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Speaker 4: I'm calm and he's tend to be. Mark Rosen makes

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Speaker 4: his triumph and return. Tomorrow at two o'clock. Head coach

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, will have his weekly news conference

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Speaker 4: generally does the day after the game. I guess because

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Speaker 4: of a short week, he's moving it to tomorrow rather

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Speaker 1: A scheduled for one point fifteen the PJ.

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Speaker 4: Fleck Show, It's regularly scheduled time on Tuesdays at.

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Speaker 1: Twelve o'clock. Attend to be. There was more than just

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Speaker 1: the Vikings Eagles game yesterday. There was a full slide

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Speaker 1: of games across the National Football League. It's time now

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Speaker 1: for our version of NFL run.

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Speaker 5: Four right, Yeah on.

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Speaker 4: The Old West, on the Old West movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds I guess from out West, but we're

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Speaker 2: gonna start east across the pond in London as Devanta Hatrick,

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Speaker 2: well you can call him Patrick. DeVante Adams got the

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Speaker 2: hat trick first and going to one.

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Speaker 6: Stafford growing to the right side again looking for Adam's southball.

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Speaker 5: He's got another lesson.

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Speaker 6: Tavante Adams with his third touchdown at the game, and

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Speaker 6: the Rams are pouring it on the.

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Speaker 5: Jaguars at Wembley.

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Speaker 6: It's thirty four to seven Stafford one on Monte Adams

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Speaker 6: and it's a third touchdown, tying his career best for

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Speaker 6: the future.

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Speaker 7: Hall of Favor.

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Speaker 4: Touchdowns are more important than the yards he only did.

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Speaker 4: He only have like fifty five yards receiving yesterday. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was just an end zone guy. He was all

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Speaker 4: the touchdowns were, yeah, they were just five yards.

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Speaker 2: Catches were tough. He's elite in those situations. He had

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Speaker 2: three Matthew Safford through for five. That was Westwood won

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Speaker 2: on the call. By the way, Rams thirty five Jaguars

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Speaker 2: seven in London. So the Jaguars, we now was it?

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Speaker 2: I think it was two weeks ago. I thought they

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Speaker 2: were gonna win the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They were they weren't They four and one or four

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Speaker 1: to zero, No, three and one, they had.

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Speaker 3: To go after that Chiefs win. A couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 4: Win and it looked like and then they've been just

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Speaker 4: all for the last two games. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: no shame to lose. You're gonna lose games in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: But to just get buried like that by the Rams

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Speaker 4: not a good sign for the Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to the NFC North in Chicago. First

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Speaker 3: and ten at the eleven.

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Speaker 8: Out of the I come ot motions right now, Dune

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Speaker 8: say out to the right snap Cato give it a

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Speaker 9: Zone, touchdown, touchdown.

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Speaker 8: Bears got a boy Ben Johnson aggressive through the football

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Speaker 8: right there and it's twelve to nothing. Bear's the lead

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Speaker 3: Make it an eleven yard DeAndre.

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Speaker 2: Swift touchdown or on those the Chicago Bears Radio network.

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Speaker 2: Bears beat the Saints twenty six fourteen. They didn't really

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Speaker 2: pass effectively, but in this game, DeAndre Swift one hundred

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Speaker 1: That's four wins in a row for the Bears. Tend

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Speaker 1: to be says a Right set up the game's first

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Speaker 1: Tody with a long interception return. The Bears overcame a

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Speaker 1: spotty performance by Caleb Williams to match their best streak

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Speaker 1: regular season with four straight wins. And how bad are

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Speaker 4: I think Rattler, Deuce and I had that game on

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Speaker 1: Deuce took the Bears, which I was going to take

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Speaker 4: Where Rattler I think had like four completions for five

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Speaker 7: Rattle.

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Speaker 1: He was Rattle, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: So Bears go to four and two and they sit

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Speaker 4: firmly entrench tied with the kiddies.

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Speaker 1: Right now for a second in the NFC North.

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Speaker 2: A matchup I don't think anyone is really looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: That would be Miami in Cleveland, they had some bad

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Speaker 10: far hash out of an I formation, fannin in front

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Speaker 10: of Judkins, Gabriel on first half. We'll give the Judkins

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Speaker 10: running up the middle pick hole forty he's at the

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Speaker 7: It's a foot race.

