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Speaker 2: Got a great idea for everybody to start the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Just stay right with us here on Friday night from

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Speaker 2: eight until midnight. We will get you all the way

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Speaker 2: to the weekend, which is of course Saturday morning. About

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Speaker 2: minute or two before midnight, we at the next four

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Speaker 2: great show lined up. We're going to talk with four

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Speaker 2: interesting people this Hour're going to talk with me and

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Speaker 2: I just wrote a book about Johnny Carson. Going to

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Speaker 2: talk with a former FBI count of Intelligence operative and

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Speaker 2: national security attorney about the expected release of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 2: And then we will talk with a professor journalism, professor

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Speaker 2: Quentin Schultz out of Michigan, who has just written a

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Speaker 2: book on the movie A Christmas Story, which was written

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Speaker 2: by Gene Shepherd, a great radio voice for the past.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about whether on holiday movies offer mental health benefits.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Patrick Porter will join us and during the program tonight,

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Speaker 2: as we work our way, we're going to talk with

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Speaker 2: a woman who has formed a new high school hockey

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Speaker 2: opportunity for young girls. Again, you know, we have big

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Speaker 2: supporters of girls in sports, both at high school and college.

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Speaker 2: And this is for a lot of girls who want

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Speaker 2: to play hockey, and there are as many high schools

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Speaker 2: unfairness and what's being done directified, and they will talk

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Speaker 2: with Professor Greg Stoller, Boston University's Question School of Business,

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Speaker 2: And then their twentieth hour today, I'm going to ask

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Speaker 2: you what your favorite what you must watch TV show is?

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Speaker 2: You know, I want the one that you just make

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Speaker 2: sure you watch. I have one. It's every Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: It's called Tracker. I think it's a great show and

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Speaker 2: I'd like to introduce you to it. But I also

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Speaker 2: hope some of you might suggest during the twentieth hour

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Speaker 2: your great show. So now, my name's Dan Rayam, the

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Speaker 2: host of the show. Rob Brooks, my partner in time,

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Speaker 2: if you will, is back in the studio. He is

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Speaker 2: the producer of this program. He'll begin to take your

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Speaker 2: calls right as the nine o'clock hour after the nine

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Speaker 2: o'clock News. But first off, let's get to our first

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Speaker 2: guest this hour. He's an author, Mark Malcoff. Mark has

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Speaker 2: written a book, Love Johnny Carson, One obsessive fans Journey

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Speaker 2: to find the Genius behind the legend. Great title, Mark Malcoff, Look,

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Speaker 2: you yourself have been a comedian, but you have done

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Speaker 2: really an amazing book on Johnny Carson and the Tonight Show.

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, in these divisive times,

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Speaker 2: I wish there was another Johnny Carson out there, someone

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Speaker 2: who we could all end our day with after Night's

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Speaker 2: side obviously Monday Friday. I don't want any more competition

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock hour, But guy like Johnny Carson. Will we

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Speaker 2: ever see his likes again?

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Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to see somebody for thirty

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Speaker 3: years that dominated late night in the American culture and

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Speaker 3: just had the influence that this man had, launching everyone

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Speaker 3: from David Letterman to Jay Leno. You know, I talked

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Speaker 4: Jimmy Buffett said.

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Speaker 3: Mark, You're the first one that's ever asked me about

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Speaker 3: Johnny Carson. And it was the biggest break of my career.

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Speaker 3: So it was just a collection of all these stories

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Speaker 3: and I just thought it was important to tell the stories,

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Speaker 4: It's a lost art. What Johnny did? I mean?

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Speaker 3: He was still to this day, all the late night

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Speaker 3: Late night Hosts of All Time, it's always Carson. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Babe Ruth of Date, the late knight

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Speaker 2: He started as sort of a game show in New

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Speaker 3: They were on a game show Who Do You Trust?

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Speaker 4: Have a little too much to drink.

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Speaker 3: But Johnny was a game show host and when you know,

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Speaker 3: He turns it down because nobody in television wanted the

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Speaker 3: And it took for me a little bit of time

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Speaker 3: with someone like mel Brooks. It was on Johnny's very

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Speaker 3: first show October first, nineteen sixty two, and just hear

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Speaker 2: Well, he broke so many I guess I don't know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there were definitely people with strange talents,

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Speaker 4: He was able to quit his job as a as.

