1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: I'm telling you bes Boxton's Beach Radio Reading's good friends 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: and future good friends. It's night side with Dan Ray. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Bradley Jay and for Dan, and we're talking to Jim Sullivan, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 2: rock writer who has had unbelievable experiences with many of 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: your favorite rockers, and he's sharing some of the stories. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: And if you just joined us, let me reset. It's 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: quite simple. Jim had the good fortune to spend a 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: considerable time with Alice Cooper and even to golf, not once, 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: but twice, and I was wondering what it would be like. 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: I wandered out loud to Jim, what it would be 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: like to be teeing off? Because I know it's kind 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: of nerve wracking, the tea off in front of colleagues, 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 2: your boss, or maybe Alice Cooper, and you don't want 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: to embarrass yourself. And I asked Jim, hey, is it 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: intimidating to tea off and play golf with Alice Cooper? 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: And he said will yes? Of course he said yes no. 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: So now we're about to get in to the yes 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 2: and the no. Jim, let her rip. 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: That's a great intro. Bradley intimidating in the sense that, well, 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: like you say, anytime you approach the team with people 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: you know and like you want to play a good game, right. 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: So with Alice there, Alis is pretty much a scratch 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: golfer and maybe I think it was a five handicap 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: when we played. I'm a bogey golfer, roughly maybe a 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen handicap. Alice is going to be a 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: much better golfer than I am. That's fine. I want 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: to just hold my own right. And this I really 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I happened 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: to have one of the better rounds of my life 31 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: the first we played nine each day. I shot a 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: forty the first day and a forty four the second 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: time we played. Alice shot the thirty eight the first time, 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: and I think he's shot the same thing a second time, 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: And you know, it was I was so happy that 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: I played as well as I did, And you know, 37 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I don't know 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: what kicked in muscle memory, something I don't know, but 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: it was just one of those good rounds. So the intimidation, really, 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: whatever might have been there to start kind of went 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: away because I was playing so well, so that was good. 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is Alice is a talker. I 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: mean he's telling stories almost time between shots. And he 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: knew or knows everybody. He talked about the comedy legends. 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: He knew Red Skelton, Victor Porge, talked about Jack Benny, 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis, he talked about on his radio from interviewing 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Lee Lewis, who was one of the worst interviews 48 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: he had. He talked about Keith Moon, who was one 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: of the original Hollywood vampires, the drinking and drugging crew 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: out in la that included John Lennon and Ringo and 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: make He told want Harry Nilson and this is a 52 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: funny one a story Alice told about Keith Moon. Keith 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: was staying at Alice's Houserizona, but he'd yet to meet 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: Alice's wife, Cheryl. She comes home to find Moon wearing 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: a full maid's uniform, asking what she needed clean. 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: Well, you can do that when you're Keith Moon. I mean, 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 2: that's a very Keith you could do. 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 1: It's better than something better than some of the other 59 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: costumes he chose over the course of his time, and 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: that was I mean just that kind of story is 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: just it was priceless. And me as a journalists writer, 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm scribbling some of the stuff down as we're calling, 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's like my head is like hit 64 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: the right shot. Oh god, that's a funny story. I 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: got to write that down, and I don't know, it 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: was a good day. I managed to do both. And 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm happy to let me ask you. 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: This technical questions. 69 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: Say you're a social situation, you overhear a story, or 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: he tells you a story. Do you have to ask 71 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: him each time? Is that off? I mean, if there's 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: really no such thing as off the record in real life. 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Now he knows I'm a journalist, and he's not telling 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: me anything that he wouldn't say on you know, officially 75 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: on the record. No, it's a l tree. That is 76 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: something that could be could be done. And actually one 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: of the guys who played with Dave Martin, who's a 78 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: member of a Positive Alice, is starting to tell the 79 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: story about Elvis and meeting Elvis, and as he started 80 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: the story, Dave flipped the video on and so he 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: got like about a ninety second take of Alice talking 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: about his time with Elvis and that was pretty fun too, 83 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: So it was a little bit performative. But hey, that's 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: that's you know, it's a good thing we were there 85 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: to do that. 86 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: Now it's a good time to talk a little bit 87 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: about golf and my theory and maybe it's you're better 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: than I am. Now I guess how to survive playing 89 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: golf with your boss and the famous people and. 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: Not embarrass yourself. The trick is like I get a 91 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: high score, but I ay. 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: Number one thing, don't hold anybody up, don't look for you. Oh, 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: first off the tee, just hit it in the fairway, man, 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: Do not hit a driver, hit a three wood or 95 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: something just to get you in the fairway. Nobody cares 96 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: if it doesn't go far. But it always is a 97 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: bummer when it goes in the woods or hits a tree. 