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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna keep in the family. Joining me now

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Speaker 1: in studio. One of the greatest personalities ever in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: sports media. A pleasure to welcome back after a stint

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Speaker 1: at another station doing his own thing. Oh yeah, he

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Speaker 1: is the king of old school John Steigerwaldstaggy. Was it

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Speaker 1: time for Mike Tomon to go after nine years without

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Speaker 1: a playoff win? Maybe was past due?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think he should have gone a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago. At least. I said a while back

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Speaker 2: that he wasn't gonna get fired, he was gonna quit.

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Speaker 2: And I was right about that. I mean I said

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Speaker 2: it six seven, eight weeks ago, and you can't. There's

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Speaker 2: no way you can fire a guy if he wins

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Speaker 2: the division championship. There's not gonna fire him. They're just not.

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Speaker 2: So he won the division championship, he was not and

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Speaker 2: Art Rooney said it yesterday. He's not. He wasn't gonna

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Speaker 2: fire him. He was not leaving unless he left on

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Speaker 2: his own. He was smart to do it. Because here's

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Speaker 2: the thing. I don't hear too many people talking about.

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Speaker 2: This is huge. I think the draft is here, okay,

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Speaker 2: on nauseum, it's here, Okay, it's it's one of the

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Speaker 2: most overrated events in the history of the human race.

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Speaker 3: And will even be more so here, more height, more

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Speaker 3: just unbearable. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. The Steelers are going to be

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Speaker 2: so much in the focus, not just nationally but everything

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Speaker 2: for hum. I mean, they've already got a countdown going.

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Speaker 2: It's it's five months from now. Whatever it is that

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Speaker 2: they are, they are not. The last thing the Steelers

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Speaker 2: needed was to have a big controversy about the coach

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Speaker 2: where people going to be chanting fire Tomlin at the draft.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't have that. He couldn't be here, right. You

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Speaker 1: know what they should chant now is tank for arch. Yah,

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Speaker 1: let's let's go. Let's go three and fourteen to get

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Speaker 1: Arch manning. No, no, I I agree with that, And

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Speaker 1: it was a unique situation. See, I know they couldn't,

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Speaker 1: in the last five playoff defeats. I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: what you would to mean, it would have not been

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Speaker 1: received well, no steps at great based on optics, but

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Speaker 2: They would have had a tough time justifying it, even

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Speaker 2: though you just justified it. You know, by everybody knows

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Speaker 2: the record in the playoffs, but you know Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: People like to point to Andy Reid and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: he was with the Eagles and they got rid of him,

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Speaker 2: and they blah blah blahd he went on to Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Andy Reid was his last year in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: four and twelve. Okay, then you can fire somebody, if

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Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of hard to fire somebody after

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Speaker 2: they go ten and seven and win the division. You

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Speaker 2: can make the case. But the Steelers weren't going to

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Speaker 2: make that case. Never gonna happen, John, I've been very blunt.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Cammon won with Cowers players, leaders in culture,

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Speaker 1: and didn't do much once that faded. That's how I'll

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Speaker 1: remember him. But he's going to make the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: whether I think he should or not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that I think that became more true as the

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Speaker 1: Right right, No, when he won initially you know what

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Speaker 1: whoever wins is whoever wins. Coward didn't win his last year,

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Speaker 1: so you know, he got the team over the top,

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Speaker 1: but you're right, the further away we got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's let's you have to give the guy credit.

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Speaker 2: You can say he took Cowers players if every player

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Speaker 2: Bowl and they won. They did win the game. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he got there with the players, but he won a

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Speaker 2: second one had Rashard Mendenhall not fumbled. And like, if

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Speaker 2: he wins two, then this is a totally different conversation. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing. I keep hearing that about Rashard Mendonhall.

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Speaker 2: Just let me throw this in here. I went back

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Speaker 2: and looked at that game, the hideous fumble, no question

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Speaker 2: Nobody guaranteed that. And and they they they You think

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Speaker 3: I'll mean Blue. I just don't like Rashard Mendenhall, and

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Speaker 2: Well, then I'm go you on that.

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Speaker 3: Did you see what he said?