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Speaker 3: A lawyer in Michigan and make more money in Las

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Speaker 3: Johnny Carson. These are the stories I got, people that

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Speaker 3: and she's showing these different potato chips and objects. Has

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Speaker 3: She has a heart attack, almost thinking Carson ate her act,

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Speaker 3: potato chips. Brilliant joke. But my point is she traveled

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Speaker 2: Now, the other thing, which is interesting, we don't script

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Speaker 2: when people went on the Johnny Carson Show, they were

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Speaker 2: going on it for a few dollars. They weren't being

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I mean back in the day when KR since first

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Speaker 3: I mean people were going for the for the publicity,

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Speaker 3: it was routinely the people would want to go on

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Speaker 3: You always wanted it to be Johnny, but you'd have

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Speaker 2: Well that's the point. Carson would come out and he'd

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Speaker 2: my recollection. He was a little bit before my time.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that was that you're you're right on the money.

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Speaker 3: The people that knew him the best, his friends, would

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Speaker 3: out with his writers, having lunches. He was out with frenzy.

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Speaker 3: He played in a poker game for decades up until

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Speaker 2: You spent what a dozen years here, interviewed four hundred people.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dre. How was it that you kind of

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Speaker 3: a kid, like five years old. Kids on the playground

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Speaker 4: It's a mad, mad mad mad mad band world.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Winners. It was just this different world. But Johnny

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Speaker 4: He would do.

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Speaker 3: Primetime anniversary shows and I record them on VHS. She

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Speaker 3: there were really these stories that were captured. I figured

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Speaker 3: guy who helped the curtain open for Johnny for twenty years,

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Speaker 3: and I always wanted wondered what went on behind the

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Speaker 4: So those were the stories that I really want to do.

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Speaker 2: What was the answer? I'm assuming he just standing to day, relaxing.

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Speaker 3: He was smoking a cigarette, telling jokes up until Ed

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Speaker 3: McMahon said here's Johnny. He'd be just around, joking around.

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Speaker 3: Because some hosts like David Letterman would need complete silence.

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Speaker 3: Everyone has a different process, but Letterman. But Carson would

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Nice to talk with you again. So there's been so

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Speaker 2: So my question is this the allegations against Epstein, and

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Speaker 5: Testimony is unsealed in the Florida case to Epstein was

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Speaker 4: The United States.

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Speaker 2: I should have had that information for this interview, and

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Speaker 2: I apologize for that. Eric O'Neil for FBI Counterintelligence Operative

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Speaker 2: National Security Attorney. Have you, I know you've done a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, I haven't written a book on the Epstein tasee.

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Speaker 5: I think if there will be many books on it,

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Speaker 5: a book called Spysfis and cyber Crime, which is a

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Speaker 5: I learned at the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that is okay. The Little Saint James, which is

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Speaker 5: Good to tuck down and seven bootes. We're going to

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Speaker 2: I suspect we'll be having you one shortly after that

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted to be joined by Professor Quentin Schultz of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: has never seen a Christmas story. I mentioned it to

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Speaker 2: my thirty year old producer today, Marita, and she was like,

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Speaker 2: over the Moon, Oh my god, I love that movie.

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Speaker 2: That's her favorite movie and her husband's favorite movie. Written

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Speaker 2: by Jeane Shepherd, who is someone who you co taught

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Speaker 2: some classes with in college and also a great storyteller,

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Speaker 2: rack On Tour whatever you like to call him. Tell

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Speaker 2: us about the movie for those few of us who

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Speaker 2: haven't watched the Christmas movie, and I will correct that

447
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Speaker 2: deficiency this weekend. About the life lessons, some of the

448
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Speaker 2: life lessons that are wrapped in this movie that has

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Speaker 2: been around now for almost fifty years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Great, Dan, So good to be on with you. Well,

451
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Speaker 7: here's the deal. I was a communication professor back in

452
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Speaker 7: the late seventies early eighties. I had listened to Gene

453
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Speaker 7: Shepherd on the radio in New York from Chicago late

454
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Speaker 7: at night, just like I can pick you up at night.

