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Speaker 1: Tell you what does stop, unfortunately is Tech Tuesday with

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Speaker 1: rich Dmurrow. Wish we could do that forever because I

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Speaker 1: have so many questions.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, rich Oh thanks Bill. I thought you said

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Speaker 2: it's going to stop. I was like, oh, wow, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, unfortunately it's going to stop because we are limited.

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Speaker 1: When we talk about these lawsuits for crazy those are

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Speaker 1: not limited. The amount of time we have together is limited.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was going. You know that anyone can

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Speaker 1: sue for anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when it's that kind of high level thing,

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Speaker 2: that's a whole other world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the Texas Attorney General doing it. It's

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Speaker 1: not just some crazy ass guy out there. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's get into our stuff because I think this actually

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Speaker 1: is more fun. And so let's talk about fake AI receipts. Now,

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Speaker 1: what is that about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and this is something that's been kind

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Speaker 2: of going on for a bit. And now there's a

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Speaker 2: port from the Financial Times that businesses are getting tricked

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Speaker 2: by these AI generator receipts. And we know that if

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Speaker 2: you do expense reports. Number one, they're annoying. Number two,

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Speaker 2: they require a lot number three, A lot of it's

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Speaker 2: automated because these companies have seated control to these giant

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Speaker 2: concurs of the world and things like that, and employees

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Speaker 2: are now apparently submitting ultra realistic fake expense receipts thanks

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Speaker 3: And so one of these software companies ramps As.

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Speaker 2: They flagged over a million dollars in fake receipts in

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Speaker 2: just ninety days. And they look really real, So the

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Speaker 2: AI can even make them look like they're wrinkled paper.

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Speaker 2: They can put signatures on them, and people, you know

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Speaker 2: these AI companies, they put like a watermark in them

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Speaker 2: so that you can't really submit them because the software

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Speaker 3: So what do the employees do.

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Speaker 2: They just screenshot it or take a picture of it

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Speaker 2: with their phone and they get around that. So this

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Speaker 2: is a huge issue, I think for companies, and it's

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Speaker 2: something that I if you're an employee and you're doing this,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you would do this because you

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Speaker 2: don't want to get caught doing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have a question, why can't anybody use

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Speaker 1: existing technology and just put in a fake expense report?

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Speaker 1: Or are you talking about providers that putting that in

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Speaker 1: there and getting money sent to them for products they

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Speaker 1: didn't send into the company, didn't sell the company.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who is doing this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's the employees that are going on

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Speaker 2: company travel and so they are they're padding. It's it's

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Speaker 2: kind of a new way of what's been going on forever,

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Speaker 2: which is padding the expense report, right, except this time

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Speaker 2: it's ultra realistic. And because I think the the idea

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Speaker 2: here is because AI is fact checking the expense reports

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Speaker 2: before they go for payment. Majority of the time, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that AI just looks at the receipt says, oh,

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Speaker 2: that looks good, and it passes it through. So but

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Speaker 2: even say concur which you know, they scan a lot

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Speaker 2: of these receipts, one of their executives said, you can't

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Speaker 2: And so my question is, if you're an employee doing this,

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Speaker 3: So probably not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's just another way of stealing money.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming right, you pitch in a fake report, which

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Speaker 1: people do all day long and until they don't. I

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is AI just makes it easier for

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Speaker 3: It makes this It makes it very easy.

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Speaker 2: And I remember seeing a story about this a couple

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Speaker 2: and this was before the AI image generators have gotten

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Speaker 2: of these receipts and I could not believe my eyes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was so good that it's like, oh

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Speaker 2: and so maybe they recreate it, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, some other people just realize that

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Speaker 2: you can just make this very simple.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Rich anti recognition glasses. I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: that means other than I don't recognize you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So imagine you put these glasses on and you try

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Speaker 2: not work. That's what we're talking about here. So this

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Speaker 2: is a company called Zeny Optical. They've come out with

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Speaker 2: a sign of our times. So the coding on these glasses,

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Speaker 2: which is a subtle pink so that you know, you

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Speaker 2: this stuff, reflects up to eighty percent of near infrared light,

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Speaker 2: very simply by trying face idea on your phone or

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Speaker 3: They will not work.