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: And so just get it out there a little bit. 99 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: And the other thing, never look. 100 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: For your ball. 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Just give up, you know, just give up. You just 102 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: don't want to hold them up. And practice a swing. 103 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: Get a good swing, so it's not a ridiculous swing. 104 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter your score. But if you look 105 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: okay and you get it and keep it in the fairway, 106 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: that's kind of all it takes, and at the end 107 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: of the thing, when Alice Cooper has an eighty eight 108 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: and Jim Sullivan has a ninety four and you have 109 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty, it's fine as long as you 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: made them laugh and stayed in the fairway. That's my theory. 111 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: And it's also golf is an inherently funny sport. It's 112 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: so funny if somebody whiffs it, if somebody hits a tree. 113 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: Everything about it is funny. And I have a feeling 114 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: that perhaps golf is one of the few places where 115 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: it's kind of okay to make fun of people, like 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: to force them ahead of you when they're you know, 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: when they're acting like buffoons. 118 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: That's also kind of fun. 119 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Thoughts Jim Well, I concur with most of that. I 120 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: guess the fun for me has to kind of coincide 121 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: with a decent score. I get, I get very down 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: on myself if I'm like in the mid or upper 123 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: nineties or something. I really want to be in the eighties, 124 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm pretty frank about that. I mean, it's like, 125 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: all right, and didn't do what I'm intended to do 126 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: when I started out. Nevertheless, you know, as the cliche goes, 127 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: it's golf is a good walk spoiled and you're out there, 128 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: you're out in good weather, hopefully you're playing with friends, 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: people you like, and there's a lot of camaraderie that 130 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: comes with it, and that is that's a big part 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: of the game obviously. That is and the people I 132 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: play with. I mean, we're not really competing and we're 133 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: not paying for money or anything. We're just playing to 134 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: play well. And you want the people you're playing with 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: to play well. And you know, so we're all rooting 136 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: each other on you know. 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: So Okay, so that zaid after that diversion. Yeah, so 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: you guys have a couple more stories that we can 139 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: get to after this. 140 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: On WBZ. Thanks, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on 141 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: Boston's news radio. 142 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: Back with rock writer Jim Sullivan sharing stories. Jim, you 143 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: know you have many interactions, but some stories are better 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: than others. Why don't we let you choose one situation 145 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: that has another great story, like the Alice Cooper story. 146 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Well, here's one. Let's I'll do a Boston based thing. Here. 147 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell I'm going to give you a quote 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and then let you see if you can guess who 149 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: said it about who this fella. He is a guitar player. 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: He was a teenager. He described himself as a dewey 151 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: I kid from out of town, from New Hampshire, and 152 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: he would go down and see this band. They would 153 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: start off as a three piece, and then another guy 154 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: would come on stage, and then another guy, and then 155 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: finally the singer. They had always said, such showmanship and dynamics. Man, 156 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: if you saw that band when they were in their prime, 157 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: you were spoiled. You probably expected that's how rock is. Well, No, 158 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: they're a cut above. They were like swine the family stone. 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: They knew how to take a whole arena and just 160 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: tear it up. They set the bar for rock and 161 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: roll as far as I was concerned. They could stand 162 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: toe to toe with any band in the world. Joe Perry, 163 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: that was Joe Perry. Who was he speaking about Harism? 164 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: He was speaking about the Jake Isles. 165 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: Oh you got me. I walked right into that. But 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: it was beautiful. 167 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: I love it. 168 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 3: It's fantastic. Well done, Jim, all right, go ahead. 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: Oh that that's really that little anecdote. I mean, I 170 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: just love that. I mean, he was a kid, I mean, he's, 171 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, much younger is he than the guys from 172 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: the Giles Band? Not that much younger, but enough so 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: that he was a fan coming down to see them. 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: And they were a band, the Giles Fans Band I 175 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: saw when I was a kid too, and Terry was 176 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: completely right. It was like they set this standard and 177 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: you go, my god, this is good and then you 178 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: see other bands that aren't as good and you realize 179 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: what you have in your midst in New England is 180 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: this terrific kind of house band called the Jay Giles Band, 181 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: which lives on with you know, and Peter Wolf with 182 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: what he does and his solo stuff. 183 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: Wolf if you listen, and that's quite a tip of 184 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: the cab, that's pretty good. 185 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 3: Well that's I swear, Jim. I swear. 