WEBVTT - The benefits of your employees doing the CA Program

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Hello, my name is Gillian Bowen. This is Small Firm,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Big Impact.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>The graduates are often, they have a deeper level of

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>expertise and a broader perspective to their roles. So they've

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>gone through this rigorous training and their exams, and they

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>tend to have a stronger grasp of the complex financial concepts.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>An enhanced level of research skills, the rounded educational piece

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>that graduates come out of with a with a finished

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>skill set, which is, uh, broader and, um, helps them

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>deal with the multitude of, um, business issues that come

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>up day to day.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>It's the podcast giving Chartered Accountants the up to date

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>podcast app. Let's start a conversation. Today we have Erinn Stanley CA,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>a Manager at William Buck, which is one of Australia's

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>largest mid-tier accounting firms, and Justin Enright CA, Managing Partner

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>at Morse Group. The topic: the benefits of getting your

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>employees to do the CA Program. Erinn and Justin, welcome to

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the podcast.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Hello. Great to be here.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Morning, Erinn. Thanks and wonderful to be here as well.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Thank you.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Look, Erinn, I'll go to you first. What do you

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>love about being a Chartered Accountant?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Well, for me it's the variety. No two days are

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>the same. One day I might be, you know, working

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>on a start up tech company with their cash flow.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>And the next I might be solving a complex tax

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>problem for a large scale business. So that's what I

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>really like, the variety. There's also a real sense of

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>pride in knowing I'm helping businesses with their financial decisions.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Okay, Justin, what about you?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Uh, not dissimilar to, uh, Erinn. A lot of the variety. Um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it's also a lot about the relationships, relationships you develop

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>with clients over time. Uh, with colleagues and team members. Yeah,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it's a big part of it as well.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>So what made you then, Justin, decide that becoming a

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>CA in particular was important to you?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh, a natural progression in a way. Um, I mean, it's, um, the, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>first step in career development after, um, graduating from, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>an undergraduate degree and, uh, it's a cornerstone to, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>stepping forward in your career.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Erinn, what about you in particular about the CA designation?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Yeah. Honestly, I kind of fell into it. So, um

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>I always knew I wanted to be some sort of professional,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>but at uni doing my accounting subjects all sort of

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>started clicking and I thought, yep, this is for me.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>And then I thought, okay, well where can I go

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>from here? I'll join a CA practice. And there, seeing

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>my Managers and my Directors and Partners advising clients I thought, yeah,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>this is for me. I need to I need to

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>start my studies and become a Chartered Accountant.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Okay, I like that. I like that it's seeing the

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>path that was available, seeing a path that was one

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>that really resonated with you. So now, if I want

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>you both to think about the people that you work with,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the employees that are at your businesses, at your practices,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>and that they are following in your footsteps, so to speak. Um, Justin,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>why is it important for you to put your employees

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>through the CA Program?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh, it's important for a variety of reasons. Um, I

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>guess first of all, um, it's got the reputation in

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the marketplace. It's the, uh brand, um, uh, awareness. It's

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>about the Program itself being such a rigorous program. Uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it's all about, um, consistency. So, um, in all of

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>our team members, if, um, they know that they'll be, um, all, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>progressing through that Program, then, um, it keeps our, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>our DNA, if you like, um, all consistent in that

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>regard as well. Um, it's also about giving, um, our

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>team members opportunity to network with their peers, uh, broaden

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>their exposure and, um, and just, uh, raise their awareness,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>I guess, generally speaking, as well.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mmh, Erinn, is there anything you'd like to add to that?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Yeah. So as a larger mid-tier, there is a requirement

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>for the majority of our graduates to actually complete their

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>CA studies as part of their career progression. Um, and

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>what we see is that we're investing in the team

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>and showing them that we're committed to their professional growth.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm, mhm.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>And in your view then Erinn as well, thinking about, um,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>those that go through the CA Program in particular, how

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>do the graduates compare to employees who haven't completed the Program,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>for example?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Uh, from my perspectives, the graduates are often, they have

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>a deeper level of expertise and a broader perspective to

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>their roles. So they've gone through this rigorous training and

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>their exams, and they tend to have a stronger grasp

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>of the complex financial concepts.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm. Yeah. Justin, what do you think about that?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Uh, the the main headline items that come to my

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>mind are around, um, uh, an enhanced level of research skills. Uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the rounded educational piece that, um, uh, that, uh, graduates

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>come out of with a, with a finished skill set,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>which is, uh, broader and, um, helps them deal with

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the multitude of, um, business issues that come up day

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>to day.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Um, and just, just thinking that on the ground, is

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>there any discussion at all, um, where people are thinking, oh,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>I don't know if I do the CA Program, or if

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>I do something else. Or is it clear that to them, um,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>or or to what you as an employer are saying