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Speaker 10: Twenty fifteen part sideline touchdo Quinn shot jud from forty

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Speaker 2: One of three touchdowns for Quinn Shawn Judkins. He also

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Speaker 2: that was the Cleveland Browns Radio network. They beat the

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Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins thirty one to six.

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Speaker 4: That's the first time of Brown's running back has had

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Speaker 2: Did you know that If you would have asked me

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Speaker 4: The Browns had four takeaways in the game for the

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Speaker 4: first time in the early two seasons. Tend to be

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Speaker 4: big plays in turnovers four and one game.

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Speaker 9: Remember all three timeouts in remaining They're down thirteen?

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Speaker 3: Said, May takes the snap chest home. He dropped back

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Speaker 5: He's not a hooping their petty.

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Speaker 1: He he reaches, snaps him.

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Speaker 5: He cost the ends touchdown.

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Speaker 8: Patriots through what through Portly it's a catch Drake May

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Speaker 8: thirty nine yard touchdown pass to Kaishawn Moody And that's

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Speaker 8: ninety eight five the Sports Hub Patriots Radio Network, Patriots

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Speaker 8: thirty one, Tennessee thirteen Titans, along with the Saints and

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Speaker 8: the Jets in the Dolphins the worst teams in football.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Patriots are five and two. That's their fourth

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Speaker 4: straight win. May two twenty two yards and two tunnies

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Speaker 4: Oh and is that the guy that it's rumored the

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Speaker 4: Vikings really wanted that was the guy that O'Connell ball.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they wanted to trade up a couple first round

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Speaker 1: They wanted to get in by now.

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Speaker 3: I wish they would have.

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Speaker 1: Well, by the way he's playing now, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we all feel that way.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs are chiefing Chiefs do get the ball to

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Speaker 3: That entries into that same discussion. They load the right

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Speaker 3: side up again, a single.

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Speaker 10: News side Cock Rise touchdown, Cansas.

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Speaker 8: City, Reshie Rise his second.

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Speaker 5: Touchdown, and back and easy back baby.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs go on to sixteen.

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Speaker 6: Play ninety four yard drive, three drives, three long.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown drives ninety six to five. The fan and the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs Radio network. Pat Mahomes two hundred and eighty six

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Speaker 2: That was the Chiefs win thirty one zero.

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Speaker 1: What was he suspended for?

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Speaker 2: He had him off the field, the car accident thing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he was suspended the first six games of

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Speaker 2: the season, how about it. But he's the best wide

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Speaker 2: early on because they didn't have Rashie Rice, Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 2: and Mahomes looks really really good right now.

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Speaker 4: Now, Max Crosby missed much of the game because of

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Speaker 4: much more than that. As a matter of fact, how

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Speaker 4: them for the tenth time in eleven matchups.

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Speaker 1: Gino Smith finished ten of sixteen for sixty seven yards.

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Speaker 1: That's just a total domination as they shut it out

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Speaker 2: One of the worst games of the day that would

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Speaker 2: be Panthers versus Jets. Bryce Young gets hurt. Andy Dalton

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Speaker 1: An efty set.

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Speaker 9: Hubbard playing an up back position. Now he motions off

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Speaker 11: Andy the staff back to throw, launches deep down fieldly

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Speaker 11: Get it.

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Speaker 5: Just makes the catch. It's on the.

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Speaker 11: Twenty five yard line. It's been a career game for

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Speaker 11: Xavior leak. Get delivers.

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Speaker 3: That's a Gutchy call right there.

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Speaker 1: The red rifle.

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Speaker 2: The Panthers beat the Jets thirteen to six. Xavier Lagett

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Speaker 2: like he's gonna get to start next week because Bryce

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Speaker 2: Young is still hurt.

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Speaker 3: I would never have guessed.

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Speaker 4: He was still in the league. I had no idea

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Speaker 4: I thought he would. I thought he would retire like

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Speaker 4: ten years ago. But there's Andy Dalton still still spinning it.

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Speaker 4: He can still spin it ten of me.