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Speaker 1: He tweeted, you know in defensive coach Tomlin that Tomlin

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Speaker 3: Like, okay, want to do a shot at Ben. Just

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Speaker 3: take a shot at Ben?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Bad quarterback play? Yeah yeah, I thought Ben did did

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Speaker 1: pretty good. How strong is Steelers ownership right now? Because

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Speaker 1: they intend to take the same path in hiring a coach,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think these roonies are those Rooneyes. I

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Speaker 3: I don't trust these roonies like I did those.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm well, there's no reason to dan Art Rooney

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Speaker 2: shown he's a he's a good guy. I was always

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Speaker 2: It's always been nice to me. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: No, no, been I've written that three times. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: he's not. And and like you see, I don't care

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Speaker 2: Thing doesn't matter if we're talking about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you read the Fabos story where he talked

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Speaker 1: They all love Tomlin, and I get that, and I

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Speaker 1: But like, I don't care that they.

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Speaker 3: Love each other, and why should anybody they.

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Speaker 2: They didn't win enough under Mike Tomlin and well maybe

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Speaker 2: they loved them a little too much.

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Speaker 3: Is that possible?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 1: See, I thought he loved them a little too like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, he didn't have staggy control. No, look

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Speaker 3: Am I right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They Who was the When was the video in the

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Speaker 2: I think he stuck his face in there himself. He

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Speaker 3: Threw him in there. I mean, you know, and he

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Speaker 3: I don't think he knew. I'm sure any coach, I

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Speaker 3: mean his player friendly as Tomlin was. You know, that

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Speaker 1: What kind of coach should they hires Staggy because there's

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Speaker 1: obviously a blueprint, like I just said, dating back to

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Speaker 1: would hire Stefanski, especially with Art saying we want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't. I don't know about Stefanskip. That

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Speaker 2: that I haven't thought about him. Is this is not

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Speaker 2: hire anybody with prior head coaching experience. And here's an

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Speaker 2: incredible fact. The last time they hired a former NFL

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Speaker 2: head coach was Buddy Parker. Yeah, in nineteen fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, give me a little clue. I

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Speaker 2: gonna go get a defensive coordinator in his thirties and

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Speaker 2: he's gonna, you know, have win, go to a couple

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, Mark, This is the thing that

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Speaker 2: that matter. This thing about the standard is the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: It's not a success unless we win the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: This goes for all the teams. People underestimate how ridiculously,

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Speaker 2: ridiculously rare championships are in every sport. Yeah, Steelers have won,

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Speaker 2: least the NFL. Yeah, you know how many championships the

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Speaker 2: that's two more than the Pirates, okay and the Penguins. Look,

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Speaker 2: and I think I was talking to Paul about this

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Speaker 2: He said, people don't understand what to read just a

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Speaker 2: three Cups with Sydney Crosby. It's just, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: If but that was a six team league or a

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Speaker 1: So no, I totally agree. But getting back to the

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Speaker 1: saying it won't work. I'm just saying they seem to

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Speaker 3: Now, maybe they'll do just that.

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Speaker 1: But right now, unless I miss my con here, of

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Speaker 1: the seventh candidates they've asked permission to interview, six are

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Speaker 2: Well they're gonna it's played defense and run the ball.

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Speaker 3: And they couldn't do either for the last how many years?

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Speaker 2: And if we put this in a time capsule and

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Speaker 2: they're looking for a coach, they'll be talking about playing

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Speaker 2: defense and running the ball. That's what we got to do,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna do. That's the key thing.

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Speaker 1: Look, the league now is about I always say there's

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Speaker 1: three words that describe the league now, score more faster, yep.