186 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: I used to work at Concord Hospital as an operating 187 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: room technician as I was seventeen eighteen, and we would 188 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: there was a school of nurses with eighty nurses. They're 189 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: all all alone, they're nobody to hang around with but me. 190 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: So we would go and see bands. And we went 191 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: to Senipee and I swear to God that there was 192 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: some band in this little club with not even not 193 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: even stage, maybe like a one. 194 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 3: Foot rise of stage at a place. 195 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: It wasn't the tune in, but it had some kind 196 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: of weird name like that. 197 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: The dud drop in, And I swear it was Arowsmith. 198 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: It might have been I'm. 199 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: Gonna I'm gonna just assume that's the case, and I 200 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: hope that was an early Aerosmith and they were good. 201 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: Now you you talked to David Bowie at some length 202 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: a number of times, and you talked to Angela and 203 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: got kind of a conflicting or a different viewpoint. That's 204 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: that's a pretty interesting dynamic to share from most two sides. 205 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, Angela Angie Bowie, his ex who royally 206 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: or wrongly claims a lot of credit for the Ziggy 207 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: Stars period, the costuming and the attitude and all of that. 208 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: She had written a book about David, not very complimentary, 209 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: and kind of went into his massive drug abuse problems 210 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: back in the day. So that's part of the Bowie chapter, 211 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: you know. And I, you know, I had dinner with 212 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: her and wrote a story about her and thought, well, 213 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: this included in the Bowie chapter because it is part 214 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: of his world. Even if she was sort of an 215 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: antagonist at that point. Bowie himself just man, gracious, incredibly intelligent, 216 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: and this is one thing I really liked. I mean, 217 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: when we talked, he didn't have an agenda per se. Yeah, 218 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: sure he was promoting a show or an album. I mean, 219 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of implicit in doing these things. But he 220 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: was very willing to follow a question that maybe didn't 221 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: pertain to that, or a tangent or even I remember 222 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: talking to him about this cartoon that had been done 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: in the Nameless Rock Press that had Bowie as this 224 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: vampire circling a hip rock club scene, trying to pick 225 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: up on the latest trends so he could incorporate them 226 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: into his music. And he just loved it. He said, well, 227 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of accurate. That is what I do. 228 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: I am a bit of a vampire that way. 229 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: He never denied that. 230 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: No, I mean a lot of stuff exactly. I mean, 231 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, the professionals with an amateur's borrow professional steel, 232 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean he was so proud about that. 233 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: But he was such a sponge for so many different 234 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: kinds of music, and it confounded some of the sands 235 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: because he was, you know, from the Gland period, to 236 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: the Plastic Soul period as he called it, and and 237 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: and arward and then you know, forming Tin Machine and 238 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: doing uh, you know this this rock that kind of 239 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: moved in the nine inch Nails direction and at some point, 240 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: so you know, and the man had an incredibly expansive career. 241 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to talk with him at several 242 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: junctures of that career, and uh, you know, it's you know, 243 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: just his death was frankly devastating. I had just started 244 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: listening to the album Black Our album that he had 245 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: put out he died. I guess it was the day 246 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: after two days after it came out. And in listening 247 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: to the album, the songs are eerie, they're spooky, they're 248 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: kind of like, have him looking at death, it seems like. 249 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: And I'm hearing this the first time when he was 250 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: still alive, and then a day or two later the 251 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: same songs and listening to again, point, Oh my god, 252 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: is he really did he really predict his own death? 253 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: Is he really writing about what was going to happen? 254 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: Yes, he knew, he knew, and he didn't share it 255 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: with anybody, but maybe Tony Visconti, his producer and another 256 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 2: player and like maybe one other person, and. 257 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: It was very private. 258 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, quite and uh. 259 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: An accomplishment to make such a work of art, as 260 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, and while you are dying, it's quite a thing. 261 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: And you know, actually just bringing that up Warren Zevon, 262 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: who just went into Rock and Roll Hall of Fame posthumously, 263 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: of course, seems sort of thing. He made his final 264 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: record The Wind after his cancer diagnosis, and he was 265 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: he was somebody I knew quite well, and he was 266 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: kind of coaxed through the record by Jorge Calderon, you know, 267 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: one of his his co writers over the many years, 268 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of pushing him to go out 269 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: on a good note, which he did, and that, to 270 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: me is an amazing record. If he does a version 271 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: of Dylan's Knocking on Heaven's Door, it'll it'll just bring 272 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: you to tears, because you know, if anybody's knocking on 273 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Heaven's door, if you believe this a heaven, well that 274 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: would be somebody singing it who is really almost there, 275 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: you know. And and the season if you haven't seen 276 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: the Rock and Noll Hall of Fame induction thing, I 277 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: guess it airs again January first on Network TV. It's 278 