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Speaker 1: Apparently.

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Speaker 2: The noon games not great. The three PM games were

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Speaker 2: very good. We'll begin with Colts Chargers. Lots of points

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Speaker 2: scored here.

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Speaker 3: High snap for Jones, but he pulls it down. Get

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Speaker 3: to the Taylor marching two.

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Speaker 6: Is right, He's at the fucking touchdown the Trent Fick

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Speaker 6: the again for Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 11: Three rushing touchdowns for the greatest running back going right now.

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Speaker 11: It's thirty seven seventeen, Colts over Bolts.

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Speaker 2: I love that Colts over Bolts, and that's what they happened.

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Speaker 2: They win thirty eight twenty four. Jonathan Taylor maybe the

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Speaker 2: best running back in football right now. Three touchdowns, ninety

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Speaker 1: How about Danny Jones two eighty eight to two scores.

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Speaker 1: We didn't need him, We didn't even off from a contract.

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Speaker 1: He went elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: Tonight best game of the day thirty two thirty.

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Speaker 9: The Giants had the lead with two seconds to go.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's the stat then it was there was

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Speaker 4: That that that the Giants We're gonna lose that football game.

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Speaker 4: That's what that's what the percentage was. You didn't highlight

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Speaker 3: It's break time.

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Speaker 1: You know, Packers one. We're happy for them.

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Speaker 4: He says, we really won't know what JJ McCarthy can

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Speaker 4: Which means we probably won't know what JJ McCarthy can

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Speaker 4: do until he takes over for Maddy Stafford in twenty

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Speaker 1: Is that true? PAS drafted that? Well, they do have,

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Speaker 2: There we also traded away a bunch of our draft packs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is correct.

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Speaker 2: Don't Viking fans the way we've had three starters over

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy was starting. Technically he's hurt.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I guess. Technically, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I guess We'll never know their true intentions behind it,

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Speaker 4: I guess doctor Mike, though, is his point is well

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Speaker 1: We've not and that is the problem. Look when the

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Speaker 4: he's had two concussions. So whether I wasn't breaking down

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Speaker 5: You know, they were.

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Speaker 1: But Hertz had all that.

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Speaker 4: They were just showing the highlight package here again those

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Speaker 4: They were supposed to give us some some inside pass

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Speaker 4: Now I don't think CJ scores from there, but there's

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Speaker 4: So you can blame one, it's all you want. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we won that game with McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that either. I don't think we do either.

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Speaker 4: And I understand the people's anxiousness to see him play.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that in the last segment the other side

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Speaker 4: There's there's plenty of time to go on that rookie deal.

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Speaker 4: heavily incentive laden that are attainable light Buxton, so you

448
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Speaker 4: can have an easy out to turn it over to McCarthy.

449
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Speaker 4: And that does make some sense. Somebody else sent a

450
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Speaker 4: text message and let me see if I can find

451
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Speaker 4: this one, because this one does make a lot of sense. Okay,

452
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Speaker 4: I can't find, but I compare phrase what he said,

453
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: because it's it's really at the crux of this whole thing, Tammy,

454
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: what we've talked about before. The Vikings went fourteen and

455
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: three last year. They were one victory away season ending

456
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Speaker 4: game against Detroit from securing the number one seed. Overall,

457
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 4: their defense was very good, their offense was very good.

458
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 4: Without a real strong interior the offensive line, they were

459
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: one of the best teams in football. Donald laid an

460
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Speaker 4: egg against Detroit and then against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was Donald. That was the interior

462
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Speaker 1: of the offensive line, which is why the team admitted

463
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Speaker 1: as much. By getting rid of of sweaty butt guy

464
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Speaker 1: what's up Bradbury and other guys in the interior of

465
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Speaker 1: the offensive line, and they got new players. Now there's

466
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Speaker 1: the eye idea that and I subscribe to this, that

467
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Speaker 1: by rebuilding the interior of the offense and defensive lines.

468
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: Both lines needed help, and they.

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Speaker 3: Did that.