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Speaker 2: And and that's why I put up on X the

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Speaker 2: other day that the coach may not even be the

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Speaker 2: number one priority. It might be priority one A because

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Speaker 2: court quarterback. Yeah, they if they went out and got

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Speaker 2: if all of a sudden Mahomes decided he wanted to

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Speaker 2: become a lot less important, wouldn't it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: if the I don't care who they get the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's when I say tank for Art.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you believe that Arch Manning is the

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Speaker 1: then you know, here's what I keep saying. I hear

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Speaker 1: Now you know about the Defebo story where he basically

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Speaker 1: Now that that streak that Tomlin had, which like I said,

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Speaker 1: Like I thought, the most valuable thing that Tom Win

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Who was the better coach? Kwor or Tomlin

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Speaker 2: think I've made the statement at one point that Tomlan

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Speaker 2: I was wrong. Well that could regress, Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, he gets criticized for losing a lot of

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Speaker 2: He thought he thought it'd be nice to go in

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Speaker 2: Dan Rooney. Dan Rooney said, no, we're taking the quarterback, right,

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Speaker 2: And that that's when I when I judged Tom Kyleer

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Speaker 3: But that, you know what really has hurt the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, and I'm a Bill fan, and

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Speaker 1: About the Cower excuse me, the Tomlin regime was he

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Speaker 2: He led the NFL in rushing. He never he never

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Speaker 3: Them on audiobook. What's going on with that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's out there right now. I have a list here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what these things are, but this Apple books,

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Speaker 3: These are great books.

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Speaker 1: It's it's basically your memoirs, but with the with the

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Speaker 1: really what's the word I'm looking for, like really accessible

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Speaker 2: But one of the best compliments I got from people

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Speaker 3: No, I quite In fact, that might be where my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because you could pick it up, you could

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Speaker 2: What happened was my brother Bill and my brother Paul,

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Speaker 2: I what am I gonna write a book about? My brother?

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Speaker 2: Bill said, just sit down and do an outline what

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Speaker 1: That's Don Stegerwald. Just watch the game. Just watch the

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Speaker 1: game Part two coming out in audiobook up next. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna replay that Michelle Terran interview. And then we got

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Speaker 1: one oh five to nine tonight when you got a

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Speaker 1: We got Michelle Terryan on in just a couple of

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Speaker 1: he said the Penguins were soft, which really was like

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Speaker 7: You know, it's like, are we gonna be happy to

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Speaker 7: fifty to fifty percent of the time, that's enough. That

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Speaker 7: They soft like I never see a bunch of defensemen

434
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Speaker 7: suff like this. So you know they put the two

435
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Speaker 7: combinations and they want to get their noses pay. There's

436
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Speaker 7: a lot of guy don't care. They pretend to care,

437
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 7: but I know they don't care.

438
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Speaker 2: What's the solution.

439
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Speaker 7: What's a solution? Then a fine solution.

440
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Speaker 2: Shows is this the first team like this that you've

441
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Speaker 2: uh that you hadn't worked with?

442
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,959
Speaker 7: But it's a game of emotion, it's a game of

443
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Speaker 7: hard work, it's a game of passion. You know they're

444
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Speaker 7: say the COVID tew what he did at the other day.

445
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Speaker 7: There's no one guy's closed to do something. Maybe maximize,

446
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 7: but at the end, with one second left, it's about

447
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 7: fight for eight? Did did Did they think that? As

448
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 7: a coach that I got the feeling that team cared

449
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Speaker 7: for each other?

450
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: Wow?

451
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 7: You know, try to have a good ambience, you know

452
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 7: with the team yesterday?

453
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Speaker 5: Y m hm.

454
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Speaker 7: So I guess we're gonna have to come back with

455
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Speaker 7: the old recipe.

456
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Speaker 5: You know.

457
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 7: It's like they make my jum miserable. So it's a

458
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 7: give and take what can I do? And going on

459
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Speaker 7: the road, you know for three games that I'm so

460
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Speaker 7: dissipa about lots of guying, very disappointed because they don't care.

461
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 7: You take care, you know. Tonight it looks like man's

462
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 7: against boys.

463
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Speaker 1: Hey Mark Bardy flirt per former, so much better than

464
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Speaker 1: Mark Mark.

465
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Speaker 7: You know, he's been good for us. Thank gun, thank you.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say now what I said then, Yeah, Man's

467
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: against boys the man himself, but Seltarry next the one

468
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Speaker 1: O five nine?

469
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Speaker 3: Find yourself needing a little post holiday cap? Did you

470
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Speaker 3: pay the gas bill? The X as your shot at

471
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Speaker 3: extra cat read so be it baby the X at

472
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Speaker 3: one twenty years ago?

