Gillian Bowen, Host: Hello, my name is Gillian Bowen and this is Small Firm,
Gillian Bowen, Host: Big Impact.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: The importance of trying to set a very robust and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: good culture and governance within the firms so as to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: avoid that unethical behaviours, get a space there and may
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: flourish there because the right instruments and the right tools
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and the right culture is not in place.
Gillian Bowen, Host: It's the podcast giving Chartered Accountants the up to date
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Gillian Bowen, Host: podcast app. Let's start a conversation. Today we have Gabriela
Gillian Bowen, Host: Figueiredo Dias, the Chair of the International Ethics Standards Board
Gillian Bowen, Host: for Accountants, or IESBA, as it's known. She's in the
Gillian Bowen, Host: studio with me at CA ANZ's headquarters. The topic: why she's
Gillian Bowen, Host: in Australia, IESBA's focus for the next few years and
Gillian Bowen, Host: how it will impact you. Gabriela, welcome to Small Firm,
Gillian Bowen, Host: Big Impact.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Thank you very much, Gillian. It's a pleasure to be here.
Gillian Bowen, Host: For a quick refresher for our listeners, I thought it
Gillian Bowen, Host: would be good for you to explain what is IESBA
Gillian Bowen, Host: and how IESBA and say, the Australian and New Zealand,
Gillian Bowen, Host: because we have listeners in New Zealand as well, how
Gillian Bowen, Host: the Australian and New Zealand ethics boards for accountants are
Gillian Bowen, Host: all connected. How how does it all come together?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, the IESBA is the International Ethics Standards Board for Accountants.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: It's a global board. It's a global ethics standard setter.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: And of course it connects and relates with all the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: local uh, standard setters and professional organizations. This is a
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: standard setter which sets standards for accountants, even if more
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: recently we have been exploring the possibility of extending the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: application of the standards to other professionals. But typically this
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: has been a board developing standards for accountants. And so
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: all these organizations in Australia, like in any other countries,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: are very close work, very close with IESBA, but in many,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: by many means, these kind of opportunities that we are
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: having now, we have a national standard setters group with
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: whom we meet very regularly. Uh, we also speak with a,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: with a, with a these organizations as necessary. They relate
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: with us by responding to our public consultations. So there
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is a very close relationship.
Gillian Bowen, Host: So what's the purpose of your visit now and the
Gillian Bowen, Host: purpose of the visit to Australia?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, Gillian, outreach is fundamental for what we do. We
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: are a global standard setter again. So we need to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: understand what's happening in the jurisdictions, how stakeholders and the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: profession in particular feels about a lot of issues and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and topics and our work. But very recently we have
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: exposed a proposal for sustainability standards. We have published, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the new ethics standards for tax planning, and we are
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: initiating a new work on firm culture and governance. And
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: this made us feel that it was the right time
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to come to Australia. I'm going to other jurisdictions, but
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: this one was a topical. Yeah. It was the right
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: time to come here and speak with stakeholders. I'm speaking with, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the profession, professional organizations, uh, regulators, different regulators. Uh, so
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: it's it's an incredible time here. A busy time, very
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: busy time, very packed agenda. Exhausting, I must say, but, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: but very fruitful so far.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Yes, that's right. It's a really good opportunity, as you said,
Gillian Bowen, Host: for people to be able to talk to you as
Gillian Bowen, Host: well as you talking to them. So on that there's
Gillian Bowen, Host: a lot to unpack there. And obviously the listeners of
Gillian Bowen, Host: Small Firm, Big Impact will know we try to do
Gillian Bowen, Host: as much as we can in 20 minutes or less.
