Gillian Bowen, Host: Hello, my name is Gillian Bowen. This is Small Firm,
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Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: The graduates are often, they have a deeper level of
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: expertise and a broader perspective to their roles. So they've
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: gone through this rigorous training and their exams, and they
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: tend to have a stronger grasp of the complex financial concepts.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: An enhanced level of research skills, the rounded educational piece
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: that graduates come out of with a with a finished
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: skill set, which is, uh, broader and, um, helps them
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: deal with the multitude of, um, business issues that come
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: up day to day.
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Gillian Bowen, Host: podcast app. Let's start a conversation. Today we have Erinn Stanley CA,
Gillian Bowen, Host: a Manager at William Buck, which is one of Australia's
Gillian Bowen, Host: largest mid-tier accounting firms, and Justin Enright CA, Managing Partner
Gillian Bowen, Host: at Morse Group. The topic: the benefits of getting your
Gillian Bowen, Host: employees to do the CA Program. Erinn and Justin, welcome to
Gillian Bowen, Host: the podcast.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Hello. Great to be here.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Morning, Erinn. Thanks and wonderful to be here as well.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Thank you.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Look, Erinn, I'll go to you first. What do you
Gillian Bowen, Host: love about being a Chartered Accountant?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Well, for me it's the variety. No two days are
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: the same. One day I might be, you know, working
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: on a start up tech company with their cash flow.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: And the next I might be solving a complex tax
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: problem for a large scale business. So that's what I
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: really like, the variety. There's also a real sense of
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: pride in knowing I'm helping businesses with their financial decisions.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Okay, Justin, what about you?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Uh, not dissimilar to, uh, Erinn. A lot of the variety. Um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it's also a lot about the relationships, relationships you develop
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: with clients over time. Uh, with colleagues and team members. Yeah,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it's a big part of it as well.
Gillian Bowen, Host: So what made you then, Justin, decide that becoming a
Gillian Bowen, Host: CA in particular was important to you?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh, a natural progression in a way. Um, I mean, it's, um, the, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: first step in career development after, um, graduating from, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: an undergraduate degree and, uh, it's a cornerstone to, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: stepping forward in your career.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Erinn, what about you in particular about the CA designation?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Yeah. Honestly, I kind of fell into it. So, um
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: I always knew I wanted to be some sort of professional,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: but at uni doing my accounting subjects all sort of
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: started clicking and I thought, yep, this is for me.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: And then I thought, okay, well where can I go
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: from here? I'll join a CA practice. And there, seeing
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: my Managers and my Directors and Partners advising clients I thought, yeah,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: this is for me. I need to I need to
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: start my studies and become a Chartered Accountant.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Okay, I like that. I like that it's seeing the
Gillian Bowen, Host: path that was available, seeing a path that was one
Gillian Bowen, Host: that really resonated with you. So now, if I want
Gillian Bowen, Host: you both to think about the people that you work with,
Gillian Bowen, Host: the employees that are at your businesses, at your practices,
Gillian Bowen, Host: and that they are following in your footsteps, so to speak. Um, Justin,
Gillian Bowen, Host: why is it important for you to put your employees
Gillian Bowen, Host: through the CA Program?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh, it's important for a variety of reasons. Um, I
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: guess first of all, um, it's got the reputation in
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the marketplace. It's the, uh brand, um, uh, awareness. It's
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: about the Program itself being such a rigorous program. Uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it's all about, um, consistency. So, um, in all of
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: our team members, if, um, they know that they'll be, um, all, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: progressing through that Program, then, um, it keeps our, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: our DNA, if you like, um, all consistent in that
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: regard as well. Um, it's also about giving, um, our
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: team members opportunity to network with their peers, uh, broaden
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: their exposure and, um, and just, uh, raise their awareness,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: I guess, generally speaking, as well.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mmh, Erinn, is there anything you'd like to add to that?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Yeah. So as a larger mid-tier, there is a requirement
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: for the majority of our graduates to actually complete their