473
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Speaker 1: My guess right now, I gave the Pittsburgh Penguins equivalent

474
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: of the Gettysburg address. It will live forever. You heard it,

475
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: We just played it. Let's welcome to the program. Former

476
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: Penguins coach Michelle Terry and Mike, it's good to talk

477
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: to it. Only seems like yesterday you did that ramp.

478
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: But it's twenty years and.

479
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 5: We all remember it.

480
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Speaker 1: We all remember it. Are you surprised that the legend

481
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Speaker 1: lives on?

482
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Speaker 5: Surprise? First of all, it's days talking to you. It's

483
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 5: been a long time. Surprise, Yes, and no, you know,

484
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 5: so it's almost like every year now it's twenty years ago.

485
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 5: So but I'll say, like the last five six years,

486
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 5: every time we get to that anniversary, you know, they

487
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 5: still put it on. So I can believe the times

488
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 5: go so fasted in twenty years. And it was a

489
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Speaker 5: tough night to be quite honest, But I'm glad. I'm

490
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 5: glad I did it honestly well.

491
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Speaker 1: And to be clear, you knew exactly what you were

492
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Speaker 1: saying and doing. I didn't hear, but you said, watch

493
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: this like the Tom McMillan some of the Penguins pr

494
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: people right before, but.

495
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: We didn't know that.

496
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: More importantly, the players didn't know that there was a

497
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: definite message there.

498
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Speaker 5: Correct, Oh, for sure, I was prepared for a week.

499
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 5: I you know what, Mark I was coming up from

500
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 5: the American League. We get in Wicksbury, We got quite

501
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 5: successfully there and we reached the final We established writer

502
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 5: with the culture of our team when I got there,

503
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: and I'm moving on to Pittsburgh, and I knew exactly

504
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 5: what's going on when me, your coach and the minors.

505
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 5: To be quite honest, you know what's happening with the

506
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 5: team with the team in the NHL, because there's some

507
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 5: called up and the guys are getting sitting down. So

508
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 5: every time they get sitting down, you get a meeting

509
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: with them and you kind of get the feeling with

510
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 5: what's happening with with with the big teams. So there

511
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 5: was some players was really honest with me, didn't liked

512
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 5: and they did not like the way that thing was going.

513
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 5: And honestly, I didn't like this what I saw because

514
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: I was watching him again that was part of this organization,

515
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 5: and I didn't like what I saw on TV. So

516
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 5: when I moved on to Pittsburgh, well, I try to

517
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 5: change things from the inside, try to change a system

518
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: that's not always easy. During the regular season, because a

519
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: lack of practice at time. And but I'm going to

520
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: tell you something, uh me and Mike you when we

521
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: came in, First of all, I didn't keep any assistant coaches.

522
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 5: One of the reason why I don't believe in that

523
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 5: because sometimes when you keep one or two, especially one guy, well,

524
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 5: the players who were there, they gotta go see that

525
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 5: all assistant coach and they're gonna complain to him about

526
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 5: what we try to do. So it was only me

527
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 5: and my heel and we worked extremely hard to prepare

528
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: the team and we have no results. And that fastremely

529
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: quite a lot about the effort that team was putting

530
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 5: on the ice and the lack of intensity, the lack

531
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 5: of emotion. They were just going through through motion and

532
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 5: win or lose. It did not affect them. It was like, Okay,

533
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 5: I showed up, I play my game, I move on

534
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: and we go to the next game. So, uh, I

535
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: try to be positive. Quite a few times, I did

536
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 5: my teaching. I tried to support them, and after that

537
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 5: I try and change my recipe. But from the inside,

538
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 5: people will not see what was going on behind the scene.

539
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 5: And I was waiting. I was prepared to that statement

540
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 5: about a week ago. I let the management know. I said,

541
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 5: we're going nowhere. I mean, if I keep going the

542
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 5: same way I did. I was. I was a young

543
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: coach at the time, you know, jail so so great.

544
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: Philosophy was pretty simple. I break it, fix it and

545
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 5: move let's let's move on. And I'm glad I did

546
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 5: it because I saw a result after the long result.