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Speaker 7: And he was a fantastic storyteller. And I was a

456
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Speaker 7: new professor, and I wanted to learn storytelling. And I

457
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Speaker 7: was also a Ham radio operator and Gene Sheppard was

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Speaker 7: a Ham radio operator. I looked him up in the

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Speaker 7: FCC database, sent him a note and said, I want

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Speaker 7: to learn storytelling from one of the best. And he

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Speaker 7: was rather stunned to gell a letter from a professor,

462
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Speaker 7: But at any rate, we formed the friendship. We co

463
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Speaker 7: taught storytelling together and we went through most of his

464
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Speaker 7: stories across many different media. A Christmas Story the movie

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Speaker 7: is made up of a number of different stories that

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Speaker 7: he had written for a publication in different places, from

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Speaker 7: Playboy magazine to a book that he came out with

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Speaker 7: in other places. It's all about a kid he wants

469
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Speaker 7: a Red Rider BB rifle for Christmas, and Jeane Shepherd

470
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Speaker 7: told stories in order to get across his view of life,

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Speaker 7: his worldview. He had a whole philosophy of life, and

472
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Speaker 7: it came through and everything. Once I learned that about him,

473
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Speaker 7: that really what he was doing is telling parables, I thought,

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Speaker 7: this is stunning. I had no idea. I knew his

475
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Speaker 7: stories were funny, but when he would tell me something

476
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Speaker 7: like this, he'd save me. One day he called me Quinn.

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Speaker 7: He said, hey, Quinn, you know that leg lamp, that

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Speaker 7: famous leg lamp in the movie.

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Speaker 5: I said yeah.

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Speaker 7: He said, well, you know that's a trophy wife. I said, what,

481
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Speaker 7: It's a trophy wife. He says, yeah, he said, he

482
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Speaker 7: said men men are that way. Men fall in love

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Speaker 7: with things. And if it's not a woman, it'll be

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Speaker 7: something else. It'll be a car. The old man loves cars,

485
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Speaker 7: and he loves a variety of things. And Ralphie falls

486
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Speaker 7: in love with this rifle that he has to have,

487
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Speaker 7: and he said, men get obsessed with these things. So

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Speaker 7: the old man wins this award. It's a major award.

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Speaker 7: He says, it's a leg lamp, you know, not worth anything.

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Speaker 7: And he brings it home and right away Mom can

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Speaker 7: tell that he's in love with this thing, and he

492
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Speaker 7: wants to put it in the front window to turn

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Speaker 7: on the neighborhood. And so she's got to figure out

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Speaker 7: a way to break this thing, and she does it.

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Speaker 2: Not the affairs, I think the book he wrote it

496
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Speaker 2: was like Eve weeding the garden.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, very few people know this, but Gene used

498
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Speaker 7: all kinds of biblical motifs too, And so what he

499
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Speaker 7: did is Mom has these plants that she's growing in

500
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Speaker 7: the front window. Uh, you know, and a lot of

501
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Speaker 7: people like to grow plants indoors and all just great.

502
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Speaker 7: And so when the character the old Man takes the

503
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Speaker 7: lamp out of the crate to set it up and

504
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Speaker 7: turn it on in the front window. He puts this

505
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Speaker 7: totally unnatural thing and this idol that he's fallen in

506
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Speaker 7: love with, he puts it right in the front window,

507
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Speaker 7: right among the plants, so he's secretive the garden of

508
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Speaker 7: Eden that the mom is growing there. This is the

509
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 7: way Gene thought about all of his stories, these deeper meanings.

510
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Speaker 7: And so what I did with the book was to

511
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Speaker 7: write a book for people who love the movie, who

512
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Speaker 7: are going to be blown away by all of these

513
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Speaker 7: things that they they'll see it. Once they see the

514
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 7: movie again, after they've read my book, they're going to say,

515
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Speaker 7: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Well. My understanding is the books available as most books

517
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Speaker 2: out to Amazon, but you also have a website which

518
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Speaker 2: you can direct people to as.

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Speaker 4: I just yeah, let me let me do it the

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Speaker 4: easy way.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I've it's the easy way, just for for you tonight.

522
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Speaker 7: I put it right on my main website. If they

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Speaker 7: want to get the book for me and they want

524
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Speaker 7: it signed, I can sign it for a friend of

525
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Speaker 7: theirs and say, you know, uh, don't shoot your eye

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Speaker 7: out or whatever. It's just Quentin Schultz q U E

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Speaker 7: n t I N q u e n t I

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Speaker 7: n Schultz Schultz has an E on the end. It's

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Speaker 7: s c h u l t z E c h

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Speaker 7: u l t z E Quintin Schultz dot com. And

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Speaker 7: I put a link down there a few hours ago,

532
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Speaker 7: and you can order a book for no more than

533
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Speaker 7: what you would pay on Amazon, and it'll come shipping

534
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Speaker 7: free and I'll sign it anyway you want and fantastic

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Speaker 7: Christmas present.

