ourselves, you know, revamping the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: PPP and as I say, it didn't involve changing everything
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: but making some really beneficial changes. It's a bit like the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practitioners who are going to come to the public practice course,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: who have worked in a firm for, you know, ten,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: 15 years. Again, there's always time to sit back and say, well,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: what do we need to change? Okay. We have people
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: like that come into the practice or the course. We also have
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: our new principals who are starting off on their own.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: But this constant piece around revising what you're doing, you know,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: don't make it static. What can we change to improve?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: And I think that's what we're done with the public
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practice recently, and that's what practitioners should be thinking about
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: for their businesses as well.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And Kathryn, what I was going to ask and it's
Gillian Bowen, Host: touching on what Jason said in the sense of, you know,
Gillian Bowen, Host: making the content relevant. What are some, do you have
Gillian Bowen, Host: a couple of specific examples there for those listening along
Gillian Bowen, Host: that might want to go, well, what is it that
Gillian Bowen, Host: I'm going to learn this time around?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Yeah, okay. So lots!
Gillian Bowen, Host: How long is a piece of string?! Yeah, sorry. Yeah.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: I think one of the models that's newer that is
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the in in the new revamped course is the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: business model canvas, which you, you know, some practitioners may
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: already have heard of a way of looking at your
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practice and really deciding who are my, which of my
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: client segments that I really want to focus on. And
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: then tying that back to your value proposition and saying, well,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: what can I do? What am I doing now? What
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: can I be doing better in the future to really
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: meet the needs of those client segments? And then the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: business model canvas for those that know it then goes into, well,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: how does that affect your communication channels? How does that
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: affect the resources you need, the assets that you need,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: the partners that you might partner with in delivering, you know,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in running your practice, the cost structure, all of that.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: So it gives you a a visual model that you
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: can tweak your practices and say, well, if I change this,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: what what impact is it over here? And and that
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: is a really valuable model that we've got in there.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: We also look, Jason, I think it'd be fair to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: say we look if I described it as a bit
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: more wellbeing and positive mindset and psychological safety and some
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: of those bits around the team, but also for the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: practitioners themselves. So how, how are you looking after yourself
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: as you're running your practice and how are you looking
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: after your team members and some of the models and
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: theory and research that we talk about there is far
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: more perhaps modernised than what we had before.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Yeah, just sort of touching, I suppose, the psychological drivers,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: how you adapt or how you face changed. Are you
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: front footing change? Are you reactionary, Are you doing it
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: under pressure or are you doing it when you absolutely
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: have to? How do you deal with conflict? We've sort
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of updated the the conflict. Yeah. Managing aspects of the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: program as well, which is great. And it's yeah, like
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Kath said, a bit more contemporary and a bit it's
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: leveraging off more up to date and more modern either
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: models or things that people are probably either seeing or
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: hearing or doing already.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And look for those listening along going, well, where do
Gillian Bowen, Host: I get all this? I will be putting links to
Gillian Bowen, Host: where it is on our website so you can read
Gillian Bowen, Host: all about it in the show notes. This is just
Gillian Bowen, Host: a bit of a sprinkling to give you a taste
Gillian Bowen, Host: of what's going on so then you can go forth
Gillian Bowen, Host: and find the information that you need. And Jason, you've
Gillian Bowen, Host: been running this newer version in New Zealand. How's it? Going,
Gillian Bowen, Host: What's the feedback been like?
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: So we've undertaken one workshop virtually, and then also one
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: workshop face to face. So we do have the two
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: different offerings virtual and face to face. The virtual is
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: done over a two and a half day, but sort
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of two slightly bridged days. So same sort of timing.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: That's the big question. Obviously, virtual, as we know with
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the post-COVID era, virtual is great. It's convenient. It suits
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: people in regional and rural aspects of or areas of
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: New Zealand and Australia granted. Yeah.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Yeah. Gives them access.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: And you know, you can you can connect from home,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: work wherever is convenient for you, but the face to
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: face side of it I suppose as one aspect that
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: we do really enjoy and embrace and nurture and value
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: and that's something that we're trying to make sure that
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the virtual is as effective and as impactful as what
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the face to face is. And sure, the face to
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: face session that was run by one of my colleagues
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: up in Auckland last week, he had people from all
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: around New Zealand, so they've been waiting to register and
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: come to this. And the networking aspect, I mean, it's
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: just it's awesome. Like it's so awesome and I know
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: we're biased.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: This program.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Look, as long as you declare it, I argue no problem.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Well, I don't know.
Gillian Bowen, Host: It's good to be proud of your program.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: In New Zealand when I qualified and got my certificate of
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: public practice, I went to a large event at a hotel.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: All the people that were qualifying at that point in
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: time did it. It was very it was very rules
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: sort of based. We talked about some practical things that
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: you need to know about what you need to do
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: and your practice, how much share capital you needed to
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: have and P.I. insurance. So it was all very, you know,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: practical and that sort of part how to deal with
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: some ethical decisions and issues. And sure, there's the elements
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of that in this current program because we have to because,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: you know, people.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: They're important .
