1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Beach Radio. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly what I intend to do. Management. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 3: I have a really good night here on Nightside. We're 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 3: here from eight until midnight every Monday through Friday night. Myself, 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 3: I'm broadcasting remotely. Rob Brooks is back at the Broadcast Center, 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: and he really is the heartbeat of the operation because 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 3: everything goes through Rob Brooks goes to the broadcast Center. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: So without Rob Brooks, we're not in the air. Rob, 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: you should give yourself a round of applause here. Why 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: don't you give yourself a round of applause here because 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: you do yeoman's work every night. Come on, Rob, I'm ready. 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 3: Let's go good. Get that studio audience, let them get 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: up and give you some applause, applause. We have a 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: great show coming up tonight. Gonna talk at nine o'clock 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: with Larry called Ron. He is the head of the 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: Boston Police Patrolman's Association, and he's gonna comment on some 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: stuff that's going on in New York to make sure 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: it doesn't come here to Austin. Most specifically that really 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 3: ugly snowball assault that some New York police officers were 20 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: subjected to last week. We'll also talk. 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: About a landmark lawsuit that may may have a tremendous 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 4: impact on social media because the argument is that people 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 4: young people as well as others become addicted because of 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 4: algorithms that are placed into some of these websites, meta 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: and YouTube, amongst some o. 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: They're going to talk with a. 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: Human performance expert about that, and I think these are 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 3: two interesting topics, and we of course we'll talk about 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: what's going on the latest and around a little bit 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: later on tonight. But first we have a four really 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: interesting guest, as always during the eight o'clock are We're 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: going to start off with Mike Vanbrie who's the director 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: of Product safety and Engineering with the American Latter Institute. Mike, 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: I never knew that there were an American Ladder Institute 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: until this afternoon when I saw this rundown. Tell us 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: exactly what the American Ladder Institute does. 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 5: And the American Ladder Institute is the industry trade association 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: for the ladder manufacturers and suppliers to our industry. So 39 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: our our primary focus is safety. That's the common interest 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 5: amongst the ladder manufacturers. We want to always promote the 41 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 5: safe use of ladders and do what we can in 42 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 5: that regard. So we're celebrating right now the tenth anniversary 43 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 5: of National Ladder Safety Month. So we've been doing this 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 5: annually to try and kick off the construction season. 45 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds reasonable. According to the information I have here, 46 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: about a half a million people every year are treated 47 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: and as many as three hundred die every year from 48 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: ladder related injuries. I can understand that because I'm one 49 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: of the those pinnuckleheads who sometimes gets up on a 50 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: ladder and is a bit out over his skis. Sometimes 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: give us some guidelines. At what age do you think 52 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: it's reasonable for people to stop climbing ladders? 53 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 5: Well, that's you know, that's a fascinating question. And days 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 5: gone by, we used to have an instruction on the 55 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 5: ladders that said, you know, if you were over over 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 5: sixty five, don't climb on ladders. That's been decades ago. 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 5: But as you know, people are some people can be 58 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 5: very healthy even to older years. So it really is 59 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 5: a judgment call on your your strength, your balance, your health. 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: Those are things that you need to consider individually to 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 5: decide if it's time to hang up the ladder. I 62 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: can tell you I'm in my early sixties and I 63 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 5: still climb ladders, but I do it a lot differently 64 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 5: than I used to, And I can definitely tell there'll 65 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: come a day when I'm going to hire others to 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 5: do that sort of work. 67 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: Well, every once in a while, you can find somebody 68 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: who's eighty years old who can drive a golf ball 69 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty yards off the tee, But that's 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: not generally what's going on. Of those half a million 71 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: people who were treated and the three hundred who die 72 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 3: every year, has there ever seriously been a study done 73 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: to see what their age bracket is. I'm sure that 74 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: there are some people who can be injured and can 75 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 3: be badly injured while they're in their twenties authorities, but 76 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: I'd like to I would believe that the majority of 77 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: those injuries would skew a little bit towards older Americans. 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 5: Yes, and you're correct on that day. And there were 79 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 5: a lot of study, A lot of research was gone 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 5: back in the nineteen seventies evaluating latter accidents to try 81 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 5: and really drill down on what was causing people to 82 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 5: fall and so. For example, but one of the things 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 5: that came out of that is I think most people 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 5: today know that you don't stand on the top step 85 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 5: or the top cap of a step ladder, And that's 86 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 5: one of those things that came out. To your point 87 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 5: about age, the data did show that with age you 88 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 5: did have increased accidents. So you're correct. You know, when 89 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 5: you get to be my age, it's probably a good 90 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 5: time to start thinking about maybe maybe getting others to 91 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 5: do work and hiring that out instead of putting yourself 92 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 5: in farm's way on a roof for doing those sorts 93 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:35,799 Speaker 5: of things. 