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: CA studies as part of their career progression. Um, and
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: what we see is that we're investing in the team
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: and showing them that we're committed to their professional growth.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm, mhm.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And in your view then Erinn as well, thinking about, um,
Gillian Bowen, Host: those that go through the CA Program in particular, how
Gillian Bowen, Host: do the graduates compare to employees who haven't completed the Program,
Gillian Bowen, Host: for example?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Uh, from my perspectives, the graduates are often, they have
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: a deeper level of expertise and a broader perspective to
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: their roles. So they've gone through this rigorous training and
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: their exams, and they tend to have a stronger grasp
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: of the complex financial concepts.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm. Yeah. Justin, what do you think about that?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Uh, the the main headline items that come to my
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: mind are around, um, uh, an enhanced level of research skills. Uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the rounded educational piece that, um, uh, that, uh, graduates
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: come out of with a, with a finished skill set,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: which is, uh, broader and, um, helps them deal with
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the multitude of, um, business issues that come up day
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: to day.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Um, and just, just thinking that on the ground, is
Gillian Bowen, Host: there any discussion at all, um, where people are thinking, oh,
Gillian Bowen, Host: I don't know if I do the CA Program, or if
Gillian Bowen, Host: I do something else. Or is it clear that to them, um,
Gillian Bowen, Host: or or to what you as an employer are saying
Gillian Bowen, Host: to your employees? This is the Program to do?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Um, yeah. It's clear to them, uh, in in the outset, it's, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it's part of the fabric of our of our firm. So, um, uh, there's, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: there's no doubt about that, that, um, their progression is
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: built around, um, uh, passing through the CA Program.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Um, so thinking then, Erinn, for your firm, um, and
Gillian Bowen, Host: Justin had touched on some of these already, some of
Gillian Bowen, Host: the skills that the graduates bring to your work life.
Gillian Bowen, Host: What are some of those?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Uh, absolutely. So, um, in terms of their technical expertise
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: and their ability to work closely with clients, it definitely
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: enhances that. Um, but it also gives them a more
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: rounded knowledge in terms of, um, the breadth of their
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: experience and also, um, their ability to inform us what's
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: going on in the marketplace, what are they learning about
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: in their studies? And they bring back ideas all the
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: time in terms of internal processes or ways we can
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: be doing things better.
Gillian Bowen, Host: So that sounds like it's it's good for the future
Gillian Bowen, Host: of your business or the future of your of the
Gillian Bowen, Host: firm you work for.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Absolutely. Yeah. We're very future focused. And that growth and
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: enhancement of our employees is very important. And that's what
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: the CA is providing.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Justin, anything you'd like to add from that perspective on
Gillian Bowen, Host: the sorts of skills that the graduates are bringing into
Gillian Bowen, Host: your workplace?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Well, um, it's those that we've just talked about. It's
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: also about um, uh, at that point in their career,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it um, teaches graduates, uh, a lot about self organization
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: and time management, um, uh, which are, um, lifelong skills
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: that help people, um, in their professional, um, uh, life and, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: ongoing development. Um, it's also about the, it reinforces to
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the graduates the emphasis on continuous learning. Uh, so, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: that learning aspect is, is lifelong. It doesn't just stop when, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: they complete the CA Program. Um, uh, it also, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it also keeps within the organization, um, uh, a currency
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: of knowledge base, if you like, of, of people coming
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: straight out of the, um, uh, the, the learning curve
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: of the CA Program. Um, and, uh, it leaves them
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: with a broad problem solving capability as well.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mmh, that sounds very, very valuable, value that goes beyond
Gillian Bowen, Host: just having, um, you know, the value that it brings,
Gillian Bowen, Host: the candidate itself, the value then extends further into your business.
Gillian Bowen, Host: All right. So let's move on. Um, I'm thinking about then,
Gillian Bowen, Host: you know, to employers that are listening along right now, uh,
Gillian Bowen, Host: who may be on the fence about what offering their
Gillian Bowen, Host: employee should do, uh, and might be thinking, gosh, does
Gillian Bowen, Host: it really matter? Um, Erinn, what's your thoughts on that?