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: quite a moving tribute that Letterman does to him, and 279 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: it brought back just seeing the montage, I brought back 280 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: a lot of great memories for me too. I spent 281 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time with Warrenthy over the years, and 282 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: you know with the final time that was two thousand 283 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: and two and two thousand and one, and you know, 284 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: it was just big hugs and you know, I don't 285 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: want to cheer up now, but you know, great, great time. 286 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: A couple of things about Bowie. Earlier we heard about 287 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: a guy who was who who Inhales secondhand smoke from 288 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: Keith Richards Well, similar thing we did my boss Oedipus 289 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: and I at the time at w PC and went 290 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: into Bowie's limousine and went through the ashtrays and took 291 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: a cigarette butts, then went back to the station and 292 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: smoked one of them ceremoniously on the air so that 293 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: we might get some of Bowie's magic molecules into our bodies. 294 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: So it was kind of a similar thing. 295 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: And also there was David supplied me with one I 296 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: guess kind of the pinnacle of my attire rock career. 297 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: I think doing MCing at the Orphan but I believe 298 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: is tin. 299 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: Machine you know, it's a it's a big. 300 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: Deal to MC in a big place like that, And 301 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: so the lights go up and you go out and 302 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: your manly adrenaline Russian and you do a very brief 303 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: and you try to do professional intro and you ended 304 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: up with David Bowie and he comes bounding out and 305 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: I go bounding off and he he puts up his 306 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: hand for a high five, and he gives me a 307 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: high five in front of everybody. And it was a 308 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: good high five, not a miss. It was like bam. 309 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: And that was like pretty pretty much the pinnacle. 310 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: So I have a couple. 311 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, all downhill from there. 312 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Absolute I have some questions. 313 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: You're a pro interviewer. That's what you do. 314 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 2: It's what you've done for a long time. How about 315 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: giving us a couple of dues and don'ts when it 316 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: comes to you know, some something or two or three 317 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: that might help a rookie avoid embarrassment, give him a 318 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: head start, some dues and don'ts. I don't know if 319 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: you thought about that. 320 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: But sure, I mean the most simple thing is through 321 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: your research, you know and don't I mean, try to 322 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: incorporate as much as of it as you can in 323 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: your head or wherever you're notepad, wherever you're doing it, 324 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: so you're you're there. You're at a level when you're 325 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: starting where the guy doesn't have to explain things to you, 326 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: so you're able to ask questions that make sense that 327 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: maybe he maybe certainly before, maybe he hasn't, but you're 328 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: immediately establishing that you've done your work. You're on par 329 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: with him in terms of I talked about this earlier, 330 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, being a professional and doing 331 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: your job. The other thing I would say is, I mean, 332 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: don't be of sequist, don't be fawning, don't be starstruck. 333 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: Try to just consider it a conversation. It's a conversation 334 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: where obviously you want to draw things out of this person. 335 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: But if it's if it is more of a conversation, 336 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: and this is obviously kind of what you do too 337 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: broadway on the air. Is you're going back and forth. 338 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: You're not just throwing a question out and waiting for, 339 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, a chunky paragraph of an answer. Perhaps you 340 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: may I mean, that may happen, and that's fine too, 341 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: but if you can give a little bit of your life, 342 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: your perspective and engage them in your thoughts. They will 343 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: play off that, or some of them will, maybe some 344 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: are too self possessed to do that. But I think 345 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: I've been pretty lucky and that when I've talked to 346 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: people in the things other than their lives their work, 347 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: they enjoy that. They enjoy going a little off topic 348 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: topic being them. And you know, I don't know exactly 349 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: how to develop that skill, and I'm happy that that's 350 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: part of my skill set, but I think it's an 351 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: important thing to do to be able to relate to 352 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: people who you know, have a level of fame that 353 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: may be shall we say, above your. 354 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: Own right and you meason not being fine and related 355 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: to that, does that end? What I was What I 356 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: was trying to do is put myself in their position. 