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Speaker 4: The VITE And if you go fourteen and three, unless

471
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Speaker 4: everybody's leaving viavi A free agency, you have to believe

472
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Speaker 4: your windows open for the following year.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the argument is, well, okay, if you were doing that,

476
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Speaker 4: why would you start a rookie quarterback. Be hard for

477
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Speaker 4: rookie quarterback, even in the best of times, to be

478
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Speaker 4: able to put that type of season together.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that, but you don't get those free agents.

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Speaker 4: I don't think if you signed Darnold, you don't have

481
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Speaker 4: as much money to use for free agency. Plus, I

482
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Speaker 4: also feel like the Vikings probably thought, because it's been

483
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 4: done before, you've seen okay quarterback play in teams qualify

484
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Speaker 4: for the playoffs and make d he runs on. The

485
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Speaker 4: examples that are always used are Hostetler with the New

486
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Speaker 4: York Giants.

487
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Speaker 1: He won a big game. Jeff Hosteler was just.

488
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Speaker 4: An okay quarterback. He had a good year that season.

489
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Speaker 4: Who's the Brad Johnson for Tampa Bay. Brad Johnson's not

490
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Speaker 4: a Hall of Fame quarterback. He was better than average

491
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Speaker 4: quarterback who was in the right situation at the right time.

492
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Speaker 1: And then who is the guy? Arent Dilford is the

493
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Speaker 1: classic case.

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Speaker 4: So I'm assuming the Vikings thought all McCarthy had a

495
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Speaker 4: he's only lost three games in his high school and

496
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Speaker 4: his collegiate career. I'm sure they thought. And then quarterback

497
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Speaker 4: whispered did I don't know if you saw this.

498
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Speaker 1: Yesterday they did the sit down interview with O'Connell and

499
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Speaker 1: he was asked by and I don't know which which

500
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Speaker 1: Fox person did the interview, but they asked about the court.

501
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Speaker 4: They asked about the quarterback whisperer, and he said, I

502
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Speaker 4: don't really care for that very much, though he did

503
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Speaker 4: say I'm out of what we've done with our quarterbacks here.

504
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Speaker 4: So while he doesn't like being called a quarterback whisperer,

505
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 4: he does feel as though he's because he said so,

506
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Speaker 4: I wish I had the quote. He talked about how

507
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Speaker 4: he never had that opportunity to win big games and

508
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Speaker 4: do this and do that.

509
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Speaker 1: Because he just never he didn't have the ability, he

510
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: didn't have the talent, or in probably something not the

511
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: right situation or whatever the case may be, and he

512
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Speaker 1: enjoys the process of working with quarterbacks. He likes it

513
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: very much and being an offensive mind.

514
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Speaker 4: So my guess is he did think I don't even

515
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Speaker 4: necessarily think this is I mean, part of its ego,

516
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Speaker 4: but I just he probably did think it wasn't so

517
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Speaker 4: much everybody.

518
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Speaker 1: Else saying he was quarterback whisperer.

519
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Speaker 4: I don't think that helps that you start believing that

520
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Speaker 4: stuff after a while.

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Speaker 1: But I also I'm.

522
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Speaker 4: Sure he has a lot of confidence in his ability

523
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Speaker 4: to coach up quarterbacks, and he thought, if we've got

524
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Speaker 4: an offensive line that can protect him, and if we

525
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Speaker 4: improve the defensive line and we bring back what we have,

526
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Speaker 4: there's no reason we can't win with this kid.

527
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Speaker 1: And two games isn't enough time to tell. But in

528
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: those first.

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Speaker 4: Two games, let's face it, he had the one brilliant

530
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Speaker 4: fourth quarter, came out of nowhere, and they won the game.

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Speaker 4: But for the first three quarters, he looked lost, and

532
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Speaker 4: he looked just as lost against the Falcons, and the

533
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Speaker 4: Falcons have a very good defense.

534
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Speaker 1: I think we're finding out now.

535
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Speaker 4: But the point is, I think they felt they were

536
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 4: built to win now and they couldn't do it with

537
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback because they had faith in the quarterback

538
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: and the coach had faith in himself that he could

539
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 4: coach the kid up. You've heard what he said since then.