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>to your employees? This is the Program to do?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Um, yeah. It's clear to them, uh, in in the outset, it's, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it's part of the fabric of our of our firm. So, um, uh, there's, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>there's no doubt about that, that, um, their progression is

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>built around, um, uh, passing through the CA Program.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Um, so thinking then, Erinn, for your firm, um, and

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Justin had touched on some of these already, some of

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the skills that the graduates bring to your work life.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>What are some of those?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Uh, absolutely. So, um, in terms of their technical expertise

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>and their ability to work closely with clients, it definitely

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>enhances that. Um, but it also gives them a more

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>rounded knowledge in terms of, um, the breadth of their

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>experience and also, um, their ability to inform us what's

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>going on in the marketplace, what are they learning about

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>in their studies? And they bring back ideas all the

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>time in terms of internal processes or ways we can

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>be doing things better.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>So that sounds like it's it's good for the future

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>of your business or the future of your of the

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>firm you work for.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Absolutely. Yeah. We're very future focused. And that growth and

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>enhancement of our employees is very important. And that's what

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>the CA is providing.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Justin, anything you'd like to add from that perspective on

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the sorts of skills that the graduates are bringing into

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>your workplace?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Well, um, it's those that we've just talked about. It's

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>also about um, uh, at that point in their career,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it um, teaches graduates, uh, a lot about self organization

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>and time management, um, uh, which are, um, lifelong skills

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>that help people, um, in their professional, um, uh, life and, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>ongoing development. Um, it's also about the, it reinforces to

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the graduates the emphasis on continuous learning. Uh, so, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>that learning aspect is, is lifelong. It doesn't just stop when, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>they complete the CA Program. Um, uh, it also, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it also keeps within the organization, um, uh, a currency

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>of knowledge base, if you like, of, of people coming

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>straight out of the, um, uh, the, the learning curve

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>of the CA Program. Um, and, uh, it leaves them

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>with a broad problem solving capability as well.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mmh, that sounds very, very valuable, value that goes beyond

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>just having, um, you know, the value that it brings,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the candidate itself, the value then extends further into your business.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>All right. So let's move on. Um, I'm thinking about then,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>you know, to employers that are listening along right now, uh,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>who may be on the fence about what offering their

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>employee should do, uh, and might be thinking, gosh, does

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>it really matter? Um, Erinn, what's your thoughts on that?

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>What would you say?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>I think absolutely it matters. The choice you make is

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>essential to your business, what kind of staff you're attracting,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>how your clients feel about your firm, and the CA is

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>seen as the premium choice in terms of furthering your accounting studies.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>I think it's widely known that when you undertake your

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>CA studies, that you're going to have a really deep

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>technical knowledge. And I think the reputation that that provides

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>is invaluable.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Justin, what do you want to add.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh I put that question actually to one of our

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>um our, our team members currently in the Program. Um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>their response to me was that the, um, uh, those,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>those people that have been through or um, or in

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the midst of the CA Program, uh, that um, uh, the,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the standards, um, it delivers, um, graduates with, with high standards, uh. That, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>have that, um, that, uh, imprint in them, if you like, of, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>of the, uh, of the standards required of being a CA, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>professional standards, continuous development, all those sorts of things in

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the mix. Um, that that was what, uh, their, their

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>iteration was to me about why we should be putting

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>people through the CA Program.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mmh, did they talk about any challenges?.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh, sure. Um, I guess, uh, there's obviously plenty of challenges.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>And and if there weren't the, um, the, uh, the

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>reputation of the Program would not be there, would it? Um, but, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>from where I stand, the sorts of challenges I see, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>haven't typically changed over time. Coming from a regional environment, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>there were, um, historical challenges of being having that remoteness,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>if you like. But obviously that's overcome with technology these days. Um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>and uh, challenges, of course, are just in the pure

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>rigor of the Program itself.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm, mhm. So yes, that's right. The CA Program itself has had

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>an overhaul in recent times that have brought it more

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>into what it is that graduates and students expect from

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>a course. And you're right. Digital access and all that

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>sort of stuff has really made a difference. Been quite

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>a game changer in that aspect. That's a very good point.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Thank you for pointing that out. Erinn, what are you seeing on

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the ground from where you're at for the challenges that, um,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>candidates may experience with the CA Program and then the

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>sort of support that's around to help them?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>I mean, undertaking the CA studies has always been challenging, um,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>even with the change in the Program. Um, and I

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>think that the largest, um, challenge for, for the people

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>going through are is the investment of time. So they're

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>balancing their home life, they're balancing work life, and then

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>they're balancing their studies. Um, so for us, I guess

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>the main thing we've tried to encourage is that the

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>team and this is a benefit, I guess, of being

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>in a mid-tier firm, is that there are a number

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>of staff going through the CA Program at the same time,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>so we encourage them to get together, to share ideas,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>to share knowledge, to sort of lean on each other

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>and help them through managing, managing all of those demands

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>on their time.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>And I guess as an employer, how much, um, you're

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>aware,so there's understanding. Am I right from what is expected

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>of them as, as an employee while they're going through

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>this Program?