357 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: They're traveling around, they have their particular hell they're living in. 358 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: When I would talk to them a lot of time, 359 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: it would be daytime, like you, they've been up on 360 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: nine maybe, they they didn't get much sleep, they eat 361 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: awful food. They're riding on a bus maybe, And if 362 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 2: you come at it and ask them about that daily life. Uh, 363 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: that was always a good starting place for me. And 364 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: agreed with what you said. About being prepared because then 365 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: you get respect from them. 366 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: That's what you need to do. 367 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: A good job. Yes, yes, yeh yeah. You want to 368 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: establish that you've done your work, and I think you're 369 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: treated with more respect if you show that, and that's 370 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: just you know, it's a good way to do, the 371 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: way to go in. One thing I wanted to mention 372 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: is just some of the people we were talking about 373 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: here and this just struck me when we were talking 374 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: about the Sevon Roy Orbison was one of my favorite singers, 375 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: the most operatic rock singer there ever was, and I 376 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to see him several times and interview him. 377 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: I actually ended up doing the last interview he ever did. 378 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: It was a phone interview from France. It was before 379 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: a week or so before he played the Channel Club. 380 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: He did two dates there in Boston, and it was 381 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, I mean the fact that it was his 382 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: last interview. Obviously I didn't know that no one knew that, 383 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: no one knew he was he had a heart problem, 384 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't think, but in retrospect, it was just sort 385 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: of astonishing to realize that these were kind of the 386 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: last published thoughts that he had, and the really sad 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: part is that he had just made this comeback record 388 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: hadn't been released yet. I had an advanced tape of 389 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: it was a terrific album, and he was so much 390 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: looking forward to working those songs into his set in 391 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: the next year. And the enthusiasm he had, and that's 392 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: sort of feeling of being reborn, you know. He carried 393 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: that with him and everyone I think around him has 394 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: the feeling that this is going to launch him once again. 395 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: And he died. And you know the interview that I did, 396 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: the chapter that's in the backstage from the on boat. 397 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 3: You know, Jim, I help to go. 398 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: I'd love to stay a few minutes after just to 399 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: finish the story on the I hate to cut you off. 400 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't unfulfilled like that, and I do want to 401 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: plug the book a little more so, maybe five minutes 402 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: after this break, just to give it a clean clothes 403 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: if you if you would do that, that'd be great. 404 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: Stubborn Bzy, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w 405 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: B Boston's news radio. By these four hours are flying 406 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: by the night side with Dan Ray badly Jay for Dan, 407 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: We've been talking with Jim Sullivan, rock writer, a person 408 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: who's been in Boston. He's a Boston staple. He's been 409 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: here along with you for all these years. Any show 410 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: you were at, he's probably there. He's got a book 411 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: backstage Beyond Complete forty five years of Rock, Chance and Rinse. 412 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: Jim Sullivan is his name, and I'm so glad he 413 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: wrote the book because I was looking for something to read, 414 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: and it's such a pleasure to read a well written book. 415 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: It was such a pleasure to read Peter Wolfe's most 416 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: recent well most recently Peter Wolf's book, because it's also 417 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: well written. And Jim, just before the break, was talking 418 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: about Roy Orbison, and I didn't want to have to 419 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: have him curtail that meaningful story, So we'll just finish 420 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: that up and I'll I'll say thank you and say goodbye. 421 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: So take your time as much as you want. 422 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Jim, well, it was kind of near in the end 423 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: of it. I mean, when I saw Roy play that 424 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: show at the Channel, it felt so good to hear 425 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: the voice coming out of that little o of a mouth. 426 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: He's smallest mouth, biggest sound, and the place was packed. 427 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: He did two nights, and it was again because of 428 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: having done the interview and knowing how optimistic he was 429 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: about the future. Even if he wasn't playing those songs 430 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: that night. He felt he couldn't because they did the 431 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: audience didn't know them. He felt it would be cheating 432 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: to play new songs that they didn't know. I mean, 433 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: you could disagree with that. I kind of did a 434 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: little bit. I wish he had, but you know, that 435 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: was his feeling, was that they had to be out 436 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: there in the public before he could perform it. And 437 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: so knowing that was to come, or thinking I knew 438 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: that was to come, that made that concert that I 439 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: saw where he played you know, all the hits that 440 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: you know that so responsible for, he wrote most of 441 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: them too. And just having that feeling of walking away 442 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: from that show and just feeling the warmth and the 443 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: love in that room from him and among the crowd 444 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: itself just one of the best feelings you can have 445 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: at a show, and that's probably a good way to 446 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: leave it. 447 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time, and thanks all 448 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: the time you spent writing a book. You know as 449 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: much as well as anyone. It's hard to write a book, 450 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: even when you were a good writer, it's very difficult. 451 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: So thank you for your efforts and let me assure 452 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: you that it is fantastic. 