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Speaker 1: The talk station at seven thirty one, fifty five KRCD

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Speaker 1: Talk Station. Happy Tuesday, opening Day and always a great

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Speaker 1: day when Senator Ran Paul returns to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: krc Morning Show. Welcome back, Senator Paul's a distinct pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on the program.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: More troops going to the region anyway, not necessarily going

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Speaker 1: to be deployed yet, but it's a threat to the

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Speaker 1: Iranians to negotiate. They don't seem to want to negotiate,

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Speaker 1: and part of me, Senator Paul, thinks that maybe the

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Speaker 1: Iranians realize the political landscape you're here in the United

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Speaker 1: States and maybe trying to call Donald Trump's bluff and

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Speaker 1: get him to commit drowned groups or ground troops in

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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that might harm them. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I'm way out in left field on

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Speaker 1: that one, but certainly the war rages on and we

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Speaker 1: don't see any light at least I don't between both

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Speaker 1: sides in terms of negotiating a resolution. Where are we

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Speaker 1: on this, Senator Ran Paul.

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Speaker 2: You know one reason they might not want to negotiate

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Speaker 2: is last summer while they were negotiating if we bomb

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Speaker 2: their nuclear facilities. This time they were negotiating in omal

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Speaker 2: and we you know, unleashed this Operation Fury and all

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Speaker 2: the bombs. So I guess the last two times they've

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Speaker 2: negotiated with us, the negotiations didn't really seem to be

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Speaker 2: in earnest or honest negotiations, and I think they may

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Speaker 2: down their guard. They also really are probably desperate. You know,

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Speaker 2: most of their command has been removed, their supreme leader

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Speaker 2: has been removed, so I don't know that they feel

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Speaker 2: like they'll get honest negotiation, and I think they're just

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Speaker 2: regrouping and thinking their best chance is hand to hand combat.

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Speaker 2: And this is sort of people have called this the

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Speaker 2: escalation trap, the idea that we have such great weapons,

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Speaker 2: which we do. They're smart bombs, precision, we can plant them,

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Speaker 2: you know, in a ten foot radius anywhere in the world,

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Speaker 2: and so we have superiority everywhere. But people think that

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Speaker 2: that means that people on the receiving end will ultimately

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Speaker 2: just surrender, and they might. That would be great if

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Speaker 2: that happened, but also sometimes what happens is nationalism arises

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Speaker 2: and the people actually come together, even the people who

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Speaker 2: hate their own regime come together and begin to hate

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Speaker 2: the collateral damage of all the bombing.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I can certainly see them going down that

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Speaker 1: road center to Paul. The geographical realities are really perilous

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Speaker 1: for ground troop operations.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: The size of the country two point four times the

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Speaker 1: state of Texas, and they've had a long time to

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Speaker 1: you know, entrench themselves. You know, I think about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the invasion of the small little islands when the United

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Speaker 1: States Marines moved in towards Japan, and how you know,

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Speaker 1: in trench they were, and how long it took men

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Speaker 1: to you know, to overcome the forces. Hey, that's basically Iran,

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Speaker 1: is it not?

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Speaker 2: Well? And you know, Lindsey Graham has gleefully said, well,

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Speaker 2: there was Eva Gemo, we need another Eva Gema conveniently

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Speaker 2: sort of forgets that, like over twenty thousand Americans died

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Speaker 2: on the island of Eva Gema was. It was hell,

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Speaker 2: and they did it for their country. But anybody who

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Speaker 2: to make a lot of money off this war, I

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Speaker 2: think that's just reprehensible. And really those kind of people

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Speaker 2: fight this war personally. I know good friends of mine's

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Speaker 2: kids who will go to fight this war, and may well,

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Speaker 2: as far as I know, have already been over there.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want I don't want the war to

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Speaker 2: see what happens. I continue to be a voice to

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Speaker 2: say this isn't in our national interest and I don't

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Speaker 2: think it furthers. I think it makes our country poor,

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Speaker 2: not richer. I think it makes us as a country

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Speaker 2: it's over sooner than later. The only thing I have

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Speaker 2: over there, I don't think that's enough to really invade

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Speaker 2: when we go in, we go and it was overwhelming force.