547
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 5: It's not when you're doing one of those things, it's

548
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 5: not a short result. But the next game, even if

549
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 5: we lost a few games in a row, but the

550
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 5: next game, I could tell the guy start to care

551
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: about each other. They were they were in a fight.

552
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: Well no, let me let me interrupt, Mike. You played

553
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Columbus the next game and you lost. But there were

554
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: five fights in involving a lot of the younger guys,

555
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: and clearly the younger guys got the message and that's

556
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: who mostly was for.

557
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 5: Correct Well, you know I tried to. They got five fight, yes,

558
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 5: But the purpose of everything it was I was attacking

559
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: the integrity. You know, It's like and this is the

560
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 5: respond right away. So it was not a matter of

561
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: win or losing. It was about, hey, I got to

562
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 5: show up that I please, that I care, and when

563
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 5: you have a group that start to care about each other,

564
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 5: and now you could start to build something when you don't.

565
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: When you have the group that they don't care about

566
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: each other, it's pretty damn hard to uh to build

567
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: something solid and to change the culture. And the next game,

568
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 5: right from the face off, we saw we saw I

569
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 5: think it was a ride along guy in a fight.

570
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 5: And after that next shift, I can't remember who Andre was,

571
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: and but I felt, I felt that they care about

572
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 5: each other. So that was that was the first step.

573
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: That was just the first step.

574
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Speaker 1: We're talking about sel Terrrian, former Penguins coach here on

575
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: one O five ninety X Mike. One thing I loved

576
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: about about the rant And I was there in the

577
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: room and I didn't know what was coming.

578
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: But you didn't yell, You didn't yell.

579
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: It was very measured, and I thought that made it

580
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: all the more serious. I thought that gave it more impact.

581
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: Yeah. Like I was walking down to the press conference

582
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: and I was with Tommy, Tommy, and and like Tommy

583
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: is doing such a great job to prepare me for

584
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: a present every time I met the media, and I

585
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 5: kind of know what direction that and they did, they

586
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: did the same thing in Montreality. He's preparing me. He's

587
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 5: going to receive that type of question. But you know,

588
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 5: so I said, tell me, I said, watch me. I

589
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: don't even remember the question. It was not about the question.

590
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 5: It was about my statement and especially that game against

591
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 5: a clienter. What could a chuck get to sid and

592
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: after his score, his corona power play. It's was the

593
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: reaction on the bench. It's not normal that nobody react

594
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 5: or it seems mad. It was like, okay, and we're

595
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: talking about Sidney Crosby. I don't care. It's eighteen years old.

596
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 5: He's tried to establish himself in the NH hell and uh,

597
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 5: but easier. He's the next it was he was, he

598
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: was the next Mariola new You know, when I came

599
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 5: in in Pittsburgh, one of the one of the first

600
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 5: move that I did, I want to I want to

601
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 5: bring some younger the some one of those young kids

602
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: to Pittsburgh. And uh, I gave a NIA on the

603
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 5: jersey to say because one of the first move that

604
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 5: I did, try to send the message to the team

605
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: that hey, we're building, we try to we try to

606
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: build something for the future. And h didn't get much

607
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: response from veteran players and and the young kids. You know,

608
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 5: they kind of just following up. You know, the pattern

609
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 5: of the guys are been established in the NHL. So

610
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: I got to do something because we were going right

611
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: to the wall, and I have nothing to lose. Mark

612
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: could be quite honest. I have nothing to lose because

613
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 5: if I didn't do nothing, my feeling was at the end,

614
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: I want to get fired. So they were going to

615
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: move on. So I said, well, I'm gonna do it

616
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 5: my way. We're going to find solution. And I was calm,

617
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 5: like you said, because I was prepaired. I was prepared

618
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: for a week. I was just waiting the right time

619
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: to doing it. And like I said, the question, don't

620
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: ask me. What was the question? I don't remember. The

621
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 5: question was not important. It wasn't My statement wasn't.