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Yeah, absolutely. So they're expected to perform just like any other, um,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>team member. So they still have their KPIs. They still have, um,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>the normal turnaround in terms of work. Um, and it

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>is expected that they are studying in their spare time

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>and after work and on the weekend. Um, but we're

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>here to facilitate any way that we can make their

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>life a little bit easier, whether that's helping them through

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>mentoring programs or through providing spaces where they can get

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>together in a study group.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Justin, what sort of, um, that's an interesting point, is there?

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Do you offer the same sort of, um, guidance or

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>support to to people who do the CA Program through you?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Um, uh, there's, um, uh, no different

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>to anywhere else. We have people that have either, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>recently graduated or are, uh, part way through or have, um, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>graduated some time ago, like myself. So, um, uh, that's

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>all part of the collegiality, I guess, of the, of

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>the CA Program that, um, if you've got people that have, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>all passed through that before and after, then they can

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>share their war stories and, um, and, uh, tool people

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>up with, um, how best to navigate and, um, and

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>pass through the CA Program. So, um, uh, it's all those, um, it's, uh, sure.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>It's about those structured groups but it's also about those

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>water cooler conversations as well that are so important.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm, Mhm. No that's a very good point. Look we're out of

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>time and I think that we should wrap up now

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>that we've given quite a good overview on what it

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>is that the CA Program does for your business when

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>your employees go through it. But a final thought, Erinn,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>kind of bringing everything together.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Yeah, absolutely. So for starters, they're going to get a

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>great sense of pride in what they've accomplished. And and

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>also that they feel like they're giving back to their firm. Um,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>for us, their technical expertise is greatly enhanced. And and

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>so is their ability to, to deal with clients. Um,

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>it also means that they're sort of progressing through their

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>accounting career, and they're looking to grow and to move

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>into those more senior roles, which for us is as

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>a business is exactly what we're after

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Mhm. Justin, what would you add?

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>Oh look, uh, in addition to those um, those words,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>it's along the lines of um, uh, the common themes

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>have been around um, uh, career development etc., but, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>what's marvelous for someone like me to see is, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>to see those see, uh, team members, uh, employees passing

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>through the CA Program, coming back to the workplace and

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>implementing their knowledge, um, because they've been able to, um, in,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>in the course of the Program, uh, apply their technical

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>learnings to, um, case studies and scenarios, etc.. Uh, they

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>can bring them back and, um, challenge their colleagues in,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>in the workplace, on, um, on different items and equally extract, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>a greater level of engagement for themselves in their, in

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>their career. Um, and um, then in the roll up,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>I guess, um, as we're supporting them, it deepens the

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>engagement that, um, they have with us as an employer and, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>in a, in a tight labour market. Well, that only, um,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>is a good thing if, um, if you can, uh,

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>weld on team members on and retain them over time by

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>providing that that fabric or environment that that helps them

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>keep developing.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>I love that. Weld on. And look, the vibe I'm getting there from

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>both of you is that the graduates are work ready,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>and that it's a vital resource for any Accountant that's

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>looking to make an impact in, you know, their personal experience,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>but also their work experience. So we've given you a

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>taste today of what it's like to have your employees

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>do the CA Program and how it benefits your business.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Now the CA Program is TEQSA accredited, which means that

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the educational quality of the CA Program meets the Australian

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Higher Education Standards. Now, we already know, as we've discussed,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>that CA Program graduates develop the capabilities they need to

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>be work ready, as well as having the skills for

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>what your business needs in the future. And what we've

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>heard here today is that CA Program graduates make an

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>impact and that when you support your graduates through the

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>CA Program, you're actually empowering them with the technical skills

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>that both Erinn and Justin have talked about, but also the

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>soft skills to contribute to your company's success both now

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>and down the track. You can find more information about

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>the CA Program on our website. I will make sure

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>I put a link to that in the show notes

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>and in the other relevant CA Program resources so they're easy to find.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>That is all we have time for. There's lots of

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>other great episodes from this podcast series that are worth

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>listening to. They're in the app if that's where you're

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>listening right now or they're available on our website, I'll

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>put a link to that as well so it's easy

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>to find. And if you want to get in touch,

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>email us podcast@charteredaccountantsanz.com and follow the pod in your favourite

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>podcast app. Let's start a conversation. Thank you Erinn and Justin

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>for being my guests on the podcast today.

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<v Erinn Stanley CA, manager William Buck>Thanks, Gill. Great to be here.

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<v Justin Enright CA, managing partner, Morse Group>My pleasure Gill, thanks for having me today.

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<v Gillian Bowen, Host>Bye bye.