94 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean going up on the roof would even 95 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: be worse than that. It has to be difficult. Look, 96 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: we all have heard the stories of children who have 97 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: to go to their parents or their mom or dad 98 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 3: when they're a little more advanced and take the car 99 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: keys away, which is a horrible moment in time, just 100 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: like it's a horrible moment in time when younger parents 101 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: have to give a set of car keys to a teenager. 102 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: It's sort of the reverse. But but what can be done? 103 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: Do you think to keep older folks off the ladder. 104 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: I'm older than you are, and I will tell you 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: that I climb a ladder and my wife just walks 106 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: in the house. It's like she doesn't want to see 107 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: me fall. But I'm I'm look, if I am, I 108 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: am you, I want you to preach to the choir 109 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 3: here man, I'm playing the choir man. 110 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 5: You're not going to get me to preach out a 111 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 5: particular age because that would be a little unfair. But 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 5: as far as as far as that that assessment, I 113 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 5: think we all wrecked. Certainly have myself, as I've you know, 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 5: gone through my fifties and now into my sixties, I 115 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 5: can certainly say that I recognize that my strength, my 116 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 5: stability is not what it was when I was in 117 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 5: my thirties, forties or even early fifties. So you're you're correct, 118 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: and that's where we have to be realistic with ourselves. 119 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 5: Similar to the parent and my father's in his mid 120 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 5: eighties and he still wants to drive that car and 121 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 5: we're doing a nice job of helping him get wherever 122 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 5: he needs to go. But he certainly believes, you know, 123 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: and he can, I'm sure to some degree, drive, but 124 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 5: his reaction time won't be as quick. And that's the 125 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 5: other thing that happens as well with climbing. You don't 126 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 5: have quite the reflexes reactions, your ability to maintain that 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 5: stable stance on a ladder diminishes, So maybe you have 128 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: to be realistic with your assessments on whether or not 129 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: you should really be doing that job. 130 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me give you the opportunity to 131 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: direct my audience to your ladder safety training, which is 132 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: online and I believe is free offered by the American 133 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: Latter Institute. And this is something that not only should 134 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: everybody take a look at, but if you do have 135 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: some older parents or older family members, tell us how 136 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: they can find this ladder safety training. 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: I think it's essential happy to do that, and I 138 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 5: hope people will do this. There's a couple of websites. 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: The first one is Latter Safety Month dot com, so 140 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 5: that's where we put our information that really focuses on 141 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 5: Latter Safety Month. There's webinars each week. I'll be doing 142 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 5: one on Thursday. Other people will be doing webinars on 143 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 5: subsequent weeks on different topics that people can get to. 144 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 5: At that Latter Safety Month dot com website, you can 145 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 5: sign up to join the webinar and you can also 146 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 5: get lots of other safety resources, you know, safety training, flyers, videos, 147 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 5: articles from the past. We keep all of our past 148 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: information out there, so lots of good stuff to look 149 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 5: at there. The other website is focused on training, so 150 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 5: that's Ladder Safety Training dot org and the latter safety 151 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 5: training dot Org. That's where you know we've got actual 152 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 5: training videos for the different types of ladders, step ladders, 153 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 5: extension ladders, articulated ladders. All of that training library is 154 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 5: out there for free and gives you a video based 155 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 5: training course and a little quiz at the end. You know, 156 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: for those who are in the professional ranks, we do 157 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 5: have other resources out there, so we are the The 158 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 5: American Ladder Institute is who generates the ladder Safety standards 159 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: that specify how ladders are built and what they need, 160 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 5: what their performance level needs to be. We want to 161 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 5: make sure they're strong enough, they're stable enough, they're durable, 162 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 5: and all of those specific expectations design expectations are in 163 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 5: the safety standards. If anybody has a need to look 164 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 5: into that sort of thing, we as manufacturers certainly follow those, 165 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 5: but sometimes others want to know as well. 166 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: That's great information. 167 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: Mike Van Brie, Direct for Product Safety and Engineering with 168 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: the American Ladder Institute gives us a little homework here, 169 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: and I think everybody should think twice about whether they 170 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: want to get up and you know, particularly a ladder 171 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: that's outdoors. There's just so many, so many things that 172 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: go that can go wrong. Mike Vanbury, thank you very 173 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: much for your time tonight. 