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Speaker 2: That'd be great. It was interesting you said that Shepard

537
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: was a ham radio operator. I guess he got into

538
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Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble. He was living what on

539
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Speaker 2: Santa Bell Island down in Florida, off the coast of Florida. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Santanna was a little too high for the neighborhood, for

541
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Speaker 2: the O no, the HOA, the Homeowners.

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Speaker 7: Associe H Dean didn't like rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of journalists don't like rules. Actually, yeah,

544
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Speaker 2: there you go. And I think because we're often trying

545
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Speaker 2: to work around to get to the truth of the story.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh. Professor Schultz, always great to talk with you.

547
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Speaker 2: I will watch this movie over the weekend. That's one

548
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Speaker 2: of my homework assignments to myself. I get the book,

549
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Speaker 2: you go, and we'll have you on again in longer form,

550
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll take some phone calls from people who

551
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Speaker 2: remember Jean Shepherd, who again great humorous storyteller and rock contour.

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Speaker 2: There you got it. Very few like him in the business.

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Speaker 2: So we'll make an effort and get this get you

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Speaker 2: back on before Christmas.

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Speaker 7: Okay, wonderful, Thanks so much, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Professor Quentin Schultz. And again it's Quentin q U

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Speaker 2: E N t I N easy to spell Quintin Schultz

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Speaker 2: s c h U l t z E with an

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Speaker 2: E on the end. Dot Com you'll shoot your eye

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Speaker 2: out Life lessons from the movie A Christmas Story. I'm

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Speaker 2: how I missed that movie. I don't know, but I

562
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Speaker 2: will corral it by this weekend when we get back.

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Speaker 2: We have one final guest here in our nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: hour on Nightside, and we hope that you will stick

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Speaker 2: with us. We're going to talk about the mental health

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Speaker 2: benefits of holiday movies with doctor Patrick Porter, coming back

567
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Speaker 2: on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Dr Patrick Porter, an expert

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Speaker 2: in brain health. Doctor Porter, welcome to Nightside.

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Speaker 6: Hey, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: You're an author, speaker and founder of a location, a

573
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Speaker 2: website called brain Tap. We'll talk about that in a second,

574
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Speaker 2: but I think you are going to tell us that

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Speaker 2: Hollywood movies are for mental health benefits. Experts say, my

576
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Speaker 2: favorite Christmas movie is Bad Santa. What does that say

577
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Speaker 2: about me? Only kidding, just kidding you.

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Speaker 6: Well, you might want to be living out some fantasy

579
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Speaker 6: a Christmas time or something.

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Speaker 2: My son, who's an adult, loved the movie, and I

581
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: have come to appreciate we drive other people crazy by

582
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Speaker 2: watching Bad Bad Cent with Billy Billy Bob Thornton. So uh,

583
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Speaker 2: let's talk about the legit. We just talked with an

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Speaker 2: author of a book about the movie a Christmas story

585
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: that I'm sure you're familiar with, and I think of

586
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Home Alone and all sorts of you know, Christmas movies.

587
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Speaker 2: What is it about Christmas movies that provides us with

588
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Speaker 2: I guess some mental health benefits.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's nostalgia really, I mean, you're you're thinking about

590
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: the past, but you're also longing to be in the past.

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Speaker 6: They've done neurological studies where they've taken people back and

592
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 6: actually played their same music, put them in cabins like

593
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Speaker 6: they're in the nineteen sixties, and they actually could track

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Speaker 6: to what they call telemera testing that they actually aided

595
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Speaker 6: slower and actually aged backwards. So when we're in when

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Speaker 6: we're experiencing these experience these kind of movies, our brain

597
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Speaker 6: goes through basically we're disassociated from all the real stress

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Speaker 6: and we're able to get into the kind of a

599
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Speaker 6: bubble at least for that two hours of the movie.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's very interest. Is this an area that

601
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Speaker 2: you have studied or is this an area that you

602
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Speaker 2: have just happened to come upon.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've been studying the brain and what things happen

604
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Speaker 6: to the brain and what causes the brain to stress

605
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Speaker 6: or distress for over forty years, and what we find

606
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Speaker 6: is that most people don't take enough time to do that,

607
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Speaker 6: you know. And the nice thing about the holiday movies

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Speaker 6: is most we've seen them all before. So maybe we've

609
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Speaker 6: seen them even thirty times, forty times, but we still

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Speaker 6: watch them like Christmas Vacation or whatever the movie is.

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Speaker 6: Like you said, the Bad Sannah, They've become part of

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Speaker 6: a ritual and that ritual is releasing to us because

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Speaker 6: all those other memories, it's like beads on a string.