540
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Speaker 4: Part of the reason they're still working on is since

541
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Speaker 4: the injury. They said, well, and I'm paraphrasing what koc said,

542
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Speaker 4: and I'm almost certain that this was his point, was

543
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Speaker 4: that were he believes in those mechanics, you know, the

544
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: eyes and the footwork and all that stuff, and they

545
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Speaker 4: I think he feels like McCarthy is feel a.

546
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Speaker 1: Long way from putting that together.

547
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Speaker 4: I think he also remember what he said after the

548
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Speaker 4: Wentz victory the second game when he went nine, was

549
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Speaker 4: who do.

550
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Speaker 1: We beat two weeks ago?

551
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: Cleveland?

552
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: Cleveland, when we beat the Browns, and Wentz had that

553
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: game when he drive where he threw nine passes and

554
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: nine completions, he said something about and again not the

555
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 4: exact quote, but that he believes McCarthy should have been

556
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: able to learn something.

557
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: About the value of getting rid of the ball.

558
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 4: Quickly, because that's what the one thing Wentz does is

559
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: going with There's a lot of wins haters in this time.

560
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: They don't like him at all, and he wasn't He

561
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: wasn't great yesterday. I don't think he was as awful

562
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: as a lot of people.

563
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Think, but that that Wentz, at least generally speaking, gets

564
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: rid of the balls quickly is he can.

565
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: Yesterday he got sacked a few times. I don't think

566
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: that was because he was holding on the ball too long.

567
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: He just wasn't getting a lot of time to throw.

568
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Speaker 4: And I think they thought that McCarthy would be able

569
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Speaker 4: to pick up on all that right away. And I

570
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Speaker 4: and maybe had he stayed healthy and playing you know

571
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Speaker 4: these first how many games we played now six? If

572
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 4: he'd been playing all six of these games, maybe he

573
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: would have made some progress.

574
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Speaker 1: But we won't know that.

575
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 4: And I guess that's why people want him back to

576
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 4: see it and get to that point.

577
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Speaker 2: But I think the pickle they're in right now is

578
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy needs that experience, right. You have to go

579
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Speaker 2: through those things and learn from it. But they're also

580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: to your previous point of the Vikings roster is built

581
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Speaker 2: to win now, Yeah, so can we can we waste

582
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Speaker 2: our time going through the trying to progress with our

583
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Speaker 2: young quarterback while also potentially losing games with our wind

584
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: now roster that we don't know how long that windows

585
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: open with the rest of the roster, and it's a.

586
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: Very old roster. It's one of the oldest league from

587
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: what I understand, And I think that is kind of

588
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: the quandary conundrum conundrum. The quandary that the coach is

589
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: in right now is that is that they do want

590
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: to play McCarthy, but they also don't want to sacrifice

591
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Speaker 1: what might be their best opportunity to hear the next

592
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: year or two to win. So and and again, I

593
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: know people gonna say, well, now you're talking on both

594
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: sides of your mouth, because if you just said you

595
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Speaker 1: thought O'Connell had the confidence in McCarthy and himself to

596
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Speaker 1: win with McCarthy at quarterback, I just it's possible that

597
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: they've kind of changed their mind on that a little bit.

598
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Speaker 1: That in other words, this might be a longer process

599
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: to get McCarthy where we needed him to be than

600
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: we thought. And I'll just tell you, I'll say it again,

601
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: the defense just didn't come through when they needed to yesterday.

602
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean, when when you allow a quarterback to get

603
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Speaker 1: a perfect quarterback rating, there's something wrong there. There's inherently

604
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: you're not getting enough a rush. The coverage isn't very good.

605
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: We saw a couple of those those those passes.

606
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Speaker 4: Guys wide open. I mean there was one where he

607
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: had ten seconds to throw.

608
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: My guess is there was probably holding on that play,

609
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: because there's holding on every play. But they don't throw

610
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: the flag, so you got to cover.

611
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: The Vikings defense looked like chairs.

612
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Speaker 1: They looked like chairs yesterday for much of the game.

613
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Speaker 1: They really did. And as supposed to be kind of

614
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Speaker 1: our or calling card. I think so. Uh you mentioned

615
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: was it chefter with what's his face?

616
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 7: Today?

617
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: On mcafe the Pat McAfee show, and what did he

618
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 4: say again? He said something to the effect of, they'll probably.