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Speaker 2: Now Venezuela was a one off, I think, and that

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that is really in the offing

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Speaker 2: don't think you do that with a lot of thousand soldiers.

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Speaker 2: I think the whole country would be up in arms.

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Speaker 2: I think it wouldn't be as easy as people think.

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Speaker 1: And my understanding is some suggest that carg Island, that

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Speaker 1: the Marines. That represents some serious logistical challenges, and of

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Speaker 1: course it will be easier to just make a blockade

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Speaker 1: the area. That's it seems to be an easier solution.

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Speaker 1: Can I pivot over? Because I know what you were

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Speaker 1: one of the ones that actually looks at the Constitution

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Speaker 1: of believes there's some that need to get congressional approval.

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Speaker 1: There's been no declaration of war there's been no authorization

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Speaker 1: of use of military force, which seems to me suggests

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Speaker 1: we're in war powers resolution territory. But is the sixty

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Speaker 1: arguing that that hasn't even been implicated because there was

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Speaker 1: no imminent threat, which is the justification for launching the

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Speaker 1: action of the first place, Senator Paul exactly.

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Speaker 2: So the Constitution takes precedents, it's the first thing, and

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Speaker 2: it says that the power to declare or initiate war

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Speaker 2: lives with Congress. They haven't done that. The war powers

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Speaker 2: out come in and says, all right, there are three

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Speaker 2: different ways you can go to war legally, a declaration

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Speaker 2: by Congress, a use of authorization of force, which is

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Speaker 2: similar vote by Congress, or an eminent threat. So really,

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Speaker 2: the only way you can legally invade a country without

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Speaker 2: Congress voting on it is to say it's an imminent threat.

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Speaker 2: The problem with that argument is they say, well, yes,

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Speaker 2: a RAM started this war forty seven years ago, and

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Speaker 2: I guess once you say forty seven years, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: sound that imminent. You know, if they really have been

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Speaker 2: think another twelve hours to call Congress in and have

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Speaker 2: them vote would not be delaying the imminence of this.

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Speaker 2: Some have said, as Marco Rubio said, that Israel was

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Speaker 2: of imminence. The other argument is that it was imminent

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Speaker 2: because they're imminently going to get a nuclear weapon. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, when the Trump administration bombed their nuclear facilities

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be consistent. If they were obliterated, how would they

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Speaker 2: be reconstituting them. We have intel assessments, I think from

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Speaker 2: eighteen different US intelligence agencies, none of which say that

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Speaker 2: they're reconstituting their nuclear program or that there were weeks

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Speaker 2: won this war have been saying, really probably for twenty

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Speaker 2: getting a nuclear weapon. True, we must stop them now,

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Speaker 2: And so it's somewhat of ain haard and it's hard

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Speaker 2: something that doesn't exist. But they also, you know, they

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Speaker 2: closely guard this information, so when the executive takes us

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Speaker 2: to hear true, and there's no real way to challenge

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Speaker 2: them unless you have accessed to all the classified data,

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Speaker 2: and then they have it classified so you're not allowed

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Speaker 2: the argumentation is much more difficult from the outside looking

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Speaker 1: Utd of the concept of mutually assured destruction. I think

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Speaker 1: the North Koreans are benefiting from their nuclear weapons. We

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Speaker 1: know Russia and China are. We don't attack them in

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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that they represent greater existential threats

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Speaker 1: to our existence than even Iran. Iran of course once one,

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Speaker 1: so they can prevent being they can avoid being bombed.