453 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 3: I recommend it. 454 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: You can get it at Trouser Press, but you can 455 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: go to Amazon and get it. Probably not in the 456 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 2: bookstores because it's been out for a while, so you know, 457 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: no shame in going to Amazon. In this case, Backstation 458 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 2: Beyond complete forty five years of Rock Chance Chats rants 459 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: Jim Sullivan, including eleven new chapters. So thanks so much 460 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 2: for all your time. Oh and by the way, by 461 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: the way, I love you. Don't live that far away 462 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: from me. I don't know if you're a big walker, 463 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: but perhaps you and or your wife Rosa would like 464 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: to get out there and walk. Maybe they'll be safety 465 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 2: in numbers. We can stave off the e bikes together 466 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 2: and stay. 467 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Yes, that's something we share, isn't it. Yes, the fear 468 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: of getting hit by the e bikes. Yes, yes, what 469 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: would be all whole other night. I'm sure Bradley to 470 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: talk about that, but yes we can. We could do 471 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: a neighborhood walk and protect each other. Okay, thanks so much, 472 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: all right, thanks for having me, Bradley. 473 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what a pleasure. 474 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: I must say that, as many of you know, if 475 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: you have a long, long term relationship with somebody, say 476 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: in your industry, whatever it might be, whether it's at 477 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: the ball bearing factory or at the country, whatever you do. 478 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: It's nice to look back and feel this bond, a 479 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: long time bond like Jim came. 480 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 3: Into town. 481 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 2: Or a little before I did, Man from down from Maine, 482 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: I believe, and you know, for decades, see each other 483 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: at shows, nod have a beer, chat on and on 484 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 2: and on. It's like some folks go to church. This 485 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: was kind of you know, some the community for many 486 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: where you see folks and is it church? But this, 487 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 2: these these clubs would be where we would see each 488 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: other and the whole community people from even when I 489 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: started out on college radio, Boston was and I don't 490 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: think it was you. I think I think it was 491 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: quite unique. I don't think it was a common thing 492 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: to have the college radio scene and the professional radio 493 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: scene so tight tightly knit together. 494 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: It's open lines. Now. 495 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to just chat about this, but 496 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: you can jump in with anything you want if you 497 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: want a garment on the yes, the end of the 498 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: government shutdown and how it turned out, if there's something 499 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: you wanted to chat about, or if you just wanted 500 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: to say Hi, that's cool, that's fine, six one, seven, two, five, four, 501 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: ten thirty very chill. Or I can just talk whatever 502 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: you like. So I'm going to kind of continue talking 503 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: about you know, our world, Gym's world and my world. 504 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: And for many of you, your will because you like 505 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: to go to the rock shows. As I was saying, 506 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: it's wonderful to have these long term relationships. And let 507 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: me talk about the Boston scene a little bit and 508 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: how unique it was. Many of you were a part 509 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: of it. 510 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: Many of you were in it. Many of you were there. 511 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: If you have any any observations or remembrances of particular 512 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: clubs and what it meant to you, what maybe the 513 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: music meant to you. But back to the tightly knit community, 514 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 2: and it involves a little bit of my history. Maybe 515 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: I should take this opportunity to give you a quick 516 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: rundown of my employment history. Grew up in New Hampshire. 517 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: First job breaking blueberries, which is hell low bush blueberries. 518 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: You got to rake them in the hot sun four 519 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 2: cents a pound, terrible. Hell knew I didn't want to 520 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: do that or do anything outside for a job. Next 521 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: job washing dishes. Compared to that blueberry raking, I loved 522 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: washing dishes. It was at that point I guess I 523 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: got my first car, nineteen sixty seven three speed Mustang 524 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: I'll rusted out. Cost seventy five dollars. Next job was 525 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: in the hospital, because they wanted to wash dishes in 526 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: the hospital, but there were no jobs. I happened to 527 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 2: know the daughter of the administrator of the hospital, and 528 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: everyone else's washing dishes in the hospital, and they having 529 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: a good time. And I was at this little restaurant 530 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: halfway out of town. I kept bugging them. They said, 531 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: you know, we don't have any dish washing jobs left, 532 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: but keep bugging us. We'll we'll find something for you. 533 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: When I say keep bugging us, I thought they meant 534 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: every day. So every day I called them up every day. 535 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: I thought that was what they meant. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Finally, 536 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,719 Speaker 2: I guess they got so burned out they said, we're 537 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: going to create a job for you. We're going on 538 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: a We want to have somebody to detail the operating rooms. 