619
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Speaker 2: Play short week once he'll start, and if Wentz plays

620
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: well and they win, he'll probably give him another week

621
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: to hold off on JJ McCarthy.

622
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 4: But if he's if he plays poorly and they don't

623
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: jail right, And I think that's what most I believe

624
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: most Viking fans right now are willing to sacrifice any

625
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: chance for this season or thinking that maybe McCarthy gives

626
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: them as good a chance to win as once.

627
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: I guess you could make that argument. I don't know.

628
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: We've seen so little from JJ McCarthy, which is why

629
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: I think people want to see him. It's the backup

630
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: quarterback we have, hope, I see the same thing. I'm

631
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: gonna get really boring with you out the wild. I've

632
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: seen the same thing with the Wild fans. Right we

633
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: have all these young kids, you have your an O grin,

634
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: and people want to see these guys elevated in the

635
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: lineup like right now, because they're seeing like a Johansson

636
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: on your second line and Johansen's not a second liner

637
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: and Felino's had to play, right, They're frustrated seeing guys

638
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: like that in your top six. And I kind of

639
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: compare it to the JJ McCarthy of you are just

640
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: hoping those guys can play.

641
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: Now.

642
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: These are NHL coaches right like, they're not just withholding

643
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: playing players young players because they just feel like it.

644
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: They're trying to win too, and if they thought that

645
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: those guys on a second line would give them the

646
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: best chance to win, they would do it. They clearly

647
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: see that those guys, while they might be good eventually,

648
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: then maybe a month from now, maybe in twenty twenty six,

649
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: maybe in twenty twenty eight, those guys can play. They

650
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: are under the belief that those guys right now are

651
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: not ready for that role.

652
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Yet.

653
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: Fans just want to see correct the young guys because

654
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: they haven't.

655
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: We want to know what we got, That's it.

656
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: We want to know what we got and we at

657
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: least the unknown sometimes is you you'd rather do that

658
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: what you know you have isn't.

659
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Up to par The thing. That the reason I.

660
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Speaker 4: Think I don't have a problem continuing to play wins

661
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: because I just think you can win games if you're

662
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: I was sold on the idea and I fought back

663
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: on it with people for a long time. You remember

664
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Speaker 4: my little my little chant was it's not Donatel, maybe's

665
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: the personnel, because everybody destroyed at Donna Tel and said

666
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: his defense was terrible.

667
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Speaker 1: Do I have to bring up this stat again?

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Speaker 4: You're the Vikings lost to the Giants in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Dona Tell's team had four turnovers on final drives to

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Speaker 4: stop the other team from winning the football game. That

671
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Speaker 4: sometimes it's the personnel, you I think, what with the

672
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Speaker 4: personnel Donatel had and b Flows probably probably is a

673
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Speaker 4: better defensive coordinator than at Donnatel. But we always want

674
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Speaker 4: to believe that some coach has some magic elixir, and

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Speaker 4: I just don't think it's true because we saw what

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Speaker 4: happened yesterday that was he had a perfect quarterback rating.

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Speaker 4: That's awful. That's on the defense. That's not on Wins,

678
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Speaker 4: it's not on Addison, it's not on it's not on Hawkinson,

679
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Speaker 4: it's not on any of those guys. That's on the defense,

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Speaker 4: and it's not all on the coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Someone else sends.

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Speaker 4: I think the point everyone is missing here is none

683
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Speaker 4: of the free agents that were brought in to make

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Speaker 4: us a contender have been any good. Quazy saved money

685
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Speaker 4: on the quarterback to bring in a bunch of high

686
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Speaker 4: priced talent who has not performed well.

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Speaker 1: We're not missing that point.

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Speaker 4: We brought that point up a little bit earlier that

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Speaker 4: the guys on the inside. They on the defensive side

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Speaker 4: of the ball, we thought we don't have enough of

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Speaker 4: an interior pass rush.

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Speaker 1: We need an interior pass rush. So we let Harrison

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Speaker 1: Phillips go.

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Speaker 4: And Harrison Phillips was a it was a good run

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Speaker 4: stopping defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: We didn't want that anymore.