Gillian Bowen, Host: So we're having a good old crack here. What is
Gillian Bowen, Host: your view on the application of ethics within the profession
Gillian Bowen, Host: right now? And looking at it potentially as well, through
Gillian Bowen, Host: a lens of Australia and New Zealand?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, um, I think that there are improvement, improvements to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: be made, but I'm positive about improvements being made. So I'm
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: somewhere in between and we are somewhere in between being
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: a little bit concerned about the need to the urgent
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: need to uphold ethics in the profession, and a very
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: positive understanding of what's happening in terms of the awareness
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of the profession, of the importance of ethics. So, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: discussions are being held, developments are being observed, and I
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: think that we should be and we we can be
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: positive and optimistic about the future.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And that sounds to me as well, that you're aware
Gillian Bowen, Host: of the work that professional bodies are doing in this space.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And I'm thinking in particular through the lens of CA ANZ,
Gillian Bowen, Host: the actions and and the movements that CA ANZ has been
Gillian Bowen, Host: doing to ensure that it's active in this conversation and
Gillian Bowen, Host: is taking steps to ensure that its members are doing
Gillian Bowen, Host: the right thing.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Yeah. CA ANZ, like is, is actually very active in the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: conversations with, uh, with the IESBA. But this is a
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: very particular moment, I would say, because we have, as
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: you can imagine, a lot of organizations around the world
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: connecting with us. And, um, what we could see yesterday and,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and today as well, in the different moments where I
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: had me and my colleagues had the opportunity to be
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: with the CA ANZ and the representatives and members is a relevant,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: important interest in ethics, a very well understanding of what
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the IESBA is doing in this space, and awareness of
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the problems and of the opportunities for the profession. So
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: I think they are playing a very good role.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm, mhm mhm.
Gillian Bowen, Host: The IESBA Strategy and Work Plan has recently been finalized, April,
Gillian Bowen, Host: I believe it was. And that was after consultation. And
Gillian Bowen, Host: I note for those listening along, CA ANZ fed into that
Gillian Bowen, Host: so I'll put a link to our, um, involvement. It's
Gillian Bowen, Host: an extensive document. We cannot talk about it in this
Gillian Bowen, Host: short time. Is there something like maybe three, three takeaways
Gillian Bowen, Host: or two takeaways, maybe even one takeaway, if that's all
Gillian Bowen, Host: we have time for tha accountants in Australia and New
Gillian Bowen, Host: Zealand should know about.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, I won't call them probably takeaways but I would
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: I would highlight two topics which are the two main
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: strategic topics that we have identified for the next four years,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: for the years, but to do work on. And these
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: topics are the firm's culture and governance and the possible
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: extension or expansion of the applicability of the code to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: non-professional accountants. These are the main strategic topics. Then within
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: these topics we are going to develop work. So it's
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: very early days. So I'm not able to say what,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: but what I think that the firms and the professional
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: accountants should retain is one, the importance of trying to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: set a very robust and good culture and governance within
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the firms so as to avoid that unethical behaviors, get
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: a space there and may flourish there um, because the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: right instruments and the right tools and the right culture
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is not in place. And the second, which is related
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to this one, is that accountants, professional accountants are subject
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to the code of ethics. The IESBA develops ethics standards
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: for the professional accountants. But there are other professionals, other
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: people doing the same services. So it's in the interest
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of everybody, namely of the profession and of the users,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of the information of the for the public interest that
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: there is a common, consistent framework applying to all of
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: them to avoid that some of them have are subject
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to a robust set of standards, ethics standards, and the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: others can be doing the same thing without abiding by
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: any ethics standards or more, uh, more fragile ethics approaches.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: So this is important not only from a level playing
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: field perspective to put them all in, in the same,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: in the same situation, but mostly for the public interest,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: because it avoids investors and other users of the information
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to be protected against any kind of wrongdoing and etc.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: irrespective of who is providing the information.
Gillian Bowen, Host: How do you get to that point of a common,
Gillian Bowen, Host: consistent framework? Is that what you will plot out or
Gillian Bowen, Host: work towards as this framework goes on in the next
Gillian Bowen, Host: few years?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, we will explore how much we can do and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: we should do in that respect. I'm not saying that
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: this is going to change dramatically over the next 2
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: or 3 years. This is the start of a journey
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: where we will explore together with our stakeholders, stakeholders and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: namely with the profession, which we have already been doing,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: how much this is necessary and what we can do
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: in that respect. Anyway, I see that there is a
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: considerable relevant space where this may happen again for the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: public interest, but also in the interest of the profession.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Mhm, mhm.