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Speaker 6: We're not just having that one memory. We're pulling on

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Speaker 6: all those other memories, the memories with Graham and Grandpa

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Speaker 6: and brothers and sisters, when you're still playing and not

617
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Speaker 6: worrying about making car payments and house payments and things

618
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Speaker 6: like that.

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Speaker 2: So, is that what makes that set of movies, the

620
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Speaker 2: movies that are perhaps nostalgic ever different from other non

621
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Speaker 2: Christmas movies is that it's the sounds to me like

622
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Speaker 2: it's the nostalge nostalgia of Christmas, and which was always

623
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Speaker 2: such an important holiday to people when they're very young,

624
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Speaker 2: when when they they had the ability to believe, they're

625
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Speaker 2: no longer cynical. It's probably a better time of life

626
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Speaker 2: when one thinks about it.

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Speaker 6: One of the one of the worst moments in child's

628
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Speaker 6: life is when they find out there is no Santa Claus.

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Speaker 2: What you're telling me this all that kind of oh

630
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Speaker 2: no way to say, no no ways, you're going too far.

631
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Speaker 2: Next thing, you're going to be telling me there's no

632
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Speaker 2: tooth theory. Please, doctor Porter. I know you've studied this,

633
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Speaker 2: but there are children listening. Remember that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, No, that happens in the brain. The brain has

635
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Speaker 6: a cascade of different When you get one new idea

636
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: in the brain, neuroscience says you have to rewire the

637
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 6: whole brain. So imagine, up to seventy eight years, you

638
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 6: believed in Santa Claus. You believed there was this guy

639
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Speaker 6: running around in to slay all day long. Then then

640
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 6: you realize somebody tells you, it's like my daughter did

641
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Speaker 6: to my son. Unfortunately, she said, Alex, there's no Santa Claus,

642
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Speaker 6: it's Dady Clause.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's all there's always one kid. What I found

644
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Speaker 2: when my children were young, there was always one kid

645
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Speaker 2: who had like a couple of older brothers, and this

646
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Speaker 2: kid would be like in the first or second grade,

647
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Speaker 2: and he would come in with complete certitude, uh and

648
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Speaker 2: and and express his skepticism. I think all of us

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Speaker 2: as we get older, we realized there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of Santa Clauses in the world. If you get my

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Speaker 2: drift y. One of the things that I will never forget.

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Speaker 2: When our kids were young, and my son was probably

653
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Speaker 2: he's going to be embarrassed by this story, six or seven,

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Speaker 2: and it was kind of you know, on the edge there,

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Speaker 2: and uh, we had a couple of neighbors who were

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Speaker 2: always willing to come in through the front door, which

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Speaker 2: I would leave unlocked, and they would stomp around downstairs

658
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Speaker 2: and they would have, you know, bells and stuff. So

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Speaker 2: you know, from an acoustical audio point of view, it

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Speaker 2: was pretty good. So it's about eight thirty nine o'clock

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Speaker 2: at night, and all you have to do is take

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Speaker 2: your child to a window and stars sparkle, particularly on

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Speaker 2: a cold winter's night, and normally you can see Santa

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Speaker 2: Sleigh if you look up at the sparkling stars, and

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Speaker 2: that is very confirming in the minds of a young

666
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: person and particularly powerful. A few minutes later, you happen

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Speaker 2: to have You're there in the room helping them to

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Speaker 2: go to sleep, and they they hear Santa downstairs with

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Speaker 2: the jingling boots. I thought he was going to have

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Speaker 2: a heart attack at the age of seven.

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Speaker 6: Those moments are magical because we have to keep our

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00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 6: mind open to infinite possibilities. If that we have neural

673
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 6: pruning and life just gets terrible. I mean, we have

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Speaker 6: to have those moments of on wonder. I mean, if

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Speaker 6: you could wake up every morning like Christmas boarding, or

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Speaker 6: like yeah, first day at school, or you know that

677
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 6: that something wonderful is going to happen today, Your life

678
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 6: will change in ways you can't even imagine. Well, we're

679
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 6: so beat down with all the stress. So how these

680
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Speaker 6: gives us a chance to be that person?

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Speaker 2: Well, Professor Brian Green of Columbia, who we've had in

682
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Speaker 2: the program, he has a view. He wrote a book

683
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Speaker 2: called Parallel Universes, and essentially his argument is if the

684
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: concept that infinity exists, in which he believes it exists,

685
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Speaker 2: that somewhere out there, far far away, there's a radio

686
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Speaker 2: talk show host talking to a the equivalent of doctor Porter.