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Speaker 1: Nobody bombs a country with a nuclear weapon, it seems,

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Speaker 1: and isn't that the point of having one.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see this. I mean, yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: have to understand from an adversary's position. Doesn't mean anybody

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Speaker 2: wants a rant of a neutral weapons but from their

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Speaker 2: see it as a protection from attackers. Nobody attacks on Korea.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul pivoting over briefly, is the time finally

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Speaker 1: right for the penny Plan? I think it's a brilliant suggestion.

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Speaker 1: I think we can do with a little waste of

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Speaker 1: spending cuts with in the United States government is a

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Speaker 1: day finally come sir.

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Speaker 2: I think people when they hear about it say, well, gosh,

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Speaker 2: it just takes a small percentage cut of everything, Even

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Speaker 2: when I say to them, well, gosh, it'd be a

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Speaker 2: six percent cut. It used to be a penny cut,

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Speaker 2: but it's gotten worse to be a six penny cut.

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Speaker 2: And the six percent cut means, I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 2: Let's say your family member has Alzheimer's disease wants the

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Speaker 2: government to research that. I look at these people and

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Speaker 2: have great sympathy. I have family members with it. Also.

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Speaker 2: I say, you got one hundred million last year. What

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Speaker 2: this would mean is you get ninety four million next year.

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Speaker 2: And most of them look at me and say, well, gosh,

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Speaker 2: if the country's out of money, we all should do that.

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Speaker 2: We all get together. It doesn't mean there's no research

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Speaker 2: money into be ninety four million instead of one hundred million.

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Speaker 2: And most people think it's reasonable unless they're in Congress.

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Speaker 2: And those in Congress are what's a nice word, not idiots.

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Speaker 2: That's not a nice people in Congress. Let's just say

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Speaker 2: they're profligate spenders. That's a nicer word. But they don't

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Speaker 2: have a concern for the debt. But it's catching up.

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Speaker 2: Medicare So Security, you're running out of money within the

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Speaker 2: next few years. Nobody is lifting a finger to try

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Speaker 2: to fix them. Every time I try to propose something

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Speaker 2: for So Security Medicare, they're not popular because they do

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Speaker 2: involve reducing benefits in some ways or raising the age

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Speaker 2: in some ways. But every time I bring it up,

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Speaker 2: people say, oh, you're going to try to do this.

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Speaker 2: It isn't popular, but I don't do it for a

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Speaker 2: popularity contest. I know, because I want those security to

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Speaker 2: be there for my friends and relatives when they're turned

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Speaker 2: sixty five in the next ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the landscape has changed dramatically since the program is

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Speaker 1: an act that changes must take place to deal with

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Speaker 1: the reflections of that, and it is a failing program.

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Speaker 1: Just look at the numbers. The numbers don't lie, Senator Paul,

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Speaker 1: attention third rail of politics. Okay, let's ignore the problem

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Speaker 1: as if it does not exist, so we all will

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Speaker 1: have nothing down the road.

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Speaker 2: There was an off edge of the day reporting how

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Speaker 2: many couples get over one hundred thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 2: now in retirement from ZOI security, But it also mentioned

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Speaker 2: what percentage of so security is our GDP? And I

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Speaker 2: think SO security is five percent of the GDP in

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Speaker 2: the Sweden's terrible. They're socialists and all this. Their SOB

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Speaker 2: security is less than one percent of their GDP. So

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Speaker 2: they actually have pension plans that if the economy goes

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Speaker 2: south and slows down, they slow down the pension payments,

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Speaker 2: and their average pension payments about thirty or four twenty

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Speaker 2: Our top is around one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't, it's it's not it's never apples the

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Speaker 1: apples comparisons. Senator Ran Paul, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time today. Keep up the great work and keep

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Speaker 1: talking to us, keep speaking truth to the UH, the

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Speaker 1: profligate spenders. Somebody will finally get through to them. I

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Speaker 1: hope it's you, Senator ram Paul. You're always walking around

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Speaker 1: at fifty five carscree morning. Should have a great day, sir,

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