Gillian Bowen, Host: You've used the word 'agility'. I'm not sure if you've
Gillian Bowen, Host: read the foreword recently of the, of the document, but
Gillian Bowen, Host: the word that you put in there or the word
Gillian Bowen, Host: that you say is your word for the next four
Gillian Bowen, Host: years is agility. Why is that?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: I think it's, uh, well, agility because the world is changing.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: The IESBA is not an island. We don't work in the vacuum.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: We observe the developments around us, the changes, the the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the opportunities, the the threats, the risks. And we respond actively,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: proactively or reactively to these changes. Now the world is
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: changing very quickly. Things are happening that we could never,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: never imagine. A few years ago we had Covid, we
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: had the Ukraine war. Now we have the Middle East
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: war and all these things
Gillian Bowen, Host: inflation...
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: inflation, geographic geopolitical tensions, uh, a lot of things, climate change,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: which is not one of the minor risks, that one's
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: not going changes. So what we can do upon a
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: very extensive consultation to our stakeholders and our own reflection,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is to set a strategy and work plan for the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: next four years, which is what we can where we
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: are now understand, uh, to be the areas where we
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: can be more relevant. But we are very well aware
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: that this may change very quickly. There may be developments
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: that we are not expecting, which may, uh, um, force
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: us to reprioritize our initiatives or even to put them,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: some of them on hold and replace them by initiatives
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and areas of work that we have not, uh, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: we had not foreseen. So our stakeholders should be ready
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to accept that, because traditionally it's not the way IESBA
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: was working, but we have to change as the world changes.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: So that's why the agility.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I think that's a.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Good takeaway from anything that we do that we want.
Gillian Bowen, Host: We don't want to keep doing something just because we
Gillian Bowen, Host: said we would if it no longer makes sense because
Gillian Bowen, Host: you've got improved information, I think that's an important takeaway
Gillian Bowen, Host: for me, no matter what you're doing. Look, two questions
Gillian Bowen, Host: to go because I'm conscious we're almost out of time
Gillian Bowen, Host: and I'm trying to keep it short, snappy and happy. Um,
Gillian Bowen, Host: I think it's important because of the listeners that we've
Gillian Bowen, Host: got to talk about the work that you've been doing
Gillian Bowen, Host: on tax planning and related services. You mentioned it at
Gillian Bowen, Host: the start, but what is it that you're doing in
Gillian Bowen, Host: that space, and how is that relevant to people who
Gillian Bowen, Host: might work in smaller or medium sized firms rather than
Gillian Bowen, Host: in the big firms?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, I think that this work will be relevant to everybody.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Love that...