Gillian Bowen, Host: What would you say?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: I think absolutely it matters. The choice you make is
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: essential to your business, what kind of staff you're attracting,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: how your clients feel about your firm, and the CA is
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: seen as the premium choice in terms of furthering your accounting studies.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: I think it's widely known that when you undertake your
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: CA studies, that you're going to have a really deep
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: technical knowledge. And I think the reputation that that provides
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: is invaluable.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Justin, what do you want to add.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh I put that question actually to one of our
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: um our, our team members currently in the Program. Um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: their response to me was that the, um, uh, those,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: those people that have been through or um, or in
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the midst of the CA Program, uh, that um, uh, the,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the standards, um, it delivers, um, graduates with, with high standards, uh. That, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: have that, um, that, uh, imprint in them, if you like, of, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: of the, uh, of the standards required of being a CA, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: professional standards, continuous development, all those sorts of things in
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the mix. Um, that that was what, uh, their, their
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: iteration was to me about why we should be putting
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: people through the CA Program.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mmh, did they talk about any challenges?.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh, sure. Um, I guess, uh, there's obviously plenty of challenges.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: And and if there weren't the, um, the, uh, the
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: reputation of the Program would not be there, would it? Um, but, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: from where I stand, the sorts of challenges I see, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: haven't typically changed over time. Coming from a regional environment, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: there were, um, historical challenges of being having that remoteness,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: if you like. But obviously that's overcome with technology these days. Um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: and uh, challenges, of course, are just in the pure
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: rigor of the Program itself.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm, mhm. So yes, that's right. The CA Program itself has had
Gillian Bowen, Host: an overhaul in recent times that have brought it more
Gillian Bowen, Host: into what it is that graduates and students expect from
Gillian Bowen, Host: a course. And you're right. Digital access and all that
Gillian Bowen, Host: sort of stuff has really made a difference. Been quite
Gillian Bowen, Host: a game changer in that aspect. That's a very good point.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Thank you for pointing that out. Erinn, what are you seeing on
Gillian Bowen, Host: the ground from where you're at for the challenges that, um,
Gillian Bowen, Host: candidates may experience with the CA Program and then the
Gillian Bowen, Host: sort of support that's around to help them?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: I mean, undertaking the CA studies has always been challenging, um,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: even with the change in the Program. Um, and I
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: think that the largest, um, challenge for, for the people
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: going through are is the investment of time. So they're
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: balancing their home life, they're balancing work life, and then
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: they're balancing their studies. Um, so for us, I guess
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: the main thing we've tried to encourage is that the
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: team and this is a benefit, I guess, of being
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: in a mid-tier firm, is that there are a number
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: of staff going through the CA Program at the same time,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: so we encourage them to get together, to share ideas,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: to share knowledge, to sort of lean on each other
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: and help them through managing, managing all of those demands
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: on their time.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And I guess as an employer, how much, um, you're
Gillian Bowen, Host: aware,so there's understanding. Am I right from what is expected
Gillian Bowen, Host: of them as, as an employee while they're going through
Gillian Bowen, Host: this Program?
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Yeah, absolutely. So they're expected to perform just like any other, um,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: team member. So they still have their KPIs. They still have, um,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: the normal turnaround in terms of work. Um, and it
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: is expected that they are studying in their spare time
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: and after work and on the weekend. Um, but we're
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: here to facilitate any way that we can make their
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: life a little bit easier, whether that's helping them through
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: mentoring programs or through providing spaces where they can get
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: together in a study group.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Justin, what sort of, um, that's an interesting point, is there?