622
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Hey, Mike, there was no question when Lincoln made the

623
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Gettysburg address, but he still got the point across. And

624
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: just to clarify for those don't remember, Covile Chuck frent

625
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Land had scored a power play goal with sitting in

626
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the box and pointed at him after the goal and

627
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: the Penguins had no response for that. Now it's worth

628
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: noting that you guys lost thirteen of the next fourteen

629
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: after that, but things did get more positive. The team

630
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: did stick together and a lot of those guys went

631
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: on the bigger and better like like Stanley Cups, like

632
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Flurry Gaunt, Shark Crosby.

633
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: They won that team. Talbot Kolbe Armstrong was on that team.

634
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: So the guys who needed to get the message I

635
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: think really did.

636
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely right, you know. And like I said, we

637
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 5: didn't sell the result on the eyes with win our losses,

638
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: but I saw the effort was better. I saw the intensity,

639
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 5: the care for each other a little bit better. And

640
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 5: close to the end of the year we have non

641
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 5: number the last one and gave me close almost thiight

642
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: or five hundred. So were established and with look mark

643
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: the first game there were nine thousand people in the stand.

644
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: So that was Dove Brad new. This is like it

645
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: wasn't about like three or four years that that team

646
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 5: was going to their wrong direction and it was just

647
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 5: like some time you could add at that season and

648
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: next year, okay, everything's going to be fine. This is

649
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 5: something was pretty soldid established in that organization. So I

650
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: needed to change. I needed to change the culture I

651
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 5: need to change a lot of things. And at the end,

652
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 5: by the end of the year, we were sold out

653
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 5: and the year and we established something for the upcoming season.

654
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: And the upcoming season, I think we got forty seven

655
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: wins and we reached we reached the playoffs. And two

656
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 5: years after with a really young team, I think again

657
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 5: we were close to fifty wins and we reached a

658
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 5: Study Cup final. So they got the message, you know,

659
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: because they they end up to be a group that

660
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 5: I love coaching, and they care about each other, and

661
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 5: they became winners, and that's the most important thing to

662
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: add a winning attitude. This is why, this is what

663
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 5: I tried to do with those with those guys.

664
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: What was your favorite line of the rant? Looking back?

665
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Like you said soft a bunch of times, which people

666
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of latched on too. But my favorite part was,

667
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, they say they care, but I know

668
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: they don't. When you did that, I liked to hide

669
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: my face in the press conference because I almost cracked.

670
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 5: Up the truth. That was the truth. You know. It's

671
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 5: like a player, We're all going to say the right things,

672
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 5: you know, so, but I know you didn't care winning.

673
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: You're losing. You could tell by their aratitude actor a game.

674
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: You could tell there was a few guys care they

675
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 5: would but not enough. If I could count on my

676
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 5: fingers that every time we lose a game, it really

677
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 5: hurts me. When I was coaching, you know, your bread

678
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: and butter, it's if your team is gonna win the

679
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 5: game or not. You know, I'm a sour loser and

680
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 5: I hate to lose. So, uh, we're losing game, I'm

681
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: going back home and I'm freaking. Uh, I'm thinking about

682
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 5: what can I what can I do the next day?

683
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 5: What can I I'm still like the thinking, thinking thinking,

684
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 5: you know, it's like, uh, should we change this? Should

685
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 5: we do this? So it's like, uh, thank god, I

686
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 5: got a great assistant coach at the time, was a

687
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 5: young coach, Mikey always stood in the NHL. I got

688
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: a lot of respect for him, and uh, he had

689
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 5: the same attitude of me. You know, he hate he

690
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: hate losing, so so we both both of them. We

691
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: we worked ass off and uh to try to prepare.

692
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: And then it's so frustrating when you put so much

693
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: effort and you got like almost three quarters a team

694
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 5: that you feel that they don't care and I got

695
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: a pretty good feeling about who was caring about winning

696
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: and who was not. So that's why I needed a change,

697
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: just I needed to change your attitude about winning and losing.

698
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 5: I want them to have the winning attitude. And when

699
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: you get the winning attitude and you get passion, you're

700
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 5: always going to do the little extra you know, like

701
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 5: blocking a shot, take a hit, to make a play.