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Speaker 4: We wanted I don't know how much somebody else that

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Speaker 4: does the analytics and the sabermetrics, maybe they can they

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Speaker 4: can give me some numbers that will show me that

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Speaker 4: the two guys we signed in the red Redfern, Redgrave

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Speaker 4: or Robert Redford, Who's who are the two Hargrave and

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00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: the other guy Jonathan Allen, that those guys have brought

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Speaker 4: to the table what they were supposed to.

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Speaker 1: If you can show that to me, then that's great.

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Speaker 1: But I don't.

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Speaker 4: See any They sure weren't very effective yesterday. I don't

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Speaker 4: think if your quarterback is a perfect rating. Part of

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Speaker 4: that's on the secondary too. It goes hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: In the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: One of the guys has been injured, he's had the concussions.

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Speaker 4: The other guy, the Fries guy, we haven't heard his

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Speaker 4: name often. I'm thinking he's probably been okay because generally

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00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 4: you only hear an offensive lineman's name is when he's

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Speaker 4: when he's when he's off side where he's holding or

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Speaker 4: false start and he's holding. So but no, you're right

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Speaker 4: and again everybody, and I guess the general manager is

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Speaker 4: he's the final word on personnel, right. But he says

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Speaker 4: here at the end of that text message, it says,

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Speaker 4: now they've gotten so many coming, I can't find it anymore.

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Speaker 4: But talking about how the free agents that Quazy brought

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Speaker 4: in to save money haven't done the job.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think Queasy is calling.

723
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Speaker 4: O'Connell and saying, hey, guess who I signed today, and

724
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Speaker 4: Kevin goes who Joe bag of donuts, and Kevin is

725
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Speaker 4: completely out of the loop. I think the head coach

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Speaker 4: and the defensive coordinator meet with the general manager and

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Speaker 4: they go, we need help at position X, y Z,

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Speaker 4: and these are the guys.

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Speaker 2: We like wellpcific and specifically, last time Koc signed his

730
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: contract extension, the rumors after were that part of it

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Speaker 2: was he wants more say in personnel.

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Speaker 1: Correct, that's exactly right, and so.

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Speaker 2: And other than the other than the Bengals game when

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Speaker 2: za Roj had the two uh, the pick six scoop

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Speaker 2: and score. Yeah, and when we turned the ball over

736
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Speaker 2: like four or five times in that game. We've only

737
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Speaker 2: turned the ball over seven times all season, right, And

738
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Speaker 2: I feel like they've done a long time with just

739
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Speaker 2: forcing a turnover.

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Speaker 1: This one says well.

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Speaker 4: Saquon was held at forty four yards yesterday, so Jonathan

742
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Speaker 4: Allen was pretty impactful. He was brought in here to

743
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: rush the passer though too. That was the heart Raven

744
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 4: Allen were brought in here to give an interior passers

745
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Speaker 4: and it's not the first time Saquon Barkley has been

746
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Speaker 4: held to a low. Yeah, he's had He's had a very,

747
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: very mediocre season so far.

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Speaker 2: Well, I will say the one thing we could do

749
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Speaker 2: is we could you know, we're focusing on those two

750
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Speaker 2: on the interior. Dallas Turner is a virtual non factory

751
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Speaker 2: there as well. Grenard didn't do a whole lot yesterday, correct,

752
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he was kind of hurting that

753
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: last game. I don't know if something lingered over or no.

754
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Speaker 2: Last week he popped up on the injury report with

755
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: a hamstrings. I don't know if that lingered into the

756
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: game at all. But they didn't get enough push from

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Speaker 2: their entire line, and out of all of them, I

758
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: get the free agencies disappointing, but Dallas Turner, given what

759
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Speaker 2: you what you gave up in the first round to

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Speaker 2: move up and get him, He basically gave up almost

761
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Speaker 2: like an entire draft for him, and he does not

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Speaker 2: look like the guy right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I repeat, are you unaware of this? Our defense did?

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Speaker 4: He gave up some big plays, but except for three

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Speaker 4: long passes.

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Speaker 1: They thus four long passes, and those are big what

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Speaker 1: determines games, big plays.