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: ... and we're part of a membership body that we
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: need to adhere to those rules. But it's, it's so
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: much more than that. We like Kath said, we focus
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the first day very much on the future, building a
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: practice that's going to be hit here both now and
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: into the future. How do we make you and your
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: team resilient? How do we look at what business models
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: are coming through and embracing those? But the second day
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: and look, we've got we've got technical training up the wazoo.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: If you want technical training on anything, you can find
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: it at Chartered Accountants ANZ, you can find it at another provider.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: That's great. But the second day is on those softer skills,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: the leadership skills, managing people internally. Externally. Yeah. And I
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: don't know whether we get much exposure to that and
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: to have an environment over two days with your peers, with,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: you know, highly successful people who are all there for
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: a common goal, the stuff that comes out of the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: session is just awesome. And like I said earlier, we
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: walk away going, Oh, that's such a great idea. I'm
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: going to do that in my own business afterwards. So yeah,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: it's just awesome.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Yeah.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: There's really a course that goes by, I think you
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: said it at the start, Jason, that we don't get
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: some benefit as facilitators as well. And just thinking about,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: you know, somebody had an idea that they said, which
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: was just like, Wow. And everyone stops and goes, Oh yeah,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: so simple. But why haven't we thought about that before?
Gillian Bowen, Host: Well there's a lot of power in collaboration.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Yeah, absolutely.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And Kathryn, here in Australia, I'm not going to to
Gillian Bowen, Host: make people feel bad. They don't live in Australia. So
Gillian Bowen, Host: let me rephrase that. Kathryn, You've just started to teach
Gillian Bowen, Host: the new program in Australia. How's it going?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Yes, we recently ran the first online offering of the
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: public practice course and it was terrific. But I think
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in talking to practitioners, you know, they were really engaging
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the new program. They seemed to enjoy the models
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: as a different way of thinking about it. So as
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: a facilitator, I felt that people were getting involved and
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: interested in the content. And again, it was an online piece,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: but as Jason said, we do the online pretty well.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: So again, there's networking opportunities, lots of use of breakout
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: rooms and those sorts of things. So you're working with
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: 4 or 5 others and we mix those groups up
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: so that the idea is that you're still meet everyone
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: in the in the session, which will be about 25
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: people over the course of the the five online sessions
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: over the two and a half days. So it was
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: it was terrific. Again, you know, we offer face to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: face as well and that'll be terrific. But equally as
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: beneficial for both if if you're a face to face person,
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: come to the face to face. If you're happy to
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: do it online, then online might be your option.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Yeah, that's good that there are option. I think that's
Gillian Bowen, Host: that's the key. The key point there, Jason, if you
Gillian Bowen, Host: want to get if people are listening along to this
Gillian Bowen, Host: and they want to get involved or they know a
Gillian Bowen, Host: member who should or a colleague, what's the next step
Gillian Bowen, Host: for them? From your side of the ditch, as people
Gillian Bowen, Host: like to say. And then I'll get Kathryn to answer
Gillian Bowen, Host: the same thing.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Well, from my understanding everything's pretty similar on both sides
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: of the ditches. Um, so members, when they when they
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: log in, can go through the process where they register,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: they gain access to the material. Like Kath said earlier on,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: there is some essentially like pre-work to the workshop. So
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: there's the modules that they go through beforehand and work
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: through and that just really sets the platform up so
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: that then when we are coming together over either the
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: two days face to face or the two and a
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: half days virtually, we are all on the same level.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: We've all done the pre-work and we can then leverage
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: off that to maximize our time together to really, I suppose,
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: maximize the outcomes and the networking opportunities that exist.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Kathryn, anything you'd like to add?
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: No, no. Simply follow your
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: links on the CA ANZ site and that'll get you through
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: to registering it etcetera and encourage you to do so.
Gillian Bowen, Host: That is all we have time for. If you want
Gillian Bowen, Host: to find out more about the public practice program and
Gillian Bowen, Host: learn from Jason and Kathryn, I'll put a link from
Gillian Bowen, Host: our website in the show notes. Follow the pod in
Gillian Bowen, Host: your favorite pod app or you can check out the
Gillian Bowen, Host: show's page on the Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand website.
Gillian Bowen, Host: The podcast has an email, so feel free to get
Gillian Bowen, Host: in touch. Podcast@charteredaccountantsanz.com Let's start a conversation. Thank you Kathryn Tarr
Gillian Bowen, Host: and Jason Driscole for being my experts on Small Firm,
Gillian Bowen, Host: Big Impact.
Kathryn Tarr CA, Public Practice Program Facilitator: Thanks. Thanks Gillian.
Jason Driscole CA , Public Practice Program Facilitator: Thank you so much. Cheers.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Bye bye.