174 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 5: Dan, thank you and stay safe you too. 175 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: We came back. 176 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about whether or not we can 177 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: still have private conversations if we live part or all 178 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: of our lives online. We're going to look at the 179 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: right to a digital privacy, to digital privacy in today's world, 180 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: with Cindy Cone. She is the recently retired executive director 181 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Back on Nightside with Cindy 182 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: Cone right after this. 183 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm WBZ Boston's News. 184 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: Radio, delighted to welcome Cindy Cone. Cindy, welcome to Nightside. 185 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: How are you this evening? 186 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 6: I'm well, thank you so much. 187 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: You are have been for thirty years, I guess, the 188 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. You're also the 189 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: author of a book, Privacies Defender, My thirty year fight 190 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: against digital surveillance. First of all, tell us what the 191 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: Electronic Frontier Foundation is I think I have an idea, 192 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: but I'd love. 193 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: To hear it from you. 194 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: And how long has it been around and when was 195 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: it founded? I assume it was founded relatively recently. 196 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 6: No EFF is thirty five years old. We predate web. Yeah, 197 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 6: we were founded in nineteen ninety. I've been executed a 198 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 6: director only the last ten of those years, where there 199 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 6: were other folks as well, but I've been involved with 200 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 6: the organization almost from the beginning. And you know, our 201 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 6: job is to make sure that when you go online, 202 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 6: your rights go with you. We we've worked hard fighting 203 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 6: digital surveillance, fighting for free speech, you know, really standing 204 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: up for users. 205 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: I did an hour on this very subject last night 206 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 3: with one of the technology experts from the American Civil 207 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: Liberties Union of Massachusetts. 208 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 6: And oh, they're great. 209 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds to me like they're fighting like heck, 210 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: but they're fighting against these very powerful social media outfits. 211 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 3: And I'm stunned to realize so much of our information, 212 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: as I found out last night from Cape Crawford of 213 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: the mc lu here in Massa or the ac LU 214 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: here in Massachusetts, that a lot of this stuff of 215 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: your private information, my private information, everyone's information in this 216 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 3: all audience is out in the web, and it's available 217 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: to be sold back and forth by companies. It's frightening 218 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: when what I learned last night, and I was frightening. 219 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: It sounds to me like what you've been fighting against 220 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: for a long time. 221 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. I mean it didn't have to be this way. 222 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 6: We could have built a different kind of Internet, and 223 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 6: I think we could still get there, But you're right 224 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 6: that right now, it's very scary the amount of information 225 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 6: that's available, and you know, with AI and other tools, 226 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 6: the ability of that information to be marshaled in ways 227 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 6: that we can't control and they aren't necessarily in our 228 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 6: interest is just growing. And you know it's time for 229 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 6: us to reclaim our privacy. It's definitely, you know, something 230 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 6: again I have thought was needed from the beginning, but 231 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 6: now I think it's clearer to more people than ever 232 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 6: that like this, this path isn't isn't a good one 233 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 6: for you and me. 234 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: Well, I know. 235 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: Some people think we're discussing something that's theoretical, but it's 236 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: not theoretical. It's genuine and it's real and it exists. 237 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: I use as an example, and i'd love to find 238 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 3: out from you if you agree with me. And this 239 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: I remember, I don't know, twenty years ago, when all 240 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: the politicians a hot issue was those those incessant phone 241 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: calls that you always get at night around six o'clock, 242 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: when you're just sitting down to dinner, people who are 243 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: calling you for all sorts of reasons. You're jumping up 244 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: and all the politicians. 245 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: We're going to take care of that. 246 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,239 Speaker 2: Congress will pass a law which will prevent people from making. 247 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: Phone calls to people during the dinner hour or after 248 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: a certain point in time. And nothing has happened on 249 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: that front, Sindy. So why do we think if Congress 250 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 3: cannot control the old telephone calls that enerve us at night, 251 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: that they're going to be able to do anything about 252 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: our privacy, which is. 253 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: Something that's it's all out there and. 254 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: We don't even realize it. 255 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: And I don't see anybody in Congress's leading the charge 256 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: in this. And this to me seems be a national issue, 257 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: not a state by state issue. 