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Speaker 2: Take Away that seventy nine yard touchdown, the forty five

769
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Speaker 2: yard touchdown catch.

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Speaker 4: We failed because of Wentz's terrible mistakes. See, everybody wants

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Speaker 4: to believe it's as simple.

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Speaker 2: You know what, though, if you take away whence his

773
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Speaker 2: terrible mistakes, the offense is pretty good in that.

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Speaker 1: Game, exactly. I mean, that's that's the logic.

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Speaker 4: That's what's so silly about this, you know, I know

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Speaker 4: it's a cliche, but what is a team? You lose

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Speaker 4: as a team, And Wentz made some really good plays

778
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Speaker 4: in that game, by the way, but he also did

779
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Speaker 4: make some excruciatingly bad ones all around.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty. I and if if for me, I blame

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Speaker 1: the defense as much as anything, But.

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Speaker 3: I think they are equally complicit. Yeah, I think they're equals.

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Speaker 2: Right when you when you get to the red zone

784
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Speaker 2: five times and don't you know, zero for five you

785
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: have to settle for field goals, but again and to

786
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Speaker 2: pick six the other way that led to points, yes,

787
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Speaker 2: and again.

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Speaker 4: But the National Football League loves this, and I think

789
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Speaker 4: we all do so. One one score game, I mean

790
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Speaker 4: it was there to be It was there to be taken.

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Speaker 1: That that was, And to.

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Speaker 2: Your point, when we needed stops in the second half,

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Speaker 2: the defense.

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Speaker 3: Didn't come up. This correct it because because that game

795
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Speaker 3: was ready to be taken.

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Speaker 4: And if if Hawkinson doesn't bother that was. That was

797
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Speaker 4: a wonderful effort by Hawkins and I'm not blaming him

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Speaker 4: for that.

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Speaker 1: That was it. That was an incredibly tough catch that

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Speaker 1: was ruled. Is not a catch that.

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Speaker 4: Even got is that he even got it that it

802
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Speaker 4: was called a touchdown and got it to a review.

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Speaker 4: Was was was a what was? It was an incredible accomplishment.

804
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 4: Was a hell of a play. But if that play

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Speaker 4: holds up, we might be talking about a Viking victory, but.

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Speaker 2: You still be on a score in or defense would

807
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: have had made a stop and they didn't make a

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Speaker 2: stop at the end when they needed to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's That's the other point of it too. Here's

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Speaker 1: look at this.

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Speaker 4: The offensive is a success rate uh of the Eagles, Yes,

812
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Speaker 4: or was a negative fourteen percent, the worst of any

813
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Speaker 4: winning team on so and they still think the defense

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Speaker 4: was bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think on when they when they

816
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Speaker 1: needed to make the plays they did.

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Speaker 2: The defense was just like Carson Wentz. Carson Wentz had

818
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Speaker 2: some awful moments and he had some good moments. The

819
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Speaker 2: defense had some awful moments and they also had some right.

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Speaker 2: They had a couple series in a row where it

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Speaker 2: was three and out for Philadelphia and they were giving

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Speaker 2: the offense the chance at that point.

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Speaker 4: That is correct when you when you give a quarterback

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Speaker 4: a perfect quarterback rating.

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Speaker 1: The defense wasn't that.

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Speaker 4: I don't care what the numbers say from the you know,

827
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Speaker 4: fourteen success rate. When the quarterback has a perfect game,

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Speaker 4: he basically pitched a perfect game. It's hard to it's

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Speaker 4: hard to praise the defense too much.

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Speaker 1: I thought the defense let the Vikings down yesterday as

831
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Speaker 1: much as one spin.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it'll be a talk for Tuesday tomorrow. We'll pick

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Speaker 4: up the tomorrow better way. Timmy, thanks for having me

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Speaker 4: you as well. We enjoyed visiting with you today. Twelve noon,

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Speaker 4: it's the PJ Flex Show.

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Speaker 1: We'll be here at one head coach of the Vikings

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Speaker 1: do his day after the game news conference two days

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Speaker 1: after the game. That'll be at one fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow, Mark Rosen, and to enjoy the rest of your day.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk to you tomorrow at one big ticket jj

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Speaker 4: R next year on the Firm.

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