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: ...to be to be frank, these are very recently issued
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: published ethics standards, ethics standards for tax planning. They were
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: published last month after the approval of the PIOB, the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: public interest (oversight board), not the approval, the certification of the PIOB.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: And we are exactly now rolling out, making professional accountants
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: aware of the existence of these standards and making them
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: understand how they work. The idea of these standards is
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to provide all professional accountants ... I mean, professional accountants
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: in business or professional accountants in public practice, with a
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: very robust framework for to help them navigate the ethical
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: dilemmas that they may face when providing tax planning services.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: It's not about what's forbidden, because what's forbidden is forbidden.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: It's it's illegal so that's not our space. What's absolutely
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and clearly legal and acceptable. It's not our space. Our
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: space is the space in between what we call the
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: gray area that is very relevant in this space and which, um,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: speaks to these problems or these moments where the tax
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: planning provider knows that something can be legal or can
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: be considered illegal. But beyond the legality, the pure legality
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of the of the situation, there are ethical considerations to be, uh, taken, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to be to be to be well, to be considered. Mm. Uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: if I may. So, uh, and this is exactly what
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: we are trying to help professional accountants do and to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: protect them, to protect the public interest, of course, to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: protect their clients and to protect themselves against the consequences
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of any actions, any situations where they provide they provide
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: tax services, tax planning services. And this can be considered
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: not only illegal, but more than that unethical and create
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: severe reputational issues, financial, uh, consequences against the provider and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the profession more generally. So it's really a framework which
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is conceived for the public interest. That's what we work for,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: but that we, uh, suppose, imagine and and believe that
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: will help immensely professional accountants in the, in the in
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: providing tax services. Now the question is should they apply
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to others as well, not only to tax planning to
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: professional accountants providing tax planning services. Yeah, we encourage that
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the application and adoption by others consultants, lawyers uh, namely
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: which are doing exactly the same thing, but to whom
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: these standards don't apply directly. In an ideal world, all
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: of them would be abiding by the same ethical standard
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: and taking the same considerations into their work when providing
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: tax planning services.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I like that um, line you explained there. I think
Gillian Bowen, Host: it sums up your work really well, the area or
Gillian Bowen, Host: the space in between. And that is where people get
Gillian Bowen, Host: into trouble and need and need the guidance. So then
Gillian Bowen, Host: you've touched on it a little. My final question before
Gillian Bowen, Host: we wrap up then is, um, what do you think
Gillian Bowen, Host: the impact will be on accountants, um, in their day
Gillian Bowen, Host: to day with this work that you're doing in this space?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: I think it's going to be a very positive impact.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: There are some, some situations where, uh, professional accountants may
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: think that this is an additional burden or additional things
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: that they have to do. This is really about bringing,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: putting in a very objective and clear way how a process,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: a certain approach to the work that they should take
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: to avoid problems, to put it in a very simple
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: way to avoid significant problems for the public interest and
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: for themselves, that may arise of a inadvertently most of
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the times of uh, conducts behaviors in providing, uh, tax
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: planning services, which may result from a purely automatic, uh, um,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: legal approach to the, to the law.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Um, now
Gillian Bowen, Host: I've asked all the questions. Is there anything that you
Gillian Bowen, Host: would like to say about anything that you haven't had
Gillian Bowen, Host: the opportunity to say yet before we go?
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Well, I think that, uh, my message is always, uh,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the same. I think that what I'd like to say
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is that I'd like to see, uh, the profession, um,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: upholding ethics and, uh, more and more taking ethics into
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the centre of everything they do and realize that this
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: is really a systemic risk and a great opportunity for
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: them to make a difference. So I want the, the,
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: the profession to become, uh, ethical champions, not only compliance.
Gillian Bowen, Host: I love that.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Look. We've tried to pack a lot into a short time.
Gillian Bowen, Host: This is all we have time for. I'll put a
Gillian Bowen, Host: link to the IESBA Strategy and Work Plan into the
Gillian Bowen, Host: podcast episode, show notes, as well as a link to
Gillian Bowen, Host: the CA ANZ submission for anyone wanting to read any more information.
Gillian Bowen, Host: And our team, of course, will continue to communicate with
Gillian Bowen, Host: you about how this work impacts you through the usual
Gillian Bowen, Host: ways obviously newsletters, webinars, events, etc. so if you aren't
Gillian Bowen, Host: receiving the information you need, please check your communication preferences
Gillian Bowen, Host: in MyCA. There'll be a link to that in the
Gillian Bowen, Host: show notes as well. If you want to get in
Gillian Bowen, Host: touch with the podcast, email us podcast@charteredaccountantsanz.com and follow the pod.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Let's start a conversation. Thank you Gabriela Figueiredo Dias for
Gillian Bowen, Host: being my guest on Small Firm, Big Impact.
Gabriela Figueiredo Dias, IESBA Chair: Thank you.
Gillian Bowen, Host: Bye bye.