258 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 6: Well, I think it is a national issue. Although some 259 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 6: states are starting to innovate, which is great, you know, 260 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 6: it's it's it's good for the states to try to 261 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 6: protect our privacy and then we can you know, pick 262 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 6: which things work better and use those nationally. I mean, 263 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: Senator Ron Wyden has a bill called the Fourth Amendment 264 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 6: Is Not for Sale that is trying to begin to 265 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 6: start to scale this back. There have been efforts to 266 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 6: try to build privacy laws. I mean one of the 267 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 6: problems that we we we have and that we fight 268 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 6: about is that even when Congress passes law, they often 269 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 6: leave it without any teeth. They make it hard for 270 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 6: you and I to stand up for our own interests 271 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 6: and instead kind of just pass these laws that they 272 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 6: don't do something without a lot of real, real teeth 273 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 6: to have consequences for when companies oversee them. So, you know, 274 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 6: we've got we've got a ways to go. It's it's 275 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 6: not a failure of you know, ideas for how to 276 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 6: do it. It's it's a failure of will to actually 277 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 6: do it. And and I think if we start demanding 278 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 6: it from our representatives, we could begin to move in 279 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 6: that direction. I mean, right now, though, we're definitely up 280 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 6: against it because we're beginning to see a lot more 281 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 6: of the you know, the governments both locally and nationally 282 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 6: being you know, the number one purchasers of this information 283 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 6: that gets collected by private entities, and you know, some 284 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 6: some really disturbing stories about you know, this kind of 285 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 6: commercial information being used by ICE to identify people, you know, 286 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 6: for these sweeps and things like that. So we've got 287 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 6: real work to do to try to reset things. And 288 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 6: you know, we've got some tools and we've got some strategies, 289 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 6: but what we really need is the political will. We 290 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 6: need people people telling their members of Congress and telling 291 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 6: their representatives that like, this is a priority for you. 292 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: For I'll just mention a couple of things. I think 293 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: that the ICE situation is one that that divides the country, 294 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: divides the nation, uh, because someone like myself, if ICE 295 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: is using information to find a bad guy, a real 296 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: bad guy who's a who's here illegally and as a 297 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: criminal and as a child molestor or a rapist or 298 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 3: a murderer, I want them to do whatever they can 299 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: do legally, Okay, And if they are able to legally 300 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 3: get information and find out where someone is, that's not 301 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that person's rights. I'm going to 302 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: be honest with you, okay, I'm worried about the rights 303 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: of individual citizens and people who are here legally who 304 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: need to be protected, and information about their private comings 305 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: and goings, their their their likes, their their their physical traits, 306 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: all of that should should remain with them. And I 307 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: just think that as soon as you bring ice into 308 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: it split the country down the middle, and that just 309 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: plays to these to these big, big uh you know 310 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: media sites that have hundreds of lobbyists on K Street 311 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: in Washington. And I'm being very practical when I say 312 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: that to you, and I'd love to know if you 313 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: if you agree with me, or if you think I'm 314 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: way off base. 315 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 6: Well, no, I mean I hear what you're saying. I 316 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 6: think that the you know, the the problem is that 317 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 6: when they wholesale purchased this information from private entities, they're 318 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 6: outside of all the protections that you and I need 319 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 6: to make sure that they're going after the bad guys 320 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 6: and not just about the people who there might be 321 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 6: mad at or you know, we periodically, we you know, 322 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 6: we have situations in which you know, police officers end 323 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: up using this information to track their exes and do stalking. 324 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 6: And you know, we need we need to have we 325 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 6: need to have processes to good uses from the baddies. 326 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 4: Cindy, that's a crime. 327 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: That's a police officer who has betrayed as badge and 328 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 3: his oath, and that police officer who's tracking his exes 329 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: or whomever he might be using that information for, he 330 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 3: should be indicted, tried, and can evicted and sent to jail. 331 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: We'll have a longer conversation. We're going to be talking 332 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: about this later tonight. There's a big trial in Los Angeles, 333 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: as I'm sure you know, where a meta and two 334 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: and YouTube are being sued by individuals who claim that 335 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: their platforms have basically addicted their children and their teenagers 336 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: to situations in which they are suffering all sorts of 337 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 3: issues like anxiety, depression, body image issues, etc. We're going 338 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: to talk about that tonight at ten o'clock. I love 339 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: to have you back sometime and talk about this in 340 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: greater length. 341 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: I think that go ahead, Yeah. 342 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 6: I understand where you're coming from. I just I think 343 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 6: the thing that I want to just say is that 344 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 6: like being able to separate out the good uses from 345 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 6: the bad uses of this data, is what do process 346 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 6: and rule of law is for. And when you just 347 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 6: wholesale open up all this private information that's collected about 348 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 6: us to multiple uses, you lose some of those protections 349 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 6: that you and I need well in the argument. 