539 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: They did an orderly who would sort of swab it 540 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 2: down on a daily basis, but they wanted somebody to 541 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,959 Speaker 2: detail it in the cracks. No one had ever done it. 542 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 2: We're talking with the toothbrush, and I did that. I 543 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 2: won't go into the gory stuff I saw, but I 544 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: was very intrigued by the whole thing. And sometimes I 545 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: would see emergency operations and people assisting on them that 546 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: weren't doctors. They said, oh, we're operating room technicians. We 547 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: learned it in the service. And so when the when 548 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: the high school guidance counselors said what do you want 549 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: to do, I said, I want to be one of them. 550 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: I want to be an operating room technician. They never 551 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: heard of it. Six months later guidance counsel called me down. 552 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: You know what is there's some school unconquered that will 553 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: teach you how to do this. I signed up. There 554 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: only took six people. I got in, and when I 555 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: was seventeen, I went to school to be an operating 556 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: room technician. And I worked in the emergency room and 557 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: the operating room and saw some horrific things. Probably got 558 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: PTSD very stressful. Then one day I visited friends at 559 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: U and H and I didn't realize how cool college was. 560 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: Wow, this is easy. 561 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: These people just sit around, they go to class speak 562 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: when they want study. 563 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: Some drink. Peer society thinks that's fine. Who knew? I 564 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: didn't know. 565 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 2: My parents didn't tell me how cool college was. I said, 566 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: I want college, So I got in, went to college, 567 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: got on the radio. Then college got over and I 568 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: couldn't do the shows anymore. But I missed it, so 569 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: I used to hitchhike back up to the school while 570 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: I was working at TGI Fridays in Newbury Street once 571 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: a week. Actually, I took the bus up and hitchhiked 572 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: back every week from Durham, New Hampshire to Boston just 573 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: to do the show. Then somebody said, hey, you ought 574 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: to talk. I know this guy at Boston College ought 575 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: to talk to them. 576 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: I did. I got on there. 577 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: That led to a gig at a place called Wyan 578 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: and Lynn, and they used to have to take the 579 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: bus out there, do a show and then sleep overnight 580 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 2: on a black plastic, sweaty couch, take the first bus 581 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: back in the morning. Back then, everybody smoked by the 582 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: way on the bus. Everyone on the bus was smoking. 583 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: At that point, being on the college radio and on 584 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: the and on w l Yan which became FNX, you 585 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: were in the scene and in Boston. As I mentioned, 586 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: unlike other towns. The people at the big station WBC, 587 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: and they were also college DJs, and so when you 588 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 2: would go to a show, everyone was there. You kind 589 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: of knew them, they kind of knew you. You were 590 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: on the air in Boston, even if it was college. 591 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: I started sending tapes. Finally, after the fourth one, through 592 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 2: attrition and just persistence, I got a gig. 593 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 3: I didn't get fired. 594 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: They stayed there twenty eight years and then transition to talk, 595 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: which was a real challenge, and there were many doubters, 596 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: but not me. I didn't doubt it. And I and 597 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: there are other some other folks that had my back 598 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: and still have my back that I really appreciate it. 599 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: You know who you are, and here I am. That's 600 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: the short version, but you can see how folks like 601 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: our guest Jim fit in there. I'd never really shared 602 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: my early days with you, like working in the restaurants 603 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: and stuff, but I kind of I think that stuff's important. 604 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if kids do it anymore, no idea. 605 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't no idea. I'm not gonna bother to find out. 606 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: But those humble jobs really really make me appreciate everything, everything, everything, 607 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: and it's not a minute or a day that goes by. 608 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 2: Then I'm not thankful for the past and not thankful 609 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: for being able to sit here. 610 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 3: And speak to you today. 611 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: WBZ News Radio ten thirty, you're. 612 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: On Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio. 613 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, all of a sudden, everyone calls at the end, folks. 614 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: May I recommend you'll have more time if you call 615 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: earlier on in the show. But on the other hand, 616 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: I'll take what I can get. It's nice to hear 617 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: from you. Maybe you weren't around then. First we have 618 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 2: Joline Jolene, Jolene Jolene from Beverly. 619 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 3: How you doing, Joelene, I was. 620 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 4: Doing better before you started singing that all along. I 621 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 4: love Dolly Parton, but I wasn't crazy about that song. 622 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 4: But it's okay. I love your personality, Bradley, and I 623 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 4: like it when you're filling in for anybody. Morgan or Gan, 624 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 4: we're writing find you or hear you. When you were 625 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 4: talking earlier about AI, I believe it was. I am 626 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 4: just so caught up in this. I understand so little 627 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 4: about it. But the more they talk about probably getting 628 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 4: the term wrong. But giant AI or giga AI, the 629 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 4: super fast and overwhelming AI that could end humanity. 630 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: You know, you know more about it than I do 631 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: in some ways. If you if you want to learn 632 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: more about it, you know what I recommend, and I 633 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 2: recommend this to everybody you do. YouTube will tell you 634 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: anything you need to know about anything. 