702
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 5: And when you don't care, you pretend to try to

703
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 5: block the shot. You know, but you you know, you

704
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: pretend to be first on pack, but don't you don't

705
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: do it yet. So there was a lot of tign

706
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 5: that's showing me that they didn't. It didn't really matter

707
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 5: because after the game, they go to the gym, they

708
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 5: do what they have to do and they have fun

709
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: the laughing, and we end up losing a game and

710
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 5: me and Mike Hill were in the office and we

711
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 5: were beating yourself because we just lost the game. And

712
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 5: I know, I know I'll be reacting in the gym

713
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 5: or the reaction in the dressing room. It's like summer hockey.

714
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 5: So we're going nowhere.

715
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: So I have changed everything, Well, it did change everything. Mike.

716
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad to talk to you again. Great, great to

717
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: speak after all these years. Do you still drink White Russians?

718
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't drink. I don't drink anymore. You know.

719
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 5: I've never been a big drinker.

720
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: No, I know.

721
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: But if you remember, you would sometimes when you were

722
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: the interim coach, you were staying at the Marion, you

723
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: would see the media down at the steel Head afterwards.

724
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and uh but yeah sometime I

725
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 5: was going and we talked to the people and stuff

726
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: like that. But uh, uh do you change?

727
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Do you miss coaching? You haven't coached in almost ten years?

728
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: Do you miss it?

729
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 5: Yeah? You know what? I got the honored to represent

730
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 5: my country coaching team Canada. The Sprenger Cup Mont version

731
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 5: was a GM called me an Hva, I said, has

732
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 5: seen me? I want to be what that was this year? Yeah?

733
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 5: This year?

734
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't, Mike, forgive me. I didn't know.

735
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: I know a lot of college kids represented the US.

736
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: But that's awesome. That must have been great.

737
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, we beat them. But I'm telling you

738
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 5: we we beat them on our first game, and I

739
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 5: was impressed. I was really interested about the US team.

740
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 5: They were first of all, they were all from college

741
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 5: drafted like twenty one and twenty two years old, and

742
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: I'm sure some of those kids at the end of

743
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: their column season this year probably would end up in

744
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 5: the NHL, like if you are doing and maybe, like

745
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 5: I told Mark Berger, I had the time when I

746
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 5: were there, I said, geez, maybe half of those kale,

747
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 5: half of those players will have a decent career in

748
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: the NHL. So it was a great experience. It was

749
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: part of to be quite honest, Mark, it was part

750
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 5: of my bucket list and to go call the Spanda Cup.

751
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 5: It's a great tournament. It's a great experience and coaching

752
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 5: is always fun. But after I coach in Montreal, I

753
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: worked in the media for three years and I sent

754
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 5: a three year contract with TV Sports. I was at

755
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 5: four times, four times a week. Uh. I was on

756
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 5: TV or in the Montreal paper. So but I decided

757
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 5: to stop and UH and take it easy and enjoy

758
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 5: retirement a little bit. So and when that opportunity came

759
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 5: to coach Canteen Canada the Dexperiment Cup with Mark Version

760
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 5: remain that I had a lot of respect and uh,

761
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 5: well worked five years together in Montreal. So I jump

762
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 5: on it and we've got a great time, Mike.

763
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Great to speak with you again. Great to relive those memories.

764
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I hope I talked to you again and thanks. It

765
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: was awesome to just to just look back.

766
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 5: It was great, which was great, great talking to you. Yeah,

767
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 5: like always, that.

768
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: Is the great Michelle Arian. He does care, and he

769
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: says he does. And it's time to ask Mark anything.

770
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: Eight three three four one two w xdx eight three

771
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: three four one two w xdx.

772
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 3: It's the Mark Madden Show one O five to nine.

773
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: It's the Woody Show, way better than NDR weekday mornings.

774
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 7: At six on one of them.

775
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: X hear from the lady called d X at one.

776
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: I'd a ass Mark anything eight three three four one

777
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: two wxdx, like I said right before we had Iron

778
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: mic on and boy was that great. I got a

779
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: little skirmish with JJ Watt on Twitter because he didn't

780
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: like that the Steelers locker room spilled for that great

781
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: story to Fabo wrote, I thought he said it shouldn't

782
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: have been written. He corrected me in condescending fashion and

783
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: said the player shouldn't have talked, and I went back

784
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: at him and equally condescending fashion, saying I didn't understand

785
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: what you said you work in the media, now do

786
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: better or words that effect always great to communicate with

787
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: with the Watt family. And if I'd have taken my time,

788
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 1: I would have got a gym teacher reference in there.