350 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 3: But I'm a lawyer, and I'm as much of a 351 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 3: civil libertarian as anyone. 352 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: But I don't want to. 353 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: Pass a piece of legislation which's going to hand cough 354 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: law enforcement and make their job that much harder when 355 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: they are going after people who are here and have 356 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: harmed Americans. 357 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 2: Or would be willing to harm Americans. 358 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: So I guess that's the great divide that we have here. 359 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: I'm with you on the issue philosophically, I just think 360 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: that sometimes maybe the brush is a little bit too broad. 361 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: Cin Do you have a book out, I believe, Privacies Defender, 362 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: my thirty eight year fight against digital surveillance. I assume 363 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: that's available on Amazon and at good bookstores everywhere. 364 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 6: Correct, it sure will be, Yeah, March tenth, that comes out. 365 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 6: Thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. 366 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 2: You're very welcome. 367 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: Love to have you back and have a longer conversation, 368 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 3: and these are always tough to do this in seven. 369 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 2: Or eight minutes. 370 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 6: But yeah, no, and I really appreciate you engaging directly 371 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 6: with this stuff. I think it's important. These are important conversations. 372 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, thank thank you so much, Sindy, appreciate it. 373 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 3: Here comes the news at the bottom of the hour 374 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: and we get back. We're going to talk about March second, 375 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 3: of the eighth. It's vehicle safety recall week. And if 376 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 3: you drive a car, and most of us do in 377 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: some form of fashion, you need to understand that these 378 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: vehicle safety recalls are important. Going to talk with Mark 379 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: shield Drop, senior spokesperson for Triple A Northeast, coming back 380 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: on Nightside right after this. 381 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 382 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: Well, we're in the middle of the vehicle safety recall 383 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: week from March second to March eighth, and with us 384 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: is Mark shield Drop, senior spokesperson for Triple A Northeast. 385 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: Mark, welcome back to Nightside, Thanks for. 386 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 7: Coming back, Thanks for having me. Dan, great to talk 387 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 7: to you. 388 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of information here, but I actually 389 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: messed around with this earlier and tried to. 390 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: Find some of the information and it didn't. 391 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: Go as easily as I thought. 392 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 3: So we do know that there's been a lot of 393 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: vehicle safety calls, and as a matter of fact, one 394 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: of the items that I think either we got from 395 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: you or my producer found said that there have been 396 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: eight hundred and ninety one recalls last year alone that 397 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 3: affected more than twenty nine million vehicles. 398 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: So the question I. 399 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: Have is is there a way to figure out if 400 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 3: somehow the vehicle you're driving or everyone who's listening was 401 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 3: driving had a recall last year that somehow was missed. 402 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 7: Yes, there is a way. There is a website. You 403 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 7: can go to NITZA dot gov slash recalls. That's nh 404 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 7: e SA dot gov slash recalls. Or you can look 405 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 7: in your iPhone app store, your Google Play store for 406 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 7: what's called the Safer Car App SA f E er 407 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 7: c R, and that's put out by NITZA, the National 408 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 7: Highway Trafic Stage Administration, and you can put your vehicle 409 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 7: identification number in there and I will tell you there's 410 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 7: any open recalls in your exact vehicle. 411 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: Give us that website again, just a little bit more slowly, 412 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 3: because that's what I was looking for. NHSA National Highway 413 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: Transportation Safety Association is that administration. 414 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 7: Administration h s A dot gov g o v YEP 415 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 7: slash recalls. 416 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: Perfect, And the reason I had to do that slowly was. 417 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: Rob Brooks will also write that down in case anyone 418 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: needs to get it. 419 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so now very good. The VIN number For. 420 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: Those of you who might not realize it, the VIN 421 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: number is available generally. 422 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: It's on on. 423 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: The just above where you're on your dashboard, above where 424 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: you look out. 425 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: It's a once you describe it, it's a. 426 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: Seventy letter silver little silver thing that that should should 427 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: be right at the beginning of your dashboard exactly. 428 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 7: It's also on your registration so you can look there. 429 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 7: But well, you do get out of the car or 430 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 7: go to the car, look at the wiper blades on 431 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 7: the driver's side and just move your eyes to the 432 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 7: right toward the bottom along the cowl there and you'll 433 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 7: see a little carve out and you'll see the little 434 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 7: badge sitting there. And you're gonna have to put your 435 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 7: reading glasses on and your knee and you're gonna have 436 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 7: to read it. Take a photo of your phones and 437 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 7: then on it. That makes it easy, and then you 438 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 7: can or. 439 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 3: Just spark your registration, which you hopefully have in your 440 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: glove compartment, and yeah, it's in number that is. It 441 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 3: doesn't matter what type of car you have. That is 442 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: a seventeen figure numbers, seventeen combination of letters and numbers. 