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Speaker 2: So the idea here is that you wear these glasses,

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Speaker 3: So you can.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're completely anonymous when you wear these,

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Speaker 2: but it's just one step in kind of protecting your identity.

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Speaker 1: I know, there's entire industries that are anti where technology

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, we're going to fight that and it seems

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Speaker 1: like it's one industry following another industry. So if you

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Speaker 1: don't want your face right, if you don't want facial

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Speaker 1: need glasses with these playing lenses with no prescription, and

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Speaker 3: Fine, Do I have that right? Yes? Huh?

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Speaker 1: Is it easier just to wear like ninja ninja masks

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Speaker 1: and you know those cost six those cost six bucks.

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Speaker 2: It's simpler than the ninja mask because this still lets

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Speaker 2: people see your eyes. But it's just you know, look,

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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to what you said to

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Speaker 3: And I think that you know, is.

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Speaker 2: This a bit of a ploy to get people to

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Speaker 2: spend money on these glasses they may or may not need.

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Speaker 2: Is this really protecting your you know, your facial identification?

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Speaker 3: Like who knows?

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Speaker 2: But the reality is that we see this stuff happen

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Speaker 3: And I think it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: We've heard over and over bill that they use this

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Speaker 2: this is you know, because I love technology, so anywhere

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Speaker 2: now mentioning that they are using some sort of automated

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Speaker 2: they're they're figuring out like, oh, okay, this person comes in.

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Speaker 2: They may not have a name to you just yet,

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Speaker 2: eventually they could layer that with some sort of third

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Speaker 2: party database and figure out, hey, this is Rich he's

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Speaker 2: in here every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Hey, are we reaching the point where you know, For example,

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Speaker 1: China uses face recognition basically for every single citizen. They

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Speaker 1: with technology, which I don't understand because they look all

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Speaker 1: the same to me. But you've got an entire country

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Speaker 1: doing this. Are we heading in that direction? You think

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Speaker 2: I think it's already happening. I think that it's already happening.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, look, when I travel, I go from

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Speaker 2: most cases, without even showing any ID. I mean, when

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Speaker 3: If you've already prepaid, it opens the gate.

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Speaker 2: You go into the LAX, you've got facial recognition, You

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Speaker 2: walk up to a camera, it snaps a picture of you.

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Speaker 2: It says, okay, you're rich Demiro. The gate opens up,

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Speaker 2: you go in. When you enter the other country, you

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Speaker 2: come on in. So we're already living in a society

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Speaker 2: where the government already knows who you are. They've got

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Speaker 2: your biometrics, they've got your face, and you know, we've

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Speaker 2: the private companies that are catching up to this, they

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Speaker 2: reclaim some of my privacy.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, that's going to be possible in the future.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, how do you do that without legislation,

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Speaker 1: without laws that tell these companies and these organizations you

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Speaker 3: And you're right. It just occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: as I'm taking my passport out, the TSA person or

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Speaker 1: in this case, the customs and the customs people say no, no,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of floored. And there's my picture. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's is there such thing as a good looking

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Speaker 1: picture on driver's licenses or any of this? Uh, any

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Speaker 3: I mean, I you can't drive you.

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Speaker 1: In yours, because yeah you can for your driver's license.

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Speaker 1: You can say, well, you take another one. Let you

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't let me look. They just said that's okay,

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Speaker 3: you're good.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you ask Hey, can I take a look.

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Speaker 1: Do you mind if I take a look, Because it's

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Speaker 1: a digital take somebody, you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna you're gonna gum up the system. They got to

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Speaker 3: get people there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But then they have to they take

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Speaker 1: the picture because what if someone blinks, what if someone

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Speaker 2: They look for that, they they all they're looking for

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Speaker 2: is just to make sure that the measurements for biometrics

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 2: They don't care if you have you know, if you

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Speaker 2: look good.

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Speaker 1: talking about that. Yeah, I think we're on different pages here.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the driver's licenses photos. That's where I

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Speaker 1: was going. Okay, okay, I'm glad we missed each other

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Speaker 1: and two ships passing in the night. Rich, we'll catch

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Speaker 1: you at this Saturday, eleven am to two pm right

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Speaker 1: here on KFI.

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Speaker 3: You have a good win. Thank you, you got it.