687
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Speaker 2: Someone whose name is doctor Porter. Looks like doctor Porter,

688
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: has the same background as doctor Porter. It's a little

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Speaker 2: bit beyond my intellectual capabilities, but I'm telling you there

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Speaker 2: are you can check them out. Doctor Brian Green, Columbia University.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great. There. Yeah, they're talking about that we

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00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 6: don't we don't render reality. We perceive reality. That's one

693
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 6: of the theories. So there's an infinite number of them,

694
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Speaker 6: and we can, depending on our beliefs and background and experiences,

695
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 6: we kind of render the reality that fits us. And

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Speaker 6: it's kind of scary, but neuroscience is proving that we

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00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 6: render ninety two percent of what we see. Anyway, we don't.

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Speaker 6: It's not really what we see, it's not really what's

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Speaker 6: out there. Our brain actually renders it because it's happening

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Speaker 6: too quickly.

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Speaker 2: How did you get this is a fascinating field. I

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Speaker 2: assume you're in effected neuroscientist? Am I correct that?

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Speaker 6: Well, well, I'm a I'm actually a psychologist. But what

704
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 6: happened was when in my early days, we were working

705
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Speaker 6: with helping people get out of pain. So we're using biofeedback.

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Speaker 6: There was no neuro feedback back then. This is in

707
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Speaker 6: the eighties, and so we were using skin temperature, respiration,

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00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 6: heart rate, these things that you could measure with the

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Speaker 6: biological system. And then all of a sudden they came

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Speaker 6: out with LEDs and we could change change the frequency

711
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Speaker 6: because you can you can meditate to a candle. A

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Speaker 6: lot of people would do that or put candles around

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Speaker 6: and they relax. The reason that's happening is every cell

714
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Speaker 6: of your body has a mirror neuron, and so that

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Speaker 6: mere neuron is going to match the environment. So the

716
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Speaker 6: candles burning a Tenhurst frequency that happens to be alpha.

717
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Speaker 6: That's a relaxing state. So that's why you have candles there,

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00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 6: and like when you're praying and things like that just

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Speaker 6: put you into the mood. It's kind of like music

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Speaker 6: and puts you into the mood. And then what we

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Speaker 6: couldn't move the candles, the fireflame we can't change. But

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Speaker 6: when LED's came out, we could take that flicker effect

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Speaker 6: they call it frequency following response. And we started noticing

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Speaker 6: the lab at lights On Research that we could change

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Speaker 6: the brain. We started a whole industry. Nobody was doing this,

726
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Speaker 6: and now we know that we can train the brain,

727
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Speaker 6: just like training muscles.

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Speaker 2: In a gym.

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Speaker 6: We can train the brain using lights on and vibration

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Speaker 6: and we can regain that youthful brain because our brain

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Speaker 6: was not designed for the life we're living right now.

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Speaker 6: This is too stressful for us. And two hundred years ago,

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Speaker 6: one thousand years, ten thousand years ago, nobody worked past

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Speaker 6: two o'clock, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean you were dealing at that point with with

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Speaker 2: wild animals and all of that. Different a different type

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Speaker 2: of stress. Now it's traffic, doctor Patrick Porter. How can

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Speaker 2: folks either get in touch with you or follow you

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Speaker 2: a little bit. What's your website. I think there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a lot of people gonna want to check it out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if they go to brain tap dot com, they'll

742
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 6: see there's a free trial there. You just hit to

743
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 6: put your credit card in. But if you don't like it,

744
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 6: if you cancel within the fifteenth day, you will not

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Speaker 6: be charged. I would I would suggest downloading it, and

746
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 6: when you do that, you actually get a link to

747
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Speaker 6: download one of my books called Thrive It Overdrive brain.

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Speaker 2: Tap b r A I n t ap dot com. Great,

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Speaker 2: we'll have you back. I always enjoy talking with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor Peter Porter. Peter, thank you, Patrick Porter.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, all right, doctor Patrick Porter a brain tap

752
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: dot com. I'm rushing. Whenever I rush, I make mistakes.

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Speaker 2: That's stress. Thank you, doctor Porter. Have a great night.

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Speaker 2: Here comes the nine o'clock news. After that, we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about girls hockey, subject we've never talked about here,

756
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: but it's very important. You'll understand. Why stay with us

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Speaker 2: if you're a young athlete,