443 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: Which is unique to your car. There's no other car, 444 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: that's right, that has that. 445 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: And when you go on there, you can put in 446 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: your make, the type of car you drive, and the 447 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: year of the car, and it supposedly gives you all 448 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 3: the recalls that might be currently available. 449 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Right, that's correct. 450 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 7: The beauty of searching by your vin is it will 451 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 7: show you open recalls, so you don't have to worry 452 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 7: about all the recalls it might have happened. 453 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 8: Sometimes there's a recall. 454 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 7: And the dealer takes care of it when you're bringing 455 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 7: your car for a service and you don't realize. There's 456 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 7: a lot of software updates and other recalls that happen. 457 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 7: But this is a recall that's open. And we're looking 458 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 7: for safety minded recalls because there's millions of cars out 459 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 7: on the roads today with airbags that can blow up 460 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 7: and basically turn into a grenade, or a braking system 461 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 7: that might fail, or electrical systems that might just shut 462 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 7: down on the highway, and we're talking recent model year 463 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 7: vehicles and people have died in some of these incidents. 464 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 7: So this week just take a couple of seconds. 465 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Check your car. 466 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 7: If you have an open recall, get it into the shop, 467 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 7: get it to the dealership, and they will repair it. 468 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 7: But we are concerned about people who are buying used 469 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 7: vehicles because a lot of times in the ownership history changes, 470 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 7: the new owner is not getting the alerts from the 471 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 7: dealership or the manufacturer. So you buy a brand new car, 472 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 7: most likely the manufacturer really important safety recall is going 473 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 7: to be sending you cards to your house. You're going 474 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 7: to get emails because they know who you are. But 475 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 7: if you buy a used vehicle, you really should make 476 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 7: sure to check that recall status just to make sure 477 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 7: you're not driving around with an open safety recall. 478 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 3: Okay, the other thing is and again this is plugging 479 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: triple A. You guys have a great website Northeast dot 480 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: AAA dot com slash that's right Automotive and that is 481 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: everything you need to know about your about car recalls, 482 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: which is a great website. 483 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 8: Yeah. 484 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 7: Absolutely, and we encourage folks to go there too. We've 485 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 7: got links and resources there for sure, So I appreciate 486 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 7: you plugging that. And a lot of people are checking 487 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 7: our gas price website, which is gas Prices dot tpla 488 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 7: dot com and you can pop around the country and 489 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 7: marvel at how they've shot up in the past twenty 490 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 7: four hours. So that's another issue out there for folks, 491 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 7: but we do it well. That's raising awareness about the recall. 492 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the gas prices are something that's beyond your 493 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 3: ability and my ability, as good as Triple A is. 494 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: Hopefully the situation in the Middle East will get resolved 495 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: quickly without you know, any more US service personnel losing 496 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: their lives, and the people of Iran get an opportunity 497 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: perhaps to live in the freedom that we all know 498 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: about that they haven't lived in for the last forty 499 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 3: seven years. So putting aside whether people like what the 500 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: President did, don't like what the President did, I certainly 501 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 3: think everyone would agree. We do not want to get 502 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: involved in another land war in the Middle East, and 503 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 3: maybe we can avoid that and get a good result 504 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 3: for US and for Israel as well, which I think 505 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: is which I think is important. But we're focused on 506 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: recalls tonight. 507 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 8: Yeah. 508 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 7: No, not to do a vertue in any way. I 509 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 7: apologize for that night. 510 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. 511 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 3: But you know, gas prices have been coming down, which 512 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: has been great we've enjoyed it. They'll go up for 513 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: a little while and hopefully they'll come back down, just 514 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: as what do they say, what goes up has to 515 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: come down, and let's hope that applies to guests. 516 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 7: Rice is mark, Oh it will yeah, the market and 517 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 7: that's how they behave for sure. But yeah, the recall 518 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 7: things really important. We do strongly urge people to double 519 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 7: check that. And there's also some concern now and if 520 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 7: I just have one more second to plug this, you've 521 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 7: bought a used vehicle recently, it's really important to look 522 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 7: up your vehicle's history, especially if you've bought a salvage 523 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 7: or rebuild title. So this might take a little bit 524 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 7: of work on your part. But there are a potentially 525 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 7: high number of vehicles that have been repaired in the 526 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 7: past few years with illegally imported Chinese air bags, and 527 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 7: these air bags are blowing up and causing serious harm 528 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 7: to people and has resulted in some fatalities. 