789
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: And of course so many of you think that anything

790
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: an athlete says should be worshiped. Shut up, fatso, You're like,

791
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: he acknowledged you, Fatso.

792
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: You know what.

793
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't have a brother, but if I had a

794
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: fictional one, if I kind of fantasized about that, some

795
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: people have a pretend friend. My pretend brother would have

796
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: won the same amount of playoff games as JJ wats

797
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: real brother, and Jada didn't win enough either anyway. Down

798
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: now eight three three four one two w XDX. Let's

799
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: go to Blake in Chapel Hill. Blake, what's up?

800
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 6: Good?

801
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: I said, good day?

802
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 5: Uh babe.

803
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 6: Best condiments for hamburger?

804
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

805
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: I use ketchup and onions, unless it's a cheeseburger, then

806
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I like a one sauce or barbecue sauce.

807
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: Heines.

808
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Of course, only only Hines, as our ad campaign says,

809
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: Hines is the only ketchup of record.

810
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

811
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: If it's a blue cheese burger, that's even a little

812
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: bit different. If it's a bacon berger, that's even a

813
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: little bit different. But to go to really for anything,

814
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: but specifically just the regular old Hamburger, heinz ketchup and onions.

815
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to Greg, Greg gask mark anything.

816
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: Hey Mark, that was a really good interview with Michelle Darian.

817
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: This is really out there. Did you have you heard

818
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: this theory that he learned his coaching style playing for

819
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: the Sheerbrook Canadians and being coached by Pierre Kramer.

820
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I never heard that, and I wish

821
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: I'd known to ask him, although it would have been

822
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of out of context what we were talking about.

823
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: But I was around when Kramer coached the Penguins. I

824
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: was around when Mike coach the Penguins. Mike was a

825
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: much better coach than Kramer. For that better, Mike was

826
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: a much better coach than Dan Bosma, who succeeded him

827
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: and won the Stanley Cup. But uh, but the players

828
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: just got tired of Mike. He had worn them out

829
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: as as was Mike style quite honestly. But Mike was

830
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: a really good coach and that was great to Rea

831
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: connect with him.

832
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 3: Let's go to Buffalo Bill Buffalo Bill.

833
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: You're on with double M one Mark.

834
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 6: This isn't my question, but side question. Is it Michelle

835
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: Terran or Mike Terry?

836
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: Well? I always called him Mike. Everybody called him Mike,

837
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Iron Mike. But but yeah, his name is Michelle Terran,

838
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: but everybody called him.

839
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 6: Mike because I think I've heard you say Michael Terry

840
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 6: and two the I thought it was Michelle.

841
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what I've said, but but but he's

842
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: Iron Mike to me.

843
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 6: Okay, well, here's my question. Have you ever met Vince

844
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 6: McMahon in person?

845
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did business with him.

846
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: I met, I had a meeting with him when I

847
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: agreed to rewrite Ric Flair's autobiography, which the original author

848
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: had badly mangled. That was a w project. So I

849
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: met with Vince, Rick and Triple H. And I'd interviewed

850
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Vince a couple times before for the Post Gazette as well.

851
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 6: Have you kept in contact with him since?

852
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: No, Let's go to Mike. Yeah, Vince and I talk

853
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: all the time. We text, were buddies. Let's go to Mike. Mike.

854
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: What's up?

855
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 5: What up?

856
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 6: Mine?

857
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

858
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 6: I mean, do you think whenever Rogers said, I'm sorry

859
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that insinuated that maybe Tomlin was pushed out

860
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 6: a little bit.

861
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all.

862
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I think that Rogers was taking responsibility for his part

863
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: in the team losing the Houston and I don't know.

864
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean, some could say they underachieved on the season.

865
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I think given the roster, they finished about right where

866
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: could have been expected. But no, just sorry that Tomlin

867
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Speaker 1: was was quitting for whatever reason and maybe, you know,

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