635 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: YouTube find out more. 636 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 4: Yes, I know, and I'm going to. There was somebody 637 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 4: the other night that was explaining it the best I've 638 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 4: heard so far, and my husband showed me how to 639 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 4: look up his podcast. So many podcasts on YouTube, and 640 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to saying that he was getting into 641 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 4: these two huge buildings in New York. I believe that 642 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 4: a lot of people, uh say it. One of them 643 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 4: was built by AT and T and they think it's 644 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 4: just something to do with them, But yeah, it's because 645 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 4: super speedy AI is going to need a lot of 646 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 4: energy and a lot of cold to do what it's 647 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 4: programmed to do. That they need these two huge, thirty 648 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 4: store and buildings that has nobody in them except just 649 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 4: air and cold. 650 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It's very interesting. I wish you 651 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 2: could call it a little bit earlier, but I really 652 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: appreciate the confidence and since you didn't have much time. 653 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: You can call either tomorrow night or the next night 654 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: when I'm on. 655 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: Thanks. I appreciate it and call a little earlier. 656 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: I just know that I'm not going to have time 657 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 2: to get to Rick tonight, so I don't want to 658 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 2: keep you waiting, but we'll go to Maria in New 659 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 2: York and finish up with Maria. Hi, Maria, Hi, Hey, Hey, 660 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: Maria Hi. 661 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 5: Thank you for taking my call. I'll make it quick. 662 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 5: I just want to thank you for all the years 663 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 5: at WBCN that you did. I'm sixty three now, and 664 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 5: when I was eighteen and you know, learning more about 665 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 5: music outside of my world. You guys introduced me to 666 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 5: you two and it was life changing and it was awesome. 667 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 5: And used to go to the channel back in the day. 668 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 5: And when I moved to Upstate New York in ninety three, 669 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 5: and every time i'd make a trip home, I would 670 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 5: get on four ninety five and put on WBCN and 671 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 5: it was just magic. So thank you for that love. 672 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: The interview tonight told another DJ that I listened to 673 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,959 Speaker 5: named Ronnie Dark with the Wax Museum on Sunday nights. 674 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 5: They only play Vinyl OK and I was like, you 675 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 5: got to listen to this interview, So can you confirm 676 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 5: that it'll be available tomorrow. 677 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: To absolutely okay, and you can just go to night 678 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 2: Side on demand. Is that correct again? NID Nightside on 679 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: Demand and just scroll to it and it will be there. 680 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: Might be okay, we'll be there very soon. 681 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 5: All right, awesome, thank you, thank you so much. Looking 682 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 5: forward to hearing you tomorrow night. You're welcome. 683 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 3: Thanks. 684 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 2: By the way, it would be the fan favorite Michael 685 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: Cooin taking care of legal business tomorrow. There's a lot 686 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: of weird stuff going on out there to cover, you know. 687 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 2: It turns out, Mike, excuse me, Rick and Bill rick Ga, 688 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 2: we do have two minutes. 689 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 6: So I stayed on the line for that reason. You 690 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 6: don't have to sing, Ricky, don't lose that number to me, 691 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 6: just like but no, I just wanted to say hi, 692 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 6: it's great to have you. And I was having this 693 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 6: Korean Kim Sheen. I was thinking to you because you 694 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 6: got the travel podcast and you eat all different types 695 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 6: of food, and I wanted to ask, are you a 696 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 6: fan of Kim che. 697 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 3: You know what? It's pretty salty, right, super salty? Am 698 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 3: I right on? 699 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 6: Ye, It's spicy, It's really good. But it's it's got it. 700 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like. 701 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 2: To taste about. I try to stay away from a salt. 702 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: Do they make that by burying? It's cabbage and a 703 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 2: bunch of other stuff? Do they bury it? Is that 704 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: how they make it? 705 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 6: That's my understanding. It ferment's in the ground. They might 706 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 6: do it different, well. 707 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 3: Different commercial stuff. 708 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 2: Probably couldn't afford to bury it all the ground and 709 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 2: dig it up, but that was the original way. 710 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 3: Probably. 711 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a fermentation. I find it to be unbelievable, 712 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,959 Speaker 6: and the helps of my ass and reflex it really 713 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 6: helps the gut because of the ginger. But anyway, I 714 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 6: won't keep you because you got to wrap the show up. 715 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 6: But great to have you and happy Thanksgiving. If I 716 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 6: don't catch up at you anytime soon, it's coming up, 717 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 6: so a couple of weeks. 718 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, thank you so much for being with us. 719 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 2: I truly do appreciate and and thanks for the kind words. 720 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 6: Absolutely all right, take it easy, take care. 721 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 2: So you mentioned the travel I have a YouTube travel 722 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: channel and you can find all the stuff I do, 723 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: the original music. My boy, you know, it's a it's 724 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: a place where you can find out all about me. 725 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 2: It's just BRADLEYJ dot O R G B R A 726 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: l E y j A y dot org. 727 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 3: Once again. 728 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm so thankful for the opportunity to speak with all 729 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: of you once again. It feels like home because it 730 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 2: is home. Thank you Rob Brooks, and thank you producer Marita. 731 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 3: Bye.