529 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: The problem is is. 530 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 7: That using the recall site or that Safer Car app 531 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 7: will not show that you're subject to a recall. So 532 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 7: you kind of have to do a little homework there 533 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 7: and have somebody check for or what kind of airbag 534 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 7: was used during the repair of that vehicle. Most cars, 535 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 7: you know, if an air bag goes off, oftentimes that 536 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 7: car is totaled. But there are cars out there that 537 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 7: are fixable and driveable, and the title should give you 538 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 7: an indication if that's the case. So think about your 539 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 7: vehicle's history and get to work make it you don't 540 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 7: have one of those airbags. 541 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: Realistically, to figure out if you have one of those 542 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 3: ear bags, Mark, I'm assuming you'll probably have to go 543 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: to a local repair shop. 544 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: There's a couple that I know that are. 545 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: Very good and have them to look in effect under 546 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: the hood or wherever the airbag is stored to make 547 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: sure it is not one of these knockoffs that have 548 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: been brought into the country from China. And if it is, 549 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: get that either that dealer or that repair shop to 550 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 3: put an air bag in there that will not automatically 551 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: go off when you're going sixty five miles an hour 552 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: of one twenty eight. 553 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, correct, some of the crashes that have resulted in 554 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 7: at nations would have been survivable otherwise. 555 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, you need a. 556 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 7: Good skilled mechanic that can can help you navigate that. 557 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 7: Many good mechanics will be familiar with this issue because 558 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 7: they stay on top of the industry, you know, so 559 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 7: that this information is out there. You want more information, 560 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 7: it's at NHTSA dot gov. They have detailed information about 561 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 7: that specific urgent safety warning. So that's one of the 562 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 7: things we're talking about. In addition to Vehicle Safety Recall 563 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 7: Week and another thing about that Safer Car app which 564 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 7: is really cool. You can also put in things like 565 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 7: trailer hitches, other equipment, car seats, so there's recalls for 566 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 7: all sorts of things that we're driving around and oftentimes 567 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 7: you can get a great replacement or repair from the 568 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 7: manufacturer at no cost to you. So look into that. 569 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 3: Appreciate you and appreciate Triple A New England. 570 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: We're members of Triple A New England and I got 571 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: to tell you it's one of the best investments anybody 572 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: could make. Thank you, Mark, I appreciate it so much. 573 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Thank you Dan all right too. 574 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: By the way, if any of you live in the 575 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: Brighton area, my mechanic is, UH is they're the great 576 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 3: at the McKenzie John McKenzie, great great people, uh and 577 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: do they know their business. They have a crew over 578 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: there that are justin cripple. Find a good mechanic in 579 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: your local area. It's going to save you money as 580 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: opposed to running it back to the dealers you know 581 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: in the long run, and they will get to know 582 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 3: your car. We're going to come back and we're going 583 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: to get to know the president of Assumption College. The 584 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 3: president of Assumption College just wrote a very interesting piece 585 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: in Washington Post talking about that ai AI's best use 586 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 3: is enhancing human judgment. So study Liberal Arts. Will be 587 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 3: back on Nightside with the president of Assumption College of Worcester, Massachusetts. 588 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news Radio. 589 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: We're delighted to be joined by the president of Assumption 590 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: College in Worcester, Massachusetts, also a professor of political science, 591 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: President Greg Wiener. President Wiener has been with us before. 592 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 3: Welcome back, my friend. How are you today. 593 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 8: I'm doing well. It's great to be back with you. 594 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 3: You wrote a piece of Washington Post about artificial intelligence's 595 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 3: best use is actually enhancing human judgment, So study liberal arts. 596 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 3: I found it to be very compelling. If I could, 597 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: I just want to quote the first paragraph so the audience, 598 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: so the audience we know what we're talking about, and 599 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 3: I think it's very, very compelling. At its best, liberal 600 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: education is an integrated whole that pursues truth wherever it 601 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: is found, emphasizing both the range of disciplines and the 602 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: connections between them. It helps form human judgment by exposing 603 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: students to complexity and nuance while encouraging curiosity. Literal education 604 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 3: fragments that experience into individual units of utility, falsely assuming 605 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 3: that what seems useful today will be useful tomorrow. That 606 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: is a great opening paragraph. I'm sure the editors of 607 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: the Washington Post love that as well. Put it in 608 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 3: language that everyone's going to understand, because this is an 609 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 3: important debate that I think your work really focuses us on. 610 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 8: Sure, there is tremendous pressure on young people to think 611 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 8: about their educations overly literally, so you wouldn't study literature 612 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 8: unless you were going to be a novelist, to study 613 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 8: political science if you're going to run for office, and 614 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 8: so forth, and that really misses the power of education 615 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 8: at its best. And we see that in the proliferation 616 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 8: of programs to study on artificial intelligence. Those many of 617 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 8: those programs are destined to be obsolete within days, if 618 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,479 Speaker 8: if not sooner after they're introduced. What we're seeing is 619 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 8: in economy that values human judgment, in which the value 620 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 8: of human judgment is going to be amplified. And that's 621 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 8: where liberal arts education comes in. 622 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: Concerned that with all of the emphasis on artificial intelligence, 623 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: some people are going to laser focus on courses that 624 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: claim to be related directly indirectly to artificial intelligence, to 625 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 3: not focusing on the more broader range of studies that 626 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: most of us who graduated from you know, college in 627 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 3: the seventies and eighties and before or after have been 628 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: exposed to. 629 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 630 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 8: There's no question that artificial intelligence is transforming the workplace 631 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 8: and that students need to know how to use it 632 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 8: well and effectively and ethically. But what what you don't 633 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 8: do is teach that by teaching it literally. I'm reminded 634 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 8: that I was asked once after I had given a 635 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 8: lecture on prudence, the political virtue, how do you teach prudence? 636 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 8: And my response was, I think the worst way to 637 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 8: teach prudence is by trying to teach prudence. It's a 638 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 8: virtue that is absorbed from the totality of an education, 639 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 8: and I think the best uses of artificial intelligence are 640 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 8: going to be the same way. 641 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a related question, how concerned are 642 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 3: you as a president of a university that college students 643 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 3: in the near future might say, Hey, I have to 644 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: do that five thousand worth essay on this, or that 645 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: I'm just going to pop something out of artificial intelligence. 646 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: I think that professors are going to be challenged to 647 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 3: figure out what is really a student work product and 648 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 3: what might be the product of an artificial intelligence investigation. 649 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 8: We're already seeing that challenge, and our faculty are working 650 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 8: hard at it. I think one advantage and institution like 651 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 8: Assumption has is that you really know your students keep 652 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 8: down and can recognize how they think and how they 653 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 8: how they write, and what their voices are like. What 654 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 8: I would say more broadly is it's a common reaction 655 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 8: to the first wave of any new technology to say, 656 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 8: what's going to go wrong? And it's very understandable, and 657 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 8: those are important questions that need to be asked, but 658 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 8: there's also a question of what is this going to 659 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 8: change in our lives? What's it going to make what 660 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 8: can it make better in a transformative way? And to 661 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 8: do that, we really need to acknowledge that this technology 662 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,959 Speaker 8: is here it's transforming, as I said, the workplace. It's 663 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 8: going to have immense economic ramifications. And we need to 664 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 8: be thinking about how are we equipping students, informing students, 665 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 8: as we would say in the Catholic educational tradition, to 666 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 8: think and to relate to that technology and, as Popelio 667 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 8: said in a recent Apostolic letter, to ensure that technology 668 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 8: is serving the human person rather than being seen as 669 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 8: a replacement. 670 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 3: President Winner is always really enjoyed the articles recently in 671 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 3: the Washington Post. I'm sure people can can get it 672 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 3: if they if they google it. The best education for 673 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: future success might surprise you. And was this how recently 674 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 3: did this appear? Do you have a date on this 675 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: hit when it hit the newspaper? It was yesterday on 676 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: the website, yesterday on the website, okay, And has it 677 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 3: yet been in the herd in the paper copy or 678 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 3: will that be soon to come. 679 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 8: To be honest? And I'm not entirely sure. I'm on 680 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 8: the road meeting with some alumni, so I have not 681 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,439 Speaker 8: seen the physical paper yet. 682 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 683 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 3: Well again, congratulations and it's a it's a great essay 684 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 3: on your part, readable and understandable, which is most important. 685 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 686 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 3: Appreciate it you, President Wiener, President Greg Wiener of Assumption 687 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 3: University in Worcester. When we get back in just right 688 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 3: after the newscast, we're going to talk with Larry Calderon, 689 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 3: he is the president of the Boston Police Patrolman's Association, 690 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 3: about a variety of issues, some of which have been 691 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 3: in the news lately. We'll be back on Nightside right 692 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 3: after this