Gillian Bowen, Host: Do you offer the same sort of, um, guidance or
Gillian Bowen, Host: support to to people who do the CA Program through you?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Um, uh, there's, um, uh, no different
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: to anywhere else. We have people that have either, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: recently graduated or are, uh, part way through or have, um, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: graduated some time ago, like myself. So, um, uh, that's
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: all part of the collegiality, I guess, of the, of
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: the CA Program that, um, if you've got people that have, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: all passed through that before and after, then they can
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: share their war stories and, um, and, uh, tool people
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: up with, um, how best to navigate and, um, and
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: pass through the CA Program. So, um, uh, it's all those, um, it's, uh, sure.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: It's about those structured groups but it's also about those
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: water cooler conversations as well that are so important.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm, Mhm. No that's a very good point. Look we're out of
Gillian Bowen, Host: time and I think that we should wrap up now
Gillian Bowen, Host: that we've given quite a good overview on what it
Gillian Bowen, Host: is that the CA Program does for your business when
Gillian Bowen, Host: your employees go through it. But a final thought, Erinn,
Gillian Bowen, Host: kind of bringing everything together.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Yeah, absolutely. So for starters, they're going to get a
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: great sense of pride in what they've accomplished. And and
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: also that they feel like they're giving back to their firm. Um,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: for us, their technical expertise is greatly enhanced. And and
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: so is their ability to, to deal with clients. Um,
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: it also means that they're sort of progressing through their
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: accounting career, and they're looking to grow and to move
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: into those more senior roles, which for us is as
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: a business is exactly what we're after
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm. Justin, what would you add?
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: Oh look, uh, in addition to those um, those words,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: it's along the lines of um, uh, the common themes
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: have been around um, uh, career development etc., but, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: what's marvelous for someone like me to see is, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: to see those see, uh, team members, uh, employees passing
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: through the CA Program, coming back to the workplace and
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: implementing their knowledge, um, because they've been able to, um, in,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: in the course of the Program, uh, apply their technical
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: learnings to, um, case studies and scenarios, etc.. Uh, they
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: can bring them back and, um, challenge their colleagues in,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: in the workplace, on, um, on different items and equally extract, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: a greater level of engagement for themselves in their, in
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: their career. Um, and um, then in the roll up,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: I guess, um, as we're supporting them, it deepens the
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: engagement that, um, they have with us as an employer and, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: in a, in a tight labour market. Well, that only, um,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: is a good thing if, um, if you can, uh,
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: weld on team members on and retain them over time by
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: providing that that fabric or environment that that helps them
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: keep developing.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I love that. Weld on. And look, the vibe I'm getting there from
Gillian Bowen, Host: both of you is that the graduates are work ready,
Gillian Bowen, Host: and that it's a vital resource for any Accountant that's
Gillian Bowen, Host: looking to make an impact in, you know, their personal experience,
Gillian Bowen, Host: but also their work experience. So we've given you a
Gillian Bowen, Host: taste today of what it's like to have your employees
Gillian Bowen, Host: do the CA Program and how it benefits your business.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Now the CA Program is TEQSA accredited, which means that
Gillian Bowen, Host: the educational quality of the CA Program meets the Australian
Gillian Bowen, Host: Higher Education Standards. Now, we already know, as we've discussed,
Gillian Bowen, Host: that CA Program graduates develop the capabilities they need to
Gillian Bowen, Host: be work ready, as well as having the skills for
Gillian Bowen, Host: what your business needs in the future. And what we've
Gillian Bowen, Host: heard here today is that CA Program graduates make an
Gillian Bowen, Host: impact and that when you support your graduates through the
Gillian Bowen, Host: CA Program, you're actually empowering them with the technical skills
Gillian Bowen, Host: that both Erinn and Justin have talked about, but also the
Gillian Bowen, Host: soft skills to contribute to your company's success both now
Gillian Bowen, Host: and down the track. You can find more information about
Gillian Bowen, Host: the CA Program on our website. I will make sure
Gillian Bowen, Host: I put a link to that in the show notes
Gillian Bowen, Host: and in the other relevant CA Program resources so they're easy to find.
Gillian Bowen, Host: That is all we have time for. There's lots of
Gillian Bowen, Host: other great episodes from this podcast series that are worth
Gillian Bowen, Host: listening to. They're in the app if that's where you're
Gillian Bowen, Host: listening right now or they're available on our website, I'll
Gillian Bowen, Host: put a link to that as well so it's easy
Gillian Bowen, Host: to find. And if you want to get in touch,
Gillian Bowen, Host: email us podcast@charteredaccountantsanz.com and follow the pod in your favourite
Gillian Bowen, Host: podcast app. Let's start a conversation. Thank you Erinn and Justin
Gillian Bowen, Host: for being my guests on the podcast today.
Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck: Thanks, Gill. Great to be here.
Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group: My pleasure Gill, thanks for having me today.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Bye bye.